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Title: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 19, 2011, 06:05:40 PM
If you havent seen it yet, check out this tweet from Tom Oates of the Wisconsin State Journal:

"It seems original thinkers at #Marquette Community College have stolen Jump Around from #Badgers. Just another example of UW envy"

http://twitter.com/#!/TomOatesWSJ


I honestly dont care about the Jump Around part.

Who the f*ck is he to refer to MU as "Marquette Community College." I'd like to know where this asshat went to school. (If anyone can find it...+1)

Here is his email address, do your worst:  toates@madison.com
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Blackhat on January 19, 2011, 06:09:37 PM
UW @ Me take all transfers.


See, not hard to come up with some cheesy dig.   He's a sports guy in madison, i'd rip MU too, easy way to get fandom from madison blowhards.

Not too creative.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
Send the WSJ a note

wsjsports@madison.com

Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Boone on January 19, 2011, 06:42:12 PM
Would that be his editor's email address? He/she might like to know the professional journalistic standards Oates is practicing.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: wesmat23 on January 19, 2011, 06:58:52 PM
i cant believe someone in his position would say something so stupid. who the fuk does he think he is?? who cares what colleges play jump around? its not exclusive to madison! evertime i hear the song i think about that smith dude jumpin'. i crack a smile everytime. why would he even bring that up? ?-( ?-( ?-(
I will never buy or read the WSJ again.  (i never did anyway!)
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
And Oates wondered why Wes shunned him?  

http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/tom_oates/article_69b4dc68-91f7-11df-8e54-001cc4c03286.html
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: tower912 on January 19, 2011, 07:09:58 PM
Scout board is reporting he tweeted again in response to MU fans.    Character revealed.   
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 19, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
"Facts R facts, #Marquette fans. 4 of 5 starters R jucos. Rip me all you want, but the truth is out there on floor every game. #MCC"

Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: PaintTouches on January 19, 2011, 07:17:16 PM

"Facts R facts, #Marquette fans. 4 of 5 starters R jucos. Rip me all you want, but the truth is out there on floor every game. #MCC"

Wow, sounds like he has some issues.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: wesmat23 on January 19, 2011, 07:22:59 PM
And Oates wondered why Wes shunned him?  

http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/tom_oates/article_69b4dc68-91f7-11df-8e54-001cc4c03286.html
Oates says in this article there is no bias. obviously B.S. and Wesley is smart enough to know that. I think its awesome that Wes wont give in and give that shi$$y paper a interview now reading what Oates is all about.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 19, 2011, 07:26:55 PM
The only reason music in motion still plays "jump around" is for Rick Smith, aka the jump around guy.

I hate many Wisconsin fans who think this song is their own. They were crying that the Rose Bowl wouldn't play it.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 19, 2011, 07:30:45 PM
I honestly did not know that they played jump around at UW games the entire time I was at Marquette. 

I am starting to understand more and more how much UW fans think that the Badgers are at the center of the sports and academic universe though not a single person from another school would concur.

His tweets are not doing UW-Madison any favors.  Maybe we are better off at our community college.  Big time lack of professionalism.  I can't believe he gets paid to do what any of us on this message board could do 100 times better.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: MUBurrow on January 19, 2011, 07:31:47 PM
it is their song and it is stupid we play it.

but to include with that small observation a dig about MU as a community college and implicitly rip on our JUCO guys who have had to work their way up? what a frackhead
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on January 19, 2011, 07:36:39 PM
Is there a reason this old guy has not risen through the ranks of journalism and is still "writing" for the same small time newspaper for 30 years?  I don't know, just asking.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: wesmat23 on January 19, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
Just for the hell of it I looked at a couple twitter accounts to see how many followers he has versus a couple others.

VANDER BLUE= over 1,700 followers
DJO=1,852
JEN LADA(MU GRAD)=3,210     I hope she notices what he said and what a d-bag this wanna be sports reporter is and has some harsh words for him.
tom oates=614 so basically nobody pays any attention to what he has to say.LOL
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 19, 2011, 08:03:33 PM
"Facts R facts, #Marquette fans. 4 of 5 starters R jucos. Rip me all you want, but the truth is out there on floor every game. #MCC"

Wow, sounds like he has some issues.


What is "the truth is out there on the floor" supposed to mean, anyway?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: beercanindasky on January 19, 2011, 08:16:15 PM
Truth is out there that 5 out of 5 on the floor are directly from high schools...for the UW.  So to use his logic MU is to JUCO as UW is to High School.  So that must mean that the UW is similar to getting a high school education.  Right?  Or am I missing something?

Oh yeah...didn't someone from UW-High School write "Jump Around?"  I think so.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2011, 08:22:45 PM

What is "the truth is out there on the floor" supposed to mean, anyway?

MU doesn't have "traditional" players on the floor
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: wesmat23 on January 19, 2011, 08:41:08 PM
I sent a email to wsjsports@madison.com and let them know how unprofessional this guy is. I also let Tom know that Buzz has said many times that he is a JUCO guy. That its where he (Buzz) is from. Nothing at all to be ashamed of. These kids deserve a good education too! Tom writes sports columns and has no idea how sports work!  college or pro.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 19, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
I sent a email to wsjsports@madison.com and let them know how unprofessional this guy is. I also let Tom know that Buzz has said many times that he is a JUCO guy. That its where he (Buzz) is from. Nothing at all to be ashamed of. These kids deserve a good education too! Tom writes sports columns and has no idea how sports work!  college or pro.


FYI, you should also cool it with contacting our recruits on twitter.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 19, 2011, 08:52:18 PM

FYI, you should also cool it with contacting our recruits on twitter.

+1

Read my sig.

Contacting players is okay but not recruits.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: mikem91288 on January 19, 2011, 08:53:22 PM
Never liked this D-Bag. Anyone have Wes's email? Send him this garbage.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 19, 2011, 08:59:07 PM
"Over the last six months, State Journal sports staffers have received numerous - and very legitimate - inquiries about why we haven't done a story on Matthews. Most of those included some reference to an anti-Marquette bias at the newspaper, a bias that simply doesn't exist."

Sure, #MCC.

"No, the reason we haven't written a story on Matthews is because he has declined to participate. Reporters tried to contact Matthews before, during and after the playoffs but got no response from him.
Why that is, only Matthews knows. Perhaps he has simply outgrown his hometown. Maybe his nose is out of joint because UW didn't recruit him harder or the local media didn't follow his career at Marquette closely enough or because UW fans routinely bashed him on Internet message boards, especially after he seemed to play a role in the Vander Blue saga last year."

No. He loves his hometown.
That's why he did THIS (http://host.madison.com/sports/college/basketball/men/article_037e0cb4-aeb0-11df-9847-001cc4c002e0.html).
Oh, but he STILL didn't talk to you...but it WAS covered in Madison.

"Whatever the reason, Matthews' decision to distance himself from Madison is unfortunate because he is already the best NBA player ever to come out of the city and he has a chance to reclaim his hero status in the place where he got his start."

See above. He's humble and hungry. He doesn't need to be a hero in Madison.

"At this point, it's his call to make."

And I don't think you'll ever hear from him.
Go find someone else who will talk to you.
Maybe Vander?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Skitch on January 19, 2011, 09:14:06 PM
I sent a email to wsjsports@madison.com and let them know how unprofessional this guy is. I also let Tom know that Buzz has said many times that he is a JUCO guy. That its where he (Buzz) is from. Nothing at all to be ashamed of. These kids deserve a good education too! Tom writes sports columns and has no idea how sports work!  college or pro.

Sending a tweet saying you want to "knock his teeth in" doesn't exactly give you the moral high ground either.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: GGGG on January 19, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
Any staff with any talent are leaving (or have left) the Wisconsin State Journal.  It has become a sad, joke of a newspaper.  The fact that Oates is still there says more about his status as a journalist than anything else.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: GGGG on January 19, 2011, 09:26:03 PM
I just sent the following email:

"Mr. Oates:

I have to say that I find your comments about Marquette and its use of junior college players to be somewhat immature.

Yes I do realize that there is a "stigma" that comes with JUCOs, but do you realize that academic non-qualifiers that go the JUCO route must earn associates degrees before they can play at a four year school?  That means that players like Dwight Buycks and Jae Crowder have actually earned something in the classroom before coming to the Marquette campus.

Furthermore, do you know how many non-athletes transfer from MATC, UW-Rock County and other JUCOs around the state to UW-Madison annually?  I think its kind of sad that you feel that their qualifications are something to be mocked instead of something to be admired.  I mean, UW has articulation agreements with MATC and many of the UW Colleges to make such transfers easier.  Why is this such a problem for you?

Honestly, you come off as an uninformed elitist when you make such comments on your twitter account."
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: ecompt on January 19, 2011, 09:35:01 PM
Anyone who does not know that there is a difference between junior colleges and community colleges is a complete and utter tool.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: GGGG on January 19, 2011, 09:41:04 PM
Actually ecompt, they are the same thing.  Community colleges and junior colleges are just different phrases to describe two year schools.
Title: Mr Oates replies
Post by: warthog-driver on January 19, 2011, 09:41:54 PM

Bottom line is Oates could give a rat's arse

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

yes, send it
 

> From: TOates@madison.com
> To: warthog-driver@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:20:06 -0600
> Subject: Re: Jump Around
>
> Do you need his address?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 6:15 PM, <warthog-driver@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is the point of referring to Marquette University as a Community College? I am sending a letter to your editor about this matter. You have compromised your journalistic integrity. You are unworthy of the title journalist.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: warriors1965 on January 19, 2011, 09:50:14 PM
I'll probably get ripped for this, but that's OK.

I root for UW football and hate UW basketball.  I also have season tickets for football and Jump Around is always a highlight.  But when MU plays it and shows that goof on the scoreboard, the whole thing seems ridiculous, forced and lame.  It does look like a copycat move and MU should just drop it and find a different song to make a tradition of their own.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
Writers like this guy clearly make comments like this for no reason other than to get a rise out of people and to bring attention onto himself. Congrats to those of you who have helped him succeed in his mission.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: MUCam on January 19, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
To whom it may concern:



I was recently alerted to a "tweet" by one of your journalists in which he referenced the Marquette program and the "jump around" theme that is used at Marquette games. I will not even address the actual substantive complaint, other than to suggest that Mr. Oates review cheerleading history the next time he sees Badgers cheerleaders on the sidelines. My limited knowledge of the subject is that the "cheerleader" idea stems from a certain Big 10 university down I-94 in a state that shares a border with with the State of Wisconsin. Shame on Wisconsin for following suit and adopting idea, huh? But, I digress...



The true purpose of my email is to share with the editorial and managerial staff at the Wisconsin State Journal my complete and utter disappointment with Mr. Oates increasingly antogonistic antics when it comes to Marquette University. I cannot fathom how any professional outfit, such as the Wisconsin State Journal purports to be, would tolerate such shallow, biased and short-minded comments from one of its staff members. In a day and age where local newspapers are struggling to make ends meet, I would think that this type of classless, complete lack of professionalism would be deemed unacceptable. It calls into question the very integrity of the Wisconsin State Journal and its journalists.



The facts may be the facts as Mr. Oates recently stated in a response "tweet." But, in journalism, we do not manipulate the facts for our own personal digs and agendas. In journalism, we do not wield our pen (or keyboard, as may be the case) in attempt to push our viewpoints on others. In journalism, we report the news in an unbiased manner. Sadly, Mr. Oates has proven again that he is incapable of so doing. In other words, Mr. Oates has proven again why, as a journalist, he is a complete and utter failure.



Mr. Oates has violated so many of the tenents that once made the journalist profession proud. He exemplifies so many of the negative traits that characterize the currently embattled journalist profession. With journalism like his, it is no wonder that the public is increasingly frustrated and fed up with the media. Mr. Oates reporting cannot be trusted. His presentation of the facts must be viewed with suspicion. His bias is clearly intwined in his every word. In essence, he has stopped being a journalist and has, instead, simply transformed himself into another loud mouth with an opinion.



In an article dated July 15, 2010, entitled "Money Talks, Matthews Doesn't," Mr. Oates made the following statement: "Over the last six months, State Journal sports staffers have received numerous - and very legitimate - inquiries about why we haven't done a story on Matthews. Most of those included some reference to an anti-Marquette bias at the newspaper, a bias that simply doesn't exist." Perhaps, after this latest childish display, Mr. Oates might have a greater appreciation for why some feel an anti-Marquette bias does in fact exist at the newspaper.



I am not a manager at a newspaper, nor am I a journalist. That said, I am a paying customer for many local and national newspapers. I can assure you of the following: I would immediately cancel my subscription if I saw this complete lack of professionalism in my local paper.



If the sort of filth that Mr. Oates dresses up as so-called journalism is the Wisconsin State Journal's idea of journalistic integrity, then the WSJ's worth as a legitimate news source is completely undermined. I implore you to review Mr. Oates recent comments and to address them with him.

Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: MUCam on January 19, 2011, 09:57:29 PM
Writers like this guy clearly make comments like this for no reason other than to get a rise out of people and to bring attention onto himself. Congrats to those of you who have helped him succeed in his mission.


Eh....perhaps. But one thing is for sure, he didn't succeed in gaining respect or even notoriety in my book. I won't read the WSJ or his tweets, other than as they appear on this board. So what has he really succeeded in?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Hamostradamus on January 19, 2011, 09:58:56 PM
I can only assume Oates is proud of the fact the Badger football team has a 54% grad rate for African American football players, must be proof of how hard it is academically. If UW was more like the MU Community College, those kids would probably end up with a degree instead of arthritis. I'm sure he's running down a story right now on the stellar attendance rate for Badger football players at their most popular class, Clap for a Credit.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Eye on January 19, 2011, 10:03:47 PM
Any staff with any talent are leaving (or have left) the Wisconsin State Journal.

Best statement of this entire thread. Very, very true.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: ecompt on January 19, 2011, 10:21:36 PM
Sultan, I believe junior colleges and community colleges used to be one and the same. Over the past two decades, though, most junior colleges have become private. Virtually all community colleges, on the other hand, are taxpayer-funded and have open admissions. It may be a small point, but there is more a stigma to CC than JC. I might be wrong. In any case, Oates is a jerk.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Wareagle on January 19, 2011, 10:29:20 PM
Oates is one of Bo's lapdogs, plain and simple.  The Wisconsin State Journal's sports section might as well redirect to uwbadgers.com
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: MUfan12 on January 19, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
You know, by my count there are four JUCO guys from MU on twitter.

Maybe we should let them know about Mr. Oates' remarks. Because we all know he won't have the balls to say that to them.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Ron Paul on January 19, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
Can anyone let us know where Tom Oates went to school? 

The good (100 percent graduation rates): BYU, Marquette, Notre Dame, Utah State, Wake Forest, Wofford (average tournament seed: 8.8)

Just sayin'
Title: Good writing and good jokes are supposed to make sense
Post by: MU Avenue on January 20, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
I know nothing about Tom Oates or his work. Were I his editor, however, I would explain to Oates the glaring difference between good, smart commentary and amateurish, sophomoric, childish writing, such as a Twitter post that refers to Marquette University as “Marquette Community College.”

Some sportswriters are solid reporters and credible newspeople who think deeply, write well and take the debate to higher levels. Others are men or women who have never gotten past their infantile intrigue with sports and, thus, want to be around athletics and athletes well after the rest of us have grown up and found additional interests.

Some of the brighter people I know are sportswriters. So, too, are some of the biggest morons I have met.

Knowing nothing about Oates or his work, I am left to assume he plays the role of hardcore homer for the University of Wisconsin at Madison. That is fine if it is acceptable to those who publish the Wisconsin State Journal. They pay Oates’ salary and they buy the ink and the newsprint.

My biggest problem with Oates’ line about “Marquette Community College” is that it makes no sense. He refers to Marquette in those terms for what reason? Other than being some sort of childish jab, the comment means what? Oates’ dig at Marquette is the punch line to what joke?

I suspect that Oates giggled like a little boy when describing Marquette University as “Marquette Community College.” I wonder, however, if anyone else could honestly claim to understand the joke.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: LON on January 20, 2011, 07:49:50 AM
"When you say Wisconsin, you've said it all"

They stole that from Georgia Tech...the outrage!!!!
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2011, 08:20:43 AM
So wait ... is this guy somehow claiming that the concept of jumping around during the song "Jump Around" was invented by the fine folk in Madison? Huh? Did they also invent twisting and shaking during "Twist and Shake?" It seems following the lyrical directions of a popular music song is hardly the most inventive act out there, but if that's the best they got, so be it. Of course, these are the same people who brought us "The Grateful Red," so there you have it.

Regardless, the reaction/notoriety he's getting from this is exactly the kind of attention small-town hacks like this crave.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: LON on January 20, 2011, 08:26:05 AM
I'm ashamed this hack went to the same high school as me.  MU is/was promoted very well at Xavier
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 20, 2011, 08:31:26 AM
Wow.  Just read this thread.  Gotta say .. I find the umbrage embarrassing.

The thought that he's a sports journalist/columnist so his tweets must be unbiased or professional is goofy.   It's Twitter, for god's sake.

While "Marquette Community College" is certainly pejorative, I honestly find it a legit taunt aimed at a team that currently owes its success to JUCOs where his team (UW) does not.   Oh my god, he's biased just like 3 million other Badger fans .. the horror.

Writing to his editor makes you look like .. total whiners.  
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 20, 2011, 09:09:42 AM
Quote
I root for UW football and hate UW basketball.  I also have season tickets for football and Jump Around is always a highlight.  But when MU plays it and shows that goof on the scoreboard, the whole thing seems ridiculous, forced and lame.  It does look like a copycat move and MU should just drop it and find a different song to make a tradition of their own.

Is this true for every other sporting event that plays jump around?

Did the People's republic patent this song for their own private use?

The fact that they cling to that and the budweiser song like they invented it is just hilarious to me.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 20, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
If my buddy at work made a crack at MU's expense would he get a 2 page thread?  He's got more twitter followers, and is therefore more relevant, than this guy that works for a publication I've never heard of.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 20, 2011, 09:27:38 AM
Wow.  Just read this thread.  Gotta say .. I find the umbrage embarrassing.

The thought that he's a sports journalist/columnist so his tweets must be unbiased or professional is goofy.   It's Twitter, for god's sake.

While "Marquette Community College" is certainly pejorative, I honestly find it a legit taunt aimed at a team that currently owes its success to JUCOs where his team (UW) does not.   Oh my god, he's biased just like 3 million other Badger fans .. the horror.

Writing to his editor makes you look like .. total whiners.  
+1

Well said.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Rubie Q on January 20, 2011, 09:54:24 AM
Wow.  Just read this thread.  Gotta say .. I find the umbrage embarrassing.

The thought that he's a sports journalist/columnist so his tweets must be unbiased or professional is goofy.   It's Twitter, for god's sake.


I don't think this is the source of discord.  If it was a journalist OTHER THAN one who had publicly whined that a former Marquette player wouldn't talk to him and insisted that his newspaper didn't have an "anti-Marquette bias," there wouldn't have been the same reaction.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 20, 2011, 10:26:49 AM
Can some one please tell me of a sports talk radio station in Milwaukee that is "pro-Marquette." I have started to listening to different stations at work and they all seem to hate on Marquette basketball. after reading this thread it appears this is a similar trend in the media.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 20, 2011, 10:33:53 AM
God...who cares about any of this? You are actually writing letters to the guy and complaining to his editor? He's a buffoon. Just ignore him. Are you guys the same ones who complained about the JS running a poll about Marquette fans being whiners? Some of you ARE whiners...STOP IT!
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on January 20, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
Wow.  Just read this thread.  Gotta say .. I find the umbrage embarrassing.

The thought that he's a sports journalist/columnist so his tweets must be unbiased or professional is goofy.   It's Twitter, for god's sake.

While "Marquette Community College" is certainly pejorative, I honestly find it a legit taunt aimed at a team that currently owes its success to JUCOs where his team (UW) does not.   Oh my god, he's biased just like 3 million other Badger fans .. the horror.

Writing to his editor makes you look like .. total whiners.  

I agree-it also smacks of our Marquette fan inferiority complex...
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 20, 2011, 11:51:52 AM
I think he's racist

Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on January 20, 2011, 12:05:26 PM
I'm ashamed this hack went to the same high school as me.  MU is/was promoted very well at Xavier

Oh God -- he went to Xavier HS? In Appleton? No wonder he's a complete ass.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 20, 2011, 12:18:02 PM
I'll probably get ripped for this, but that's OK.

I root for UW football and hate UW basketball.  I also have season tickets for football and Jump Around is always a highlight.  But when MU plays it and shows that goof on the scoreboard, the whole thing seems ridiculous, forced and lame.  It does look like a copycat move and MU should just drop it and find a different song to make a tradition of their own.
Ya, I'm going to rip you but for something else.

The goof on the scoreboard as you put it, is as I said before, Rick Smith. His family are big donors to Marquette. The tradition of the song at Marquette is seeing Rick Smith jumping around.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 20, 2011, 12:19:54 PM
"When you say Wisconsin, you've said it all"

They stole that from Georgia Tech...the outrage!!!!
You must of been at the ncaa toury in Milwaukee in 1992 or 2010.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: warthog-driver on January 20, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
Ya, I'm going to rip you but for something else.

The goof on the scoreboard as you put it, is as I said before, Rick Smith. His family are big donors to Marquette. The tradition of the song at Marquette is seeing Rick Smith jumping around.

The image of Rick Smith jumping to that song adds nothing positive. It is at best neutral, though I would say most people are somewhat embarrassed for him.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Hamostradamus on January 20, 2011, 12:41:43 PM
The image of Rick Smith jumping to that song adds nothing positive. It is at best neutral, though I would say most people are somewhat embarrassed for him.
Are you kidding? He has 2,109 Facebook followers. The players jump around like him with fake mustaches on the video screen, students dress up like him and the entire place goes nuts when they show him. I think it's safe to say it is slightly better than neutral. 
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: warthog-driver on January 20, 2011, 12:44:58 PM
Are you kidding? He has 2,109 Facebook followers. The players jump around like him with fake mustaches on the video screen, students dress up like him and the entire place goes nuts when they show him. I think it's safe to say it is slightly better than neutral. 

The Spanish O'Donnell's also have their followers. Doesn't make them any less lame.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: LON on January 20, 2011, 12:48:53 PM
Oh God -- he went to Xavier HS? In Appleton? No wonder he's a complete ass.

Hey now.  We're not all like this tool.  And Xavier is one of the top 50 private high schools in the nation.

What HS did you go to, so at least I have my chance to paint it with a broad brush.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: reinko on January 20, 2011, 01:20:34 PM
Only tools know and brag about their HS rankings.

/Class of 1998 MUHS, ranked 96 is scholastic rankings.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: brewcity77 on January 20, 2011, 01:41:05 PM
How many colleges don't play Jump Around these days? I've heard it in the background of at least 4-5 televised games this year, including two Marquette games. Music is popular culture. When I was sitting by the DePaul cheerleaders the other night, they broke into a cheer routine for about half the songs that were played. Which likely means that MU and DePaul have very similar songs being played. And probably just about every other university in the country. What's next, we can't play "All I Do is Win"? The band can't play "Impression That I Get"? Just because one other university plays it doesn't give them any rights to the song unless they purchased them exclusively. Pretty sure that hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 20, 2011, 03:41:40 PM
The image of Rick Smith jumping to that song adds nothing positive. It is at best neutral, though I would say most people are somewhat embarrassed for him.
People love it! I don't think they are embarrassed for him.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: warthog-driver on January 20, 2011, 03:51:28 PM
People love it! I don't think they are embarrassed for him.

I don't know the guy but I remember a few years ago watching MU on ESPN from Al Asad Air Base. The camera focuses on "The Jumper" and a room full of fighter pilots thought it was lame and let me, the only MU alum in the room, know about it. Just giving you some perspective on how at least one part of the outside world sees us. 
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 20, 2011, 03:58:04 PM
I don't know the guy but I remember a few years ago watching MU on ESPN from Al Asad Air Base. The camera focuses on "The Jumper" and a room full of fighter pilots thought it was lame and let me, the only MU alum in the room, know about it. Just giving you some perspective on how at least one part of the outside world sees us. 

It was funny once. Having it shown nearly every game as a "tradition" is beyond lame. First of all, it makes the guy look like a complete fruit cake. Second of all, it MU look like its fanbase is a bunch of people stuck in the 1970s (as some people actually claim).
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Fullodds on January 20, 2011, 04:03:08 PM
I have an older gentlemen near my section who is trying to take over and be the new 'jump around' guy.  He wears a bow-tie and jumps and claps like a madman while watching the monitors waiting for the applause and camera time.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Henry Sugar on January 20, 2011, 04:10:30 PM
I kind of feel bad for Smith.  Could he not jump around even if he wanted?  Every time the song comes on, I think, "Dance, Monkey.  DANCE!"
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Aughnanure on January 20, 2011, 04:17:15 PM
I don't know the guy but I remember a few years ago watching MU on ESPN from Al Asad Air Base. The camera focuses on "The Jumper" and a room full of fighter pilots thought it was lame and let me, the only MU alum in the room, know about it. Just giving you some perspective on how at least one part of the outside world sees us. 

I'm more embarrassed whenever they show the band.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 20, 2011, 04:25:50 PM
Mr. Oates responded to me with an email. 
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: brewcity77 on January 20, 2011, 04:27:35 PM
I kind of feel bad for Smith.  Could he not jump around even if he wanted?  Every time the song comes on, I think, "Dance, Monkey.  DANCE!"

A week or two back, they were playing Jump Around and Rick did his thing. About halfway through, they went to shots of the student section, little kids, the usual fare. Rick sat down, then they put the camera back on him. He dutifully got up and resumed jumping, but something tells me that he's probably also thinking it's about ran its course.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 20, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Mr. Oates responded to me with an email. 

And...
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Blackhat on January 20, 2011, 04:36:15 PM
Are we still talking about what Tom f*cking Oates says about Marquette.  


Breaking News:  Rival schools and their lap dog writers (aka Tom Oates aka Norm from cheers) will write mean things about your school from time to time.

So Norm wrote a little jab in his rag, good for him, he suckered you in.

Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: VanderBabyBlue on January 20, 2011, 05:56:26 PM
LOL @ people getting bent out of shape about this.  We have a bunch of JUCO's on the roster!  And I couldn't care less about their academics as long as they show up and play.  THAT'S the area of concern lately.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: rugbydrummer on January 20, 2011, 08:12:07 PM
I'm more embarrassed whenever they show the band.

Oh. No. You. Didn't.

I'm embarrassed you consider yourself a fan.  That's what's embarrassing.  Did you get rejected by a bando once?

Also--hey Neanderthals, checkout the back of the pocket/wallet schedule and THEN tell me R. A. Smith is lame.  He can jump around in his underpants for all I care, the guy is a stud and class act and clearly has a passion for MU bball, something I hope all of you share (or is that too radical to suggest?).  Those of you who are over 50 please consult your local GI, you're overdue for an intimate evening with your porcelain friend evacuating a jug of Golytely.  Those of you under 50, for God's sake if you can't say anything nice, then don't!  You don't have to like it, but you also don't have to tear it down. 

As for this dude from Mad-town, Who Cares?  I remember Jump Around best/originally from Mrs. Doubtfire fame, go figure.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: brewcity77 on January 20, 2011, 08:21:12 PM
Mr. Oates responded to me with an email.

Come on, Chicos, don't tease us like that! Share ;D
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: bobnoxious on January 20, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
Mr Smith can jump around in line getting a beer if he really wants.  Does he still fly the Warrior flag outside of his office at half mast after a loss?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: bobnoxious on January 20, 2011, 09:44:15 PM
Mr Smith can jump around in line getting a beer if he really wants.  Does he still fly the Warrior flag outside of his office at half mast after a loss?

edit: half staff
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Aughnanure on January 20, 2011, 09:49:22 PM
Oh. No. You. Didn't.

I'm embarrassed you consider yourself a fan.  That's what's embarrassing.  Did you get rejected by a bando once?

Also--hey Neanderthals, checkout the back of the pocket/wallet schedule and THEN tell me R. A. Smith is lame.  He can jump around in his underpants for all I care, the guy is a stud and class act and clearly has a passion for MU bball, something I hope all of you share (or is that too radical to suggest?).  Those of you who are over 50 please consult your local GI, you're overdue for an intimate evening with your porcelain friend evacuating a jug of Golytely.  Those of you under 50, for God's sake if you can't say anything nice, then don't!  You don't have to like it, but you also don't have to tear it down. 

As for this dude from Mad-town, Who Cares?  I remember Jump Around best/originally from Mrs. Doubtfire fame, go figure.

Woot! Go Pride! Haha, you're adorable.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 20, 2011, 09:57:23 PM
Come on, Chicos, don't tease us like that! Share ;D

He basically said that Wesley never refused to talk to him, it was OTHER reporters in Madison.  He also said MU fans need to get over themselves.  That was about it.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: mu-rara on January 21, 2011, 08:48:33 AM
Rick Smith rocks.  He is probably ready to let it go, but how?  He gets the students wound up...even many alumni get going....

Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 21, 2011, 08:51:22 AM
Rick Smith x 1000 cooler than the lame ass Spanish O'Donnell's...


The Spanish O'Donnell's also have their followers. Doesn't make them any less lame.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: warthog-driver on January 21, 2011, 01:03:20 PM
Oh. No. You. Didn't.I'm embarrassed you consider yourself a fan.  That's what's embarrassing.  Did you get rejected by a bando once? Also--hey Neanderthals, checkout the back of the pocket/wallet schedule and THEN tell me R. A. Smith is lame.  He can jump around in his underpants for all I care, the guy is a stud and class act and clearly has a passion for MU bball, something I hope all of you share (or is that too radical to suggest?).  Those of you who are over 50 please consult your local GI, you're overdue for an intimate evening with your porcelain friend evacuating a jug of Golytely.  Those of you under 50, for God's sake if you can't say anything nice, then don't!  You don't have to like it, but you also don't have to tear it down. As for this dude from Mad-town, Who Cares?  I remember Jump Around best/originally from Mrs. Doubtfire fame, go figure.

Wow. Hell hath no fury like a Band Geek scorned! I gotta think Carillon Bill Geishecker is up there smilin'...one of his Band Boys finally sproutin' a pair
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 21, 2011, 01:13:08 PM
Wow. Hell hath no fury like a Band Geek scorned! I gotta think Carillon Bill Geishecker is up there smilin'...one of his Band Boys finally sproutin' a pair

Oh, this should be good...
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 21, 2011, 01:43:01 PM
Popcorn in hand, drinking a big gulp......
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Muhoops85 on January 21, 2011, 02:21:00 PM
Wow. Hell hath no fury like a Band Geek scorned! I gotta think Carillon Bill Geishecker is up there smilin'...one of his Band Boys finally sproutin' a pair

I believe rugbydrummer is of the female persuasion.   ;D
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: GGGG on January 21, 2011, 02:37:27 PM
I'm more embarrassed whenever they show the band.


The band isn't bad...except they got to get rid of the 80s era rugby shirts.  I mean...come on...

(Of course when I was there in the 80s, they still wore sweaters and beret-like-hats.)
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 21, 2011, 02:40:11 PM

The band isn't bad...except they got to get rid of the 80s era rugby shirts.  I mean...come on...

(Of course when I was there in the 80s, they still wore sweaters and beret-like-hats.)

Would McIlvaine then have to get a new shirt as well?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: warthog-driver on January 21, 2011, 02:56:29 PM
I believe rugbydrummer is of the female persuasion.   ;D

That clicking sound of brass on brass isn't her cymbals you say?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Aughnanure on January 21, 2011, 03:35:40 PM

The band isn't bad...except they got to get rid of the 80s era rugby shirts.  I mean...come on...

(Of course when I was there in the 80s, they still wore sweaters and beret-like-hats.)

Catholic University student sections are always cringe-worthy in general (Notre Dame, Nova, GTown), but the bands are by the far the worst offenders.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Sheriff on January 21, 2011, 05:49:38 PM
So wait ... is this guy somehow claiming that the concept of jumping around during the song "Jump Around" was invented by the fine folk in Madison? Huh? Did they also invent twisting and shaking during "Twist and Shake?" It seems following the lyrical directions of a popular music song is hardly the most inventive act out there, but if that's the best they got, so be it. Of course, these are the same people who brought us "The Grateful Red," so there you have it.

Regardless, the reaction/notoriety he's getting from this is exactly the kind of attention small-town hacks like this crave.

Do they play Zombie Nation during times out at the Kohl Center?  If they do like, every other sports arena with a PA system, I guess that means Bucky ripped off an MU original that started at the BC in 2002.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Coleman on January 22, 2011, 12:27:17 PM
Oh. No. You. Didn't.

I'm embarrassed you consider yourself a fan.  That's what's embarrassing.  Did you get rejected by a bando once?

Also--hey Neanderthals, checkout the back of the pocket/wallet schedule and THEN tell me R. A. Smith is lame.  He can jump around in his underpants for all I care, the guy is a stud and class act and clearly has a passion for MU bball, something I hope all of you share (or is that too radical to suggest?).  Those of you who are over 50 please consult your local GI, you're overdue for an intimate evening with your porcelain friend evacuating a jug of Golytely.  Those of you under 50, for God's sake if you can't say anything nice, then don't!  You don't have to like it, but you also don't have to tear it down. 

As for this dude from Mad-town, Who Cares?  I remember Jump Around best/originally from Mrs. Doubtfire fame, go figure.

Am I the only one who didnt understand where you were going with this rambling?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: warthog-driver on January 22, 2011, 12:45:47 PM
Am I the only one who didnt understand where you were going with this rambling?

I think she said:

A. She is essentially ashamed to know anyone from this board since the primordial types here do not respect "The Jumper"

B. Band Members would be loath to date anyone from Scoop and their rejection has triggered aberrant behavior witnessed here

C. "The Jumper" has a more profound passion for MU Basketball than anyone on Scoop

D. Those over 50 are full of Sh1t and in need of a thorough colon cleansing

E. Those under 50 need to shut the f up
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Warriors10 on January 22, 2011, 12:53:46 PM
Mr. Oates responded to me with an email. 
He call you a community college punk?
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: ultimate on January 24, 2011, 01:51:46 PM
UW should sue the Bears...I can't believe they would dare play the song that UW has exclusive rights to.

GO PACK GO!
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: OnWisconsin on January 24, 2011, 08:16:44 PM
Well Badger fans might find some of that stuff to be funny. It's extremely unprofessional for a sportswriter of a larger newspaper to be posting stuff like that.
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Mayor McCheese on January 24, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
"Facts R facts, #Marquette fans. 4 of 5 starters R jucos. Rip me all you want, but the truth is out there on floor every game. #MCC"



By this logic, one could state that UW-Madison is run by racists
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: Buzzed on January 25, 2011, 01:35:38 PM
To shine a little light on why the student section loves the "jump around guy" is due to the fact he looks like Ron Burgundy in Anchorman.  I was at the first game he started jumping and everyone immediately started quoting lines from Anchorman.

As for Jump Around song, IMO, it is a Madison thing, but it is now an arena staple that you will hear even at Wave games.

Just my two cents from a young alumnus.   
Title: Re: Tom Oates - Wisconsin State Journal
Post by: brewcity77 on January 25, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
UW should sue the Bears...I can't believe they would dare play the song that UW has exclusive rights to.

GO PACK GO!

And Notre Dame too, I heard it in the background on Saturday. The cheek of those Golden Domers.