Can we sign a traditional Jon Diebler type

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's what I'm talking about...a kid that can shoot....but he might be slow

[tower912]

Hopefully, they wouldn't want to be with their HS GF at Iowa State.      Dear Bo, deal with it.   

[Stretchdeltsig]

Agreed.  We need shooters!!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

That freshman kid on UW, what's his name, did pretty well today as well.  17 points I think.  They really controlled Taylor today.

[brewcity77]

Thread title alone made me LOL

But I agree, Diebler looks great today.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Stupid thread topic.

OSU 14 of 15 from three point range. Dear Lord.

[Blackhat]

Our athletic guards like Buycks and Blue get burned fairly easily,  I'd hate to see a guy like Gasser under Buzz's tutelage on D.

[NersEllenson]

That freshman kid on UW, what's his name, did pretty well today as well.  17 points I think.  They really controlled Taylor today.

I believe Merrit's Stache challenged you to go a week without bringing up UW earlier today?  You couldn't even make it 6 hours?1  Wow.  Your Team Gasser/UW crush is out of control.

How do you reconcile UW getting blown out by 30 points with such a smart, fundamentally sound squad that features Gasser/

And on the topic of Gasser - so Bo lucked out that Gasser fell in his lap - didn't even offer the kid a scholarship until another of his recruits got in trouble and got kicked out UW.  He offered Brust before Gasser.  Enough said.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Thread title alone made me LOL

But I agree, Diebler looks great today.

He's looked great for the last two years...I just love that type of basketball player....some have labeled me a racist for that.  Oh well.  Give me a kid that can shoot the lights out all day and stretch the defense, and I'm in love.

[OhioGoldenEagle]

Scott Christopherson was supposed to be that guy

[NickelDimer]

Shooters like Diebler grow on trees.  All you have to do is offer and they're yours.

[Goose]

What does Ners think? I doubt that kind of player would want to come here.

[karavotsos]

I did not foresee DJO dropping 11 percentage points on his 3 pt fg % from last year.  Maybe other people did.  If Buycks is your 2nd best 3 pt shooter at 42% playing with DJO shooting at 47% like last year, I think that changes things.  Also, it helps to have a dominant big man who is good at passing out of the double team to get guys wide open 3's.  We don't have that right now either.

[PGsHeroes32]

All I know is that at one point in the OSU game Diebler would have had to miss his next 12 3 pointers just be at 50% for the year....he went on to nail 5 more in a row.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I believe Merrit's Stache challenged you to go a week without bringing up UW earlier today?  You couldn't even make it 6 hours?1  Wow.  Your Team Gasser/UW crush is out of control.

That's nice...I didn't accept the challenge.  UW is not my team....I enjoyed today very much, especially since most of my family is from Ohio (both my parents were from Cleveland and we have OSU alums up and down the family roster).  Believe me, I enjoyed today's ass kicking very much.

I'm still waiting to understand why a few months ago you predicted all these Final Fours and now the expectations are so changed from you.  Have you cooled on Buzz? 

[nyg]

All I know is that at one point in the OSU game Diebler would have had to miss his next 12 3 pointers just be at 50% for the year....he went on to nail 5 more in a row.

That is insane.  Wow.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Back to the thread... we need a Jimmer!

[karavotsos]

All I know is that at one point in the OSU game Diebler would have had to miss his next 12 3 pointers just be at 50% for the year....he went on to nail 5 more in a row.

I don't understand what you're saying.  He's shooting 49.4% for the year.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36132

[avid1010]

That's what I'm talking about...a kid that can shoot....but he might be slow

You think Buzz wouldn't have gone after Novak?

[NersEllenson]

What does Ners think? I doubt that kind of player would want to come here.

Pretty sure Diebler was a 5 star recruit (from Ohio - why would he leave Ohio to come to MU??)  We have a hard time landing 4 star recruits much less 5 star)  So, if I'm a 5-star recruit and my home school the size of Ohio State comes calling, with all of their recent success - why am I going go to Marquette??

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/player/news?id=43642&_slug_=jon-diebler&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2fplayer%2fnews%3fid%3d43642%26_slug_%3djon-diebler

[ChicosBailBonds]

You think Buzz wouldn't have gone after Novak?

I sure as hell hope he would, but he's not a switchable.  In all seriousness, I don't know.  To me the two things we are missing are solid PGs and consistent outside shooting.  We have some decent inside guys that we didn't have in the past, but I've always been a believer in PG play is where it begins and ends in college basketball to be competitive.  To win the whole thing, of course you need bigs as well.  However, if you can get great PG play and have a consistent bomber or two, you can do some serious damage because the defense is so compromised.

I would hope he would go after Novak.

[brewcity77]

I don't understand what you're saying.  He's shooting 49.4% for the year.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36132

They may have been talking strictly about the Big Ten season. Including today, he finished the Big Ten slate at 53.3% from three.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Diebler was a 4 star recruit by most services (5 star for ESPN) that signed with Ohio State over Valpo and NC State.  He's from Sandusky...home of Cedar Point...best roller coasters in the world!!   

RSCI #61

[karavotsos]

They may have been talking strictly about the Big Ten season. Including today, he finished the Big Ten slate at 53.3% from three.

That would make sense.  Either way he's no slouch.  Hopefully, Mellow can approach that number by his sr. year. 

[PGsHeroes32]

They may have been talking strictly about the Big Ten season. Including today, he finished the Big Ten slate at 53.3% from three.

I saw during the game that he was 100/188 for the year. Atleast thats what CBS showed. Then he made 5 more to go 105/193

[NersEllenson]

Diebler was a 4 star recruit by most services (5 star for ESPN) that signed with Ohio State over Valpo and NC State.  He's from Sandusky...home of Cedar Point...best roller coasters in the world!!   

RSCI #61

His older brother went to Valpo - which is why they were in the mix.  But yes..no arguing he was primarily considered a 4-star.  Regardless, MU hasn't landed too many players ranked as high as Diebler.  Landing a Dominic James was a significant accomplishment for MU considering he's an Indiana native and Purdue had been a good program.  Not sure what Jerel's ranking was, but as I recall he was a 75-100 guy out of Chicago...thankfully MU is closer to home for Chicago kids than is Champaign, IL.  Hopefully DePaul doesn't get it together..

[4everwarriors]

Hopefully, they wouldn't want to be with their HS GF at Iowa State.      Dear Bo, deal with it.   

Where did you hear that smack because clearly IWB is uncomfortable posting it.

[madtownwarrior]

crap - I thought Chico's was going to point out that maybe UW-Madison is not a national championship contending team which he has pointed out about 12 times this past week...

[ChicosBailBonds]

crap - I thought Chico's was going to point out that maybe UW-Madison is not a national championship contending team which he has pointed out about 12 times this past week...

Oh, I'd say they are but they could also get bounced early.  Are you saying that every team that loses to Ohio State this year is not a national championship contender?  Weird, because I would take the other view and say that any team capable of beating Ohio State this year is likely pretty good.  I think Wisconsin beat Ohio State.

I need to verify with jhioutrtoe7, however.

[Goose]

I don't like it but UW does have a chance this year. Possibly a better chance than they ever have under Bo.

[4everwarriors]

Why Gary? Are the Badgers playin' their Tourney games in Madison?

[MerrittsMustache]

If you put a Jared Sullinger-type post-player on Marquette, MU's shooters would all of a sudden seem much more "traditional" considering the increased open looks they'd get.

[mu_eyeballs]

Live in Columbus...and trust me there are a ton of Buckeye fans that would have dumped Diebler for a Jimmy Buttler type until about half-way through this year.  He has run hot and cold his whole time here in C-bus and his D for the most part has been horrible. 
That being said he has shot lights out this week...7-8 against Penn State earlier this week...so he is currently in the zone.
The point is that the when a player playing for another team is hot of course we would love to have that guy playing for MU...but fact is he has not always been the stud you saw today.

BTW:  I think he is the Ohio High School all time scoring leader...and committed to the bucks his sophomore year.  I also think he is from Upper Sandusky which oddly is Lower than Sandusky...or roller coaster world.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Buzz emphasizes defense not offense.  That's a mistake.  To win you must outscore the other team!  We need shooters.

[tower912]

We have a (theoretically) Diebler type at the end of the bench.    If he develops his defense, toughness,  and his ballhandling enough, we won't be having this conversation anymore.   

[jeffreyweee]

Before we write off any of our freshman as not being shooters we should remember Diebler shot 28.9% from 3 his freshman year averaging 21.1mpg and 6 ppg.

Chicos, how many kids in the nation do you think are capable of shooting 51% from 3 for a season at the quantity Diebler shoots? These kids aren't easy to come by.

[NavinRJohnson]

Since its that easy, maybe we should sign a Jared Sullinger type too, and maybe a Nolan Smith type while we're at it.

[Jay Bee]

I enjoyed today very much, especially since most of my family is from Ohio (both my parents were from Cleveland and we have OSU alums up and down the family roster).  Believe me, I enjoyed today's ass

Ohio, huh?  I was guessing somewhere in the deep south.

Diebler also benefits from being on a great team... Hoffarber, although a couple of inches shorter, is a comparable shooter... but it's a lot tougher to shoot when there is no help.  Your team even played the box-and-one for awhile against the Gophers. 

[avid1010]

I sure as hell hope he would, but he's not a switchable.  In all seriousness, I don't know.  To me the two things we are missing are solid PGs and consistent outside shooting.  We have some decent inside guys that we didn't have in the past, but I've always been a believer in PG play is where it begins and ends in college basketball to be competitive.  To win the whole thing, of course you need bigs as well.  However, if you can get great PG play and have a consistent bomber or two, you can do some serious damage because the defense is so compromised.

I would hope he would go after Novak.

Of course he would have gone after Novak, and Buzz himself has stated how he needs a solid pg in every class.  TC landed Diener and Novak and deserves credit for that, but he was extremely lucky to see two NBA caliber players in this state.  They had high basketball IQ's coming from basketball families, and there is no doubt in my mind that Buzz would have gone after both of them as many high level D1 schools did.  They don't grow on trees.

[schuess56]

Little Mo Acker stretched the defenses last year with his consistent 3 point shooting.  I will always be grateful to him for that.   Opened things up for the other guys, and he did it from the point guard position.   Dearly missed.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, how many kids in the nation do you think are capable of shooting 51% from 3 for a season at the quantity Diebler shoots? These kids aren't easy to come by.

Not that many at 51%....I'd take someone that can shoot 45% from 3....hell, how about 43%?  100 players (at least) are shooting 43% or better from 3 point land right now...the list stops at 100 players so I don't know how much further it goes.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/count/81

I'm actually encouraged by JJ, think he might be someone that can do it.  I hope so.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Little Mo Acker stretched the defenses last year with his consistent 3 point shooting.  I will always be grateful to him for that.   Opened things up for the other guys, and he did it from the point guard position.   Dearly missed.

Weird, because a bunch of people here said he wasn't a DI player and certainly not a Big East player.  Weird.


Great shooters don't grow on trees, but they are much more readily available than great big men.  Not even close.

[MerrittsMustache]

Not that many at 51%....I'd take someone that can shoot 45% from 3....hell, how about 43%?  100 players (at least) are shooting 43% or better from 3 point land right now...the list stops at 100 players so I don't know how much further it goes.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/count/81

I'm actually encouraged by JJ, think he might be someone that can do it.  I hope so.

In Diebler's first 3 seasons at tOSU, he never shot above 42% from 3. In fact, coming into this season, he was a 38.6% 3-point shooter for his college career.  To put things in perspective, DJO (a non-traditional player) is a 41.5% 3-point shooter at this point in his D1 career.

[karavotsos]

There was once an NBA GM who wanted to build his team around a world-class shooter who couldn't do anything else.  That GM's name, Larry Harris.  The centerpiece of his team, Michael Redd.  Larry loved to watch Michael shoot.  Michael was such a good shooter that he made it on the USA national team on his shooting alone.  He ushered in a golden age of hilarity for the Milwaukee Bucks that included such great names as Terry Stott, Yi Jianlian, Larry Kristkowiak, and Dan Gadzuric.  Larry Harris, a GM ahead of his time.  

Now, howevermany years later, this thread should more properly be on a Milwaukee Bucks fan site - Can we draft a traditional Jon Diebler/Michael Redd-type.  

[Les Nessman]

I believe Merrit's Stache challenged you to go a week without bringing up UW earlier today?  You couldn't even make it 6 hours?1  Wow.  Your Team Gasser/UW crush is out of control.

How do you reconcile UW getting blown out by 30 points with such a smart, fundamentally sound squad that features Gasser/

And on the topic of Gasser - so Bo lucked out that Gasser fell in his lap - didn't even offer the kid a scholarship until another of his recruits got in trouble and got kicked out UW.  He offered Brust before Gasser.  Enough said.

It's laughable how predictable some on this board are. Chico's could say that the sky is blue and the same posters would just jump on it like wolves and try to prove he isn't a fan because he didn't say it was baby blue like our uniforms.