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Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« on: January 05, 2022, 09:47:28 AM »
Hey Marquette Fans,

Since 2014, we—the students and professors of the Know Rivalry Project—have been studying rivalries for sports in North America. Now we are expanding our research to college hoops. Please help us include the Marquette Golden Eagles by taking 10 minutes to complete our updated survey:

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2022, 09:54:36 AM »
Hey Marquette Fans,

Since 2014, we—the students and professors of the Know Rivalry Project—have been studying rivalries for sports in North America. Now we are expanding our research to college hoops. Please help us include the Marquette Golden Eagles by taking 10 minutes to complete our updated survey:

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Our previous results in the US have been featured in numerous sports media outlets, as well as the Wall Street Journal and New York Times. You can view those results, links to media coverage, and learn more about us at https://knowrivalry.com/

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2022, 10:45:11 AM »
Interesting exercise. Here's how I allocated:

1) Wisconsin, 40 points
2) Notre Dame, 20 points
3) Seton Hall, 10 points
4) Creighton, 10 points
5) DePaul, 5 points
6) Louisville, 5 points
7) Cincinnati, 3 points
8) Butler, 3 points
9) Xavier, 3 points
10) Providence, 1 point

I could see arguments for Detroit or Loyola, but I think those rivalries are pretty dead. Could argue any other Big East teams, but I didn't feel like those were super-significant. Maybe Memphis or Dayton, but those aren't played regularly enough anymore.
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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2022, 10:59:50 AM »
If I walk into a bar and end up talking with a rival fan and we both just agree on how much we hate each other, how much we respect each other and how much we understand each other...it's gonna be Lousiville.

We're basketball centric programs in large cities with a big brother in state that looks down on us.

No rivalry felt as right as Louisville.

They probably claim UK is bigger, just as we would claim Wisconsin.  But deep down we know we're meant for each other.

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2022, 11:12:12 AM »
Interesting exercise. Here's how I allocated:

1) Wisconsin, 40 points
2) Notre Dame, 20 points
3) Seton Hall, 10 points
4) Creighton, 10 points
5) DePaul, 5 points
6) Louisville, 5 points
7) Cincinnati, 3 points
8) Butler, 3 points
9) Xavier, 3 points
10) Providence, 1 point

I could see arguments for Detroit or Loyola, but I think those rivalries are pretty dead. Could argue any other Big East teams, but I didn't feel like those were super-significant. Maybe Memphis or Dayton, but those aren't played regularly enough anymore.

I'd say that depauls rivalry is completely dead. Their lack of support for the team, and the team being trash for the past 40 years makes that a useless one.

Notre dame has got to be close to dying since we never play anymore.

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2022, 11:21:14 AM »
I'd say that depauls rivalry is completely dead. Their lack of support for the team, and the team being trash for the past 40 years makes that a useless one.

Notre dame has got to be close to dying since we never play anymore.

If we owned DePaul the past decade, I'd agree, but they seem to keep beating us from time to time and always let us know loudly when it happens. It isn't the rivalry it once was, but there's still something to it.

As far as ND, that is probably one more for the past fans, but who is bigger currently? Especially with us renewing the series next year. The Big East rivals just feel too new to have the same rivalry and animosity that ND still stirs up, especially among old-timers.

I do agree with Lens that Louisville is a perfect fit for that rival, but we just don't see them enough anymore. Even if it produced some of the best rival moments for both fanbases in the past 20-30 years.
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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2022, 11:29:05 AM »
Wisconsin 50
Notre Dame 20
Louisville 10
Seton Hall 10
Cincy 5
DePaul 5

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2022, 11:30:24 AM »
Wisconsin 75
Notre Dame 15
Louisville 10

I missed them, but Seton Hall does deserve a place at the table.
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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2022, 11:32:31 AM »
As a Marquette fan since '97 and someone who lived in Louisville from '02-'06, I completely agree with this. I miss the rivalry.

https://www.cardchronicle.com/2012/1/16/2710357/ten-most-memorable-louisville-vs-marquette-games-rivalry-cardinals-knowles-jerry-smith


If I walk into a bar and end up talking with a rival fan and we both just agree on how much we hate each other, how much we respect each other and how much we understand each other...it's gonna be Lousiville.

We're basketball centric programs in large cities with a big brother in state that looks down on us.

No rivalry felt as right as Louisville.

They probably claim UK is bigger, just as we would claim Wisconsin.  But deep down we know we're meant for each other.
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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2022, 11:41:23 AM »
As a Marquette fan since '97 and someone who lived in Louisville from '02-'06, I completely agree with this. I miss the rivalry.

https://www.cardchronicle.com/2012/1/16/2710357/ten-most-memorable-louisville-vs-marquette-games-rivalry-cardinals-knowles-jerry-smith

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2022, 11:50:42 AM »
I had Wisconsin number one and then all the other Big East Schools except DePaul to round out the 10 gave all equal weighting. Those are the teams we battle year in and year out.


Didn't put ND and Louisville, because we really don't play them much any more. They would definitely be rivals if they were consistently on our schedule. 
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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2022, 12:04:17 PM »
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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2022, 12:06:39 PM »
If I walk into a bar and end up talking with a rival fan and we both just agree on how much we hate each other, how much we respect each other and how much we understand each other...it's gonna be Lousiville.

We're basketball centric programs in large cities with a big brother in state that looks down on us.

No rivalry felt as right as Louisville.

They probably claim UK is bigger, just as we would claim Wisconsin.  But deep down we know we're meant for each other.

Louisville never really gave a damn about us as a "rival." We had great games against them but it wasn't any more "rivalry" than other CUSA teams, we were competitors with them.

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2022, 12:16:16 PM »
I got to know a lot of Louisville fans through a Louisville transplant living in MKE.  Met a dozen or so diehards who would pilgrimage up here for games. 

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2022, 12:19:25 PM »
Crean sucks

He lost by 2 to the Texan last night and Buzz is all over Twitter talking about how great of a start A&M is having after his typical bounty soft OOC scheduling

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2022, 12:21:43 PM »
Pitt and WVU used to be in the discussion. WVU fans were sentimental in SC. Pitt sucks at basketball now and WVU basketball feels orphaned in the B12.

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2022, 12:28:52 PM »
I got to know a lot of Louisville fans through a Louisville transplant living in MKE.  Met a dozen or so diehards who would pilgrimage up here for games. 

MU was their #1 in conference

I had a project in Lulvul while we were in the Big East together.  We were definitely on their hate list as it related to the conference.  Now that we are no longer in conference I imagine that they don't think about us much anymore.

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2022, 01:07:51 PM »
Yeah, the Louisville rival was absolutely mutual when we were playing every season.  I really miss playing them.  Cincinnati too, for that matter.  Grew a begrudging and deeply ambivalent respect for Bob Huggins' teams from those games during the 2000-2003 years.

I'd personally love a non conference series with either UL or UC on the schedule.

I was in Atlanta last week the day before the Peach Bowl. Seeing all the people in Pitt gear still made my stomach turn a little bit.  That was a pretty decent rivalry back then too.
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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2022, 01:17:08 PM »
I had to put Cinci in mine

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2022, 01:27:44 PM »
Wisconsin 50
Notre Dame 20
Louisville 10
Seton Hall 10
Cincy 5
DePaul 5


That's pretty close to mine, but I excluded SHU and Cincy. I had:

UW 40
ND 30
UL 15
DPU 15

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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2022, 01:29:38 PM »
I had to put Cinci in mine

I get the Cinci thing but to me it was Huggins.  He transfered to West Va and that followed.  Cinci never rose to their prior levels rivalry wise when Mick was in charge. 
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2022, 01:31:54 PM »
I get the Cinci thing but to me it was Huggins.  He transfered to West Va and that followed.  Cinci never rose to their prior levels rivalry wise when Mick was in charge.


Same here. Our rivalry with UL transcended Crum, Pitino, etc, but for me the UC rivalry was mostly about Huggy.

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Re: Who are Marquette's Rivals?
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2022, 01:37:11 PM »
Based it on when I was a student:

Wisconsin: 30
ND: 30
DePaul:20 (had a personal stake back then)
Cincinnati: 10
Louisville: 10
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2022, 02:12:23 PM »
I went:

Wisconsin 60
Notre Dame 20
DePaul 10
Seton Hall  4
Creighton 2
Providence 2
Louisville 1
Cinci 1

Back when we were playing ND, Louisville, and Cincy on the regular it would have looked a lot differently but all three took major hits when the BEast split. DePaul is mostly based on longevity and how infuriating it is when we lose to them. I picked Seton Hall, Creighton, and Providence as the fledgling rivalries because we always seem to play tough, contested games against them, and weird sh*t always happens vs. Creighton and Providence.
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2022, 02:41:57 PM »
I gave Wisconsin 40 points and Villanova 25 points.

Everything else was ancient or minimal and included Notre Dame, Providence, West Virginia (love ya Huggie), DePaul (think of them the way Wisconsin thinks of us), Louisville, Kentucky (dates to Al and DWade) and Dayton for a point (we hated them way back when...)

Villanova has been a big game for us and we've had some incredible moments against them. Yeah, they're not Notre Dame and Louisville in hatred, but we have not played those guys in years.