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How are they different? Too early and THUS less accurate today then what they will be later in the season.Maybe I am not understanding what you think is silly, but seems pretty clear to me. Similar comments made by Palm, Sagarin, Massey over the years.
C'mon, Cheeks. Just because Pomeroy might be MORE accurate later in the season doesn't mean it's TOO EARLY for it to be useful now. Isn't complicated at all, really.
Still too early for Pomeroy in my opinion, but let's go with the predictions for the Big East. Very tightly bunched. Going to be a war.Butler 11-7Seton Hall 11-7Villanova 11-7Marquette 10-8Xavier 10-8Georgetown 8-10Depaul 8-10Creighton 8-10Providence 7-11St. John's 5-13
just pointing out that mathematically this isn't possible. The wins and losses don't add up
...and I’m asking him what source is better. It’s amazing how dense she can be at times
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
Still too early for Pomeroy in my opinion
I’m pleased you’ve back tracked on your comments & really meant, “I believe Pomeroy gets better later in the season, but it may be as good or better than any other source.”That’s reasonable (albeit obvious that one may believe a predictive model becomes a bit better with more data). https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1202313930850238464 https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1203422352177954816
JayBee, we've already had this discussion and there is no backtracking. I said similarly the same thing Nov 25th...and you responded to it.https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59234.msg1175551#msg1175551Similar things said in the past here. Really not sure what the trouble is. I'll restate, I like Ken Pomeroy's stuff, I just like it BETTER after January. I like a rare steak, but I like a medium-rare steak BETTER. It's not a matter of which system is better at the moment, though I'm sure there are some that could make the argument, it's simply the lack of data points still this early in the season. It's what I've said consistently about these rating systems this early in the year...baskteball...football...doesn't matter.
“I like it now but I like it better later” is far different than “it’s too early”. Glad you have recanted!
It’s too early to put a ton of stock into it, as the data points are sparse. No recanting, no need to. God Bless America
When you wrestle a pig, you both get dirty, but the pig likes it.
What does America have to do with Pomery or basketball data?
So you put stock into NOTHING, or is there some secret great source? AP certainly isn’t it. Are you saying you don’t know much of anything until January at least, but kp might be as good as anything? That’s fine. (Just not “too soon”)
No, I put less stock into something not fully baked like Pomeroy, Sagarin, etc, etc, as more data makes the ratings stronger and more holistically solid. They are not without value now, nor did I say that.
No, I put less stock into something not fully baked like Pomeroy, Sagarin, etc, etc, as more data makes the ratings stronger and more holistically solid. They are not without value now, nor did I say that. But they are MORE valuable to me later in the season. On day one of the season, I think all these ratings have big holes. That changes a bunch over a number of weeks. You reach a point by February that the data doesn’t move much for most of the teams. Again, I don’t see what your point is. Some value today...but somewhat limited because too soon...buyer beware...take with grain of salt. Let it marinate, more data means better output and better informed in my opinion. Nothing has changed on this from my perspective.
What did Jerry Palm say at lunch?
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.