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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Aircraftcarrier on August 21, 2014, 04:51:32 PM
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Look for Diamond Stone to go to UCONN.
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Look for Diamond Stone to go to UCONN.
Well, he wasn't really all that good. Overrated quite frankly.
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I don't get that one, but as long as it's not Madison, I hope he does well.
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He must really want to play against East Carolina, Tulsa and Tulane...
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I don't get that one, but as long as it's not Madison, I hope he does well.
What's not to get? A bushel of national titles .... Okafor, Boone, Villanueva, Drummond, Thabeet, Adrien, Armstrong -- UConn has been exquisite in developing bigs into NBA-ready talent. And he'd join Nolan who he likely knows pretty well.
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What's not to get? A bushel of national titles .... Okafor, Boone, Villanueva, Drummond, Thabeet, Adrien, Armstrong -- UConn has been exquisite in developing bigs into NBA-ready talent. And he'd join Nolan who he likely knows pretty well.
Except that was all Calhoun. Even last year's national championship was mostly with Calhoun era players. I don't agree with the previous posters who insinuated it was a bad choice. But I don't think Ollie should get credit for Okafor, Boone, Villanueva, Drummond, etc.
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Except that was all Calhoun. Even last year's national championship was mostly with Calhoun era players. I don't agree with the previous posters who insinuated it was a bad choice. But I don't think Ollie should get credit for Okafor, Boone, Villanueva, Drummond, etc.
The Stones have always wanted a school that was known to put bigs in the NBA. It's why Georgetown was the front runner early, because there is a history of dominant, back to the basket low post players, and John Thompson is still around the program. It's also why I thought he would eventually end up at Kentucky, because they put everybody (not just low post players) into the NBA. But you could certainly do worse if that's what you're looking for (a history of putting bigs into the NBA) than UCONN, as NYWarrior has pointed out. Doesn't necessarily have to do with whether or not the current coach is the one who got those players to the league. The idea of a "pipeline" for bigs to the NBA was exactly what they have wanted. This is exactly why MU and UW never had a shot. What bigs have have they put into the NBA? None. This is a very important aspect in the Stones search. It's what I've heard since day one and have heard ever since. If the Stones are comfortable with the idea that although Kevin Ollie may not have been the one directly responsible for the bigs developing at UCONN, that he will have success developing Diamond into an NBA player, then he will have no problem going to UCONN. I don't see why he'd have any questions about that, as he just won a Natty and played in the NBA himself.
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Look for Diamond Stone to go to UCONN.
I been saying UCONN for a while now.
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Except that was all Calhoun. Even last year's national championship was mostly with Calhoun era players. I don't agree with the previous posters who insinuated it was a bad choice. But I don't think Ollie should get credit for Okafor, Boone, Villanueva, Drummond, etc.
Apparently, it doesn't matter to Stone who gets "credit." And it shouldn't really matter to anyone else at this point, either. Ollie did a great job last year. (I know you didn't say otherwise.)
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Well, he wasn't really all that good. Overrated quite frankly.
You have an opinion on everything, even things that you don't have a good feel for like Diamond Stone.
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You have an opinion on everything, even things that you don't have a good feel for like Diamond Stone.
I may be wrong but I think sarcasm is something you don't have a good feel for.
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This thread means it is Bucky for sure.
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I may be wrong but I think sarcasm is something you don't have a good feel for.
I thought sarcasm was supposed to be in teal? If it was sarcasm, then I was wrong
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This has been my guess for awhile. Malik Newman also is interested in UCONN. Also, I think Calhoun is still around the program. May be hands off, but he's shown at games a lot.
Phillip Nolan is also there too.
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Why would anyone be surprised that a top 10 player would want to commit to the defending national champions?
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Okafor, Boone, Villanueva, Drummond, Thabeet, Adrien, Armstrong -- UConn has been exquisite in developing bigs into NBA-ready talent.
Yeah, but those guys all played in the best conference in the country, competing against other top teams on a regular basis to help their development. Stone will be playing in the AAC against Cincy, Memphis and the old NASCAR division of C-USA. Just my opinion, but if places like Kentucky, UNC or Duke were really options, I don't see the appeal of UConn in comparison.
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Yeah, but those guys all played in the best conference in the country, competing against other top teams on a regular basis to help their development. Stone will be playing in the AAC against Cincy, Memphis and the old NASCAR division of C-USA. Just my opinion, but if places like Kentucky, UNC or Duke were really options, I don't see the appeal of UConn in comparison.
The same teams they played against en route to a National Title last year. The same teams Dwyane Wade played against while at Marquette. Better teams than Paul George played against at Fresno State. Etc. "If Kentucky, UNC or Duke were really options." Yeah, I think they'd take a top 5 player and top 2 center in the country.
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Players go where they like the coach and where they feel they "fit."
I'm guessing that Stone loves Ollie - who seems like a great dude to play for, not to mention one who played many years at the highest level. UConn has a nice campus and a great campus arena, and its academics are, shall we say, not too stringent.
I'm also guessing that the coach of the defending national champion doesn't have to answer a whole lot of questions about the conference from a player who loves him to begin with.
Folks who think Stone would turn down UConn because of the conference are overthinking it big-time.
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The same teams they played against en route to a National Title last year. The same teams Dwyane Wade played against while at Marquette. Better teams than Paul George played against at Fresno State. Etc. "If Kentucky, UNC or Duke were really options." Yeah, I think they'd take a top 5 player and top 2 center in the country.
Trading Louisville and Rutgers for ECU, Tulane and Tulsa is going to be a step down from who they played last year, and Wade and George weren't being recruited by the blue bloods. Regardless, I wasn't trying to say he shouldn't go there because the conference, we certainly aren't in a position to be conference snobs, I just think UConn's past reputation for sending big guys to the NBA was under different circumstances than they're in now. The "hit it off with the coach" factor makes the most sense to me, but Stone certainly doesn't have to justify his decision to message board nerds like us. Like I said, I hope he does well, and it will be more enjoyable to follow his career since we don't have to face him.
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This entire recruiting story remind me when MU tried to recruit Joe Wolf during the Rick Majerus era. Wojo may indeed turn out to be a very good coach (fingers crossed) but ... Stone's choice...National Champion versus an unknown coach.
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This entire recruiting story remind me when MU tried to recruit Joe Wolf during the Rick Majerus era. Wojo may indeed turn out to be a very good coach (fingers crossed) but ... Stone's choice...National Champion versus an unknown coach.
Not really as MU was already out of it. It is Ollie vs Bo. He picked a young coach with NBA experience vs an old coach. Besides that his father pushing him towards UW worked against UW. 18 year olds generally do not want to do what their parents want them to do.
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Ollie was an assistant for Calhoun starting in 2010 so I'm assuming that he helped recruit Andre Drummond who is expected to have a breakout year in the NBA this year. I remember when UCONN got him it was a major coup. Stone going to UCONN is not suprising at all.
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Not really as MU was already out of it. It is Ollie vs Bo. He picked a young coach with NBA experience vs an old coach. Besides that his father pushing him towards UW worked against UW. 18 year olds generally do not want to do what their parents want them to do.
Can you post tweet/article/press conf. Where DS picked UConn please. I haven't seen it.
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I thought sarcasm was supposed to be in teal? If it was sarcasm, then I was wrong
The non-use of teal is for the more sophisticated and discerning readers of Scoop. This is analogous to those of us who read Playboy just for the articles.
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Look for Diamond Stone to go to UCONN.
Diamond Stone is a high quality I would really like to see Marquette recruit. On the other hand he is not a once in a generation player or even a once in 5 year or 10 years players. He is a top 10-15 recruit that comes along each year. I think we focus on him because he is local and thus we have a slightly higher probability than normal of recruiting him. Remember these kind of recruits are not a sure thing. Case in point Delvon Roe at Michigan State a few years back.
If he and his cousin both go to U Conn it would make a lot of sense for them. Wojo needs to keep making the case that Diamond is going to be the centerpiece here . I think if Wojo had one year under his belt he could make the sale. In this case the family will go for the sure thing.
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Diamond Stone is a high quality I would really like to see Marquette recruit. On the other hand he is not a once in a generation player or even a once in 5 year or 10 years players. He is a top 10-15 recruit that comes along each year. I think we focus on him because he is local and thus we have a slightly higher probability than normal of recruiting him. Remember these kind of recruits are not a sure thing. Case in point Delvon Roe at Michigan State a few years back.
If he and his cousin both go to U Conn it would make a lot of sense for them. Wojo needs to keep making the case that Diamond is going to be the centerpiece here . I think if Wojo had one year under his belt he could make the sale. In this case the family will go for the sure thing.
100% certain he goes to UCONN
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Ollie is easily my favorite non-MU coach, glad Diamond is going there if not MU
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This thread means it is Bucky for sure.
Yup!!
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Why do we constantly rip UCONN
They are the best basketball program over the last 2 decades?
They are as blueblood as they come
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Why do we constantly rip UCONN
They are the best basketball program over the last 2 decades?
They are as blueblood as they come
The only reason people rip them is because of their conference. But that seems to be pretty far down the list of DS's concerns.
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UConn is a perfectly fine choice for Diamond. Outside the BCS but like us, they will play plenty of high level games. Makes more sense than the runner up, UW, if he in fact chooses to go to UConn. At UW he sure wouldn't be a one and done. At UConn he could be a one and done and they will treat him as such and try to get him to the NBA. I would have thought that Kentucky would have been best, but at UConn he is more likely to be treated as the big man star right away I suppose. I'm sure UConn let him know he'd be featured, etc.
The reasoning behind UConn is questionable if it is due to a "past pipe line of bigs to the NBA." The idea that a pipe line to the NBA for bigs still exists when there has been major change is questionable. The change was to an unknown, not a known coach for getting bigs to the NBA.
Kind of like Buying a new Volvo now because historically they had safe reliable cars. Given that ownership has changed at Volvo, I wouldn't bet on the past too much. There maybe continuity and an emphasis on these factors, but it is a risk and an unknown. I'd prefer some historical results to prove it... thus, KY would seem safer if the NBA quickly is the goal, rather than UConn or UW.
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Why do we constantly rip UCONN
They are the best basketball program over the last 2 decades?
They are as blueblood as they come
Because they cheat, and then are so stupid they get caught cheating.
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Why do we constantly rip UCONN
They are the best basketball program over the last 2 decades?
They are as blueblood as they come
+1
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The non-use of teal is for the more sophisticated and discerning readers of Scoop. This is analogous to those of us who read Playboy just for the articles.
FIFY
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The non-use of teal is for the more sophisticated and discerning readers of Scoop. This is analogous to those of us who read Playboy just for the articles.
Does Playboy have photos?
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Ollie was an assistant for Calhoun starting in 2010 so I'm assuming that he helped recruit Andre Drummond who is expected to have a breakout year in the NBA this year. I remember when UCONN got him it was a major coup. Stone going to UCONN is not suprising at all.
A new breakout after his 13.5/13/2 breakout line last year.
I thought he'd be a solid player, but never a really good one what with his Derrick Wilson-esque shooting range.
(Open to response from anyone except Ners.)
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Because they cheat, and then are so stupid they get caught cheating.
MU cheated during the Al's years, straight from Allie McGuire's mouth, and confirmed by another player. You think George just happened to show up here without even seeing the school. And
in the 60's the school's campus was nothing. Truly, they all cheat in many ways, even Wisconsin, did it during the Stu Jackson era. Cheating goes on everyday in all these programs, you think
Kentucky kids really go to school 2nd semester? Sam Bowie visited 2 schools back then, MU then Kentucky, who won out?
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Because they cheat, and then are so stupid they get caught cheating.
I do not follow Uconn enough to know if they got caught cheating. However, they did get banned from NCAA tournament for a low graduation rate. Now, if they were cheating like North Carolina, then they would not have been banned. You can rag on them for the low graduation rate, but on the flip side they did not give players fake classes. The fact is we do not now how many North Carolinas there are out there. Uconn is much more honest than the programs that are run like North Carolina.
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The only reason people rip them is because of their conference. But that seems to be pretty far down the list of DS's concerns.
Again, if he goes there (as many say is a done deal, and done deals never blow up), it will be 96% because of Ollie.
That's what most of these kids do. They fall for a coach.
So many hate him now, but recruit after recruit talked about wanting to come to Marquette for "Coach Buzz." They didn't talk about Real Chili or Lalumiere Hall!
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MU cheated during the Al's years, straight from Allie McGuire's mouth, and confirmed by another player. You think George just happened to show up here without even seeing the school. And
in the 60's the school's campus was nothing. Truly, they all cheat in many ways, even Wisconsin, did it during the Stu Jackson era. Cheating goes on everyday in all these programs, you think
Kentucky kids really go to school 2nd semester? Sam Bowie visited 2 schools back then, MU then Kentucky, who won out?
What?
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MU cheated during the Al's years, straight from Allie McGuire's mouth, and confirmed by another player. You think George just happened to show up here without even seeing the school. And
in the 60's the school's campus was nothing. Truly, they all cheat in many ways, even Wisconsin, did it during the Stu Jackson era. Cheating goes on everyday in all these programs, you think
Kentucky kids really go to school 2nd semester? Sam Bowie visited 2 schools back then, MU then Kentucky, who won out?
Not saying you're misspeaking at all because I don't know enough about MU hoops history. Do you have a link to the Allie McGuire's quotes or some other way I can read his words? Very interested.
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UConn is a perfectly fine choice for Diamond. Outside the BCS but like us, they will play plenty of high level games. Makes more sense than the runner up, UW, if he in fact chooses to go to UConn. At UW he sure wouldn't be a one and done. At UConn he could be a one and done and they will treat him as such and try to get him to the NBA. I would have thought that Kentucky would have been best, but at UConn he is more likely to be treated as the big man star right away I suppose. I'm sure UConn let him know he'd be featured, etc.
The reasoning behind UConn is questionable if it is due to a "past pipe line of bigs to the NBA." The idea that a pipe line to the NBA for bigs still exists when there has been major change is questionable. The change was to an unknown, not a known coach for getting bigs to the NBA.
Kind of like Buying a new Volvo now because historically they had safe reliable cars. Given that ownership has changed at Volvo, I wouldn't bet on the past too much. There maybe continuity and an emphasis on these factors, but it is a risk and an unknown. I'd prefer some historical results to prove it... thus, KY would seem safer if the NBA quickly is the goal, rather than UConn or UW.
"Runner up" UW. Right. Just like UW was the runner up for Tokoto. And the runner up for Looney.
Anyhow, I think Kevin Ollie *might* know a thing or two about what it takes to make it to the NBA. The better comparison would be if the only thing you cared about in a car was LED headlights and the top engineer and some higher ups at Audi left and took over at Mercedes, who more recently started going with LED headlights but now their ownership is changing, but the new ownership has experience in just what you are looking for, so you choose a Mercedes.
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"Runner up" UW. Right. Just like UW was the runner up for Tokoto. And the runner up for Looney.
Anyhow, I think Kevin Ollie *might* know a thing or two about what it takes to make it to the NBA. The better comparison would be if the only thing you cared about in a car was LED headlights and the top engineer and some higher ups at Audi left and took over at Mercedes, who more recently started going with LED headlights but now their ownership is changing, but the new ownership has experience in just what you are looking for, so you choose a Mercedes.
I drive a Dodge Stratus, you completely lost me here
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I thought Stone said that he would not verbal until November?
Im calling BS on this whole thing, we all know somehow Ellenson and Stone will go to UW.
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MU cheated during the Al's years, straight from Allie McGuire's mouth, and confirmed by another player. You think George just happened to show up here without even seeing the school. And
in the 60's the school's campus was nothing. Truly, they all cheat in many ways, even Wisconsin, did it during the Stu Jackson era. Cheating goes on everyday in all these programs, you think
Kentucky kids really go to school 2nd semester? Sam Bowie visited 2 schools back then, MU then Kentucky, who won out?
I'd like to see some direct quotes from Allie on this too.
As for Stone, if he isn't coming to MU then the second best choice is anyone who isn't the Vadgers.
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MU cheated during the Al's years, straight from Allie McGuire's mouth, and confirmed by another player. You think George just happened to show up here without even seeing the school. And
in the 60's the school's campus was nothing. Truly, they all cheat in many ways, even Wisconsin, did it during the Stu Jackson era. Cheating goes on everyday in all these programs, you think
Kentucky kids really go to school 2nd semester? Sam Bowie visited 2 schools back then, MU then Kentucky, who won out?
Would like to see where Allie said that and who the other player might be. As for visiting the campus I do not think in the 60's many people visited the campuses. I did not visit any of the school I applied to in '79.
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Not saying you're misspeaking at all because I don't know enough about MU hoops history. Do you have a link to the Allie McGuire's quotes or some other way I can read his words? Very interested.
Seriously guys, I worked with Allie in the summer, played ball with Allie, this is something that would never be brought up in a quote anywhere. People talk, I got kicked off Dodd's board
because I made the same statement. I heard it, believe it, and confirmed by another player. Al had a couple of interesting rich friends. As good a coach John Wooden was, was a better
coach with Sam Gilbert? You think Jerry Tarkanian was a saint? Do you think John Calipari is ? Or for that matter Buzz Williams? Do you really think Scott Monarch got fired for driving a
kid back to Chicago? There was more to the story. You think Duke or NC are clean? Alumni want winners, it happens. The coach may or may not know about it, but it happens.
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They didn't talk about Real Chili
Well, clearly that's not the sort we want wearing the Blue and Gold of our beloved Warriors.
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They didn't talk about Real Chili
Yes they did. Al brought all the recruits to Real Chili. He thought Blondie was hot. He was always checking out her ankles.
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Seriously guys, I worked with Allie in the summer, played ball with Allie, this is something that would never be brought up in a quote anywhere. People talk, I got kicked off Dodd's board
because I made the same statement. I heard it, believe it, and confirmed by another player. Al had a couple of interesting rich friends. As good a coach John Wooden was, was a better
coach with Sam Gilbert? You think Jerry Tarkanian was a saint? Do you think John Calipari is ? Or for that matter Buzz Williams? Do you really think Scott Monarch got fired for driving a
kid back to Chicago? There was more to the story. You think Duke or NC are clean? Alumni want winners, it happens. The coach may or may not know about it, but it happens.
Seriously, guy, you made it sound like it was some kind of public knowledge that Allie outed his dad for cheating.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if Al "cheated." So many did back then. So many still do now.
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The only reason people rip them is because of their conference. But that seems to be pretty far down the list of DS's concerns.
The Big 10 is highly rated, but in my opinion it is overrated. Their last National Champion was Michigan St and Uconn has won 3 titles since then. Over the past several years the Big 10 has had very few first round draft choices. Last year in the Big 10 nobody could stop UW's freshman forward Niguel Hayes. Everytime he took it to the hoop he was fouled. In the NCAA tournament he did not play well, because the teams there did not fall for his spin moves. BHasically the power forwards in the Big 10 were not athletic or smart enough to guard Hayes without leaving their feet and made Hayes look like a star. He really looked good in the Big 10, but against Kentucky you could see that the Kentucky freshmen were bigger, quicker and more athletic. Now I am not saying that the Big East or AAC are better conferences than the Big 10, but I am saying the Big 10 is not as good as most people believe.
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The Big 10 is highly rated, but in my opinion it is overrated. Their last National Champion was Michigan St and Uconn has won 3 titles since then. Over the past several years the Big 10 has had very few first round draft choices. Last year in the Big 10 nobody could stop UW's freshman forward Niguel Hayes. Everytime he took it to the hoop he was fouled. In the NCAA tournament he did not play well, because the teams there did not fall for his spin moves. BHasically the power forwards in the Big 10 were not athletic or smart enough to guard Hayes without leaving their feet and made Hayes look like a star. He really looked good in the Big 10, but against Kentucky you could see that the Kentucky freshmen were bigger, quicker and more athletic. Now I am not saying that the Big East or AAC are better conferences than the Big 10, but I am saying the Big 10 is not as good as most people believe.
I define conferences top to bottom. It's hard to find a better conference top to bottom than the Big Ten. Sure, UCONN won the title but that doesn't make their conference great. Let's not forget the crapshoot that is the NCAA tournament...UCONN needed overtime in their first game to beat St. Joseph's. You can have a very good conference, but not an elite team that doesn't go all the way, but that doesn't take away from the quality of the conference, nor does it ordain another conference that has a bunch of scrubs but one really good team.
In the Big Ten, you're going to have tough games practically every night in every destination.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/2014/conference/
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2014/conferencerpi
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2014/conferencenpi
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If you're talking about football, you're right on. Big Ten basketball is another story.
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Was told today, on good authority, that, contrary to a well held theory, Diamond's mother is orchestratin' his recruitment, and not his father.
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Was told today, on good authority, that, contrary to a well held theory, Diamond's mother is orchestratin' his recruitment, and not his father.
Does she like Real Chili?
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Does she like Real Chili?
Just had to go and make it about you, huh?
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Does she like Real Chili?
Well, of course she does. I mean, who doesn't?
Big question is: Does she like Wojo?
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Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Timetable for Diamond Stone to narrow his list of potential colleges pushed back due to illness in family.
Alan BykowskiUConnBucky's 5th QuarterMarquette Hoops
1:28 PM - 28 Aug 2014
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Looks like UConn is picking up momentum at 247.com
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Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
Timetable for Diamond Stone to narrow his list of potential colleges pushed back due to illness in family.
Alan BykowskiUConnBucky's 5th QuarterMarquette Hoops
1:28 PM - 28 Aug 2014
Just kidding
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Was told today, on good authority, that, contrary to a well held theory, Diamond's mother is orchestratin' his recruitment, and not his father.
She must like orange and black, red and yellow, aina?
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Kind of off topic but what ever happened to Charles Matthews?
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Kind of off topic but what ever happened to Charles Matthews?
He committed to Kentucky last spring. Since then has dropped in the rankings from 13ish to the 50s.
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Buzz blew it when Bronson Koenig went to UW. I don't care if Looney is a one and done, I would have went
after them even if committed at that time. Now let's get Ellenson and Stone. We have Noskowiak. All five
would look good in MU unis. I'm a Wojo Warrior, but come Wojo let's keep them in the state.
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Buzz blew it when Bronson Koenig went to UW. I don't care if Looney is a one and done, I would have went
after them even if committed at that time. Now let's get Ellenson and Stone. We have Noskowiak. All five
would look good in MU unis. I'm a Wojo Warrior, but come Wojo let's keep them in the state.
Haha
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Diamond, best of luck to you and your family, whatever your decision may be.
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Buzz blew it when Bronson Koenig went to UW. I don't care if Looney is a one and done, I would have went
after them even if committed at that time. Now let's get Ellenson and Stone. We have Noskowiak. All five
would look good in MU unis. I'm a Wojo Warrior, but come Wojo let's keep them in the state.
Buzz didn't need Koenig because he had a commitment from Duane Wilson.
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Looks like UConn is picking up momentum at 247.com
Maybe not.
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Koenig is the best guard in the state. Hope Wilson will be by end of year.
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Koenig is the best guard in the state. Hope Wilson will be by end of year.
You are funny. Well done.
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Koenig is the best guard in the state. Hope Wilson will be by end of year.
He wasn't when he was being recruited.......RSCI Duane 59....Koenig 79
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2013-final
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Koenig is the best guard in the state. Hope Wilson will be by end of year.
I can't tell if you're doing an epic trolling job, in a very sarcastic mood or just don't understand the real world of recruiting.
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I can't tell if you're doing an epic trolling job, in a very sarcastic mood or just don't understand the real world of recruiting.
Quite a bit of both.
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Koenig is the best guard in the state. Hope Wilson will be by end of year.
Will Koenig even start this year? I think Keifer Sykes is the best guard in the state...followed by Gasser.
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Will Koenig even start this year? I think Keifer Sykes is the best guard in the state...followed by Gasser.
Koenigs gonna start most likely.
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Koenig is going to start ahead of Jackson?
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Koenig is going to start ahead of Jackson?
Forgot Jackson was still there, your right then Jackson will start.
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Actually after looking at their roster, I think they both might. They don't have a lot coming back at the guard position. I think their games would allow either to play off the ball. (Regardless of who starts, I think both will be on the floor a lot together.)
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Actually after looking at their roster, I think they both might. They don't have a lot coming back at the guard position. I think their games would allow either to play off the ball. (Regardless of who starts, I think both will be on the floor a lot together.)
Defiantly, i dont think it matters who starts there both gonna play alot.
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Defiantly, i dont think it matters who starts there both gonna play alot.
You need to train your autocorrect.
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Does Playboy have photos?
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Forgot Jackson was still there, your right then Jackson will start.
you're
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you're
Really man?
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Really man?
That should be: "Really, man?"
Kidding, kidding. The grammar police are the worst. Most of us are typing on a phone with one finger through the fog of a hangover and with one eye on the TV.
This isn't for a grade and it is a long way from the New York Times.
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That should be: "Really, man?"
Kidding, kidding. The grammar police are the worst. Most of us are typing on a phone with one finger through the fog of a hangover and with one eye on the TV.
This isn't for a grade and it is a long way from the New York Times.
Right, this guy brings back an old thread just to piss me off, I mean get a life.
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Right, this guy brings back an old thread just to piss me off, I mean get a life.
Damn straight Johnny B
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He wasn't when he was being recruited.......RSCI Duane 59....Koenig 79
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2013-final
I'd like to think Coach K and Roy boy know a little bit more than the recruiting services
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I'd like to think Coach K and Roy boy know a little bit more than the recruiting services
Yeah just like only UW, UWM, UNI, NIU, and Bradley offered Dekker. Oh wait, you mean some kids commit before some schools get in on the scene? Never would've guessed...
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That should be: "Really, man?"
Kidding, kidding. The grammar police are the worst. Most of us are typing on a phone with one finger through the fog of a hangover and with one eye on the TV.
This isn't for a grade and it is a long way from the New York Times.
The grammar police keep us all safe.
Would you prefer the wanton and lawless splitting of infinitives?
In fact, their original motto "To Protect and Serve" was amended as "To Protect and To Serve" after an arduous battle between MLA Style conservatives and the Strunk & White separatists.
We lost a lot of good grammarians in that conflict...
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The grammar police keep us all safe.
Would you prefer the wanton and lawless splitting of infinitives?
In fact, their original motto "To Protect and Serve" was amended as "To Protect and To Serve" after an arduous battle between MLA Style conservatives and the Strunk & White separatists.
We lost a lot of good grammarians in that conflict...
William Safire fell at the Battle of To Boldly Go...
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Strunk & White separatists.
Thanks for making me almost lose some iced tea out my nose.
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The grammar police keep us all safe.
Would you prefer the wanton and lawless splitting of infinitives?
In fact, their original motto "To Protect and Serve" was amended as "To Protect and To Serve" after an arduous battle between MLA Style conservatives and the Strunk & White separatists.
We lost a lot of good grammarians in that conflict...
We haven't had a healthy discussion on gerunds in a long time.
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The grammar police keep us all safe.
Would you prefer the wanton and lawless splitting of infinitives?
In fact, their original motto "To Protect and Serve" was amended as "To Protect and To Serve" after an arduous battle between MLA Style conservatives and the Strunk & White separatists.
We lost a lot of good grammarians in that conflict...
Your're post should make the muscoop hall of fame as I liked it to. To funny. Your one of the most funny posts yet to happen.
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Really man?
Can get you into an ESL class this semester if we move quickly. Let me know. LOL.
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I'd like to think Coach K and Roy boy know a little bit more than the recruiting services
Sometimes yes and sometimes no….Cal and Self offered Evan Anderson…….
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Your're post should make the muscoop hall of fame as I liked it to. To funny. Your one of the most funny posts yet to happen.
I sea what you did their.
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Yeah just like only UW, UWM, UNI, NIU, and Bradley offered Dekker. Oh wait, you mean some kids commit before some schools get in on the scene? Never would've guessed...
What's your point? Dekker commited as a sophomore, no comparison. Anyways, I never said Duane couldn't be good or even a star. But outside of top 15, player rankings don't mean a lot.
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Sometimes yes and sometimes no….Cal and Self offered Evan Anderson…….
Good point. Big men are much trickier when it comes to recruiting. Markolf's offer list wasn't too shabby either, and we all know how that turned out. Regardless, I think Koenig will be special, same could hold true for Wilson
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I'd like to think Coach K and Roy boy know a little bit more than the recruiting services
You know just because they're blue bloods doesn't automatically mean they are going to always offer the most talented players. Yes they get a lot of them but there's 3stars on those teams to. Just like any other team they recruit for their system and who they feel will fit nicely in the teams chemistry etc. Not saying that Koenig is better or worse than Wilson but saying some smart people went for a someone in the 70s as opposed to someone in the 50s is a poor argument for Koenig just being better. It's like when y'all say nobody smart could go to MU (ranked in the 70s) because they'd go to Madison (ranked in the 50s), there's other reasons out there.
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You know just because they're blue bloods doesn't automatically mean they are going to always offer the most talented players. Yes they get a lot of them but there's 3stars on those teams to. Just like any other team they recruit for their system and who they feel will fit nicely in the teams chemistry etc. Not saying that Koenig is better or worse than Wilson but saying some smart people went for a someone in the 70s as opposed to someone in the 50s is a poor argument for Koenig just being better. It's like when y'all say nobody smart could go to MU (ranked in the 70s) because they'd go to Madison (ranked in the 50s), there's other reasons out there.
That's fair, I'm just saying I get more excited about big time offers than I do player rankings. You guys had lots of top 100 guys last season, and the team didn't reach the usual expectations at MU
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That's fair, I'm just saying I get more excited about big time offers than I do player rankings. You guys had lots of top 100 guys last season, and the team didn't reach the usual expectations at MU
I agree... Although you can't deny those top 100s played sparingly. I think the only one who consistently saw time was Jamil and towards the end of the year deonte every other big minute player was Jake, Derrick, Gardner, otule, mayo. There was plenty of top 100 talent but it kinda needs to see the court in order to be effective.
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That's fair, I'm just saying I get more excited about big time offers than I do player rankings. You guys had lots of top 100 guys last season, and the team didn't reach the usual expectations at MU
Our coach did not utilize the talent on the team properly.
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That's fair, I'm just saying I get more excited about big time offers than I do player rankings. You guys had lots of top 100 guys last season, and the team didn't reach the usual expectations at MU
Gary Anderson is the bomb
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From Zagsblog:
Diamond Stone Cuts to Four
By JACK LeGWIN
Diamond Stone has cut his list to four schools.
“Top 4 (No Order) 1. Wisconsin 2. Uconn 3.Maryland 4.Oklahoma State,” Stone tweeted.
Ranked No. 5 in the class of 2015, Stone will visit Maryland this week for the Terrapins midnight madness, following a visit to Oklahoma State.
Stone will announce on November 12th.
I believe he eliminated Duke.
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From Zagsblog:
Diamond Stone Cuts to Four
Diamond Stone has cut his list to four schools.
“Top 4 (No Order) 1. Wisconsin 2. Uconn 3.Maryland 4.Oklahoma State,” Stone tweeted.
One of those is not like the others.
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Don't give a chit. We got the better of Wisconsin high school big men. Right guy for our program. Thrilled with how this turned out. Good luck to Stone and the school that gets him.
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Diamond Who?
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Will Bo make him redshirt?
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Will Bo make him redshirt?
No....but only because he's going to end up on the East Coast
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Will Bo make him redshirt?
Under Armor won't let that happen.
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Don't give a chit. We got the better of Wisconsin high school big men. Right guy for our program. Thrilled with how this turned out. Good luck to Stone and the school that gets him.
Amen. But that won't stop some guys here from obsessing about the guy MU won't be getting.
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Under Armor won't let that happen.
Tough decision for Diamond. Does he goes to a school that has won multiple national championships in the past decade or a school whose only national title came in an eight-team tournament while Hitler was invading Poland?
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Tough decision for Diamond. Does he goes to a school that has won multiple national championships in the past decade or a school whose only national title came in an eight-team tournament while Hitler was invading Poland?
So why did Ellenson pick Marquette? Didn't he know that Duke has won multiple national championships since 2000? Didn't he know that Michigan State has been to 5 final fours, with a national championship, since 2000?
Why would Ben Simmons commit to LSU? Isn't Kansas simply out of their league basketball-wise?
Maybe it's because there is more to recruiting than "look, we won the championship last year". Maybe, just maybe, he likes the team who has been to the NCAA tournament 16 straight times, and is coming off of a final four appearance. Maybe he wants to play in a premier conference, where he will have a far greater chance to be recognized as a top player in the country.
Then again, maybe you're just an anti-Wisconsin homer who is worried about the prospect of Wisconsin landing Stone, so you mock the idea of him even considering the Badgers.
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Then again, maybe you're just an anti-Wisconsin homer
You do realize where you are?
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From Zagsblog:
Diamond Stone Cuts to Four
By JACK LeGWIN
Diamond Stone has cut his list to four schools.
“Top 4 (No Order) 1. Wisconsin 2. Uconn 3.Maryland 4.Oklahoma State,” Stone tweeted.
Ranked No. 5 in the class of 2015, Stone will visit Maryland this week for the Terrapins midnight madness, following a visit to Oklahoma State.
Stone will announce on November 12th.
I believe he eliminated Duke.
Best thing for Marquette is that he goes to Wisconsin. Will have a nice couple year rivalry with Henry. The more media attention the better for us.
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Best thing for Marquette is that he goes to Wisconsin. Will have a nice couple year rivalry with Henry. The more media attention the better for us.
By couple year rivalry, you mean 1 game? Stone has one and done written all over him.
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Stone rules out Duke
Final 4 is Oklahoma st, Wisconsin, Maryland, and Uconn.
He apparently enjoyed his visit to OKST
Decision will be made on Nov 12th
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Stone rules out Duke
Final 4 is Oklahoma st, Wisconsin, Maryland, and Uconn.
He apparently enjoyed his visit to OKST
Decision will be made on Nov 12th
Thanks for repeating the last 10 posts of the thread?
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Best thing for Marquette is that he goes to Wisconsin. Will have a nice couple year rivalry with Henry. The more media attention the better for us.
Why does everyone always make everything about Wisconsin? If they land Stone that's ONE game a year that it will affect us. ROLL TIDE
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Why does everyone always make everything about Wisconsin? If they land Stone that's ONE game a year that it will affect us. ROLL TIDE
I'm so confused. Alabama MU fan? That roll tide ESPN commercial is awesome, that's all I can think about now so thanks for that
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I'm so confused. Alabama MU fan? That roll tide ESPN commercial is awesome, that's all I can think about now so thanks for that
Seen the commercials--dumb! Sounds like a jingo for laundry detergent.
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Stone rules out Duke
Final 4 is Oklahoma st, Wisconsin, Maryland, and Uconn.
He apparently enjoyed his visit to OKST
Decision will be made on Nov 12th
Looking for a last second hail Mary here, but not holding my breath. How could this guy have so easily dropped MU from his list? Thank you, Bert.
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Why does everyone always make everything about Wisconsin? If they land Stone that's ONE game a year that it will affect us. ROLL TIDE
This year Wisconsin has three scholarship players from Wisconsin and MU has five. Next year MU has 8. That impacts EVERY game.
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Looking for a last second hail Mary here, but not holding my breath. How could this guy have so easily dropped MU from his list?
What if the staff didn't want to invest the time into recruiting him? Henry was clearly their priority.
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Best thing for Marquette is that he goes to Wisconsin. Will have a nice couple year rivalry with Henry. The more media attention the better for us.
I will never believe this. Anywhere but Wisconsin is my motto.
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Looking for a last second hail Mary here, but not holding my breath. How could this guy have so easily dropped MU from his list? Thank you, Bert.
It happens. Ellenson easily dropped Wisconsin.
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One of those is not like the others.
Rick Pitino already knows this, but for the rest of us:
•Wisconsin: adidas
•UConn: Nike
•Maryland: Under Armour
•Oklahoma State: Nike
And Stone's AAU Team? The Young Legends, featuring shoes by Under Armour.
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Tough decision for Diamond. Does he goes to a school that has won multiple national championships in the past decade or a school whose only national title came in an eight-team tournament while Hitler was invading Poland?
So that's why Hitler was such a big Badger fan.
Speaking of which, how come there hasn't been a Hitler-Ellenson-Subtitle-Mashup yet? Someone needs to get on that.
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Looking for a last second hail Mary here, but not holding my breath. How could this guy have so easily dropped MU from his list? Thank you, Bert.
He ruled us out months ago...
(Not that we ever had a chance)
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To me the most interesting thing regarding the UW-Madison program will come to pass when Bo Ryan retires. Will they make the right hire? They are certainly not a "program" that is going thrive no matter who the coach is. IMO its just as likely that they return to the Yoder years as it is they maintain what they have now. My guess is we find out wihin the next 4 or 5 years.
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Looking for a last second hail Mary here, but not holding my breath. How could this guy have so easily dropped MU from his list? Thank you, Bert.
Come on, now. It's not nice for us to hog ALL the good players.
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Come on, now. It's not nice for us to hog ALL the good players.
YES, IT IS Chick! We used to!
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To me the most interesting thing regarding the UW-Madison program will come to pass when Bo Ryan retires. Will they make the right hire? They are certainly not a "program" that is going thrive no matter who the coach is. IMO its just as likely that they return to the Yoder years as it is they maintain what they have now. My guess is we find out wihin the next 4 or 5 years.
Wisconsin is in a place where they can make a "bad hire" and still recover. The entire athletic department is in a much better place than they were 25 years ago when Don Morton and Steve Yoder were coaching.
My guess is that they go to Greg Gard after Bo leaves. If he fails, there will be a number of very good coaches interested in the job. If Marquette can survive Bob Dukiet and Mike Deane, Wisconsin certainly can survive another Brad Soderberg-type.
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Seen the commercials--dumb! Sounds like a jingo for laundry detergent.
Autocorrect? Or, after reductionistically calling something dumb, did you immediately type the word jingle as jingo? Please tell me you're under the impression that the word is actually jingo. It would make my day.
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featuring shoes by Under Armour.
Far more than shoes.
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Wisconsin is in a place where they can make a "bad hire" and still recover. The entire athletic department is in a much better place than they were 25 years ago when Don Morton and Steve Yoder were coaching.
My guess is that they go to Greg Gard after Bo leaves. If he fails, there will be a number of very good coaches interested in the job. If Marquette can survive Bob Dukiet and Mike Deane, Wisconsin certainly can survive another Brad Soderberg-type.
From people I know, they will almost entirely let Bo make the call or at least have a lot of input on the decision. I suspect that you are correct about Gard. Im sure they can "recover". But that is my point. I believe its just as likely that they will need to recover as they wont.
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From people I know, they will almost entirely let Bo make the call or at least have a lot of input on the decision. I suspect that you are correct about Gard. Im sure they can "recover". But that is my point. I believe its just as likely that they will need to recover as they wont.
Oh OK. Gotcha. Having grown up up Madison, when you mention "Steve Yoder" or "Bill Cofield," it conjures up year after year of DePaul-esque futility.
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Then again, maybe you're just an anti-Wisconsin homer who is worried about the prospect of Wisconsin landing Stone, so you mock the idea of him even considering the Badgers.
Guilty as charged.
Now go toddle back to Bucky Land.
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That would be funny if Stone went to Madison.
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So why did Ellenson pick Marquette? Didn't he know that Duke has won multiple national championships since 2000? Didn't he know that Michigan State has been to 5 final fours, with a national championship, since 2000?
Why would Ben Simmons commit to LSU? Isn't Kansas simply out of their league basketball-wise?
Maybe it's because there is more to recruiting than "look, we won the championship last year". Maybe, just maybe, he likes the team who has been to the NCAA tournament 16 straight times, and is coming off of a final four appearance. Maybe he wants to play in a premier conference, where he will have a far greater chance to be recognized as a top player in the country.
Then again, maybe you're just an anti-Wisconsin homer who is worried about the prospect of Wisconsin landing Stone, so you mock the idea of him even considering the Badgers.
A lot of expectations in Madison this year....imagine if they didn't get back to the Final Four with almost everyone back this year. Going to be tough. Good luck with Stone, I imagine it's UW-madison or UCONN, but stranger things have happened.
By the way, if I recall the top player in the country last year was recognized and he played in the Big East. ;)
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That would be Mayo, hey?
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From people I know, they will almost entirely let Bo make the call or at least have a lot of input on the decision. I suspect that you are correct about Gard. Im sure they can "recover". But that is my point. I believe its just as likely that they will need to recover as they wont.
It is not easy to recover, just look at the Michigan football team. However, it is easier to turn it around in basketball than it is football. I for one believe that UW football is on the decline and basketball will follow. That does not mean they will not be good , just not as good as recent history. UW basketball is very good this year, but next year, if they do not get Stone and Dekker goes pro there will be a significant drop.
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No inside info but I think he chooses Uconn or Maryland. I think the power of aau and shoe companies is often overlooked and there is a long history of influence with these factors regarding Maryland.
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I can't wrap my head around the ok st being in there but I can rationally see the other 3.
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I can't wrap my head around the ok st being in there but I can rationally see the other 3.
Hope you're not losing too much sleep over it.
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Hope you're not losing too much sleep over it.
Lol. None at all. I just meant I don't get the OK st connection. I could care less where Diamond Stone goes since it won't be MU. I wish him nothing but the best and hopefully he and his family make a wise decision.
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A lot of expectations in Madison this year....imagine if they didn't get back to the Final Four with almost everyone back this year. Going to be tough. Good luck with Stone, I imagine it's UW-madison or UCONN, but stranger things have happened.
By the way, if I recall the top player in the country last year was recognized and he played in the Big East. ;)
There are absolutely huge expectations, but there is no team in the country that can pencil themselves into the final four. It would be unreal for Bo to get there in back to back years after all the crap he's gotten about being a poor tourney coach, though.
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Lol. None at all. I just meant I don't get the OK st connection. I could care less where Diamond Stone goes since it won't be MU. I wish him nothing but the best and hopefully he and his family make a wise decision.
Good to hear. I'm with you. It MU ain't involved, who cares? MU has Henry Ellenson, who I couldn't be more thrilled about. A HUGE pickup for Wojo and MU. Might even fly in for a game next season. If he is truly one and done, I better catch him next year.
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Lol. None at all. I just meant I don't get the OK st connection. I could care less where Diamond Stone goes since it won't be MU. I wish him nothing but the best and hopefully he and his family make a wise decision.
So you do care some, but not enough to lose sleep over, then? ;)
Anyhow, UW@Madison will end up "second," but in reality Stone was never going to go there. He'll end up at UCONN with UW@Madison the "runner up," but if all of a sudden the school shuts down tomorrow he'd end up at Maryland, and if that got messed up he'd go to OKState, and if that got messed up Duke, etc. Just like JP Tokoto had UW@Madison as his "runner up" but they never had a chance with him.
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So you do care some, but not enough to lose sleep over, then? ;)
Anyhow, UW@Madison will end up "second," but in reality Stone was never going to go there. He'll end up at UCONN with UW@Madison the "runner up," but if all of a sudden the school shuts down tomorrow he'd end up at Maryland, and if that got messed up he'd go to OKState, and if that got messed up Duke, etc. Just like JP Tokoto had UW@Madison as his "runner up" but they never had a chance with him.
So bitter. You have absolutely no idea who Diamond chooses. If UW doesn't get Stone, who cares? Bo will win regardless.
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So you do care some, but not enough to lose sleep over, then? ;)
Anyhow, UW@Madison will end up "second," but in reality Stone was never going to go there. He'll end up at UCONN with UW@Madison the "runner up," but if all of a sudden the school shuts down tomorrow he'd end up at Maryland, and if that got messed up he'd go to OKState, and if that got messed up Duke, etc. Just like JP Tokoto had UW@Madison as his "runner up" but they never had a chance with him.
Whoops. Couldn't care less. No sleep loss here haha. I do however like to look at recruits final lists and why they chose certain schools.
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So bitter. You have absolutely no idea who Diamond chooses. If UW doesn't get Stone, who cares? Bo will win regardless.
...says the UW@Madison fan sitting on a Marquette basketball forum. We already have the best player in the state coming to Marquette next year. Enjoy Illikean and Thomas though!
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To me the most interesting thing regarding the UW-Madison program will come to pass when Bo Ryan retires. Will they make the right hire? They are certainly not a "program" that is going thrive no matter who the coach is. IMO its just as likely that they return to the Yoder years as it is they maintain what they have now. My guess is we find out wihin the next 4 or 5 years.
The Badgers lowered their academic standards for sports about 30 years ago. All their programs began a steady rise as a result. I think they will continue to be a strong program post Ryan. Good coaches will want to coach there and it is a popular school for the kids.
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...says the UW@Madison fan sitting on a Marquette basketball forum. We already have the best player in the state coming to Marquette next year. Enjoy Illikean and Thomas though!
Can I invite a UK poster to this board to $hit on both of you?
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A lot of expectations in Madison this year....imagine if they didn't get back to the Final Four with almost everyone back this year. Going to be tough. Good luck with Stone, I imagine it's UW-madison or UCONN, but stranger things have happened.
By the way, if I recall the top player in the country last year was recognized and he played in the Big East. ;)
I also recall Napier being considered a top player in the country and getting recognized pretty well last year despite his conference affiliation as well.
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I was really hoping Stone would end up at Georgetown if he decided to pass on MU. Sorry to hear that that ship has sailed (though not sorry enough to lose any sleep).
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My guess is that they go to Greg Gard after Bo leaves. If he fails, there will be a number of very good coaches interested in the job. If Marquette can survive Bob Dukiet and Mike Deane, Wisconsin certainly can survive another Brad Soderberg-type.
Tony Bennett will sell his left nut and his soul to be bos replacement. Unless they get someone better, he is the next head badger
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Tony Bennett will sell his left nut and his soul to be bos replacement. Unless they get someone better, he is the next head badger
Not so sure about that...Bennett family isn't thrilled with the UW administration from what I have heard. Maybe he would still take it but he has a good thing going at Virginia now....Time will tell.
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Not so sure about that...Bennett family isn't thrilled with the UW administration from what I have heard. Maybe he would still take it but he has a good thing going at Virginia now....Time will tell.
Right now Bennett is in the best basketball conference in the country. A better academic school, with a better climate and closer to recruiting hotbeds. Add to the fact that they aren't thrilled with UW as a family and I'd be surprised if he wanted the job.
Maybe, returning to the state is a big deal to him, but I wouldn't give up what he has.
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Yeah Bennett might go back, but the idea that he would "sell his left nut" to do so is completely inaccurate.
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Yeah Bennett might go back, but the idea that he would "sell his left nut" to do so is completely inaccurate.
It's a turn of phrase but the meaning behind it is 100% truth
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It's a turn of phrase but the meaning behind it is 100% truth
No it isn't. There are many reasons why Tony and the Bennett family aren't terribly happy with UW. Furthermore Tony's ties there aren't strong nor deep.
As I said, he may take the job, but it is hardly the slam dunk you are portraying.
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Never mind
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Right now Bennett is in the best basketball conference in the country. A better academic school, with a better climate and closer to recruiting hotbeds. Add to the fact that they aren't thrilled with UW as a family and I'd be surprised if he wanted the job.
Maybe, returning to the state is a big deal to him, but I wouldn't give up what he has.
Agreed. ACC >Big Ten
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No it isn't. There are many reasons why Tony and the Bennett family aren't terribly happy with UW. Furthermore Tony's ties there aren't strong nor deep.
As I said, he may take the job, but it is hardly the slam dunk you are portraying.
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Do you mean you don't think Tony is pining for the days he used to hustle the coeds on State St as an undergrad at UW.
Oh yeah.
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Kinda hard to do from Green Bay, aina?
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Shaka or Tony.
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Shaka or Tony.
If Wisconsin hires Shaka, Badger trolls will have a field day visiting MU message boards.
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If Wisconsin hires Shaka, Badger trolls will have a field day visiting MU message boards.
Talk about a change of scenery from the UW system to Shaka's system. Holy cow.
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Talk about a change of scenery from the UW system to Shaka's system. Holy cow.
And that's why it won't happen. Really the question should be not who is going to succeed Bo, but who will succeed his successor.
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And that's why it won't happen. Really the question should be not who is going to succeed Bo, but who will succeed his successor.
Agree with Shaka to UW not happening. Tony Bennett would make more sense from that standpoint but I don't see that happening. Would be surprised if it's not Gard.
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If Wisconsin hires Shaka, Badger trolls will have a field day visiting MU message boards.
Why? So far Wojo has been stellar. Wouldn't trade him for Smart.
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Why? So far Wojo has been stellar. Wouldn't trade him for Smart.
Who the hell is Shaka Smart and who cares?
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Why? So far Wojo has been stellar. Wouldn't trade him for Smart.
Who the hell is Shaka Smart and who cares?
+1 to both. I was excited about the chance with Shaka at the time. I had my worries about the Wojo hire at the time. Wojo has proven me very wrong. We got the right guy.
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Per Evan Daniels, Diamond is taking his official visit to UW next weekend. Their red and white scrimmage is Sunday afternoon.
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Kinda hard to do from Green Bay, aina?
Exactly.
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Per Evan Daniels, Diamond is taking his official visit to UW next weekend. Their red and white scrimmage is Sunday afternoon.
So a school that says their official colors are "cardinal and white" has a "red and white scrimmage"? Perhaps Bo missed the memo....
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Evan Flood, the world's biggest Badger, just switched his prediction to UConn. Not #donedeal of course, but the Bucky faithful can't be happy about that.
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Evan Flood, the world's biggest Badger, just switched his prediction to UConn. Not #donedeal of course, but the Bucky faithful can't be happy about that.
He was never going there.
Although, Hank was never coming hear until Bazz left. So maybe if Bo leaves?
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Evan Flood, the world's biggest Badger, just switched his prediction to UConn. Not #donedeal of course, but the Bucky faithful can't be happy about that.
Right now, they should be focused more on their unranked football team.
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Right now, they should be focused more on their unranked football team.
I'm sure they're getting pretty psyched about their big matchup with Rutgers.
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Jerry Meyer also switched his pick. Only Mark Miller and some randos I've never heard of are standing with Bucky.
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I'm sure they're getting pretty psyched about their big matchup with Rutgers.
Hey c'mon. With the addition of mighty Rutgers, the Big 10 now owns NYC. I'm sure the city is all abuzz over Becky's arrival tomorrow.
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Evan flood just tweeted that their is a great chance stone commits to Bucky
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There.
So, yesterday EF changes his prediction to UConn and 1 day later says great chance he goes to UW?
Did he change prediction back to UW?
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Evan flood just tweeted that their is a great chance stone commits to Bucky
Flood didn't tweet that. It was some student writer from Madison.
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Flood didn't tweet that. It was some student writer from Madison.
my mistake it was Evan Miller
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Evan Flood, the world's biggest Badger, just switched his prediction to UConn. Not #donedeal of course, but the Bucky faithful can't be happy about that.
Most likely, Diamond decided against Wisconsin when he heard that Sharma going there was a lock.
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Evan just tweeted that Stone is coming to UW. Oops wrong Evan! Love It!
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There is still a chance Diamond ends up playing for the Badgers. Bo has done all he can do either way to get him to play for Wisconsin. I don't think Maryland or Okla State have a chance.
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There is still a chance Diamond ends up playing for the Badgers. Bo has done all he can do either way to get him to play for Wisconsin. I don't think Maryland or Okla State have a chance.
Diamond will say UW finished a close second to please the home crowd but there was never a chance (again, unless a coaching change happens).
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There is still a chance Diamond ends up playing for the Badgers. Bo has done all he can do either way to get him to play for Wisconsin. I don't think Maryland or Okla State have a chance.
Oh thank God the Vadgers still have a chance. I've lost so much sleep already thinking they were out of it. ::)
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There is still a chance Diamond ends up playing for the Badgers. Bo has done all he can do either way to get him to play for Wisconsin. I don't think Maryland or Okla State have a chance.
Should be an interesting choice.
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I don't think Maryland or Okla State have a chance.
I'm guessing you didnt think Maryland or Oklahoma St had a chance when DS included him in his final list, hey?
No one knows.
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The trouble with Stone going to Wisconsin is that Bo will turn him into a four player, so he will be a thorn in my side for four years.
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The trouble with Stone going to Wisconsin is that Bo will turn him into a four player, so he will be a thorn in my side for four years.
Five. He'll redshirt his first year.
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How are Diamond's grades? Do the schools he's looking at have differing standards? Or is it all pretty universal at this point?
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For what it's worth, heard from several folks who may be in the know that Stone is "done deal" for UConn.
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Diamond will say UW finished a close second to please the home crowd but there was never a chance (again, unless a coaching change happens).
I am not sure where you are getting this from. I think he picks the Badgers.
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I am not sure where you are getting this from. I think he picks the Badgers.
Must be getting your information from the same source who told you that contrary to popular belief Hank had a horrible time on his visit to Marquette. Despite that horrible time he cancelled his visit to UK and committed to Marquette just days later.
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I am not sure where you are getting this from. I think he picks the Badgers.
You still here? Slither back to your Vadger buddies. You'll feel more at home.
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Would not be surprised if he ends up in Madison.
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Would not be surprised if he ends up in Madison.
Less surprised than if Sharma ended up at Wisconsin?
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Less surprised than if Sharma ended up at Wisconsin?
This Sharma thing will haunt you like my K-State Scrimmage haunts me chicos. The difference is that I "own" it and you are still in denial
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Does DS have an announcement date?
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This Sharma thing will haunt you like my K-State Scrimmage haunts me chicos. The difference is that I "own" it and you are still in denial
Haha good call.
Does DS have an announcement date?
I believe it's November 12. Part of me would love to see Diamond Stone choose UW, redshirt his first year, and spend 4 years hanging around the perimeter.
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This Sharma thing will haunt you like my K-State Scrimmage haunts me chicos. The difference is that I "own" it and you are still in denial
How am I in denial, I said a month before he committed to Stanford that things changed.
Whatever, people read what they want to read. Someone here said Mayo was likely not coming back months before he announced he wasn't.... Who was that again? :)
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Less surprised than if Sharma ended up at Wisconsin?
Read what I wrote 29 days before he committed to Stanford....things had changed.
I just would not be surprised if he ends up at Wisconsin.
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Part of me would love to see Diamond Stone choose UW, redshirt his first year, and spend 4 years hanging around the perimeter.
He'll be the best perimeter screener this side of Greg Stiemsma.
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Read what I wrote 29 days before he committed to Stanford....things had changed.
I just would not be surprised if he ends up at Wisconsin.
Just givin' ya chit, guy.
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Whatever, people read what they want to read. Someone here said Mayo was likely not coming back months before he announced he wasn't.... Who was that again? :)
Again. Mayo was given a clean slate when you said that. Fresh transgressions were what caused his departure. So your inside info was more of a prediction than a fact.
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Evan just tweeted that Stone is coming to UW. Oops wrong Evan! Love It!
A guy named Evan just tweeted that he was going to a Neil Diamond concert with a guy named Badger.
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Again. Mayo was given a clean slate when you said that. Fresh transgressions were what caused his departure. So your inside info was more of a prediction than a fact.
So Chico and his source was wrong. Again. When he said Todd wasn't coming back he was A-OK with Wojo. But Todd bailed them out with a totally new screw up - and Chico pats himself and his source on the back for that? Hilarious.
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A guy named Evan just tweeted that he was going to a Neil Diamond concert with a guy named Badger.
I saw that tweet, too. Jesse and Skinny Pete also met up with them later on.
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Again. Mayo was given a clean slate when you said that. Fresh transgressions were what caused his departure. So your inside info was more of a prediction than a fact.
Clean slate and a very short leash.
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Clean slate and a very short leash.
Seemed fair to me.
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Chicos m.o. Throw crap against the wall hedge the heck out of it and then claim to be well connected. Then make sure everyone is fully aware that you called it. If that fails drop a name, any name that comes to mind will work. Insecurity issues?
Chicos is a young psyciatrists dream study. Just reading his posts is text book come alive into self esteem and insecurity issues. The name dropping, passive-aggressive, logorrhea, its classic. Feel bad for the guy.
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Chicos m.o. Throw crap against the wall hedge the heck out of it and then claim to be well connected. Then make sure everyone is fully aware that you called it. If that fails drop a name, any name that comes to mind will work. Insecurity issues?
Chicos is a young psyciatrists dream study. Just reading his is text book come alive into self esteem and insecurity issues. The name dropping, passive-aggressive, logorrhea, its classic. Feel bad for the guy.
I feel bad that you tried to psychoanalyze a person strictly based on posts on a message board.
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Chicos m.o. Throw crap against the wall hedge the heck out of it and then claim to be well connected. Then make sure everyone is fully aware that you called it. If that fails drop a name, any name that comes to mind will work. Insecurity issues?
Chicos is a young psyciatrists dream study. Just reading his posts is text book come alive into self esteem and insecurity issues. The name dropping, passive-aggressive, logorrhea, its classic. Feel bad for the guy.
You feel bad for the guy. Humm. That must be why you are attempting to attack him with a diagnosis. Someone's under somebody else's skin. Not sure you know who, though.
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I would not be surprised if he picks UCONN.
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Why would UCONN need to come back to Wisconsin? Been very quiet overall, but I say its Wisconsin.
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So people would not be surprised if he chooses either one of the two leaders.
Strong takes, fellas.
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I would be surprised if it was Wisconsin at this point. I put them third on the list behind UConn and Maryland. When Evan Flood doesn't think someone is going to be a Badger, that is saying something. He thinks everyone is going to be a Badger.
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So people would not be surprised if he chooses either one of the two leaders.
Strong takes, fellas.
Haha. This circle jerk of UConn or Wisconsin has been fascinating to read the last few weeks. As ever, no one truly knows. They just have ideas. In the end, who cares?
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He sure loves the attention...His name on twitter is "All Eyes On Me" Really happy we got Henry instead of Diamond.
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He sure loves the attention...His name on twitter is "All Eyes On Me" Really happy we got Henry instead of Diamond.
It's not either/or. I'd take Stone in a heartbeat along with Henry.
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but he's announcing November 21st.
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He sure loves the attention...His name on twitter is "All Eyes On Me" Really happy we got Henry instead of Diamond.
Henry's Twitter handle is HENBA13.
Should we be concerned that he's focused only on getting himself to the NBA as quickly as possible and will be a selfish player during his lone season at MU?
Or maybe should we not try to read a whole lot into someone's Twitter name?
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Henry's Twitter handle is HENBA13.
Should we be concerned that he's focused only on getting himself to the NBA as quickly as possible and will be a selfish player during his lone season at MU?
Or maybe should we not try to read a whole lot into someone's Twitter name?
Maybe he's going to work hard for that Bachelor of Arts degree
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Marquette
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Henry's Twitter handle is HENBA13.
Should we be concerned that he's focused only on getting himself to the NBA as quickly as possible and will be a selfish player during his lone season at MU?
Or maybe should we not try to read a whole lot into someones Twitter name?
If he is first pick, guaranteed money, gone if he is my kid, school is secondary, an injury could cost him millions going to school. I see two years.
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Maybe he's going to work hard for that Bachelor of Arts degree
Speaking of which, guess who finally stopped by the athletic office to pick up his diploma today?
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hell yeah Jimmy!
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hell yeah Jimmy!
I don't know...it's a communications degree...hope he is able to find a decent-paying job....
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hell yeah Jimmy!
Good for Jimmy! He and Wes are incredible workers and have deserved everything they've gotten.
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I don't know...it's a communications degree...hope he is able to find a decent-paying job....
He's f*cked without a Masters.
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Good for Jimmy! He and Wes are incredible workers and have deserved everything they've gotten.
Jimmy vs. Wes 2015 Finals would be amazing
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I don't know...it's a communications degree...hope he is able to find a decent-paying job....
http://www.youtube.com/e/aDMKXFeBNVU
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I feel bad that you tried to psychoanalyze a person strictly based on posts on a message board.
+1
well said. I think the whole looking up everyone's posts from the past 10 years and trying to pick them apart gets a little tiresome..
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Speaking of which, guess who finally stopped by the athletic office to pick up his diploma today?
Wait, he graduated on time, didn't he? So it took him 3 1/2 years to pick up his diploma? And no one thought to get it to him sooner? Like in 2011, during the NBA lockout when he was around, at least for Madness.
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Jimmy vs. Wes 2015 Finals would be amazing
Wouldn't be quite as cool as Lazar vs Wade was but I guess Wes vs Jimmy would be decent
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Wouldn't be quite as cool as Lazar vs Wade was but I guess Wes vs Jimmy would be decent
Well, they would actually play minutes against each other.
I dont think Lazar got off the bench once in that finals
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Henry's Twitter handle is HENBA13.
Should we be concerned
No. Next question.
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Well, they would actually play minutes against each other.
I dont think Lazar got off the bench once in that finals
Played almost five minutes at the end of Game 5, when Miami led by 24 after three quarters.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201206210MIA.html
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Well, they would actually play minutes against each other.
I dont think Lazar got off the bench once in that finals
Lazar scored the final points of the finals in garbage time.
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Lazar scored the final points of the finals in garbage time.
Yeah, thats why I think Jimmy vs Wes would be way much cooler.
1) Both of them would actually play meaningful minutes
2) They both played with each other for a year at MU
3) It would be highly likely they would spend time defending each other
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Yeah, thats why I think Jimmy vs Wes would be way much cooler.
1) Both of them would actually play meaningful minutes
2) They both played with each other for a year at MU
3) It would be highly likely they would spend time defending each other
I was being sarcastic about the not quite as cool I know Lazar flopped as an NBA player, saw next to no minutes, and certainly wasn't gaurding Wade. Definitely think wes v jimmy would be intense and great publicity for the school.
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but he's announcing November 21st.
According to Zagoria, his father and HD athletic director say no date has been finalized. Odd to plan to announce two days after the early signing period, but I suppose it would keep his options open.
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According to Zagoria, his father and HD athletic director say no date has been finalized. Odd to plan to announce two days after the early signing period, but I suppose it would keep his options open.
That may be the case, but Diamond himself tweeted that November 21st was the day.
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Looks like he originally was going to announce on Nov. 12.
Courtney Cronin @CourtneyRCronin · Nov 5
Milwaukee big man Diamond Stone, who was originally announcing on NSD RT @Diamond_Stone33: November 21st I will make my college decision
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That may be the case, but Diamond himself tweeted that November 21st was the day.
The article discusses that:
http://zagsblog.com/articles/diamond-stone-getting-close-no-decision/
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Heard the dude was dismissed from Athlete's Performance in The Quon for bein' lazy. Take a pass.
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Heard the dude was dismissed from Athlete's Performance in The Quon for bein' lazy. Take a pass.
Not the first time I've heard that concern about him. He tends to play up to the competition level, though. I'm sure he'll be fine in college.
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Heard the dude was dismissed from Athlete's Performance in The Quon for bein' lazy. Take a pass.
Sounds like a comment on the Badger board when they miss on a player.
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Heard the dude was dismissed from Athlete's Performance in The Quon for bein' lazy. Take a pass.
Yeah, I don't think Marquette should be passing on any top 10 guys because he was lazy at some gym.
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Y'all, Athlete's Performance is a fee for service trainin' facility dedicated to workin' with athletes to become the best they can be. Same place J. P. Tokoto worked out at while in high school. The fact that Stone was dismissed speaks volumes about his commitment.
As the Russian dude so eloquently phrased it speakin' 'bout Jason Kidd, "Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you."
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4ever
While his apparent lack of effort and body language drives me crazy when I have watched him play, I still wish he was coming to MU. Landing Henry took the sting away a bit for me about Stone, but he was guy I was hoping we get since he was in eight grade.
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Y'all, Athlete's Performance is a fee for service trainin' facility dedicated to workin' with athletes to become the best they can be. Same place J. P. Tokoto worked out at while in high school. The fact that Stone was dismissed speaks volumes about his commitment.
As the Russian dude so eloquently phrased it speakin' 'bout Jason Kidd, "Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you."
I know full well what it is. I also know what Diamond did on Team USA...on the AAU circuit...in high school. I'll take him.
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Sounds like a comment on the Badger board when they miss on a player.
C'mon, man. Everybody knows we passed because Wojo cooled on him!
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Y'all, Athlete's Performance is a fee for service trainin' facility dedicated to workin' with athletes to become the best they can be. Same place J. P. Tokoto worked out at while in high school. The fact that Stone was dismissed speaks volumes about his commitment.
As the Russian dude so eloquently phrased it speakin' 'bout Jason Kidd, "Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you."
Every single D1 program would love to have Diamond join their squad. I have no doubt that if he called Wojo today and said he had a change of heart and wanted to come to MU, he would have a scholarship no hesitation.
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4ever
While his apparent lack of effort and body language drives me crazy when I have watched him play, I still wish he was coming to MU. Landing Henry took the sting away a bit for me about Stone, but he was guy I was hoping we get since he was in eight grade.
Not me. Couldn't be happier about the guy MU got.
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Not me. Couldn't be happier about the guy MU got.
You can have both you know. They can be on the same court.
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You can have both you know. They can be on the same court.
Right, the two are not mutually exclusive. The fact that we even got one is still amazing though.
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Yeah, I don't think Marquette should be passing on any top 10 guys because he was lazy at some gym.
We didn't pass on him.
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We didn't pass on him.
I know. But you aren't quoting me in context. I was responding to 4ever saying "Heard the dude was dismissed from Athlete's Performance in The Quon for bein' lazy. Take a pass."
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You can have both you know. They can be on the same court.
MU is not getting Stone. Thanks to Ellenson's commitment, I'm not losing any sleep over that fact.
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Ain't no good.
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Ain't no good.
Enough about his test taking, what about basketball?
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Henry has repeatedly said he wants skill development and how driven he is to improve. I don't recall hearing that same mantra from Diamond Stone. Would it be incredible if he did an about face and decided to come to Marquette? Of course! But that's not happening! My only interest in Diamond Stone is hoping he chooses anyone other than Becky. And if he does end up there, that will be that.
Can't wait to see Henry in a MU uniform and watch all the great things he's going to do.
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MU
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MU is not getting Stone. Thanks to Ellenson's commitment, I'm not losing any sleep over that fact.
I don’t think Wojo is either. How do you get Lazy and All In to coexist without affect the Team Chemistry?
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 7m7 minutes ago
Might take awhile yet to get the commitment, but still feeling confident Diamond Stone ends up at Wisconsin.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 7m7 minutes ago
Might take awhile yet to get the commitment, but still feeling confident Diamond Stone ends up at Wisconsin.
Done deal.
Hope the kid enjoys his redshirt year. He'll be becoming eligible to play just in time to see the players ranked around him playing in the first NBA games.
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I hope he goes to Wisconsin. I think the one or two years Stone and Ellenson match up will be a lot of fun.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 20s
Top player in WI ... Diamond Stone or Henry Ellenson? So close reminds me of 2005 when Marcus Landry and Wesley Matthews were seniors.
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I hope he goes to Wisconsin. I think the one or two years Stone and Ellenson match up will be a lot of fun.
+1
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So when is Stone going to sign? Anywhere.
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Interesting that Mark Miller is confident in Stone to UW when the rest of 247 seems to think UCONN. Even Evan Flood picked the Huskies
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Interesting that Mark Miller is confident in Stone to UW when the rest of 247 seems to think UCONN. Even Evan Flood picked the Huskies
This is one time where I hope Mark is wrong. Just want to see Vadger fans try to justify Stone going to UCONN. They would be insufferable if Stone went to UW.
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I hope he goes to Wisconsin. I think the one or two years Stone and Ellenson match up will be a lot of fun.
I agree. Would make the rivalry all the more fun.
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This is one time where I hope Mark is wrong. Just want to see Vadger fans try to justify Stone going to UCONN. They would be insufferable if Stone went to UW.
Mark is under 70%.... so who knows?
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What's that number based on? When it comes to Wisconsin recruits I think he's very accurate. Only one I can think of as wrong was Looney, and everyone got that wrong.
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Mark is under 70%.... so who knows?
Pretty damn good in a world where you're predicting the whims of 18 year old boys.
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Based on all of his predictions. And I didn't mean to infer it was good or bad - just is what it is.
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Based on all of his predictions. And I didn't mean to infer it was good or bad - just is what it is.
So you've gone back and tallied it up?
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Based on all of his predictions. And I didn't mean to infer it was good or bad - just is what it is.
Sorry, didn't word that well at all. I was wondering if it was all Wisconsin kids or if there were a number of out of state recruits. Also wasn't sure if he's only had a few predictions, thus Looney making up a large percentage. Not that any of it matters, just rooting for him to be wrong in this one instance.
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So you've gone back and tallied it up?
No, I didn't. Everyone's percentage is there in black and white on the website. Not a snide comment. Neither bad nor good. Just his prediction percentage.
And what could have possibly offended you about the comment? Did I lie? Was I offensive? Time of the month?
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Sorry, didn't word that well at all. I was wondering if it was all Wisconsin kids or if there were a number of out of state recruits. Also wasn't sure if he's only had a few predictions, thus Looney making up a large percentage. Not that any of it matters, just rooting for him to be wrong in this one instance.
Actually, I'm hoping he is right to see the match-ups vs. MU.
The percentage is all of his prediction - some in-state, some not. No way of knowing for sure, but I would guess his in-state percentage is higher. He is pretty tuned in to Wisconsin basketball.
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Interesting that Mark Miller is confident in Stone to UW when the rest of 247 seems to think UCONN. Even Evan Flood picked the Huskies
At the same time Big Daddy has come out saying "no way" Stone goes to UW. So one of these two very accurate local prognosticators is going to be wrong. I for one hope Mark is wrong. I don't want Stone at UW and really think he would be better off at UConn or one of the other Blue Bloods.
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Mark Miller and credibility are two words that should never exist in the same sentence, unless the key word "lack" is included. Stone is going to UConn. Bank on it.
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Mark Miller and credibility are two words that should never exist in the same sentence, unless the key word "lack" is included. Stone is going to UConn. Bank on it.
I disagree a little when it comes to Wisconsin players. I thought Stone was almost a sure thing to UConn and still think he goes there, but this does make me question it a little.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 7m7 minutes ago
Might take awhile yet to get the commitment, but still feeling confident Diamond Stone ends up at Wisconsin.
He's the only one
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Mark Miller and credibility are two words that should never exist in the same sentence, unless the key word "lack" is included. Stone is going to UConn. Bank on it.
I mean, he predicted MU's full recruiting class back in June/July.
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Not sure where diamond ends up but Miller's info is good and he is very credible. And a good guy.
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He's the only one
Not the only one..... http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44640.msg661374#msg661374
;)
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Only one I can think of as wrong was Looney, and everyone got that wrong.
False! Dr 4ever nailed this one.
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Maybe they should play their senior year before a decision is made?
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Maybe Mark is getting his info from the Badger side, not the Stone side.
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Not the only one..... http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44640.msg661374#msg661374
;)
Yeah but you do this with all the recruits. They list a top 5 and you give 4 of them a not-so-committed prediction. Except for Sharma, and that was a done deal. But even that you backed out when you knew you spoke too soon. You wouldn't be surprised if he goes to 1, but he might go to the 2nd, but the 3rd has a really good chance, but the 4th is a dark horse, and the 5th probably not, but stranger things have happened. Hard to be wrong with those kinds of predictions.
Guessing you won't be surprised if it's UW (what you said in that post), but think he'll go to UCONN, but the shoe deal means don't rule out Maryland, but OKState is slimy so they could pull him in. Hey look everybody, Diamond chose 1 of his 4 listed finalist, chicos was right again! Hooray!
By the way, for someone who likes to claim to be above following the thoughts and actions of high school age boys every time a Tweet is posted here, you sure do take a lot of pride in reading into what those same teenage boys are thinking and predicting the biggest decisions of their lives will be. Is every talent evaluator a creep for following teens on Twitter and analyzing their every move?
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Not the only one..... http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44640.msg661374#msg661374
;)
Chicos the coward gets called out across the board while his favorite coach (crean) and program are a national embarrassment, buzz shows more character than crean, and chicos who makes personal comments about everyone takes offense when a poster makes acomment about his wife. A week later he comes back and tries to make a thread all about himself. Chicos could you please crawl back into the hole or cubicle that you were hiding in?, the board was better without you.
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Stone ain't goin' anywhere 'til he books an ACT score that qualifies him. Was told to quiet down durin' one session. His reply was it don't matter. Maybe the third time will be his charm.
Whoever gets him can have him. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, hey?
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Not the only one..... http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44640.msg661374#msg661374
;)
Big difference between a scooper saying "wouldn't be surprised" and a national recruiting analyst "still confident that." One is making a prediction, the other is hedging his bets ;)
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+1. As someone said earlier----throw sheet at the wall and some will stick........
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Big difference between a scooper saying "wouldn't be surprised" and a national recruiting analyst "still confident that." One is making a prediction, the other is hedging his bets ;)
Rare glimpse of Chico's house. Look closely and you can see the orange tree in the backyard.
(http://vivianreiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/hedges-and-crabs-palm-beach-077-1024x768.jpg)
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I wouldn't be surprised if the stock market closes higher today. Of course the implication in that statement is that I wouldn't be surprised if it closes lower either. Patting oneself on the back for a prediction that's not a prediction is weak sauce.
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While all funny, please dont feed the clown. we had probably the best week of MUSCOOP in a looong loong time. Didnt even have to deal with Hoopallop making all threads about him. Please everyone remember this thread is about Diamond Stone.
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While all funny, please dont feed the clown. we had probably the best week of MUSCOOP in a looong loong time. Didnt even have to deal with Hoopallop making all threads about him. Please everyone remember this thread is about Diamond Stone.
Thanks, DS. BTW... have you made your decision yet?
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Stone ain't goin' anywhere 'til he books an ACT score that qualifies him. Was told to quiet down durin' one session. His reply was it don't matter. Maybe the third time will be his charm.
Whoever gets him can have him. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, hey?
Actual question - What kind of ACT score is required? I remember when DS was trying to get into some private schools for high school and he was required to take entrance exams. Without getting into major specifics -- at one school, the administration, coaches, families all wanted him bad and were willing to bend a little to make it happen, but based on the results there was no possible way they could admit him. Dominican is a good school and I know tutoring/extra help is always available, I just figured he would eventually get to "average," based on what is at stake. Which then led me to the question about ACT. Best answer I could find quickly is a Sum Score of 59 - which roughly translates to about a 14-15 in old man ACT code (I think). I don't know if this actually legit, but it seems very low. Any input appreciated.
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A few years ago at least there was a sort of chart with GPA on one axis and ACT/SAT on the other. The higher you ACT score, the lower your GPA needed to be to qualify and vice versa. I don't recall what the qualification thresholds for the NCAA Clearinghouse were, but I vaguely recall thinking that they were pretty low.
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Big difference between a scooper saying "wouldn't be surprised" and a national recruiting analyst "still confident that." One is making a prediction, the other is hedging his bets ;)
:D
Yup, merely a guess or gut feeling. No inside information like I had with Mayo or the nonsense going on behind the scenes with Bert.
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Rare glimpse of Chico's house. Look closely and you can see the orange tree in the backyard.
Several orange trees, but they struggled this year. Drought and water restrictions not helping at all.
Don't like the hedges or the house you chose....needs to be inviting, open, a place that is warm. The wife would never go for that. ;D
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Maybe Mark is getting his info from the Badger side, not the Stone side.
Maybe there is more than one Stone side.
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:D
Yup, merely a guess or gut feeling. No inside information like I had with Mayo or the nonsense going on behind the scenes with Bert.
So just to get this straight. You are saying, definitively, that you have inside information that Stone is going to UW?
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:D
Yup, merely a guess or gut feeling.
LOL. You didn't even offer a guess or a gut feeling. Saying you wouldn't be surprised if something happens also means you wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. The ultimate meaningless non prediction. As opposed, of course to done deal, I'll bet money on it, I've got inside info on it, Sharma to UW.
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Sorta like chicos life!! Lol
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I wonder if chico had the inside scoop all along to all that has been going on at IU, the recruiting violations, the drugs, the lack of control? And chose to sit on it? On second thought i dont give a s#!t
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I wouldn't be surprised if the stock market closes higher today. Of course the implication in that statement is that I wouldn't be surprised if it closes lower either. Patting oneself on the back for a prediction that's not a prediction is weak sauce.
You mean a phony?
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Actual question - What kind of ACT score is required? I remember when DS was trying to get into some private schools for high school and he was required to take entrance exams. Without getting into major specifics -- at one school, the administration, coaches, families all wanted him bad and were willing to bend a little to make it happen, but based on the results there was no possible way they could admit him. Dominican is a good school and I know tutoring/extra help is always available, I just figured he would eventually get to "average," based on what is at stake. Which then led me to the question about ACT. Best answer I could find quickly is a Sum Score of 59 - which roughly translates to about a 14-15 in old man ACT code (I think). I don't know if this actually legit, but it seems very low. Any input appreciated.
It is a sliding scale based on test score and core GPA.
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/resources/division-i-initial-eligibility-toolkit
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Waiting until Spring.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-top-maryland-terps-target-diamond-stone-waiting-until-spring-to-sign-with-a-school-20141120-story.html
Perhaps MU involved again?
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Belling just said he is hearing it is because of Wojo......He's no Goodman, but it is an interesting thought.
Waiting until Spring.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-top-maryland-terps-target-diamond-stone-waiting-until-spring-to-sign-with-a-school-20141120-story.html
Perhaps MU involved again?
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Perhaps MU involved again?
Not that anyone cares, but that is what Belling just said on his radio show. (I wasn't listening (not a fan), someone came into my office and told me they just heard it.)
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So you're telling me there's a chance!
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UCONN. Waiting to announce until he passes the ACT. Save face in case he doesn't and "decides" to go overseas for a year.
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UCONN. Waiting to announce until he passes the ACT. Save face in case he doesn't and "decides" to go overseas for a year.
I don't doubt he chooses UCONN but I don't think option two is legit. Just likes the attention.
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I don't doubt he chooses UCONN but I don't think option two is legit. Just likes the attention.
Don't have any inside info on the 2nd part, just know that if he is eligible he's going to UCONN. That's a big if at this point, so I just took a guess that that's playing into him not announcing his decision right now.
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If Diamond ends up not being eligible, I doubt he goes to a Juco.
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If Diamond ends up not being eligible, I doubt he goes to a Juco.
+1. I forget, are high school seniors eligible for the NBADL draft and then they enter the NBA draft the next year? I believe so.
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I'll take the test for him if he promises to go to MU.
I ain't the smartest there is, but I can pass!!!
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+1. I forget, are high school seniors eligible for the NBADL draft and then they enter the NBA draft the next year? I believe so.
Think that's correct.
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Well hea definitely not going to the Harvard of the Midwest then if he can't get into UCONN then aina? Bo must have cooled on him cause he didn't have the grades.
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+1. I forget, are high school seniors eligible for the NBADL draft and then they enter the NBA draft the next year? I believe so.
High School Seniors are eligible for the NBDL. Although, this would be a last resort. Division I Bball is considered the Double A of basketball and offers the most spotlight as well as brand name coaching. Europe/Overseas offers much more money, but the competition is Triple A according to scouts. Most kids can't handle the cultural change at 18 years old and playing time is a huge concern. NBDL would be triple A level ball as well, but you make about 50k a year. In fact, I just heard last night that the heralded Syracuse PG, Tyler Ennis was demoted to the NBDL.
Brandon Jennings and Dante Exum played overseas. I believe Exum was going to play @ Indiana if I'm not mistaken. Not sure on that. Jennings, nevertheless made 1.65 million his sole year in the Euroleague and received a 2 million contract from Under Armour to promote in Europe.
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UCONN. Waiting to announce until he passes the ACT. Save face in case he doesn't and "decides" to go overseas for a year.
The overseas thing isn't all it's cracked up to be unless you want to live in Turkey, Israel or the Far East.
These HS kids aren't gonna get the dream jobs in the great cities of Europe. There is a reason Mudiay is in China rather than France or Spain.
And the reason Exum played in Australia is because he lived there.
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High School Seniors are eligible for the NBDL. Although, this would be a last resort. Division I Bball is considered the Double A of basketball and offers the most spotlight as well as brand name coaching. Europe/Overseas offers much more money, but the competition is Triple A according to scouts. Most kids can't handle the cultural change at 18 years old and playing time is a huge concern. NBDL would be triple A level ball as well, but you make about 50k a year. In fact, I just heard last night that the heralded Syracuse PG, Tyler Ennis was demoted to the NBDL.
Brandon Jennings and Dante Exum played overseas. I believe Exum was going to play @ Indiana if I'm not mistaken. Not sure on that. Jennings, nevertheless made 1.65 million his sole year in the Euroleague and received a 2 million contract from Under Armour to promote in Europe.
Exum would have picked Indiana if he decided to play in College. His case is a bit different. He didn't decide to play overseas, he's just from Australia and decided not to come to the US for college and to go straight to the NBA
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Exum would have picked Indiana if he decided to play in College. His case is a bit different. He didn't decide to play overseas, he's just from Australia and decided not to come to the US for college and to go straight to the NBA
I'm well aware he's Australian. He played @ the Australian Institute of Sport during his first year of college. I can't remember, but I think it's about Division III level competition. Either way, I thought it was an odd choice and a gamble. Nonetheless, he still was drafted 5th.
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So just to get this straight. You are saying, definitively, that you have inside information that Stone is going to UW?
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No inside info on this at all, it was a gut feeling. Nothing more.
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So wait...Marquette is still trying to get Stone? Man that would be cool.
Next years recruiting class is already well more than enough for me. I just hope the kid gets to play some college ball somewhere.
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This just in: Wojo is the man.
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This just in: Wojo is the man.
Does that mean you have perhaps changed your thoughts re: Stone going to UConn if he qualifies?
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This just in: Wojo is the man.
#donedeal ?
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Does that mean you have perhaps changed your thoughts re: Stone going to UConn if he qualifies?
Just means that Wojo did more with King Henry in less time than what Diamond just bought Wojo by not signing an NLI last week.
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That sounds positive: going from no chance to maybe a chance.
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I have always felt there was a small chance that the parents would be more comfortable with their son close by and getting the benefit Of our academic counseling. Yes I know he is a one or two and done, but it may still matter to them. A long shot but stranger things have happened.
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No inside info on this at all, it was a gut feeling. Nothing more.
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 9m9 minutes ago
Sources close to the situation tell me Diamond Stone is a 70-30 lean to Wisconsin over UConn.
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He didn't decide to play overseas, he's just from Australia
Well, then, from our perspective he chose to play overseas!
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 9m9 minutes ago
Sources close to the situation tell me Diamond Stone is a 70-30 lean to Wisconsin over UConn.
Mark is in the know, and was right about Henry
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I'd be very surprised if Diamond does not wind up at UConn. Has been a top of his list and loves Coach Ollie.
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I'd be very surprised if Diamond does not wind up at UConn. Has been a top of his list and loves Coach Ollie.
There's an article in the Baltimore Sun about Diamond Stone and the potential to come to Maryland. The article itself states that there's an 80% consensus among scouts that Stone will go to UCONN. Stone's father said a decision will come in spring.
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There's an article in the Baltimore Sun about Diamond Stone and the potential to come to Maryland. The article itself states that there's an 80% consensus among scouts that Stone will go to UCONN. Stone's father said a decision will come in spring.
No real interest for MD.
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I'd be very surprised if Diamond does not wind up at UConn. Has been a top of his list and loves Coach Ollie.
I think Dave knows his stuff.
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No real interest for MD.
+1 Redundant Points
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 9m9 minutes ago
Sources close to the situation tell me Diamond Stone is a 70-30 lean to Wisconsin over UConn.
Mark knows so I too assume this is true today .... But what about in the spring?
Remember 6 months before Henry committed to MU he too was a solid Bucky lean.
Things change and something stopped Stone from committing this month.
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I think Dave knows his stuff.
BREAKING: DAVE SAYS DIAMOND TO UCONN
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They can have him and the horse he rode in on.
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No real interest for MD.
according to today's milw. journal/sentinal,front page story on diamond stone and his cousin arike ogunbowale "he will likely keep wisconsin, maryland, connecticut and oklahoma state waiting until the spring before making a decision on where he will play next".
translation? marquette still has a shot!! ::)
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If I were Stone and saw how Okafor is dominating at Duke this year, very early in the season nonetheless, and knowing he will more than likely be gone next year, I'd have a hard time not strongly considering playing for Coach K.
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good point but but but, let's not give him any ideas-how about playing for the next best thing-coach k's understudy. wojo will show him everything coach k would and his parents will only have minutes to his home games and only have to fly but to some away games...I have a toothache? ;D
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If I were Stone and saw how Okafor is dominating at Duke this year, very early in the season nonetheless, and knowing he will more than likely be gone next year, I'd have a hard time not strongly considering playing for Coach K.
Two words, Chase Jeter ... He is already committed to Duke.
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Anybody know what this is all about? http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/with-stone-on-bench-dominican-goes-down-to-riverside-b99403421z1-285002941.html
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We have room for Newman now too.
Stone/Newman combo? Done Deal?
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Anybody know what this is all about? http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/with-stone-on-bench-dominican-goes-down-to-riverside-b99403421z1-285002941.html
Must be Derrick's fault. Or Buzz's!
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I read that he may have been suspended over the weekend but would play on Thursday. No idea what for or if true.
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Bo wants Diamond Stone.
Stone wants to ball for Bucky.
Bo doesn't equal Bucky.
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Bo wants Diamond Stone.
Stone wants to ball for Bucky.
Bo doesn't equal Bucky.
If so, why didn't he sign last month when he had the chance? Why is he leaving his recruiting open?
Either he is reconsidering his final list of schools. Or he has a school in mind but is having trouble meeting the minimum admission standards and/or qualifying to play in general.
My bet is it is the former .... he thinking/looking/considering other schools than what are listed (MU?)
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Put it this way--your daughter won't spot him at Harvard
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Put it this way--your daughter won't spot him at Harvard
I thought he was a Uconn lean? I thought Uconn's admission standards are "breathing and Oliie will give you one of their 13 schollies."
Yet he could not meet this standard?
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If so, why didn't he sign last month when he had the chance? Why is he leaving his recruiting open?
Either he is reconsidering his final list of schools. Or he has a school in mind but is having trouble meeting the minimum admission standards and/or qualifying to play in general.
My bet is it is the former .... he thinking/looking/considering other schools than what are listed (MU?)
He may be considering other options. But he is not coming to Marquette.
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If I were Stone and saw how Okafor is dominating at Duke this year, very early in the season nonetheless, and knowing he will more than likely be gone next year, I'd have a hard time not strongly considering playing for Coach K.
Perhaps he is strongly considering not trying to survive academically at Duke. Maybe Coach K is protecting his APR.
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I thought he was a Uconn lean? I thought Uconn's admission standards are "breathing and Oliie will give you one of their 13 schollies."
Yet he could not meet this standard?
Breathing and meeting the NCAA requirements are two different things.
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Breathing and meeting the NCAA requirements are two different things.
Are you saying that you can still meet the NCAA eligibility requirements even if you are no longer breathing?
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Are you saying that you can still meet the NCAA eligibility requirements even if you are no longer breathing?
Nice back door escape. I laughed.
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If so, why didn't he sign last month when he had the chance? Why is he leaving his recruiting open?
Either he is reconsidering his final list of schools. Or he has a school in mind but is having trouble meeting the minimum admission standards and/or qualifying to play in general.
My bet is it is the former .... he thinking/looking/considering other schools than what are listed (MU?)
Bo is not the final decider.
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Bo wants Diamond Stone.
Stone wants to ball for Bucky.
Bo doesn't equal Bucky.
I would agree with this. I have a feeling if Bucky had a different coach, one that played a style suited to Diamond's game, this would be done already.
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Is this official?
Stone to UConn....I think the young man needs to reconsider.
If he comes to MU they could. . . ahem, challenge for a National Title next year. I am not kidding you.
But maybe I am being a bit selfish and greedy here and I won't hold my breathe but who knows?
Wojo worked with Big's at Duke didn't he and for Team USA for many years under Coach K? If they land him MU would have a class for the ages and the envy of all of College Basketball.
To me, what does Diamond Stone have to lose if he is looking on going one and done? Then I think you go to the team with the best chance to win and be close to home?
Both Ellenson's, D. Stone and S. Taylor, Cheatham and Heldt on the frontline can get you a national title if you get some guard in here who can shoot and play D!
In one fell swoop there is atleast a Final Four team even if you would have 2-3 one and done's!
If he picks UConn. . . then I will relax. But I would hope the kid would go to Bo Ryan, Georgetown, UCLA with Looney, Michigan State with Izzo or UConn with Ollie.
But if he decides to come to MU....my oh my oh my! 1977 all over again. Call me what you like, but I'm serious. That might be the top recruiting class ever here and in the entire nation.
One can dream can't they? Keep Hope Alive! Go MU Go!
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Again, Stone will not be at Marquette next year.
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That sounds positive: going from no chance to maybe a chance.
I am going to go out on a limb...and say he comes to MU.
But he might run from the competition for playing time or others might leave I don't know, that is speculation.
But I think Stone and Henry Ellenson and Matt Heldt alone...could rival Kentucky. Who can deal that frontline!?
No one. We'll see...But the kid would do well if it comes down to going to UConn, Wisconsin or MU.
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Curious, do Heldt and Stone's team play each other this year?
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Curious, do Heldt and Stone's team play each other this year?
No.
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Looney will not be at UCLA next season-----
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Looney will not be at UCLA next season-----
NBA here he comes
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NBA here he comes
Based on ThatDude's record, Looney will never make it to the NBA. Too bad for him, seemed like a sure thing.
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Obviously there is like a 2%(generous at that) chance that he does completely chance his mind and come to MU but...
I have to ask, why the heck wouldn't he? Him and Ellenson would be dominate together. Clearly he could do something special at UConn in 1 year as well.
But if 1 year is all he intends to be around for...why not at home with another dominating piece?
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I am going to go out on a limb...and say he comes to MU.
But he might run from the competition for playing time or others might leave I don't know, that is speculation.
But I think Stone and Henry Ellenson and Matt Heldt alone...could rival Kentucky. Who can deal that frontline!?
No one. We'll see...But the kid would do well if it comes down to going to UConn, Wisconsin or MU.
Are you drunk?
Kentucky may have 6 front court players who will get drafted. And they will re-load with whatever they need next year. We are not even close to what they have.
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Are you drunk?
Kentucky may have 6 front court players who will get drafted. And they will re-load with whatever they need next year. We are not even close to what they have.
A lot of those front line guys right now are just big mf'ers that are impossible to score on. On the offensive end they are very raw.
That team is insanely good but if they don't get a competent offense by March...I will not be among the "shocked" when they fall early.
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Based on ThatDude's record, Looney will never make it to the NBA. Too bad for him, seemed like a sure thing.
Thats my cousin, but continue on.
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Are you drunk?
Kentucky may have 6 front court players who will get drafted. And they will re-load with whatever they need next year. We are not even close to what they have.
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that guys who get drafted this year can't play D-I next year... even at Kentucky.
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Obviously there is like a 2%(generous at that) chance that he does completely chance his mind and come to MU but...
I have to ask, why the heck wouldn't he? Him and Ellenson would be dominate together. Clearly he could do something special at UConn in 1 year as well.
But if 1 year is all he intends to be around for...why not at home with another dominating piece?
You know, it is a mutual decision.
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Even if Stone came here, which I doubt, we will not be a final four team next year. First of all Ellenson and Stone will be freshmen. Second of all and most importantly, we do not have a true point guard.
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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that guys who get drafted this year can't play D-I next year... even at Kentucky.
Which is why I said they would just re-load.
Didn't realize it was that complex.
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Even if Stone came here, which I doubt, we will not be a final four team next year. First of all Ellenson and Stone will be freshmen. Second of all and most importantly, we do not have a true point guard.
We we land Stone, I imagine that one of the best PGs would shortly follow. Two of the top bigs in the nation as targets/inside finishers for your passes? Sounds like a way to build your reputation as one of the top assist men in the country. Not to mention getting more outlets and running the break based on their rebounds.
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You know, it is a mutual decision.
So you're saying Wojo cooled on him?
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Thats my cousin, but continue on.
Were you Henry's cousin too?
Sorry, when you whiff as badly as you did, you gotta get your balls busted a little bit
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Thats my cousin, but continue on.
If he is then I'd stick to predictions about looney because your track record on here is well... Let's say it's provided us with entertainment.
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Hey, is there any way you can unfollow a thread on this site?
I believe I made one comment about 13 pages ago, and now I regret it, because this overwrought topic keeps popping up on my "new responses" page.
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If he is then I'd stick to predictions about looney because your track record on here is well... Let's say it's provided us with entertainment.
When it comes to Looney predictions I'll stick with his dentist.
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Second of all and most importantly, we do not have a true point guard.
Define a "true" point guard. Is traveon jackson a true PG? Derrick Wilson? Junior Coudagan? I'm curious. PGs have changed, they need to score now. The best PGs in the NBA aren't John Stockton and Mark Price. Guys like Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Lillard, Irving, etc. can score and distribute. I've seen enough from Duane Wilson to think he can score and distribute, he's been great in only 10 college games. I'll take Duane over all the PGs listed above.
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Define a "true" point guard. Is traveon jackson a true PG? Derrick Wilson? Junior Coudagan? I'm curious. PGs have changed, they need to score now. The best PGs in the NBA aren't John Stockton and Mark Price. Guys like Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Lillard, Irving, etc. can score and distribute. I've seen enough from Duane Wilson to think he can score and distribute, he's been great in only 10 college games. I'll take Duane over all the PGs listed above.
Correct. The Kemba/Shabazz model for PGs is where it's at now. Duane has those traits. Put the ball in his hands to start every possession. Great things will happen.
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Define a "true" point guard. Is traveon jackson a true PG? Derrick Wilson? Junior Coudagan? I'm curious. PGs have changed, they need to score now. The best PGs in the NBA aren't John Stockton and Mark Price. Guys like Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Lillard, Irving, etc. can score and distribute. I've seen enough from Duane Wilson to think he can score and distribute, he's been great in only 10 college games. I'll take Duane over all the PGs listed above.
Agreed. And I think Wojo does too. I just think he wants multiple players who can serve as points. Next year MU will only have one guard who can handle the ball returning (Duane) instead of the three this year. I don't think JJJ can be in that role, and Nick will be a freshman, so I can see why we may want to look at transfers (Juco or otherwise) who have point skills.
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Obviously there is like a 2%(generous at that) chance that he does completely chance his mind and come to MU but...
Definitely generous, probably by about 2%.
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Define a "true" point guard. Is traveon jackson a true PG? Derrick Wilson? Junior Coudagan? I'm curious. PGs have changed, they need to score now. The best PGs in the NBA aren't John Stockton and Mark Price. Guys like Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Lillard, Irving, etc. can score and distribute. I've seen enough from Duane Wilson to think he can score and distribute, he's been great in only 10 college games. I'll take Duane over all the PGs listed above.
And the funniest thing is that you just named 5 of the point guards who are perceived to be the best point guards in the league, and yet they have...0 rings combined. The quarterbacks of basketball teams.
Give me Rondo and Parker running my team over any of those guys if I'm going for a championship this year.
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And the funniest thing is that you just named 5 of the point guards who are perceived to be the best point guards in the league, and yet they have...0 rings combined. The quarterbacks of basketball teams.
Give me Rondo and Parker running my team over any of those guys if I'm going for a championship this year.
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The same Tony Parker who has averaged over 18 pts a season for the last decade? Id say Parker is closer to the 5 listed than he is Stockton or even Rondo. The Heat won 2 rings without a true PG. You could argue Chalmers, but it was offense being started by committee.
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The same Tony Parker who has averaged over 18 pts a season for the last decade? Id say Parker is closer to the 5 listed than he is Stockton or even Rondo. The Heat won 2 rings without a true PG. You could argue Chalmers, but it was offense being started by committee.
When Stockton was at his best he was averaging between 14-17 ppg. I think Parker is more of a Stockton in that he isn't coming down the court and dominating the ball for entire possessions like the 5 guys listed do (with the possible exception being Chris Paul). I don't know the exact numbers, but when you have guys like Durant and Aldridge next to you as a point guard, you should be more concerned with getting them the ball and the offense rolling than you are with finding your own shot. There is no reason for a point guard with a Durant type of scorer next to you having more shots than the Durant type of scorer. Too often for my liking guys like Lillard and especially Westbrook look for their own shots. Parker does not. He certainly isn't scared to take the shot if it's there, but he's more interested in ball movement and getting the offense going. Same with John Stockton.
I would argue that LeBron was Miami's point guard, and while obviously a great scorer, he is also unselfish relative to his ability to score the ball and is willing to sacrifice some of his own shot attempts to get others involved. And I cannot stand LeBron.
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When it comes to Looney predictions I'll stick with his dentist.
Murray, you're a smart man and I always liked you. Keep the faith, Bro.
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You know, it is a mutual decision.
lol. Everyone needs their Ners comment once in a while I guess.
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I'm with Murs on this one.
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I'm with Murs on this one.
Smart dude #2. Happy holidays, kin.
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Define a "true" point guard. Is traveon jackson a true PG? Derrick Wilson? Junior Coudagan? I'm curious. PGs have changed, they need to score now. The best PGs in the NBA aren't John Stockton and Mark Price. Guys like Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Lillard, Irving, etc. can score and distribute. I've seen enough from Duane Wilson to think he can score and distribute, he's been great in only 10 college games. I'll take Duane over all the PGs listed above.
Didn't know this guy could hoop.
(http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/bands/w/wall_paul/photos/flipbook_615/cr_brian_appio/1.jpg)
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And the funniest thing is that you just named 5 of the point guards who are perceived to be the best point guards in the league, and yet they have...0 rings combined. The quarterbacks of basketball teams.
Give me Rondo and Parker running my team over any of those guys if I'm going for a championship this year.
Come on now, Derrick Fisher has 3 or 4 rings, Chalmers has 2, Cassell has 2 and Stockton has 0.
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Come on now, Derrick Fisher has 3 or 4 rings, Chalmers has 2, Cassell has 2 and Stockton has 0.
Again, I think anybody who understands the game of basketball can understand that LeBron James was the point guard for the Heat's championship teams. Are you trying to use Sam Cassell as an example of a bad starting point guard that won an NBA Championship? Sam Cassell was a very, very good point guard in the NBA for a long time.
In 22 NBA seasons he averaged 16 ppg, 6 apg, 3 rpg, and 1.1 spg.
Fisher wasn't outstanding but he certainly wasn't awful, was very clutch, and had the intangibles you looked for in a solid point guard.
You just don't see score first point guards winning NBA Championships very often. Just see how silly the Spurs, with Parker, make the Thunder, with Westbrook, look. The Thunder have all the pieces for an NBA Title, but in my opinion they never will with Westbrook (or Reggie Jackson) running the show. Best offensive player in the game, maybe ever, strong interior defense, a big who can score. Just need a true point guard. Would love to see Durant play with Rondo. That would be a show.
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There's a difference between a "scoring point guard" and a "pass-first point guard who can score."
What category did Jerry West fall into? Walt Frazier? Derrick Rose?
Magic and Stockton certainly were pass-first, but either could take over a game by scoring, especially Magic.
Westbrook and Iverson made it to NBA Finals but didn't win, just like Stockton did. Nash never even reached an NBA Finals and he's probably considered a top-10 all-time PG.
Who was the Bulls' PG? Not Paxson or Armstrong, but Pippen, although Jordan always had the ball at crunch time.
You can call Fisher the Lakers' PG but Kobe had the ball.
What I'm getting at is there's no universal definition of a PG.
If I'm coaching a college team, I'd prefer a coach-on-the-floor type PG who also can score when necessary. I definitely want a guy who can hit the open J -- and the more range the better because he sometimes will have the ball 25 feet from the basket with the shot clock running down. Obviously, he should be able to create off the dribble for others and for himself. He must be able to make FTs because he will be fouled late.
Sounds quite a bit like Travis Diener, no?
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There's a difference between a "scoring point guard" and a "pass-first point guard who can score."
What category did Jerry West fall into? Walt Frazier? Derrick Rose?
Magic and Stockton certainly were pass-first, but either could take over a game by scoring, especially Magic.
Westbrook and Iverson made it to NBA Finals but didn't win, just like Stockton did. Nash never even reached an NBA Finals and he's probably considered a top-10 all-time PG.
Who was the Bulls' PG? Not Paxson or Armstrong, but Pippen, although Jordan always had the ball at crunch time.
You can call Fisher the Lakers' PG but Kobe had the ball.
What I'm getting at is there's no universal definition of a PG.
If I'm coaching a college team, I'd prefer a coach-on-the-floor type PG who also can score when necessary. I definitely want a guy who can hit the open J -- and the more range the better because he sometimes will have the ball 25 feet from the basket with the shot clock running down. Obviously, he should be able to create off the dribble for others and for himself. He must be able to make FTs because he will be fouled late.
Sounds quite a bit like Travis Diener, no?
Good post. I can agree with all of this. I think Noskowiak will fit the mold by the time he is an upper classman.
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Hey, is there any way you can unfollow a thread on this site?
I believe I made one comment about 13 pages ago, and now I regret it, because this overwrought topic keeps popping up on my "new responses" page.
Yes, just click "Notify" again at the top or bottom while reading the thread. A popup should confirm and ask if you want to disable notifications.
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Hey, is there any way you can unfollow a thread on this site?
I believe I made one comment about 13 pages ago, and now I regret it, because this overwrought topic keeps popping up on my "new responses" page.
I didn't even know people used the new responses page.
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True point guard needs to be able the bring the ball up, run the offense and most importantly distribute the ball. Scoring helps, but is not as imporatnat as distributing the ball.
Travis Diener, Sam Worthen, Tony Miller, Lloyd Walton, Cordel Henry, Dominic James to name some of them. To me the former MU point that I would most like to add to this team would be Travis Diener. I am sure some would pick Dean Meminger, but he was not a great distributor. Diener could pass and shoot. The most fun to watch would be Sam Worthen.
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So originally he was to commit shortly after NLI day, then before HS season in early December. Now it's almost January and he is still uncommitted. Does this mean he just can't decide between his final three or is considering opening his recruitment back up to others because he is not liking what he is hearing/seeing from the others?
Just seems odd that such a highly ranked player has yet to commit.
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So originally he was to commit shortly after NLI day, then before HS season in early December. Now it's almost January and he is still uncommitted. Does this mean he just can't decide between his final three or is considering opening his recruitment back up to others because he is not liking what he is hearing/seeing from the others?
Just seems odd that such a highly ranked player has yet to commit.
I agree ... you have to assume that as of now he has not made a decision. The reason is either he doesn't like his current list and wants to expand it to more or he's re-considering college basketball altogether (i.e., at risk of not qualifying and thinking about non-college options).
Because if you do know what you want to do, then commit and let the fanbase love pour in.
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So originally he was to commit shortly after NLI day, then before HS season in early December. Now it's almost January and he is still uncommitted. Does this mean he just can't decide between his final three or is considering opening his recruitment back up to others because he is not liking what he is hearing/seeing from the others?
Just seems odd that such a highly ranked player has yet to commit.
He can't get himself the grades to become eligible.
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He can't get himself the grades to become eligible.
and if he doesn't ... NBDL or Europe?
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and if he doesn't ... NBDL or Europe?
Or Louisville.
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Or Louisville.
Or Syracuse. After all, wouldn't be the first time they let a kid who couldn't make grades play the.... uhhhhh.... what's the number that comes after 4?
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His non-commitment does make you wonder about his grades and ability to make it in college.
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Y'all seems to think it has more to do with readin', writin', and ''rithmetic. I'm figurin' he needs to pull a Derrick Rose, aina?
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Y'all seems to think it has more to do with readin', writin', and ''rithmetic. I'm figurin' he needs to pull a Derrick Rose, aina?
Remember with the sliding scale between core GPA and standardized test score, it is a little of both.
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Y'all seems to think it has more to do with readin', writin', and ''rithmetic. I'm figurin' he needs to pull a Derrick Rose, aina?
So their is some geeky librarian type 17 year old girl with coke bottle glasses about to take a SAT and her ID says "Diamond Stone?"
And when do the "North Koreans" hack into Dominican's computers and his grades "all of sudden" qualify!
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He can't get himself the grades to become eligible.
Is this fact or speculation?
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Is this fact or speculation?
Of course it is speculation. The only possible way this is fact is if Diamond says so personally, which he has not.
No program recruiting him would ever leak this or that program/coach's reputation would be trashed. No future recruit would talk to that program/coach ever again as future recruits would not want that kind of embarrassment if they say no.
That said, it is a reasonable argument as to why why first claimed he would announce and sign this fall and then did not without giving a good reason.
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Yea, this is funny speculation. He will be a Badger and join the Big Ten. I am not sure why he is waiting, but highly doubtful it has anything to do with grades. The Badgers typically don't recruit kids with grade problems, so there is no way he has grade issues.
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Yea, this is funny speculation. He will be a Badger and join the Big Ten. I am not sure why he is waiting, but highly doubtful it has anything to do with grades. The Badgers typically don't recruit kids with grade problems, so there is no way he has grade issues.
LOL. I think you may want to hedge your bets a little before you make such definitive statements.
I mean, even if I buy your "he will be a Badger" stuff, did you ever think this could be the reason *why* he hasn't committed yet?
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Of course it is speculation. The only possible way this is fact is if Diamond says so personally, which he has not.
No program recruiting him would ever leak this or that program/coach's reputation would be trashed. No future recruit would talk to that program/coach ever again as future recruits would not want that kind of embarrassment if they say no.
That said, it is a reasonable argument as to why why first claimed he would announce and sign this fall and then did not without giving a good reason.
Aren't there a few persons in the handling process of records who might know?
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Maybe it is grades. I would just be surprised since it goes against what Bo has done in the past. I am not going to bet on it with you. I just think he will be a Badger. Maybe he is waiting to see what Sam and Nigel are going to do.
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LOL. I think you may want to hedge your bets a little before you make such definitive statements.
C'mon Sultan. We all know that he's been too busy studying quantum physics to sit down and take the ACT. After all, Bo only recruits geniuses.
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Why is the UW basketball graduation rate so low for all the these good students...? Seriously. UW is not tougher than any other school, and even lax in many ways.
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I heard from a good "reliable _ Insider" source, that he is having problems with grades. That is why he went to Dominican and not some MPS school like Hamilton, vincent etc.... Smaller class sizes, better tutoring etc... Also, this same source I was chatting with had said that he wasnt surprised when Burton had transferred. He is very difficult to communicate with. He "knows it all" and his "handlers" are really giving him bad advice, starting with his AAU coach. He said that AAU coach is
a "real piece of work"... 8-)
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I heard from a good "reliable _ Insider" source, that he is having problems with grades. That is why he went to Dominican and not some MPS school like Hamilton, vincent etc.... Smaller class sizes, better tutoring etc... Also, this same source I was chatting with had said that he wasnt surprised when Burton had transferred. He is very difficult to communicate with. He "knows it all" and his "handlers" are really giving him bad advice, starting with his AAU coach. He said that AAU coach is
a "real piece of work"... 8-)
Most of them are.
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I heard from a good "reliable _ Insider" source, that he is having problems with grades. That is why he went to Dominican and not some MPS school like Hamilton, vincent etc.... Smaller class sizes, better tutoring etc... Also, this same source I was chatting with had said that he wasnt surprised when Burton had transferred. He is very difficult to communicate with. He "knows it all" and his "handlers" are really giving him bad advice, starting with his AAU coach. He said that AAU coach is
a "real piece of work"... 8-)
The stuff I have bolded is about Burton, correct?
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and his "handlers" are really giving him bad advice, starting with his AAU coach. He said that AAU coach is
a "real piece of work"... 8-)
Same AAU coach as McKay. Both end up leaving MU mid-year for Iowa State.
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Same AAU coach as McKay. Both end up leaving MU mid-year for Iowa State.
That is pretty sketch right there. I mean recruiting is squirmy as is but that's facinating.
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I heard from a good "reliable _ Insider" source, that he is having problems with grades. That is why he went to Dominican and not some MPS school like Hamilton, vincent etc....
Stone would have gone to Tosa East. He lives in Tosa and went to public schools through middle school there.
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He's trying to get a score on his ACT that will get him into UW. Heard this from people at Dominican and Madison.
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He's trying to get a score on his ACT that will get him into UW. Heard this from people at Dominican and Madison.
The same score required by every other school would be required to get him into UW. If he qualifies by NCAA rules, UW would accept him, no doubt about it. They are not the Ivy League, they are not Stanford, no matter what their fan base would like you to believe.
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The same score required by every other school would be required to get him into UW. If he qualifies by NCAA rules, UW would accept him, no doubt about it. They are not the Ivy League, they are not Stanford, no matter what their fan base would like you to believe.
I think what the poster is saying is that he needs to attain an ACT score that meets NCAA rules for eligibility. I.e., that is based on a sliding scale of combined GPA and ACT score.
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I think what the poster is saying is that he needs to attain an ACT score that meets NCAA rules for eligibility. I.e., that is based on a sliding scale of combined GPA and ACT score.
Okay, so he's trying to get a score on the ACT that would meet NCAA requirements, then he will commit to UW? Is that what is being said?
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Okay, so he's trying to get a score on the ACT that would meet NCAA requirements, then he will commit to UW? Is that what is being said?
Yes. And it makes sense to me then why he didn't publicly commit. No reason to go through the embarrassment.
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Deonte and Jameel played for Terry Porter Elite, correct? Who was their coach?
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It's pretty cool that after four months in this thread not one person has a unnatural carnal knowledgeing clue as to where Stone is going to play basketball in November. But we do know he sucks at the ACT.
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It's pretty cool that after four months in this thread not one person has a unnatural carnal knowledgeing clue as to where Stone is going to play basketball in November. But we do know he sucks at the ACT.
Well, the latter begets the former, yeah?
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Deonte and Jameel played for Terry Porter Elite, correct? Who was their coach?
Bryan Johnikin.
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Bryan Johnikin.
Is that the same guy that got kicked out of the Dominican/Germ-Town game last year?
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Okay, so he's trying to get a score on the ACT that would meet NCAA requirements, then he will commit to UW? Is that what is being said?
Yes. And it makes sense to me then why he didn't publicly commit. No reason to go through the embarrassment.
Technically every kid that commits in November has not qualified academically. That only happens in June when they graduate and achieve a final GPA and ACT that meets the NCAA minimum standards.
So if Stone wanted to commit in November, at that point he was as academically qualified as the incoming Harvard recruits. Of course the assumption the Harvard recruits will meet the minimum standards is safer than Stone meeting them.
If he doesn't qualify, then want? Europe or the NBDL? So just commit and if you don't qualify, do like Mayo, announce you're going to leave and move on.
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Maybe it is grades. I would just be surprised since it goes against what Bo has done in the past. I am not going to bet on it with you. I just think he will be a Badger. Maybe he is waiting to see what Sam and Nigel are going to do.
First why would a true center (Stone) wait to see what a SF (Nigel) and PF (Dekker) decide to do? He doesn't play their positions, Kaminsky does and Frank is a senior.
Second all college underclassman will probably not make their decision to stay in school /go pro until April. Lots of schools will not hold a spot open that long. I know it's Stone but if he picks another school, those losing schools will be screwed out of a spot/recruit as they probably turned away someone that would have come (and by April will have committed to another school). Waiting to April risks Stone losing some (but not all) desired landing spots.
If I recall something similar happened with Jamil Wilson. I seem to remember he wanted to wait until his late Mother's birthday in late March to commit and lost some possible landing spots as they would not risk losing out (Michigan State?). So Wilson went to Oregon one year and then transferred to MU.
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First why would a true center (Stone) wait to see what a SF (Nigel) and PF (Dekker) decide to do? He doesn't play their positions, Kaminsky does and Frank is a senior.
Second all college underclassman will probably not make their decision to stay in school /go pro until April. Lots of schools will not hold a spot open that long. I know it's Stone but if he picks another school, those losing schools will be screwed out of a spot/recruit as they probably turned away someone that would have come (and by April will have committed to another school). Waiting to April risks Stone losing some (but not all) desired landing spots.
If I recall something similar happened with Jamil Wilson. I seem to remember he wanted to wait until his late Mother's birthday in late March to commit and lost some possible landing spots as they would not risk losing out (Michigan State?). So Wilson went to Oregon one year and then transferred to MU.
i agree with both of your points. however, the only reason i would suspect he'd try to wait and see what n. hayes and s. dekker were going to do is b/c he wants to play with them? still waiting that long(april) would not be real smart due to reasons you mention
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He SAT on the sidelines, so as not to ACT out his displeasure with the process, aina?
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If he doesn't qualify, then want? Europe or the NBDL?
What is this fascination with HS kids going to Europe? They (European teams) don't want them.
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Some of the real good ones go to Europe so they can paid for a year while the wait to be drafted.
For those that can't quailify or don't like school it is an option.
Brandon Jennings did it....and so did Mudiay this year.
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Some of the real good ones go to Europe so they can paid for a year while the wait to be drafted.
For those that can't quailify or don't like school it is an option.
Brandon Jennings did it....and so did Mudiay this year.
Isn't Muiday in China?
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Isn't Muiday in China?
Yeah, MuMark must not have gotten that globe he wanted for xmas.
Mudiay (or as you call him, Muiday) plays for some team called longdong I think. Played 10 games before hurting his ankle. Has been rehabbing there, not yet on the court.. team added Will Bynum and has been rollin nicely.
Mudiay's issue was academix
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Longdong is coached by Won Hung Lo, aina?
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Longdong is coached by Won Hung Lo, aina?
In depth coverage by mike hunt maybe.
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First why would a true center (Stone) wait to see what a SF (Nigel) and PF (Dekker) decide to do? He doesn't play their positions, Kaminsky does and Frank is a senior.
Second all college underclassman will probably not make their decision to stay in school /go pro until April. Lots of schools will not hold a spot open that long. I know it's Stone but if he picks another school, those losing schools will be screwed out of a spot/recruit as they probably turned away someone that would have come (and by April will have committed to another school). Waiting to April risks Stone losing some (but not all) desired landing spots.
If I recall something similar happened with Jamil Wilson. I seem to remember he wanted to wait until his late Mother's birthday in late March to commit and lost some possible landing spots as they would not risk losing out (Michigan State?). So Wilson went to Oregon one year and then transferred to MU.
He could wait and see for the opposite of what you are speculating. He isn't worried about PT with those guys...he may choose Wisconsin if they stay because that would make the Badgers very formidable again.
Personally, I really don't see why he hasn't already signed with us or much less considered us. Him and Henry would be unstoppable.
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Yeah, MuMark must not have gotten that globe he wanted for xmas.
Mudiay (or as you call him, Muiday) plays for some team called longdong I think. Played 10 games before hurting his ankle. Has been rehabbing there, not yet on the court.. team added Will Bynum and has been rollin nicely.
Mudiay's issue was academix
OK China..I stand corrrected but I think the point still stands......some of the elite kids will play in Europe or China or ? to get paid while they wait a year for the NBA draft.
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Technically every kid that commits in November has not qualified academically. That only happens in June when they graduate and achieve a final GPA and ACT that meets the NCAA minimum standards.
Man you can be such a pedant sometimes.
By November, most players have a good understanding of where they are academically even though they haven't officially qualified. They likely have taken their standardized test at least once. They then know what their target GPA needs to be in core courses.
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The same score required by every other school would be required to get him into UW. If he qualifies by NCAA rules, UW would accept him, no doubt about it. They are not the Ivy League, they are not Stanford, no matter what their fan base would like you to believe.
Not all of this is true. Look at why Gary Anderson left to back the Badger's stance on grades.
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It's pretty cool that after four months in this thread not one person has a unnatural carnal knowledgeing clue as to where Stone is going to play basketball in November. But we do know he sucks at the ACT.
He will be a Badger.
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Yeah and I don't think jake is talking out of his a** here. I think once both side feel comfortable with his qualification, that he will end up at UW.
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He will be a Badger.
Crystal Ball says Uconn
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Diamond-Stone-at-Dominican-32128/CurrentExpertPredictions
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Some of the real good ones go to Europe so they can paid for a year while the wait to be drafted.
For those that can't quailify or don't like school it is an option.
Brandon Jennings did it....and so did Mudiay this year.
No Euro team wanted Mudiay. They learned their lesson 6 years ago with Jennings.
They are not willing anymore to invest money in an American who they know is only going to play one year. They make major investments in young European players and sitting them on the bench for a one year commitment from an American is not worth the time and money.
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Crystal Ball says Uconn
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Diamond-Stone-at-Dominican-32128/CurrentExpertPredictions
When Mark Miller changes his prediction from UW, let us know.
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When Mark Miller changes his prediction from UW, let us know.
He did months ago. Did you miss that? Everyone close to the situation knows he is going to be a Badger.
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He did months ago. Did you miss that? Everyone close to the situation knows he is going to be a Badger.
He changed it to UConn...then back to UW.
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He did months ago. Did you miss that? Everyone close to the situation knows he is going to be a Badger.
you may want to learn how to read
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He did months ago. Did you miss that? Everyone close to the situation knows he is going to be a Badger.
He was agreeing with you, lol.
But nothing is decided for Diamond. Anyone saying they know he's going somewhere is lying. Diamond himself doesn't know. Buckle up sports fans, it will be a long ride until Diamond's decision. I expect some twists and turns.
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He did months ago. Did you miss that? Everyone close to the situation knows he is going to be a Badger.
Protip: "From" is not the same as "To."
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He did months ago. Did you miss that? Everyone close to the situation knows he is going to be a Badger.
Nope, I didn't miss it.
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Not all of this is true. Look at why Gary Anderson left to back the Badger's stance on grades.
Hello, I have a bridge to sell you.
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He was agreeing with you, lol.
But nothing is decided for Diamond. Anyone saying they know he's going somewhere is lying. Diamond himself doesn't know. Buckle up sports fans, it will be a long ride until Diamond's decision. I expect some twists and turns.
Still? At this point? If it is grade related, that makes some sense. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Safe to say Badger fans are getting worried. This seemingly "done" recruitment keeps dragging on and TAMU is far from the only one whispering that there may be complications. Looking at how vehemently jakeec disagrees just calls to mind the old "methinks thou dost protest too much" saying. There are issues, and they are sensing it. I don't know where Stone will end up other than to say I'm confident it won't be here, but if it was as cut and dried as Badger fans want everyone to believe, it'd be done already.
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Not all of this is true. Look at why Gary Anderson left to back the Badger's stance on grades.
Sorry JayBee, but your joke about longdong is going to have to settle for second place behind this one.
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you may want to learn how to read
Yea, my mistake.
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Not all of this is true. Look at why Gary Anderson left to back the Badger's stance on grades.
Not all of this is true, Gary Anderson surely didn't leave on his own accord and that statement was fabricated on purpose.
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Stone would have gone to Tosa East. He lives in Tosa and went to public schools through middle school there.
You are correct abut DS going to Tosa Middle school. I was talking about HS.. He was going to go to the best place for BB and get and keep his grades up... MPS schools would not have been the BEST for him, hence he went to Dominican...OK ? ? ?
Jake: The part you bolded was referring to Burton... I guess I wasn't CLEAR enuf in a couple of places in what I wrote.. 8-) 8-)
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Safe to say Badger fans are getting worried. This seemingly "done" recruitment keeps dragging on and TAMU is far from the only one whispering that there may be complications. Looking at how vehemently jakeec disagrees just calls to mind the old "methinks thou dost protest too much" saying. There are issues, and they are sensing it. I don't know where Stone will end up other than to say I'm confident it won't be here, but if it was as cut and dried as Badger fans want everyone to believe, it'd be done already.
The only thing I am whispering is that Diamond hasn't decided yet. Everyone seems to think that its odd that he hasn't committed yet. The kid is just taking his time. Could it be because of grades? Sure. Is it? I have no idea. Personally, I think players ranked in the top 20 commonly wait until the late signing period. If you go by 247, 10 out of the top 18 kids have yet to commit.
I think assuming a kid has bad grades is a move out of a badger fans playbook. Let the kid enjoy his recruitment.
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The only thing I am whispering is that Diamond hasn't decided yet. Everyone seems to think that its odd that he hasn't committed yet. The kid is just taking his time. Could it be because of grades? Sure. Is it? I have no idea. Personally, I think players ranked in the top 20 commonly wait until the late signing period. If you go by 247, 10 out of the top 18 kids have yet to commit.
I think assuming a kid has bad grades is a move out of a badger fans playbook. Let the kid enjoy his recruitment.
But Diamond said he would commit during the November signing period and when that period arrived, his dad told a reporter that he would not commit until spring without offering a reason why.
If the plan was the spring all along, that would have been fine. But the plan seemed to be November and then at the last minute something changed.
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But Diamond said he would commit during the November signing period and when that period arrived, his dad told a reporter that he would not commit until spring without offering a reason why.
If the plan was the spring all along, that would have been fine. But the plan seemed to be November and then at the last minute something changed.
i am baffled by this thread...what the hell do you think changed? could be a million and one things...yet people want to publicly question his grades/ACT scores when they have no clue what is going on. could be he's waiting to see who goes pro, could be he's waiting to see if there are coaching changes, could be he just couldn't make up his mind...
if you have direct knowledge of the situation so be it, but that shouldn't be posted on a public message board anyhow.
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Good Morning guys.
Yesterday I went to see Diamond at Concordia University, they were playing Tosa West.
There were less people than the game at the Al, but not substantially less.
We were sitting behind the team's benches, towards the middle towards the top.
When we sat down we were near a pro-Diamond crowd.
Towards the end of the second quarter, my friend began engaging in discussion with the person next to him.
I got up to use the bathroom, running in to someone I knew, I returned to my seat at the beginning of the fourth quarter.
I could see my friend speaking with the person next to him the entire 3rd quarter.
I was disappointed I didn't see any D1 coaches at the game, at least none I recognized.
Afterwards we went out to dinner at the Highland House.
When we sat at dinner, my friend told me that he was speaking with someone very close to Diamond.
My friend referred to this person as Diamond's "handler", although he didn't know the exact relationship, whether it was his father or grandfather or what, the guy was a black male in his 60s with grayish hair.
He said that they got to talking about the decision-making process.
The man told my friend that at home they have a grid of about ten to fifteen schools with abouttwenty categories, things like coaching staff experience, university life, how the big men interact with coaches...
They go through and discuss each of these items on a regular basis, so this grid is in flux. They will watch a team and then update the grid.
This man told my friend that there is a lot to take in and they are going to take their time making a decision.
The second part of this, is that when we were arriving at Highland House, I ran into Wojo who was leaving.
I was told by the person I ran into at halftime that Wojo was at Concordia earlier in the evening watching Matt Heldt.
So these are my takeaways:
1. Diamond is undecided and taking his time, I give him credit for this, wish I'd done my homework and done the same.
2. Wojo was there to see a signed recruit, but didn't stay to see someone who is undecided.
3. There are games tonight at Concordia 6pm Rice Lake, 7:30pm Neenah
4. There is a big difference between high school and D1 talent
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But Diamond said he would commit during the November signing period and when that period arrived, his dad told a reporter that he would not commit until spring without offering a reason why.
If the plan was the spring all along, that would have been fine. But the plan seemed to be November and then at the last minute something changed.
Pretty sure it is fine either way -- it is not like he owes anything to any of the message board people and he is good at basketball so he will have a place to play when he is ready.
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Pretty sure it is fine either way -- it is not like he owes anything to any of the message board people and he is good at basketball so he will have a place to play when he is ready.
Not sure what that means, but in late October he had a final four (per Diamond) and that was UW, Maryland Uconn and Okla State. He did not commit. Something changed. Sure it can be a million things. But they are basically one thing. He did not like anyone of these four schools in November and could not make a decision.
Oh and Bucky is the one that is not going to "be fine" if Diamond stiffs them.
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2. Wojo was there to see a signed recruit, but didn't stay to see someone who is undecided.
Right. Because DS will not be at Marquette next year. Just because he may be "undecided," that doesn't mean that Marquette is part of the equation.
Not sure what that means, but in late October he had a final four (per Diamond) and that was UW, Maryland Uconn and Okla State. He did not commit. Something changed. Sure it can be a million things. But they are basically one thing. He did not like anyone of these four schools in November and could not make a decision.
Oh and Bucky is the one that is not going to "be fine" if Diamond stiffs them.
It actually may not be true that "he did not like anyone of these four schools in November." He may have liked them all. He may have liked two of them. Who knows?
And UW will be fine without Diamond. One could argue that both Maryland and OSU need him more than UW does.
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Right. Because DS will not be at Marquette next year. Just because he may be "undecided," that doesn't mean that Marquette is part of the equation.
It actually may not be true that "he did not like anyone of these four schools in November." He may have liked them all. He may have liked two of them. Who knows?
And UW will be fine without Diamond. One could argue that both Maryland and OSU need him more than UW does.
What of UConn, the program most people considered a lock to obtain his commitment over the summer?
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Good Morning guys.
Yesterday I went to see Diamond at Concordia University, they were playing Tosa West.
There were less people than the game at the Al, but not substantially less.
We were sitting behind the team's benches, towards the middle towards the top.
When we sat down we were near a pro-Diamond crowd.
Towards the end of the second quarter, my friend began engaging in discussion with the person next to him.
I got up to use the bathroom, running in to someone I knew, I returned to my seat at the beginning of the fourth quarter.
I could see my friend speaking with the person next to him the entire 3rd quarter.
I was disappointed I didn't see any D1 coaches at the game, at least none I recognized.
Afterwards we went out to dinner at the Highland House.
When we sat at dinner, my friend told me that he was speaking with someone very close to Diamond.
My friend referred to this person as Diamond's "handler", although he didn't know the exact relationship, whether it was his father or grandfather or what, the guy was a black male in his 60s with grayish hair.
He said that they got to talking about the decision-making process.
The man told my friend that at home they have a grid of about ten to fifteen schools with abouttwenty categories, things like coaching staff experience, university life, how the big men interact with coaches...
They go through and discuss each of these items on a regular basis, so this grid is in flux. They will watch a team and then update the grid.
This man told my friend that there is a lot to take in and they are going to take their time making a decision.
The second part of this, is that when we were arriving at Highland House, I ran into Wojo who was leaving.
I was told by the person I ran into at halftime that Wojo was at Concordia earlier in the evening watching Matt Heldt.
So these are my takeaways:
1. Diamond is undecided and taking his time, I give him credit for this, wish I'd done my homework and done the same.
2. Wojo was there to see a signed recruit, but didn't stay to see someone who is undecided.
3. There are games tonight at Concordia 6pm Rice Lake, 7:30pm Neenah
4. There is a big difference between high school and D1 talent
How was the food? Always liked their chicken.
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Bear in mind... UK only has 3 commits right now. However, they certainly have more than 3 players headed to the NBA draft next year (read: more schollies are going to be available), yet there is no telling right now who might stay another year. That, however, should start to firm up over the next several weeks as scouts, players, handlers and Cal can fully evaluate the players & their options. I would guess that by mid-February, Cal is going to know exactly who is going to the draft, who is returning, and can finalize the rest of his class knowing how many schollies he is going to have and which positions he needs to fill.
Not to say that DS has his heart set on UK - or is even a UK target for that matter - but until the dominoes in Lexington fall, DS may not know exactly where his options stand, and so it would be a good idea to keep his recruitment open a bit longer. Same thing typically happens in baseball free agency... all of the upper echelon FAs wait (and to a certain extent, the big payroll teams) for the top player at their position to sign, then the rest will sign.
With Calipari's game-changing system at UK, this is simply the new reality with the elite recruits -- those who really don't care about where they go (so long as they get the pro-scout exposure they're looking for) are not going to sign until spring.
Moral of Story: There is nothing strange about the fact that DS has not yet committed. The only thing this does say is that he is going to a blue-blood program for the sole purpose of prepping for the NBA. Sadly, that is not UW.
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But Diamond said he would commit during the November signing period and when that period arrived, his dad told a reporter that he would not commit until spring without offering a reason why.
If the plan was the spring all along, that would have been fine. But the plan seemed to be November and then at the last minute something changed.
So what? Did you write the book on recruiting and what is and isn't acceptable?
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But Diamond said he would commit during the November signing period and when that period arrived, his dad told a reporter that he would not commit until spring without offering a reason why.
If the plan was the spring all along, that would have been fine. But the plan seemed to be November and then at the last minute something changed.
I think you overestimate the reliability of teenage boys. This happens all the time. Jaylen Brown and Malik Newman announced they would have final 5 lists by September. Still no updates. Briscoe was supposed to commit in the summer but ended up waiting until November. Blakeney committed to Louisville then backed out a week later. These are teenage boys. Just because they don't meet an arbitrary deadline that they placed doesn't mean something sinister is going on. It could be something sinister, but none of us know that.
All I know is that if Diamond doesn't go to Wisconsin, Badger fans everywhere will be bashing the kid for not having high enough grades to get into Madison. I'd rather not stoop to their level.
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Not sure what that means, but in late October he had a final four (per Diamond) and that was UW, Maryland Uconn and Okla State. He did not commit. Something changed. Sure it can be a million things. But they are basically one thing. He did not like anyone of these four schools in November and could not make a decision.
Oh and Bucky is the one that is not going to "be fine" if Diamond stiffs them.
11/16 of the remaining unsigned ESPN 100 recruits had announced a final 3-7 by the time of the early signing period and still didn't commit. Even if you have a final list, it doesn't mean you are ready to pick your school yet.
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I think you overestimate the reliability of teenage boys. This happens all the time. Jaylen Brown and Malik Newman announced they would have final 5 lists by September. Still no updates. Briscoe was supposed to commit in the summer but ended up waiting until November. Blakeney committed to Louisville then backed out a week later. These are teenage boys. Just because they don't meet an arbitrary deadline that they placed doesn't mean something sinister is going on. It could be something sinister, but none of us know that.
All I know is that if Diamond doesn't go to Wisconsin, Badger fans everywhere will be bashing the kid for not having high enough grades to get into Madison. I'd rather not stoop to their level.
Yeah this definitely wreaks of a "didn't have the grades" setup by badger fans if he goes elsewhere. So pathetic.
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I Googled the phrase "Diamond Stone Basketball"
https://www.google.com/search?q=marquette+basketball&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=diamond+stone+basketball
Here are the top four links (in order)
Diamond Stone - Basketball Recruiting - Player Profiles ...
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/145063/diamond-stone
Diamond Stone - 247Sports
http://247sports.com/Player/Diamond-Stone-20022
Paint Touches | Tag Archive | Diamond Stone
http://painttouches.com/tag/diamond-stone/
Hangin' at the Al - MUScoop
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?board=2.0
Yes, I know he's not coming to MU. But google sorts links based on activity ... so which school is showing him the most love?
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I think you overestimate the reliability of teenage boys. This happens all the time. Jaylen Brown and Malik Newman announced they would have final 5 lists by September. Still no updates. Briscoe was supposed to commit in the summer but ended up waiting until November. Blakeney committed to Louisville then backed out a week later. These are teenage boys. Just because they don't meet an arbitrary deadline that they placed doesn't mean something sinister is going on. It could be something sinister, but none of us know that.
All I know is that if Diamond doesn't go to Wisconsin, Badger fans everywhere will be bashing the kid for not having high enough grades to get into Madison. I'd rather not stoop to their level.
TAMU, I hear you but see below. I don't follow recruiting as closely as you but this seems unusual. To have this much fanfare for a decision in two weeks and then noting. It smacks of "something changing" and while we don't know what, grades/eligibility is a reasonable guess.
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Set in Stone? Five-star center closing in on decision
Sporting News
November 6, 2014
By Brian Flinn
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2014-11-06/diamond-stone-decision-date-wisconsin-maryland-uconn-ok-state-scouting-report
With early signing period just around the corner, it seems as though a number of high profile recruits will be holding off on making a decision until the spring. That being said, at least one five-star recruit will be announcing his decision, and it's a big one.
Diamond Stone tweeted out on Wednesday that he will be making his college decision on Nov. 21. The date is actually two days after the early signing period ends, so it is clear that he's ready to wrap up the recruitment process and settle on a team.
With his final list comprised of UConn, Maryland, Wisconsin and Oklahoma State, Stone is ready to hear the final pitches from all four programs before ultimately making a decision. Stone started the visit process by heading to Oklahoma State on the weekend of Oct. 10. He then headed to Maryland during the Terrapins' midnight madness festivities the following weekend. Stone visited Wisconsin the weekend of the 24th and followed that up with visiting the defending national champion Huskies this past weekend.
Kevin Ollie and assistant coach Ricky Moore visited the Stones in their home on Tuesday night, no doubt to further cement the fact that he is, in fact, their biggest priority in this class.
And this was tweeted November 5...
@Diamond_Stone33 November 21st I will make my college decision
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I Googled the phrase "Diamond Stone Basketball"
https://www.google.com/search?q=marquette+basketball&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=diamond+stone+basketball
Here are the top four links (in order)
Diamond Stone - Basketball Recruiting - Player Profiles ...
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/145063/diamond-stone
Diamond Stone - 247Sports
http://247sports.com/Player/Diamond-Stone-20022
Paint Touches | Tag Archive | Diamond Stone
http://painttouches.com/tag/diamond-stone/
Hangin' at the Al - MUScoop
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?board=2.0
Yes, I know he's not coming to MU. But google sorts links based on activity ... so which school is showing him the most love?
Ummmm..... doesn't google also sort based on your activity and location? Were you ever curious why you keep getting those google ads for the new one direction album after you searched for their new album?
ETA: Even so, your link had Marquette in it. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=diamond+stone+basketball Bucky 5th Quarter comes up first before MuScoop for my at this link.
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Ummmm..... doesn't google also sort based on your activity and location? Were you ever curious why you keep getting those google ads for the new one direction album after you searched for their new album?
ETA: Even so, your link had Marquette in it. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=diamond+stone+basketball Bucky 5th Quarter comes up first before MuScoop for my at this link.
Yes I know that. Yo must be in Wisconsin, I am not.
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Ummmm..... doesn't google also sort based on your activity and location? Were you ever curious why you keep getting those google ads for the new one direction album after you searched for their new album?
ETA: Even so, your link had Marquette in it. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=diamond+stone+basketball Bucky 5th Quarter comes up first before MuScoop for my at this link.
same here. 5th quarter was #4, PaintTouches #9, Scoop wasn't on page 1 or 2 and i refuse to be the first person in internet history to click on page 3 of a Google search
edit = i'm in Kansas City
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Right. Because DS will not be at Marquette next year. Just because he may be "undecided," that doesn't mean that Marquette is part of the equation.
Yep. The fact Stone was playing minutes from Wojo's house, Wojo was already there earlier to watch Heldt, and then left before Stone's game to catch dinner at the Highland House pretty much says all you need to know.
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Yep. The fact Stone was playing minutes from Wojo's house, Wojo was already there earlier to watch Heldt, and then left before Stone's game to catch dinner at the Highland House pretty much says all you need to know.
Unless they are teaming up to pull the wool over everyone's eyes...
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I do not subscribe but I heard that a solid poster on the IWB premium board says he coming to MU.
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But google sorts links based on activity ... so which school is showing him the most love?
Not really - maybe back in the old days.
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I do not subscribe but I heard that a solid poster on the IWB premium board says he coming to MU.
That's an oxymoron.
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I do not subscribe but I heard that a solid poster on the IWB premium board says he coming to MU.
Any movement on Flight Tracker? #DoneDeal
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I do not subscribe but I heard that a solid poster on the IWB premium board says he coming to MU.
#donedeal
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Good Morning guys.
Yesterday I went to see Diamond at Concordia University, they were playing Tosa West.
There were less people than the game at the Al, but not substantially less.
We were sitting behind the team's benches, towards the middle towards the top.
When we sat down we were near a pro-Diamond crowd.
Towards the end of the second quarter, my friend began engaging in discussion with the person next to him.
I got up to use the bathroom, running in to someone I knew, I returned to my seat at the beginning of the fourth quarter.
I could see my friend speaking with the person next to him the entire 3rd quarter.
I was disappointed I didn't see any D1 coaches at the game, at least none I recognized.
Afterwards we went out to dinner at the Highland House.
When we sat at dinner, my friend told me that he was speaking with someone very close to Diamond.
My friend referred to this person as Diamond's "handler", although he didn't know the exact relationship, whether it was his father or grandfather or what, the guy was a black male in his 60s with grayish hair.
He said that they got to talking about the decision-making process.
The man told my friend that at home they have a grid of about ten to fifteen schools with abouttwenty categories, things like coaching staff experience, university life, how the big men interact with coaches...
They go through and discuss each of these items on a regular basis, so this grid is in flux. They will watch a team and then update the grid.
This man told my friend that there is a lot to take in and they are going to take their time making a decision.
The second part of this, is that when we were arriving at Highland House, I ran into Wojo who was leaving.
I was told by the person I ran into at halftime that Wojo was at Concordia earlier in the evening watching Matt Heldt.
So these are my takeaways:
1. Diamond is undecided and taking his time, I give him credit for this, wish I'd done my homework and done the same.
2. Wojo was there to see a signed recruit, but didn't stay to see someone who is undecided.
3. There are games tonight at Concordia 6pm Rice Lake, 7:30pm Neenah
4. There is a big difference between high school and D1 talent
Very interesting report. Glad to hear the family is thinking this through in a thoughtful way. I still think that we have a chance to recruit Diamond. We offer a lot of positives as a school that are important to parents . In addition. If Luke continues to perform well, I think that will speak volumes to our staff's ability to coach Bigs which the Stone family has consistently said is important. Also Duane's success and leadership role will be a big factor. Your point 4 is a very good one.
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Yep. The fact Stone was playing minutes from Wojo's house, Wojo was already there earlier to watch Heldt, and then left before Stone's game to catch dinner at the Highland House pretty much says all you need to know.
I can't blame Wojo for dining at the Highland House. mmmm....highland house.
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I wanted to add one more thing to the post I wrote yesterday but originally forgot to include it. My friend asked the person he was speaking with about Duane Wilson and if Duane factored into the decision at all. The "handler" (I don't like the term but will use it here anyways) said that "Duane is his own person" and (I'm paraphrasing here) that you can't make decisions based on other people.
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I do not subscribe but I heard that a solid poster on the IWB premium board says he coming to MU.
That's not what was said.
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That's not what was said.
Ok. I had a friend text me that "so and so" posted a MU insider told him Stone to MU. I recognized the poster from long ago on Dodds / Ahoya as a level headed guy who usually had good info on MU admin (not hoops but admin, inner workings, planning).
I don't feel like posting the posters handle bc I don't pay for IWB. I figure what I'm doing now is a good advertisement / tease for IWB.
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Set in Stone? Five-star center closing in on decision
Sporting News
November 6, 2014
By Brian Flinn
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2014-11-06/diamond-stone-decision-date-wisconsin-maryland-uconn-ok-state-scouting-report
Diamond Stone tweeted out on Wednesday that he will be making his college decision on Nov. 21. The date is actually two days after the early signing period ends, so it is clear that he's ready to wrap up the recruitment process and settle on a team.
@Diamond_Stone33 November 21st I will make my college decision
BTW, this was idiotic. If you were ready to wrap up the "recruitment process and settle on a team", you'd do so during the early signing period and sign, I'm really a badger fanl?
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I can't blame Wojo for dining at the Highland House. mmmm....highland house.
With the bread he makes, cat shoulda chowded down at Joey Gerard's, aina?
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BTW, this was idiotic. If you were ready to wrap up the "recruitment process and settle on a team", you'd do so during the early signing period and sign, I'm really a badger fanl?
I agree
The larger point is in early November he said the decision was going to be November 21 (even though it was two days after the signing period ended). Then on Nov 21, no decision, no explanation, silence. Only days later did his dad say they needed more time. No reason was given (he doesn't have to give one).
After this don't attack those that think he's picking another school not previously mentioned (UK? MU?) or he has problem with grades. This sequence begs many to think this is the case.
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I can't blame Wojo for dining at the Highland House. mmmm....highland house.
Bet you get wood over the Chancery too, aina?
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Bet you get wood over the Chancery too, aina?
Wojo shoulda played here, coulda hit some Millie's Spaghetti Factory.
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That's not what was said.
So, what was said? Or is this just a tease?
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Bet you get wood over the Chancery too, aina?
Took a few broads on dates there back in school. There was some dish I loved.. forgot what it was.
Whatever was in their drinks helped me close some deals. Thanks, Chancery!
Also.. re: Diamond.. last time I thought about it (long ago), UCONN made a lot of sense to me. But, no idea. I do think he's a tremendous talent and a potential face of a program.
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So, what was said? Or is this just a tease?
He clarified it.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44640.msg682541#msg682541
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So, what was said? Or is this just a tease?
Stuff shared on premium boards should stay there or out undermines the purpose of the board.
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Stuff shared on premium boards should stay there or out undermines the purpose of the board.
Yeah, you know there's a reason people pay for that premium board. They are privy to things like #donedeal
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Took a few broads on dates there back in school. There was some dish I loved.. forgot what it was.
I'm pretty confident you didn't love any of the dishes you took to Chancery. You just told them you did.
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Stuff shared on premium boards should stay there or out undermines the purpose of the board.
Who the f uck cares if it undermines a collection of ill-informed rumors? #donedeal
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Took a few broads on dates there
What, back in your Rat Pack days when you were runnin' with The Sammer, Dino, Joey, and The Chairman of the Board?
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Yeah, you know there's a reason people pay for that premium board. They are privy to things like #donedeal
"A fool and his money are easily parted..."
~Dr. John Bridges, Defence of the Government of the Church of England
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What, back in your Rat Pack days when you were runnin' with The Sammer, Dino, Joey, and The Chairman of the Board?
Exactly!
Jaybee, did you go to MU in the Tex Winters era?
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Stuff shared on premium boards should stay there or out undermines the purpose of the board.
done deal
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Yeah, you know there's a reason people pay for that premium board. They are privy to things like #donedeal
It doesn't matter if it's that board or Dodds or a 247 board or any pay-for-content site. The pay wall is there for a reason. If you have any respect for the provider of the content, you shouldn't be sharing it publicly. And if you share it publicly the provider often would (and I'd argue should) ban the person who is stealing from them.
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Exactly!
Jaybee, did you go to MU in the Tex Winters era?
No, but I think 4never was. I was chillin with KO.
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I wonder if Stone was watching the game vs. Depaul.
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Is DePaul on his list of final schools?
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No, but I think 4never was. I was chillin with KO.
KO!
"broads" went out of style decades before you were born.
Do you give them pantyhose and chocolate bars on your first date?
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Is DePaul on his list of final schools?
No, but reading things here he's going to Marquette now.
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No, but reading things here he's going to Marquette now.
Congrats on the bowl win today.
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No, but reading things here he's going to Marquette now.
I'm not putting stock in any of that yet, but what would your reaction be if that did happen? Do you think Badger nation would see that as more an indictment of Stone or Bo's recruiting?
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I'm not putting stock in any of that yet, but what would your reaction be if that did happen? Do you think Badger nation would see that as more an indictment of Stone or Bo's recruiting?
Vadger nation would cry foul and that there was some sort of recruiting violation.
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Marquette will be fine with Fischer and Henry Ellenson manning the 5-4 spots with Heldt in reserve. If Wojo can add another piece or two (PG and SF)
this spring, this could be a very good team, as early as next year.
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No, but reading things here he's going to Marquette now.
Good lord. No. One poster said he heard it somewhere. People hear things all the time.
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No, but reading things here he's going to Marquette now.
I bet you can find all sorts of incorrect things to read on Scoop. ;D
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I bet you can find all sorts of incorrect things to read on Scoop. ;D
True. You can read every possible position on a topic. Diamond: he's coming to MU. He's not coming to MU. One position will be correct! Lol
Is there a Scooper who actually knows with certainty what Diamond will do? Hmm
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Is there a Scooper who actually knows with certainty what Diamond will do? Hmm
I can guarantee 100% that barring catastrophic injury Diamond will play at a higher level than Dominican ;D
Marquette, Wisconsin, UConn, Europe, China, NBADL, NBA, who knows, but I have no doubt of the statement above ;)
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Two projections on 24/7 have shifted to Wisconsin in the last week.
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Two projections on 24/7 have shifted to Wisconsin in the last week.
Gave Wisky a soft verbal but can not get into school yet, needs a better ACT score
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Two projections on 24/7 have shifted to Wisconsin in the last week.
Gave Wisky a soft verbal but can not get into school yet, needs a better ACT score
So when he squeeks in do you think Badger fans will finally admit that grades don't actually matter to Bo and Wisconsin? I wonder what the spin will be.
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Gave Wisky a soft verbal but can not get into school yet, needs a better ACT score
Can't they just hire the geeky girl with the coke bottle glasses that took Derek Rose's ACT test?
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So when he squeeks in do you think Badger fans will finally admit that grades don't actually matter to Bo and Wisconsin? I wonder what the spin will be.
Nope. They'll just ignore it and pretend everything is copacetic.
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Nope. They'll just ignore it and pretend everything is copacetic.
I actually asked my friend (UW fan) this exactly, and his response was, "not out loud".
Perfect response.
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Gave Wisky a soft verbal but can not get into school yet, needs a better ACT score
How do you know this
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How do you know this
I have sources, time to find a point guard
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How do you know this
Also 2 members this week of 247 stated Wisconsin as well including Jerry Meyers and Mark Miller they have sources as well
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Y'all, I've heard somethin' similar, minus the silent verbal.
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Y'all, I've heard somethin' similar, minus the silent verbal.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
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How do you know this
Hooper has good scoop on tthis in my opinion
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So, at the end of last season, MU is in a decent spot to land Stone, but has been eliminated by Ellenson who is looking hard at Wisconsin. Buzz leaves, Wojo gets on board and MU gets into the picture for Ellenson, then lands him while Stone looks elsewhere and now appears headed to Wisconsin. I'll gladly take that swap, and I'm not even on the BOT!
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So, at the end of last season, MU is in a decent spot to land Stone, but has been eliminated by Ellenson who is looking hard at Wisconsin. Buzz leaves, Wojo gets on board and MU gets into the picture for Ellenson, then lands him while Stone looks elsewhere and now appears headed to Wisconsin. I'll gladly take that swap, and I'm not even on the BOT!
I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. Can't wait for HE to arrive.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_axNHyzV4TeY/TLCvEMmYgkI/AAAAAAAACqU/79cEfvynqVM/s400/tax+cuts+b.jpg)
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Watching Diamond in action on TV tonight. He's got 19 with five minutes left. (Come on Angels!)
But I didn't come here to talk Diamond, since that ship has sailed. We need to get on his teammate Kostas Antetenkounmpo, otherwise known as Giannis's brother. He's only a junior but has got tons of length and a lot of potential.
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I saw him Giannis's brother at the Concordia tourney. He didn't start. Barely played and looked uncomfortable.
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I saw him Giannis's brother at the Concordia tourney. He didn't start. Barely played and looked uncomfortable.
If he wants to stay in the states, he'll probably want to stay close to his brother. Maybe Giannis pays for him to walk on for at least one year at MU. If the light starts to go on, that could work out well. With no further development, he'll probably still get an offer from Wisconsin-Milwaukee based on potential alone.
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If he wants to stay in the states, he'll probably want to stay close to his brother. Maybe Giannis pays for him to walk on for at least one year at MU. If the light starts to go on, that could work out well. With no further development, he'll probably still get an offer from Wisconsin-Milwaukee based on potential alone.
I think he would be worth a flyer. We have 13 scholarships, I would use 1 of those on developmental prospects with good upside. His brother fits that mold extremely well.
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Dominican has some real size with 6'10" Stone, 6'8" Garrison Goode and 6'7" Kostas off the bench playing alongside them.
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If he wants to stay in the states, he'll probably want to stay close to his brother. Maybe Giannis pays for him to walk on for at least one year at MU. If the light starts to go on, that could work out well. With no further development, he'll probably still get an offer from Wisconsin-Milwaukee based on potential alone.
Maybe Wojo will adopt him, aina?
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Maybe Wojo will adopt him, aina?
Maybe OJ will pay for Toddler to head back to MU.
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Bumping this thread mostly so I can post this video of St. Catherine's (alma matter of Jim Chones, Jim Mac, and Jake Thomas) beating Dominican last night on a buzzer beater. The Angels' center Kelly Thomas (not sure if he's related to Jake) juked Diamond to get the game winning shot off. Go Angels!
http://www.jsonline.com/multimedia/video/?bcpid=3520693903001&bckey=AQ%7e%7e,AAAAAGgk8Us%7e,dLqgruaIT6p_icq_YGXwsOjIKn7Fafen&bctid=4070865482001&ipad=y
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Bumping this thread mostly so I can post this video of St. Catherine's (alma matter of Jim Chones, Jim Mac, and Jake Thomas) beating Dominican last night on a buzzer beater. The Angels' center Kelly Thomas (not sure if he's related to Jake) juked Diamond to get the game winning shot off. Go Angels!
http://www.jsonline.com/multimedia/video/?bcpid=3520693903001&bckey=AQ%7e%7e,AAAAAGgk8Us%7e,dLqgruaIT6p_icq_YGXwsOjIKn7Fafen&bctid=4070865482001&ipad=y
Good call, I would assume there would be some relation to Jake given that Jake also went to Racine St. Cat's, if I remember correctly.
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No relation
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Diamond Stone Interview Sunday night at 10 on Milwaukee Channel 4.
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Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247 4m4 minutes ago
Hearing it will be a really close call. RT @MKEWalnut: @jerrymeyer247 but will stone qualify for school?
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he should just go play in China
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Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247 4m4 minutes ago
Hearing it will be a really close call. RT @MKEWalnut: @jerrymeyer247 but will stone qualify for school?
That dumb, eh?
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That dumb, eh?
Stay classy.
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Stay classy.
Yeah, don't think we need that. Definitely wouldn't be insulting his intelligence here if he were still considering MU.
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Stay classy.
Yeah probably uncalled for, but it is sort of sad.
And the MU ship sailed longggg longggg longggg ago.
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Hey guys that's RACIST!
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there's nothing wrong with china earl ;)
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Yeah probably uncalled for, but it is sort of sad.
And the MU ship sailed longggg longggg longggg ago.
Especially considering the players Marquette has accepted. The only difference is they went to a bogus high school to inflate their grades for a year to qualify. Ask yourself, would you put effort into academics if you were Diamond Stone? He'll be laughing in two years.
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Especially considering the players Marquette has accepted. The only difference is they went to a bogus high school to inflate their grades for a year to qualify. Ask yourself, would you put effort into academics if you were Diamond Stone? He'll be laughing in two years.
Except
1) you can take ACT help seminars...which I would hope Stone would look into simple tricks to guess his way to a 20.
2) You can take the ACT as many times as you want...which I would assume he has been doing
Which makes you conclude that Stone isn't very bright. I don't give a crap personally but let's not get offended when someone points it out. It's not a rash conclusion.
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Especially considering the players Marquette has accepted. The only difference is they went to a bogus high school to inflate their grades for a year to qualify. Ask yourself, would you put effort into academics if you were Diamond Stone? He'll be laughing in two years.
Would I? Absolutely, because if I was too dumb to graduate high school or get an NCAA qualifying score on my ACT, I would have minimal confidence in my ability to manage any wealth I was able to accumulate playing basketball for a few years. Being educated counts. Just ask all the former althletes that thought they were too cool for school because they're gonna make millions, but found themselves broke and without any marketable skills by age 40.
Not at all insinuating that is the case with DS. I don't know him from Adam, and he is likely to be a very successful player in the NBA and make far more money than I ever will.
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I find it real ironic how the Vadger fans, who are all about academics and having higher standards than every other school including Northwestern are going to welcome Stone with open arms.
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Wonder if even Silver Warrior could help this dude, hey?
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Especially considering the players Marquette has accepted. The only difference is they went to a bogus high school to inflate their grades for a year to qualify. Ask yourself, would you put effort into academics if you were Diamond Stone? He'll be laughing in two years.
I didn't know he already had a guaranteed NBA contract.
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What is the expectation? Uconn, Bucky, Okla St or Maryland (his listed final four)
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What is the expectation? Uconn, Bucky, Okla St or Maryland (his listed final four)
What about China, Senegal, and Bakersfield?
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What is the expectation? Uconn, Bucky, Okla St or Maryland (his listed final four)
If he goes the college route, my gut right now says Maryland.