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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: lurch91 on August 29, 2008, 01:08:46 PM
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The last thing you want is the pub that your school can party, all it does is cause chancellors and the like (Sherry Coe P!) to try and stop it. MU is in decent shape b/c it's really under-rated as a party school but the dewindling number of bars + lack of FFP + too many smart kids is slowly eroding that under-ratedness. One my favorite memories of college was a UW buddy coming to visit, he passed out at the foot of the keg at 10pm. We just put a sign on him that said...Madison, that School can Party!...People had to step over him the rest of the night to get their beer.
At UW they get rewarded b/c a few frats will have 30 kegs one weekend. Congrats you have 35,000 undergrads. Who cares that Triangle (@UW) built a keg cooling room, big deal, enjoy drinking with engineers all night.
At MU the weekend began with a Lakefront Tour, was amped up with a happy hour, sustained at a party, carried on at a bar, continued at an after-bars and then finished at the Harp at 6am. Noboday does it like MU.
When ANY Badger party hits 100 kegs, is dj'ed by a radio station, then get mentioned in the paper for public disturbance (or some other nonsense), call me (Yes, I was there and was in PKT). One of the best nights of my life.
Any campus that has pre-parties for parties, is the home of naked beer slides and has a Gyro stand within walking distance wins any arguement in my book.
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enjoy drinking with engineers all night.
If you really think drinking with engineers is boring, then you've been drinking with the wrong engineers ;)
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Went to a party at MU's Delta Chi "house" once...the disco ball was enough to make sure I never came back.
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Back in the day it was all you could drink at Lakefront...sounds like some people took advantage of that of it. :)
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Went to a party at MU's Delta Chi "house" once...the disco ball was enough to make sure I never came back.
Delta Chi wasn't the Engineers fraternity.
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delta chi once, delta chi twice, wholly jumpin Jesus Christ
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delta chi? I completely understand why you went once and never went back. A couple of my fraternity brothers went to their house once and walked out with the keg, half full.
The good parties were at 2427 west Kilbourn
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delta chi? I completely understand why you went once and never went back. A couple of my fraternity brothers went to their house once and walked out with the keg, half full.
The good parties were at 2427 west Kilbourn
I would get upset about your theft of our beer but I try not to be bothered by things that happend before i was born, old man. We have a new house, i beleive the newest on campus (bringing our count to two). How's sigeps doing?
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The good parties were at 2427 west Kilbourn
Were they? Sure if you wanted to get mugged on the way back to campus.
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Not to be that guy....but honestly who was in a frat at MU???....LAME
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Not to be that guy....but honestly who was in a frat at MU???....LAME
There were fraternities at Marquette?
(OK, so maybe this should have been teal.)
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Not to be that guy....but honestly who was in a frat at MU???....LAME
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Frats at MU: Engi-nerds in hockey jerseys and dork caddies
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You guys sound like the kid who couldn't get a date to the dance - "Who wants to go to a stupid dance anyway, bunch of engineer nerds".
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or maybe they, and myself feel that we don't need to be in the few frats on campus because we are able to network without them...I know a lot of kids in the frats on campus. They're nice people and have their reasons for being in them. I personally feel that they are most important as a way to network with people/build your resume, and possibly help out the community around you. I am able to do those things without joining a frat so I see it, personally, as something not that useful. Frat life isn't that common on MU's campus, sigep, and many people could give a rat's @ss about the frats.
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MarqPTM was heavily recruited by Triangle Frat hahaha. He politely declined as he should have.
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Frats at MU: Engineers in hockey jerseys and dork caddies
Yeah MUwarrior87 this guy really sounded like he was trying to express those things....
Since Reinko has no idea on what being in a frat means I'll help him out.
As an alumni i've:
Some of bacherlor parties i've been to:
Road trips to winsor and Memphis.
Flew to pheonix for spring training, vegas numerous times, austin for the city limits festival.
Rented RV's and drove to the Kentucky durby
Future party in the works: Cannonball run to Tijuana
All of it with at 16-30 guys with us. At least 15 weddings. On an yearly basis we have an annual trip to vegas, a christmas party with booze and cocktail girls, trip to lake front after a game, touch football game, fantasy football draft and golf outing. All things that happen every year, well attended. I'm 5 years out of school, and still remain close ties with a lot of people through organized yearly events that you know will happen. It also means if i drop off the radar for a few years i'll still know what is going on. Very few people who were not in a frat maintain contact the level of contact and thus relive college experiences at the same level.
I'm not saying anything bad about those who didn't but understand that it does provide a lot of people with a lot of opportunities for fun and building friendships, which is really the point.
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It's a lot easier to build those extremely strong relationships Rawdog when everyone in the house is spooning each other every night. ;)
HEAVILY recruited by Triangle. GROSS.
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Fraternity brothers…the best friends $300 a semester can buy
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Yeah... if you have to join a frat to make friends on a college campus that's a bad sign.
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Ok this thread is a little rediculous.
I am a former SigEp as well. In no way did I need to "buy my friends" I have just as many, if not more friends from outside the fraternity as from inside of it. I did it for a different experience and I am glad I did it. It builds charachter and you do build great friendships and it is great for networking, even OUTSIDE of Marquette. I got 3 interviews from people I did not even know just because they were SigEp alumni. I would like to see that happen to all of you ripping on fraternity members for not being able to network on their own. If you are intellegent about it you can network both ways and get the best of both worlds.
I had a great time at Marquette. Many of my great times were with the fratenity people, but just as many were with my other friends. Just being in a fraternity does not make you the tool that many people here are making you out to be. People have different reasons for ding things, I chose it for the experience. Lets stop ripping on people. You make your college experience what you want to make it. No use ripping on people. If you make the most of your college opprotunity everybody wins. Fraternitys are not all bad.
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Can we please move this to the superbar. Not about gameday anymore.
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.. After my wife has me watching the show "Greek" .. I'm totally kicking myself for not joining a frat!
That Cappy .. my hero.
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Back in the day it was all you could drink at Lakefront...sounds like some people took advantage of that of it. :)
<--- my record was 8 glasses during the tour... all of it was Eastside Dark... you know... the diesel.
my friends record was 12.
regardless, it was awesome.
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Yeah MUwarrior87 this guy really sounded like he was trying to express those things....
Since Reinko has no idea on what being in a frat means I'll help him out.
As an alumni i've:
Some of bacherlor parties i've been to:
Road trips to winsor and Memphis.
Flew to pheonix for spring training, vegas numerous times, austin for the city limits festival.
Rented RV's and drove to the Kentucky durby
Future party in the works: Cannonball run to Tijuana
All of it with at 16-30 guys with us. At least 15 weddings. On an yearly basis we have an annual trip to vegas, a christmas party with booze and cocktail girls, trip to lake front after a game, touch football game, fantasy football draft and golf outing. All things that happen every year, well attended. I'm 5 years out of school, and still remain close ties with a lot of people through organized yearly events that you know will happen. It also means if i drop off the radar for a few years i'll still know what is going on. Very few people who were not in a frat maintain contact the level of contact and thus relive college experiences at the same level.
I'm not saying anything bad about those who didn't but understand that it does provide a lot of people with a lot of opportunities for fun and building friendships, which is really the point.
*golfclap* you have lived your life and I have lived mine... except I didn't pay for my friends, they liked me and like me for who I am, not my affiliation.
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<--- my record was 8 glasses during the tour... all of it was Eastside Dark... you know... the diesel.
my friends record was 12.
regardless, it was awesome.
thanks for ruining it for everyone else ;)
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lol, if a bank starts handing out $5 bills, you pick that crap up.
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Hards you've got no clue. Being in a fraternity doesn't mean you pay for friends, your dues pay for beer. I was social chair my junior year, and one of my duties was to call City Sales on Monday: they would deliver 2 kegs on Tuesday morning, carrying them off the truck and put them into our cooler. They would deliver another 3 kegs on Friday. Even at 1980 prices, the beer total added up.
I guess though, in a sense we did buy friends. There were always a lot of women at our house, party night or not - not sure if it was the beer or the good looking brothers.......
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you cant have kegs at frat houses anymore, so their parties are pretty lame, I know chuncken is pissed at me now. ;)
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exactly.
I don't know how to break it to you SigEp80, but... its... not... 1980 anymore.
When was the last time you went to a SigEp party at MU?
I would venture a guess that it wasn't in the last 10 years.
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Not to pile on or anything but when I was at MU (1998-2002) joining a frat wasn't the "cool" thing to do...in fact, most of the guys I knew that joined frats (with the exception of 1) we're pretty much d-bags...sorry, just MHO.
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What? Not in 2008. They're all cool, like Cappy and Spitter.
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I obviously haven't been to a frat party at MU, or anywhere, in a long time.
Some writers above stated that frats were "lame", and only engin'nerds or folks desperate for friends joined a fraternity, and at least in my experience that was not true.
There were certain years that the fraternity's were very popular, and as others posted above, it was a very fulfilling experience that resulted in lifelong friendships.
Don't knock it just because it wasn't the right thing for you - didn't you learn anything from your Jesuit education?
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I I got 3 interviews from people I did not even know just because they were SigEp alumni. I would like to see that happen to all of you ripping on fraternity members for not being able to network on their own.
If you only got the interviews because of your frat, you didn't really network "on your own."
Not saying, just saying.
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I got those interviews because of the fraternity. I got other interviews based on other networks. So yes I did network on my own
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I didn't go to Marquette, however at UW-Platteville(where I did go, or do go, I don't know what to call it now that I am student teaching), frats were lame. They preyed on freshman to join, and really had nothing to offer. I don't knock anyone for joining a fraternity, I just was never interested. I believe the problem with frats come from the members(not all, but some) who have nothing else to bring to a conversation but what their fraternity is doing. Honestly, I could give a crap what your last function was, or who did what(honestly, whats the point of calling them by their "frat" name to a guy who isn't part of that circle, just call them by their real name). Playing rugby on campus, a lot of what I was doing had to do with rugby, it took up a lot of time out of my day, sort of like a fraternity, yet when I was finished with rugby, I didn't talk about it to others, unless they asked, I used people skills and my social skills to network with others outside of my inner circle. So to clear it up, I have no problem with people who join a fraternity, however there are those who join a frat and lean and use that frat for all its worth, and lose everything else that makes the person unique and interesting to talk to.
Fraternities can be a positive experience for some people, and just not something for others. No reason to name call each other on here, just stupid.
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*golfclap* you have lived your life and I have lived mine... except I didn't pay for my friends, they liked me and like me for who I am, not my affiliation.
What ever, if you had been in a frat you'd know the difference between the ones you like because of a similar affiliation. The money we pay goes to doing fun things. You knwo the things you wanted to do but didn't because you couldn't get your 'friends' to do it. My post was about how I have enjoyed the bennifits of being an alum yours was a sad attempt to bring me down and why? Seriously why did it make you so mad? I'm having so much fun that you have to launch a pathetic attack against the bond i have with my friends? Why do you feel that way? Sounds like you aren't as happy wiht your 'friends' as you'd like me to believe.
I list a half dozen fun experiences that happen after graduation and you find the need to talk about 'paying' for them. As if we are still at school? List some fun things you and your friends have done post graduation? Let me guess, you've ordered pizza, watched some football, and done tons of crap everyone does.
Is paintballing free? if you are in a frat and your dues pay for it then yes
Are dances free? if you are in a frat and your dues pay for it then yes
are kegs of beer free? if you are in a frat and your dues pay for it then yes
It costs money to do things, if you collect it at every event, at the start of a symester or not as all because you are sitting on the couch and that is free.
How are pooling funds then using those funds to do fun things with people who have similar interests 'buying' friends? If you are paying a person to hang out with you then you are buying them. If you and your two friends split a pizza you aren't 'buying' them. Idiotic.
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Alright... time for my two cents. Post graduation I have done plenty of things with my friends, many you have mentioned in your earlier post. Me and my friends have a very close bond. I have no idea if you or any "frat boys" were buying friends, nor do I really care. However I have to agree that overall Frats are lame... I feel a poll coming on here!
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we will decide it with a vote...
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This is a ridiculous poll. Obviously at Marquette the consensus is going to be a resounding yes. A major reason for this is because Marquette does nothing to facilitate the greek system at all. Having deferred enrollment takes a major toll on the greek system, hence not as much of a presence on campus. Since the greeks do not have a presence on campus it leads to their "lame" stereotype.
I actually agreed with that stereotype up until the point that I was convinced to give it a try, while some of the people are indeed giant d-bags, something I will whole-heartedly admit, the actual experience is not "lame" and some of the people are amongst the most interesting and passionate people on campus.
In response to this poll, I choose other. To each each their own.
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Let me preface this comment with: I was not in a fraternity at MU.
Marquette's fraternity scene is lame. I dont mean to slight it, but it does not have the same fraternity aspect to it as other schools (larger fraternity campus'). I think that students come to MU expecting fraternities to be keggers and skanks, but MU's scene is just not that. You dont need to be in a fraternity to get drunk and make long lasting friendships. MU's fraternity scene from friends that were in one, is more based on the brotherhood aspect of it. While you could say me and my friends have a 'brothership', its not the same. I am sure that someone in a fraternity can expand on this.
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What ever, if you had been in a frat you'd know the difference between the ones you like because of a similar affiliation. The money we pay goes to doing fun things. You knwo the things you wanted to do but didn't because you couldn't get your 'friends' to do it. My post was about how I have enjoyed the bennifits of being an alum yours was a sad attempt to bring me down and why? Seriously why did it make you so mad? I'm having so much fun that you have to launch a pathetic attack against the bond i have with my friends? Why do you feel that way? Sounds like you aren't as happy wiht your 'friends' as you'd like me to believe.
I list a half dozen fun experiences that happen after graduation and you find the need to talk about 'paying' for them. As if we are still at school? List some fun things you and your friends have done post graduation? Let me guess, you've ordered pizza, watched some football, and done tons of crap everyone does.
Is paintballing free? if you are in a frat and your dues pay for it then yes
Are dances free? if you are in a frat and your dues pay for it then yes
are kegs of beer free? if you are in a frat and your dues pay for it then yes
It costs money to do things, if you collect it at every event, at the start of a symester or not as all because you are sitting on the couch and that is free.
How are pooling funds then using those funds to do fun things with people who have similar interests 'buying' friends? If you are paying a person to hang out with you then you are buying them. If you and your two friends split a pizza you aren't 'buying' them. Idiotic.
lol man, quite the response to the one liner I layed out there for you... and I'M the angry one... If you don't know me, don't accuse me of lacking friends, because I assure you, the direct opposite was true.
for the record, paying for things, does in fact make them NOT FREE.
My friends pooled our money, bought kegs, and then threw parties that EVERYONE was invited to... much like you did (except for the everything part, that is)
Also, the way we met each other was far less dubious... I can't imagine walking into a building of people and just saying here is my money to pay for our 'dues' and now lets all be friends... I choose (like most people, mind you) to be a bit more selective on who will and will not be my friends.
This is where the 'buying' friends argument comes in... as a Freshman, there is a VERY good chance that you know less than 10% of the frat when you commit to joining... so in effect, you are contributing money (buying) to a mandatory pool of money. If you don't know them, and you are giving them money so that it is okay to hang out, you are in fact, buying them. Whether or not you can accept this fact is not important. But it is what it is.
I'm not knocking it, but you come off (very often) as high and mighty and quite condescending...
now where have I seen that type of behaviour before?...
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Hards - some facts:
You don't pay when you join. You attend several events, probably met some members in class or dorms, and get to know folks, (many more than 10%. We had 30 guys or so, you got to know way more than half of them). After this, you are either asked to pledge or not, if you accept, you spend the rest of the semester in "rush". It's an opportunity for you to get to know the entire fraternity, and for all the guys to get to know you. One of the rqmts is that you must make "house calls" on each member. Spend most of the evening with 1 or more of the members to get to know each other, drink a few beverages.
At semesters end, you are invited to join or not. The semester after you join, you are asked to pay dues. If you are like most of the guys back then, it takes you another semester to come up with the money. A whole year at no cost!!! And lot's of friends!!!
If you don't want to join, you were still welcome at the house, just don't be an awhole.
BTW, most folks joined when they were sophomores back when I was there. Most of us had many friends outside the fraternity as well.
One last thing, you sound like you have a real hard on fro fraternities, which I don't understand. Did something happen to you?
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At semesters end, you are invited to join or not. The semester after you join, you are asked to pay dues. If you are like most of the guys back then, it takes you another semester to come up with the money. A whole year at no cost!!! And lot's of friends!!!
Seems like you're trying to sell us a new car.
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How about another poll?
Is this the most worthless thread ever?
Option A) Yes
Option B) Yes
Vote now.
It's not about money, beer, or parties. If you have something in the common with the people you are hanging out with, it doesn't matter if you are in a fraternity or not. I decided not to attend a major university (the one that beat us in the '03 Final Four) because the Greek scene was too much of an influence on campus. So what's "lame" for someone might be "ideal" for someone else.
I was in a fraternity at MU, and my ties to MU basketball wouldn't be as strong if it weren't for my friends in the fraternity, so I'm thankful for that. This board is about basketball, right?
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actually no... Hangin At the Al is about basketball...
The Superbar is about anything, except for politics. Here at MUscoop when politics are brought up, bananas are thrown in the air and we all go apecrap.
edit: apparently you can't say apepoop(you get the picture)... so here at MUscoop, we are limited to going apecrap.
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Hards - some facts:
You don't pay when you join. You attend several events, probably met some members in class or dorms, and get to know folks, (many more than 10%. We had 30 guys or so, you got to know way more than half of them). After this, you are either asked to pledge or not, if you accept, you spend the rest of the semester in "rush". It's an opportunity for you to get to know the entire fraternity, and for all the guys to get to know you. One of the rqmts is that you must make "house calls" on each member. Spend most of the evening with 1 or more of the members to get to know each other, drink a few beverages.
At semesters end, you are invited to join or not. The semester after you join, you are asked to pay dues. If you are like most of the guys back then, it takes you another semester to come up with the money. A whole year at no cost!!! And lot's of friends!!!
If you don't want to join, you were still welcome at the house, just don't be an awhole.
BTW, most folks joined when they were sophomores back when I was there. Most of us had many friends outside the fraternity as well.
One last thing, you sound like you have a real hard on fro fraternities, which I don't understand. Did something happen to you?
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no, nothing happened with any frats with me... in fact I had friends who joined frats, and then many of which who later decided it was a silly idea since their real friends weren't in the frat, so they 'quit'.
Again, I'm not busting on frats, I just really don't see the point of creating an exclusive club... and don't cry that it was for the 'brotherhood' because most of us consider our closest friends to be the same thing... at least I would, I guess I can't speak for everyone else here.
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Is the Rabbits Athletic Club still on campus? Claimed to be the anti-frat, but was just like one.
I think that Marquette is not that fraternicized(sp) because of size. A larger university needs frats to kind of break down the size.
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i would tend to disagree with that statement... St. Norbert in Depere is extremely fraternized and is much smaller.
I would say that most of it stems from the rules and regulations placed upon frats by MU's administration in addition to the fact that Milwaukee is a large city as opposed to a college town like Depere... or as a best case example, Oxford, Ohio (Miami of Ohio)
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Is the Rabbits Athletic Club still on campus? Claimed to be the anti-frat, but was just like one.
I think that Marquette is not that fraternicized(sp) because of size. A larger university needs frats to kind of break down the size.
No more Rabbits.
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And I think a lot of those rules and regulations were expanded etc during the 80's when the Wisconsin drinking age was raised from 18 to 21.
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SigEp by definition I believe = d-bag.
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Thats an ignorant comment, how many SigEps do you actually know?
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No more Rabbits.
What happened to the Bunnies?
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Look at his board handle - should be changed to just "strokin". What an ignorant comment.
Thats an ignorant comment, how many SigEps do you actually know?
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During my days at Marquette I knew enough to know that I did not need to know anymore.
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actually i would agree with Strokin 3's. Personally i knew of a bunch of frat kids and didn't really care for any of them. when they were separate from their "brothers" they were tolerable. put them all together, like at one of their "awesome" parties, they acted like complete d-bags.
to respond to one of the original posts regarding fun activities you do with your frat brothers on an annual basis... i still do most of those with my friends and I'm 4 years removed from college. I would actually put money that my group of friends are are a closer group of guys than most if not all frat brothers are. we chose eachother because we got along, not because we all paid "dues." we also don't have that homosexual hand shake crap.
when i was in college Sig Ep's definitely headed up the list for being douches.
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You shouldn't be talking about "homosexual" hand shakes with your icon - a fat man in underware
See, I can be just as nasty as the rest of you who lump people together and are disdainful of them.
Please grow up and treat people as individuals, regardless of their affiliations, race or sexual preference.
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look dude, you are obviously just going to say what you want and think what you want without understanding where everyone else is coming from.
We do understand that you have friends with and are friends with your 'guys'
it has just been a GENERAL (NOT PERSONAL, READ: NOT PERSONAL) opinion among most people here that frat people are GENERALLY douchey.
We probably would treat people as individuals if that is what this thread was about... but OBVIOUSLY its about FRATS (aka GROUPS).
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You shouldn't be talking about "homosexual" hand shakes with your icon - a fat man in underware
See, I can be just as nasty as the rest of you who lump people together and are disdainful of them.
Please grow up and treat people as individuals, regardless of their affiliations, race or sexual preference.
wow, now you are calling Homer Simpson a homosexual? you frat guys are really stooping to a new low. Also, since when does drinking beer in your underwear make you gay? i thought it was called being a football fan.
seriously SigEP, you want to talk about being individuals??? how come if there was a hint of any trouble, frat guys need to get 15 of their "brothers" to help. usually all they do is make it worse thanks to their douchebag mob mentality. 15 on 1, sounds like they would handle things as individuals. I guess you guys also showed a lot of individuality by joining a group where you had to do organized activities that are set up by one guy... that's pretty much the definition of being an individual. (i don't use the sarcasm text, sorry)
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it has just been a GENERAL (NOT PERSONAL, READ: NOT PERSONAL) opinion among most people here that frat people people in groups are GENERALLY douchey.
We probably would treat people as individuals if that is what this thread was about... but OBVIOUSLY its about FRATS (aka GROUPS).
I fixed your post for accuracy. All groups, not just fraternities, are subject to douchebaggery.
All groups involve some sort of common identification with each other and with a common ideal. This common identification results in conformity via social norms or informational influence. (In other words, what is accepted conduct and a view of reality within the group). As a result, all groups can result in the negative behaviors associated with GroupThink. Here are some behaviors of GroupThink:
- Belief in Inherent Morality of the In-Group
- Stereotypes of Out-Groups
- Pressuring Deviates to Conform
- Illusion of Unanimity
A fraternity is particularly susceptible to these types of behaviors, especially when you add booze and 18-22 year olds together. However, that makes them no different than any other group, be it the band, rugby team, basketball team, young republicans/democrats, stoners, ten guys living in a Row house, or even people posting on MUScoop. Pick any group (formal or not) and I can probably show you that they're a bunch of douchebags, especially if that group has a pre-determined set of stereotypical qualities.
Furthermore, the GroupThink mentality that people ascribe to fraternities is actually being represented in this same thread. Inherent morality of the In-Group (non-frats), stereotyping of the out-group (frats are lame), pressuring deviates (MUScoop frat supporters) to conform, and an Illusion of Unanimity (the poll).
You are what you hate. You're probably also a douchebag (but so am I).
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agreed....
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henry sugar is a d-bag. Everyone has a little d-bag in them, it's just a matter of to what extent and how often they show it. Frats i believe tend to have a larger concentration of d-baggery and tend to show it more often than others.
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agreed....
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henry sugar is a d-bag. Everyone has a little d-bag in them, it's just a matter of to what extent and how often they show it. Frats i believe tend to have a larger concentration of d-baggery and tend to show it more often than others.
coming from the douchebag with a Simpsons avatar and a "Spaceballs" quote.
Were there just too many "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" quotes from which to choose?
Tell me straight... were you in the band?
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I fixed your post for accuracy. All groups, not just fraternities, are subject to douchebaggery.
All groups involve some sort of common identification with each other and with a common ideal. This common identification results in conformity via social norms or informational influence. (In other words, what is accepted conduct and a view of reality within the group). As a result, all groups can result in the negative behaviors associated with GroupThink. Here are some behaviors of GroupThink:
- Belief in Inherent Morality of the In-Group
- Stereotypes of Out-Groups
- Pressuring Deviates to Conform
- Illusion of Unanimity
A fraternity is particularly susceptible to these types of behaviors, especially when you add booze and 18-22 year olds together. However, that makes them no different than any other group, be it the band, rugby team, basketball team, young republicans/democrats, stoners, ten guys living in a Row house, or even people posting on MUScoop. Pick any group (formal or not) and I can probably show you that they're a bunch of douchebags, especially if that group has a pre-determined set of stereotypical qualities.
Furthermore, the GroupThink mentality that people ascribe to fraternities is actually being represented in this same thread. Inherent morality of the In-Group (non-frats), stereotyping of the out-group (frats are lame), pressuring deviates (MUScoop frat supporters) to conform, and an Illusion of Unanimity (the poll).
You are what you hate. You're probably also a douchebag (but so am I).
Absolutely true. I was captain of the men's rugby club when I was at MU and there was some extreme group think there. I am sure we came off to many people as barbaric, and a bit psychotic, but I do not ever recall the word "docuhebag" being used to describe our club members. While I am sure things were far different in the 70's/80's, in general, the SigEp's were really massive d-bags in the late 90's and early 00's. I mean...seriously...in general...those guys sucked.
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coming from the douchebag with a Simpsons avatar and a "Spaceballs" quote.
Were there just too many "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" quotes from which to choose?
Tell me straight... were you in the band?
Hilarious.
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Sugar, very well said, thank you.
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DoooooouuuuchheBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!!
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Absolutely true. I was captain of the men's rugby club when I was at MU and there was some extreme group think there. I am sure we came off to many people as barbaric, and a bit psychotic, but I do not ever recall the word "docuhebag" being used to describe our club members. While I am sure things were far different in the 70's/80's, in general, the SigEp's were really massive d-bags in the late 90's and early 00's. I mean...seriously...in general...those guys sucked.
I can vouch that all the sigeps I have encountered since I started school (Fall 06) have been pretty good guys. I even had one of them in a class I was a TA for and he was pretty smart. (Note: I am not a sig ep)
I know that their chapter had a huge turnover the year before I got to MU. (I think they got in trouble or something and the whole chapter got kicked out. I don't know for sure, it was before my time) This might be why you don't like the sig eps from about 2000.
Also, I can personally say the type of guy in a particular fraternity can change A LOT over a few years. The alums from my fraternity today have different personalities than the alums from 5 years ago, and different personalities from 30 years ago. You may not have liked the sigeps/triangles/sig phis/delta chis from when you were in school in 1983/1993/2003, but I don't think that gives people the right to instantlly call all of them d-bags.
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coming from the douchebag with a Simpsons avatar and a "Spaceballs" quote.
Were there just too many "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" quotes from which to choose?
Tell me straight... were you in the band?
i guess two can play this game... this coming from a guy with a The Office avatar and no quote... really, please comeback with something a little better. but then again, I'm not expecting much from a frat guy. Do you guys have to get taught how to make childish comments or inside jokes then turn and high five the closest d-bag frat brother near you? or does that just come natural which is why you all gravitate to hanging out with one another.
i was probably the farthest thing from being in the band, but i can tell you that i would rather hang out with those kids then frat guys. atleast band kids don't tend to judge and look down on others.
so settle down d-bag
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I fixed your post for accuracy. All groups, not just fraternities, are subject to douchebaggery.
All groups involve some sort of common identification with each other and with a common ideal. This common identification results in conformity via social norms or informational influence. (In other words, what is accepted conduct and a view of reality within the group). As a result, all groups can result in the negative behaviors associated with GroupThink. Here are some behaviors of GroupThink:
- Belief in Inherent Morality of the In-Group
- Stereotypes of Out-Groups
- Pressuring Deviates to Conform
- Illusion of Unanimity
A fraternity is particularly susceptible to these types of behaviors, especially when you add booze and 18-22 year olds together. However, that makes them no different than any other group, be it the band, rugby team, basketball team, young republicans/democrats, stoners, ten guys living in a Row house, or even people posting on MUScoop. Pick any group (formal or not) and I can probably show you that they're a bunch of douchebags, especially if that group has a pre-determined set of stereotypical qualities.
Furthermore, the GroupThink mentality that people ascribe to fraternities is actually being represented in this same thread. Inherent morality of the In-Group (non-frats), stereotyping of the out-group (frats are lame), pressuring deviates (MUScoop frat supporters) to conform, and an Illusion of Unanimity (the poll).
You are what you hate. You're probably also a douchebag (but so am I).
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We had an old saying in school (I can't remember who said it first)... but it goes something like:
"big groups of guys don't like other big groups of guys"
The first thing you do at a house party/bar is size up the "dudes" who just walked in. "Check out these dudes."
I don't know why, but everybody did it.
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I fixed your post for accuracy. All groups, not just fraternities, are subject to douchebaggery.
All groups involve some sort of common identification with each other and with a common ideal. This common identification results in conformity via social norms or informational influence. (In other words, what is accepted conduct and a view of reality within the group). As a result, all groups can result in the negative behaviors associated with GroupThink. Here are some behaviors of GroupThink:
- Belief in Inherent Morality of the In-Group
- Stereotypes of Out-Groups
- Pressuring Deviates to Conform
- Illusion of Unanimity
A fraternity is particularly susceptible to these types of behaviors, especially when you add booze and 18-22 year olds together. However, that makes them no different than any other group, be it the band, rugby team, basketball team, young republicans/democrats, stoners, ten guys living in a Row house, or even people posting on MUScoop. Pick any group (formal or not) and I can probably show you that they're a bunch of douchebags, especially if that group has a pre-determined set of stereotypical qualities.
Furthermore, the GroupThink mentality that people ascribe to fraternities is actually being represented in this same thread. Inherent morality of the In-Group (non-frats), stereotyping of the out-group (frats are lame), pressuring deviates (MUScoop frat supporters) to conform, and an Illusion of Unanimity (the poll).
You are what you hate. You're probably also a douchebag (but so am I).
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Go ask any group you despise and they probably despise you (with the exception of people from IL not despising people from WI). If you think you are correct and they are wrong they think the same thing. And you are probably both right when you call the other group douche bags.
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I'm a SigEp. I was at Marquette in the late 90's. I don't consider myself to be a douchebag and I didn't have to buy any of my friends. Our parties, as described by the basketball teams, were by far the best on campus. People threw rocks through our doors because they were so upset they weren't allowed in. Quite frankly, it's gutless to call people douchebags on a message board. Whenever my group of friends and I are at weddings or other social events, people always comment to me how jealous they were how close were were. They only had a few friends that they kept in contact with after college. I consider myself to be close with at least 50 guys. We also have a very diverse group of friends from whom I've learned a lot because they have a different perspective about things. If you didn't want to be in a fraternity, that's your choice. I'm confident in saying you missed out.
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I'm a SigEp. I was at Marquette in the late 90's. I don't consider myself to be a douchebag and I didn't have to buy any of my friends. Our parties, as described by the basketball teams, were by far the best on campus. People threw rocks through our doors because they were so upset they weren't allowed in. Quite frankly, it's gutless to call people douchebags on a message board. Whenever my group of friends and I are at weddings or other social events, people always comment to me how jealous they were how close were were. They only had a few friends that they kept in contact with after college. I consider myself to be close with at least 50 guys. We also have a very diverse group of friends from whom I've learned a lot because they have a different perspective about things. If you didn't want to be in a fraternity, that's your choice. I'm confident in saying you missed out.
Thank you for proving every point we have been trying to make.
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I'm a SigEp. I was at Marquette in the late 90's. I don't consider myself to be a douchebag and I didn't have to buy any of my friends. Our parties, as described by the basketball teams, were by far the best on campus. People threw rocks through our doors because they were so upset they weren't allowed in. Quite frankly, it's gutless to call people douchebags on a message board. Whenever my group of friends and I are at weddings or other social events, people always comment to me how jealous they were how close were were. They only had a few friends that they kept in contact with after college. I consider myself to be close with at least 50 guys. We also have a very diverse group of friends from whom I've learned a lot because they have a different perspective about things. If you didn't want to be in a fraternity, that's your choice. I'm confident in saying you missed out.
you're right crisco... you are so much better than the average person.
hate to break it to you, but the basketball players also used to say our parties were the best on campus and i wasn't in a frat. pretty sure they said that to every party host that provided large amounts of freshman girls.
come to think of it, we had many parties where we were so full that we turned people away... yet no rocks thrown at our house. hmm interesting. maybe that says something about the people that were turning them away.
I'd like to know exactly how close you can really stay with 50 guys? unless you all still live in the same house to where you can do your elephant walk everyday. either that or you must have one heck of a phone bill and more hours in the day than me.
i would gladly meet you to call you a d-bag to your face, but I'm sure you would show up with 15 other guys, because i have never met a frat guy that can fight his own battle. just an observation, they might exist, but i just haven't met one yet.
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Oh snap, I do believe that was an open handed b1tch slap to the face Ari Gold style!
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Actually, I lived with the basketball players in Humphrey and I was good friends with them. This wasn't something they said to me just at our parties. Sorry if you guys had bad experienced with people in fraternities and you have a lot of anger from it. You have to get over it. But hey, if it makes you guys feel better calling me a douchebag, go nuts.
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One point that has not been brought up, is the fact the many frats make pledges do humiliating and stupid things in the name of "brotherhood".
Drinking until puking, washing cars, cleaning houses, carrying books, running errands, are just a few of things I know some of my friends had to do in frats during while they pledged.
Making people doing crap work in the name of "brotherhood" is d-baggy. It's just a giant cycle. Frats guys make freshmen to do dumb things, so that one day, you can make freshmen do dumb things.
Now do all frats do this, no. But would I guess that many do? Yes.
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One point that has not been brought up, is the fact the many frats make pledges do humiliating and stupid things in the name of "brotherhood".
Drinking until puking, washing cars, cleaning houses, carrying books, running errands, are just a few of things I know some of my friends had to do in frats during while they pledged.
Making people doing crap work in the name of "brotherhood" is d-baggy. It's just a giant cycle. Frats guys make freshmen to do dumb things, so that one day, you can make freshmen do dumb things.
Now do all frats do this, no. But would I guess that many do? Yes.
The sports teams (Lacrosse, Crew, ect) do the same things freshman. Hazing is a part of culture.
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Intended for MURFC
dont forget to mention, biggest group of alcoholic party animals i have ever had the privlige to drink with.
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I'm a SigEp. I was at Marquette in the late 90's. I don't consider myself to be a douchebag and I didn't have to buy any of my friends. Our parties, as described by the basketball teams, were by far the best on campus. People threw rocks through our doors because they were so upset they weren't allowed in. Quite frankly, it's gutless to call people douchebags on a message board. Whenever my group of friends and I are at weddings or other social events, people always comment to me how jealous they were how close were were. They only had a few friends that they kept in contact with after college. I consider myself to be close with at least 50 guys. We also have a very diverse group of friends from whom I've learned a lot because they have a different perspective about things. If you didn't want to be in a fraternity, that's your choice. I'm confident in saying you missed out.
Just to be clear....refusal from a party had nothing to do with a rock going through the front glass door of the old sigep residence.
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Just to be clear....refusal from a party had nothing to do with a rock going through the front glass door of the old sigep residence.
I'm sure the guy with the screen name MURFC, which I'm guessing has to do with the rugby team, or his buddies, had no part of any groupthink that night. ::)
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Absolutely true. I was captain of the men's rugby club when I was at MU and there was some extreme group think there. I am sure we came off to many people as barbaric, and a bit psychotic, but I do not ever recall the word "docuhebag" being used to describe our club members. While I am sure things were far different in the 70's/80's, in general, the SigEp's were really massive d-bags in the late 90's and early 00's. I mean...seriously...in general...those guys sucked.
See my previous post.
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i have to agree with MURFC. i was not in rugby but went to quite a few parties of theirs. i would also have to say that they threw some of the best parties on campus. a couple words i would use to describe the team would be... insane, crazy, nuts, oh wait those are all the same. anyways, d-bag never came across. funny thing was that these guys were a group that could beat your ass 1 on 1, but never did. some of the easiest guys to get along with.
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HAHAHAHA, frats do suck!
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The sports teams (Lacrosse, Crew, ect) do the same things freshman. Hazing is a part of culture.
Just because something is a part of culture, make it anymore less of d!ck thing to do. My friends hazed each other all the time in college, but we became friends first, not the other way around.
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Just because something is a part of culture, make it anymore less of d!ck thing to do. My friends hazed each other all the time in college, but we became friends first, not the other way around.
Who gives a crap, you still suck at life and no one but yourself cares what you did or did not do when you and you and your friends had their pants around their ankles. Sooooooooweeeeeeeyyyyyyyy!
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Who gives a crap, you still suck at life and no one but yourself cares what you did or did not do when you and you and your friends had their pants around their ankles. Sooooooooweeeeeeeyyyyyyyy!
Thanks for the personal attack drunko