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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on December 21, 2021, 08:32:53 PM
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When do we start getting some? Xavier gets 10 straight foul calls in the first half at home. Now we’re at home and 11 minutes in and UCONN has been called for 0 fouls. Some contact being called on Marquette is being allowed on the other end. Frustrating.
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When do we start getting some? Xavier gets 10 straight foul calls in the first half at home. Now we’re at home and 11 minutes in and UCONN has been called for 0 fouls. Some contact being called on Marquette is being allowed on the other end. Frustrating.
Seems to work for other teams but never for MU
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Nova got plenty of home cooking tonite.
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Good teams get the calls
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I thought it was pretty evenly officiated the vast majority of the game.
UConn got called for a couple borderline offensive fouls, the block on Joplin's dunk looked clean, a few others. As always a few tough calls against us, too. Ended up being 18-17 fouls, and that was with us taking a couple late to try to get back in the game. I didn't think officiating was a story at all tonight. Make an effen dunk and a layup, maybe!
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I thought it was pretty evenly officiated the vast majority of the game.
UConn got called for a couple borderline offensive fouls, the block on Joplin's dunk looked clean, a few others. As always a few tough calls against us, too. Ended up being 18-17 fouls, and that was with us taking a couple late to try to get back in the game. I didn't think officiating was a story at all tonight. Make an effen dunk and a layup, maybe!
Agreed. A couple bad calls both ways. It probably evened out.
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I thought it was pretty evenly officiated the vast majority of the game.
UConn got called for a couple borderline offensive fouls, the block on Joplin's dunk looked clean, a few others. As always a few tough calls against us, too. Ended up being 18-17 fouls, and that was with us taking a couple late to try to get back in the game. I didn't think officiating was a story at all tonight. Make an effen dunk and a layup, maybe!
MU got called for several borderline calls. MU has to play through it. UConn the same. The game was lost on three straight MU possessions with great looks that didn’t go in. Their guards were better tonight. Later this season we will be better. Fun team to watch.
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Teams are only shooting 64% from the line against Marquette. Pretty genius by Shaka to lose the foul game
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Teams are only shooting 64% from the line against Marquette. Pretty genius by Shaka to lose the foul game
FT defense has been one of the best I've seen at MU.
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FT defense has been one of the best I've seen at MU.
I wish I knew his secret
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I wish I knew his secret
Shake Shack
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We don't play a style of ball that is currently conducive to getting fouls, and it's a moderate concern (obviously caveat of FTs No Matta). Saw JL force the issue in the 2nd half that was a positive for the team down the stretch. Probably a formula to replicate to get him involved and get the other team working a bit
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We don't play a style of ball that is currently conducive to getting fouls, and it's a moderate concern (obviously caveat of FTs No Matta). Saw JL force the issue in the 2nd half that was a positive for the team down the stretch. Probably a formula to replicate to get him involved and get the other team working a bit
I might be wrong, but I think even on FTs No Matta's own terms, only our FT % no matta. I think the number of FTs very much matta.
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We don't play a style of ball that is currently conducive to getting fouls, and it's a moderate concern (obviously caveat of FTs No Matta). Saw JL force the issue in the 2nd half that was a positive for the team down the stretch. Probably a formula to replicate to get him involved and get the other team working a bit
One tidbit to add around Shaka's style: MU's FTR is the highest since his first year at Texas. Much lower than most of Wojo's and Buzz's teams. Shaka's teams play just too fast for a higher FTR (for better or worse).
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I might be wrong, but I think even on FTs No Matta's own terms, only our FT % no matta. I think the number of FTs very much matta.
No, really is FTR. But it is the lesser of the 4 factors
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Creighton called for 8 team fouls in all of regulation until they intentionally fouled 3 times with 15 seconds left.
Let’s hope we get some favorable whistles in OT.
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Creighton called for 8 team fouls in all of regulation until they intentionally fouled 3 times with 15 seconds left.
Let’s hope we get some favorable whistles in OT.
Nope
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Those darn refs again, they just hate MU. Probably discuss between them prior to every game.
I know they just caused Kolek and Lewis to miss those last two shots in the paint.
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Creighton called for 8 team fouls in all of regulation until they intentionally fouled 3 times with 15 seconds left.
Let’s hope we get some favorable whistles in OT.
We settled too much on O to cause CU to foul. Refs just can’t call fouls that aren’t happening for the sake of equity. SMH.
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We settled too much on O to cause CU to foul. Refs just can’t call fouls that aren’t happening for the sake of equity. SMH.
One team shot 31 three pointers. They show 19 free throws. The other team shot 19 three pointers. They show 7 free throws.
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On the reviewed play that gave MU the final shot of regulation, O-Max hammered Hawkins.
Hawkins should have shot 2 FTs and O-Max should have been out of the game.
I mean, sure, I wish we had gotten some home cookin', and I have no doubt that the refs missed a few on Creighton. But there were a lot of things that cost us this game, and officiating is pretty far down on the list.
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On the reviewed play that gave MU the final shot of regulation, O-Max hammered Hawkins.
Hawkins should have shot 2 FTs and O-Max should have been out of the game.
I mean, sure, I wish we had gotten some home cookin', and I have no doubt that the refs missed a few on Creighton. But there were a lot of things that cost us this game, and officiating is pretty far down on the list.
Masked fans probably cost us the game.
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Masked fans probably cost us the game.
That’s good
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One team shot 31 three pointers. They show 19 free throws. The other team shot 19 three pointers. They show 7 free throws.
MU was also taking a number of midrange shots too. The player who took the most FT’s for CU was Kalkbrenner, their seven foot post player. Our best post player was shooting midrange jumpers (which he can usually make). CU also got more FT’s thanks us fouling on CU’s many offensive rebounds. Our D is by design more aggressive, that is going to lead to more calls against us.
Also, when our bigs took it right at Kalkbrenner he couldn’t hold his ground.
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On the reviewed play that gave MU the final shot of regulation, O-Max hammered Hawkins.
Hawkins should have shot 2 FTs and O-Max should have been out of the game.
I mean, sure, I wish we had gotten some home cookin', and I have no doubt that the refs missed a few on Creighton. But there were a lot of things that cost us this game, and officiating is pretty far down on the list.
Exactly. We always have more fouls because of the way we play defense. It is going to continue this year.
Youth is probably the biggest cause and that will change over time.
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Eye blame Fr. Fauci, hey?
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Kalkbrenner is very good at defending without fouling, I didn't see any missed calls on him. There was only one call I didn't like and one foul I think was missed. I thought Morsell beat OConnell to the rebound when he got called for the foul late. There was one Lewis layup in OT that I thought he got undercut on by one of their guards. All in all, a well officiated game
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Eye blame Fr. Fauci, hey?
its the mask mandate, brah
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There was certainly contact that caused a loose ball that led to the out of bounds play that tied it. Block or charge your call, but I think there has to be a foul there either way. And either way that would’ve helped MU.
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I would just like the same calls to be made on both sides of the floor. That’s all I ask for.
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Refs aren’t the problem.
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Refs aren’t the problem.
They weren't good tonight. Nova being the class of the league since its inception gives them favor. Nova only called for 7 fouls at NOVA earlier this year and tonight it was 7-1 fouls on MU with 10 minutes left in the game. Nova was using their off arm a ton to clear space and not one time was it called. Guy hooked Lewis and then they called a foul on Justin standing with arms straight up.
Garbage officiating tonight.
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Three of four times this season, I have praised the officiating. Not a great game for the refs tonight.
Good teams overcome. Marquette did. That's all that needs to be said, really.
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If Fluffy says the officials were good, then we know the officials sucked...
They weren't good tonight. Nova being the class of the league since its inception gives them favor. Nova only called for 7 fouls at NOVA earlier this year and tonight it was 7-1 fouls on MU with 10 minutes left in the game. Nova was using their off arm a ton to clear space and not one time was it called. Guy hooked Lewis and then they called a foul on Justin standing with arms straight up.
Garbage officiating tonight.
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Three of four times this season, I have praised the officiating. Not a great game for the refs tonight.
Good teams overcome. Marquette did. That's all that needs to be said, really.
Breeding
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If Fluffy says the officials were good, then we know the officials sucked...
LOL. Truth.
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My god.
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There’s been one bad call on MU so far. Mostly, we just suck at defense
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Probably works out better since Creighton’s been called for all of TWO fouls. But how is that a jump ball? Lol.
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There’s been one bad call on MU so far. Mostly, we just suck at defense
Think that is it. Soft inside
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If Creighton or any team had Marquette on their uniforms they would have 7-8 fouls called each half.
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If Creighton or any team had Marquette on their uniforms they would have 7-8 fouls called each half.
Agree! Announcers even mentioned how Justin was fouled on his first basket, but nothing was called
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Kur just called for a foul for being boxed out. He didn’t even go for the rebound.
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And now a ref on the other end of the half court line just calls a foul at the rim as the ref 3 feet from it lets it go on. Cool.
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Refs are fine. Kur went over the back. Stupid foul.
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And now a ref on the other end of the half court line just calls a foul at the rim as the ref 3 feet from it lets it go on. Cool.
Because he had a better angle.
Guys, we’re not getting a favorable whistle but it’s only moderately bad. We need to play better.
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Lol at that “charge.”
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Good call. He extended his arm. That’s called 9 out of 10 times.
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And then they DON’T call a foul on Kam Jones there? Haha. Just incredible.
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7 total fouls called against Creighton. That’s just not possible in high major division one college basketball.
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If the line is out of bounds, his foot never even went in bounds haha. So they screwed up that call, too. Shocking.
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If the line is out of bounds, his foot never even went in bounds haha. So they screwed up that call, too. Shocking.
This officiating has been absolutely abominable and one sidedly so.
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Reffing was fine. We lost this one by self inflicted mistakes down the end.
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21 to 10 FTAs, in a 1 pt game.
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SHU got a gift win last night on a phantom foul, there were some weird calls today.
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https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1495515835439460352?t=-gLqlJNTd6T91zr8jPC6TA&s=19
They called Greg for a line violation but not this one. With the ref staring right at him.
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Reffing was fine. We lost this one by self inflicted mistakes down the end.
Nope, back to ignore for you
Ok, ok yes plenty of self inflicted wounds, but yeah, no refs were hot garbage
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Reffing was fine. We lost this one by self inflicted mistakes down the end.
We did lose this one by self inflicted mistakes. The reffing wasn't great. Both these can be true.
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Nope, back to ignore for you
Oh no. Whatever will I do.
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We did lose this one by self inflicted mistakes. The reffing wasn't great. Both these can be true.
They can be. But the reffing was fine.
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They can be. But the reffing was fine.
21-10 FTAs when we took roughly same number of shots in the paint
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21-10 FTAs when we took roughly same number of shots in the paint
That most certainly isn’t an indicator of reffing quality. They were fine. Not perfect, but by and large consistent. Actually one of the better reffed games of the year IMO.
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https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1495515835439460352?t=-gLqlJNTd6T91zr8jPC6TA&s=19
They called Greg for a line violation but not this one. With the ref staring right at him.
This is really bad.
The rest of the game seemed fine.
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I mentioned this once earlier this year when I agreed with Pgheroes - we are getting hosed on calls. I believe we’ve led every opponent in fouls for every conference game. Can someone do the analysis? This also includes garbage time. I would like to see the foul differential for every conference game with and without garbage time. I don’t think we’ve ever not had more fouls than our opponent. Has that ever happened for a complete conference schedule? That would speak volumes. Also, it’s not like we are overly aggressive on aspects of the game like rebounding that would lend itself to fouling.
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I mentioned this once earlier this year when I agreed with Pgheroes - we are getting hosed on calls. I believe we’ve led every opponent in fouls for every conference game. Can someone do the analysis? This also includes garbage time. I would like to see the foul differential for every conference game with and without garbage time. I don’t think we’ve ever not had more fouls than our opponent. Has that ever happened for a complete conference schedule? That would speak volumes. Also, it’s not like we are overly aggressive on aspects of the game like rebounding that would lend itself to fouling.
We reach A LOT. Our bigs are foul prone because they are weak. Overall we are very aggressive on the perimeter and always pick up a couple cheap ones a half.
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They had fouls to give at the end of both halves and got super aggressive defensively because of it. They got two turnovers out of it.
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That most certainly isn’t an indicator of reffing quality. They were fine. Not perfect, but by and large consistent. Actually one of the better reffed games of the year IMO.
Contrary to most here I agree we reach way too much and pull up midrange shots don't draw fouls that being said on morsells turnover the player who's name I can't pronounce certainly bodied him up which is an automatic foul (they called it on osa earlier), it's debatable whether Greg stepped over, and you haven't responded to the linked image of Creighton clearly being OOB on a scoring play. On their end Lewis did not adequately draw a foul on the missed dunk.
I agree the fouls discrepancy isn't an indicator of good or bad reffing but the refs were not good in crunch time today.
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Just home from the game and yes the officiating was garbage. Marquette was getting called pretty much every time their was defensive contact, but the same was not true on the other end. I don’t think Creighton was called for 10 fouls the entire game, which is ridiculous.
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Contrary to most here I agree we reach way too much and pull up midrange shots don't draw fouls that being said on morsells turnover the player who's name I can't pronounce certainly bodied him up which is an automatic foul (they called it on osa earlier), it's debatable whether Greg stepped over, and you haven't responded to the linked image of Creighton clearly being OOB on a scoring play. On their end Lewis did not adequately draw a foul on the missed dunk.
I agree the fouls discrepancy isn't an indicator of good or bad reffing but the refs were not good in crunch time today.
I do find it comical seeing people constantly complain about foul disparity. We’re an aggressive defensive team and a jump shooting offensive team.
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I do find it comical seeing people constantly complain about foul disparity. We’re an aggressive defensive team and a jump shooting offensive team.
In general yes, but today we were going to the rim through contact plenty of times with no call.
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Contrary to most here I agree we reach way too much and pull up midrange shots don't draw fouls that being said on morsells turnover the player who's name I can't pronounce certainly bodied him up which is an automatic foul (they called it on osa earlier), it's debatable whether Greg stepped over, and you haven't responded to the linked image of Creighton clearly being OOB on a scoring play. On their end Lewis did not adequately draw a foul on the missed dunk.
I agree the fouls discrepancy isn't an indicator of good or bad reffing but the refs were not good in crunch time today.
What do you want me to respond to. He stepped out of bounds and the tweet author said that they scored on the play. If true, it’s a bad call. Bad calls happen.
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They can be. But the reffing was fine.
This is not correct.
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What do you want me to respond to. He stepped out of bounds and the tweet author said that they scored on the play. If true, it’s a bad call. Bad calls happen.
This is true and when they do they are no longer fine as you state
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This is true and when they do they are no longer fine as you state
I don't expect perfection.
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I don't expect perfection.
No do I but I do expect consistency they weren't doing that.
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They never do. Listen to Tony Smith berate Homer for expecting consistency sometime.
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I don't think people understand my point. College basketball referees are generally pretty poor. So my expectations aren't very high. If they are reasonably consistent, I am good. That's really all I ask for.
Viewed in that context, the refs today were fine.
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I don't think people understand my point. College basketball referees are generally pretty poor. So my expectations aren't very high. If they are reasonably consistent, I am good. That's really all I ask for.
Viewed in that context, the refs today were fine.
Yes, they were consistently not calling fouls on one side of the court.
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Yes, they were consistently not calling fouls on one side of the court.
They missed very few calls today. Really I thought they were pretty good.
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I don't think people understand my point. College basketball referees are generally pretty poor. So my expectations aren't very high. If they are reasonably consistent, I am good. That's really all I ask for.
Viewed in that context, the refs today were fine.
This is where your take is off the rails. First, they are highly paid professionals so there should be accountability. Two, there are three of them to cover their assigned zones on the floor so consistency in a game or from game to game should not be an issue. Third, they are (never) hardly consistent and therein lies the problem.
They did not call the game the same way on both sides of the floor. I actually had no problem with the fouls they called on MU. But, the touch fouls on the Creighton end were consistently not called. As shown on the replay, Lewis was raked across the arm on that big turnover. Is 3 seconds even a rule violation anymore because K never left the paint. On one possession I counted to 10. More so, these refs worked continually outside their zones. And in the end, why coaches save time outs for the end when Breeding is reffing is beyond me. The dude video reviews every possession in the last two minutes with about 80% being wtf is he reviewing? Two minutes for 0.2 seconds on the clock?
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This is where your take is off the rails. First, they are highly paid professionals so there should be accountability. Two, there are three of them to cover their assigned zones on the floor so consistency in a game or from game to game should not be an issue. Third, they are (never) hardly consistent and therein lies the problem.
They did not call the game the same way on both sides of the floor. I actually had no problem with the fouls they called on MU. But, the touch fouls on the Creighton end were consistently not called. As shown on the replay, Lewis was raked across the arm on that big turnover. Is 3 seconds even a rule violation anymore because K never left the paint. On one possession I counted to 10. More so, these refs worked continually outside their zones. And in the end, why coaches save time outs for the end when Breeding is reffing is beyond me. The dude video reviews every possession in the last two minutes with about 80% being wtf is he reviewing? Two minutes for 0.2 seconds on the clock?
I disagree. They were fine.
Too much bias here.
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I disagree. They were fine.
Too much bias here.
My takes are facts. Yours? Off as usual.
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They missed very few calls today. Really I thought they were pretty good.
Nope they missed a heck of a lot. You be wrong, they were calling fouls inconsistently not same on both sides. I don't usually get on refs but this was not a good look for refs. That "missed" out of bounds call while looking at play tells the story.
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My takes are facts. Yours? Off as usual.
They are “facts” shaped by your bias.
Nope they missed a heck of a lot. You be wrong, they were calling fouls inconsistently not same on both sides. I don't usually get on refs but this was not a good look for refs. That "missed" out of bounds call while looking at play tells the story.
They were plenty consistent. Your bias is clouding your judgement.
One thing I have learned on scoop through the years is that scoopers are TERRIBLE judges of refereeing. In fact it’s pretty embarrassing how bad the entire fan base is at this.
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Clarissa explains it all. “They suck, but at least they consistently suck.” Your takes suck.
I don't think people understand my point. College basketball referees are generally pretty poor. So my expectations aren't very high. If they are reasonably consistent, I am good. That's really all I ask for.
Viewed in that context, the refs today were fine.
They are “facts” shaped by your bias.
They were plenty consistent. Your bias is clouding your judgement.
One thing I have learned on scoop through the years is that scoopers are TERRIBLE judges of refereeing. In fact it’s pretty embarrassing how bad the entire fan base is at this.
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Clarissa explains it all. “They suck, but at least they consistently suck.” Your takes suck.
I’m hurt.
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Clarissa explains it all. “They suck, but at least they consistently suck.”
Yep - it's pretty disappointing when even those who defend the refs openly acknowledge that they suck.
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They are “facts” shaped by your bias.
They were plenty consistent. Your bias is clouding your judgement.
One thing I have learned on scoop through the years is that scoopers are TERRIBLE judges of refereeing. In fact it’s pretty embarrassing how bad the entire fan base is at this.
Actually you're plenty embarrassing.
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Actually you're plenty embarrassing.
Ouch.
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Actually you're plenty embarrassing.
Sums up his entire posting history perfectly.
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Didn't like the charge on Morsell in the second half. Thought the touch foul that put CU in the bonus was soft. Creighton got a few more calls on the balance, but I don't think it made a huge difference.
I would say it affected how MU guarded, but a lot of their fouls happened because they were late and not nearly aggressive enough.
I don't like the way the college game is called, but it's a tiny issue compared to MU's total collapse defensively.
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Is Clarissa actually Fluffy? I was just curious.
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Yes. Someone called him that as an insult. He leaned into it and changed his username.
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I wasn't pleased with the officiating today. The majority of bad calls/no-calls hurt us.
That being said ...
Make a couple of layups and don't treat the basketball as if it's covered with Crisco, and we win.
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I assume so. It fits his narrative “Clarissa
Explains it All”
I’m
Is Clarissa actually Fluffy? I was just curious.
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I wasn't pleased with the officiating today. The majority of bad calls/no-calls hurt us.
That being said ...
Make a couple of layups and don't treat the basketball as if it's covered with Crisco, and we win.
Why can't we simply grab the ball?? it has literally lost games for us.
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I assume so. It fits his narrative “Clarissa
Explains it All”
I’m
if Clarissa brings out a ‘deal with it’, then for sure it’s Fluffy
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if Clarissa brings out a ‘deal with it’, then for sure it’s Fluffy
It is
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Is Clarissa actually Fluffy? I was just curious.
Techinacally Fluffy was Sultan of (insert constantly changing name)
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I don't mind that we get called for fouls. We play a style where we are going to commit fouls.
My complaint is when our opponent has one foul over a course of 15 minutes. Off the top of my head Georgetown, both Villanova games, both Creighton games, seemed to have our opponent go nearly the entire half with 0-2 fouls. It's not like we are settling for jump shots either. We seem to be drawing contact. It just isn't called.
Any idea on how to get more fouls called on our opponents outside of flopping?
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They are “facts” shaped by your bias.
They were plenty consistent. Your bias is clouding your judgement.
One thing I have learned on scoop through the years is that scoopers are TERRIBLE judges of refereeing. In fact it’s pretty embarrassing how bad the entire fan base is at this.
If there is one thing we know about Sultan/Fluffy is that the refs were fine, they have never cost us a game, and scoopers should stop complaining about them…….Clarissa is Fluffy is Sultan.
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I don't mind that we get called for fouls. We play a style where we are going to commit fouls.
My complaint is when our opponent has one foul over a course of 15 minutes. Off the top of my head Georgetown, both Villanova games, both Creighton games, seemed to have our opponent go nearly the entire half with 0-2 fouls. It's not like we are settling for jump shots either. We seem to be drawing contact. It just isn't called.
Any idea on how to get more fouls called on our opponents outside of flopping?
Creighton was called for 8 fouls the entire game, and that includes the intentional foul they took with 5 seconds left. I get that Marquette’s style leads to fouls - I just want the game to be reffed the same both ways, and Sunday it wasn’t.