Why does everyone think that SMU has a huge athletic budget? Last I heard, they were 98 million in the red for the past decade. Does anyone know why their fans think they can outbid 2.6 mill a year? Am I missing something?
Probably because of their endowment. They are one of probably 50 schools in the country with an endowment over $1billion. On a per student basis, that is north of $100K per student. Very impressive.
Marquette ain't close to that level, about $400 million
http://www.marquette.edu/endowment/endowment-performance.shtml
Can anyone name a conference cellar dweller program with no legacy in hoops that hired a "big name".and it worked?
I don't see Tubby Smith at Minnesota or Oliver Purnell at Depaul. Tearing it up.
Hire a hot assistant like Benford and let him go to work. That is how its done.
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"It's SMU... It's SMU"
Seriously, though, is that reporter doing lines off of her laptop?
All joking aside...SMU has a basketball team?
I knew they had a very impressive endowment, but athletic budget's aren't directly related to endowment. A university can only use so much of their endowment each year, or otherwise it loses it's economic purpose. Harvard would be unstoppable with their endowment of $32 billion, if that were the case ;D
All joking aside...SMU has a basketball team?
some funny tweets about Buzz to SMU:
Twitter Tracker
Have fun reading this exercise in futility.
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60597
Why does everyone think that SMU has a huge athletic budget? Last I heard, they were 98 million in the red for the past decade. Does anyone know why their fans think they can outbid 2.6 mill a year? Am I missing something?
oh crap, and a new Presidential library too, we are screwed....
an aside - you would think with all that money and a huge commitment to be a national player, you think could have possibly done a little better than June Jones?
(specially if Pilarz and the domer are squeezing Buzz)
very well said brew. and exactly correct.
i lived in texas for ten years and couldnt wait to get out btw. but this is how they think. they think that the world revolves around everything texas. luckily the rest of the country doesnt share that view
hope not, but I know they also don't want tickets, assaults coming from the b ball program and may make program policy changes that knowingly or not may irk Buzz. Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance shows me that's possible.
hope not, but I know they also don't want tickets, assaults coming from the b ball program and may make program policy changes that knowingly or not may irk Buzz. Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance shows me that's possible.
Can you elaborate on Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance?
Larry didn't say anything about Buzz's dance that Buzz didn't say about Buzz's dance.
very well said brew. and exactly correct.
i lived in texas for ten years and couldnt wait to get out btw. but this is how they think. they think that the world revolves around everything texas. luckily the rest of the country doesnt share that view
Austin is a cool city. I think Buzz would leave for the right job if he's unhappy. SMU is not the right job. But a Big 12 power....UT, Kansas, maybe
Edit...also I think/hope that he's not unhappy, but only he knows what's in his heart of hearts
Austin is a cool city to visit. I wouldn't want to live there long term. I see it a lot like Madison in it's political views and UT is a very liberal school. I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder if his conservative religious views makes him comfortable at Mu.
I think all the hand wringing about our coaches leaving is crap. MU is a top level job in (as of right now) maybe the highest profile basketball conference. Fans of the program should act like it is. Maybe that's why (some) of the media both national and local think of MU as stepping stone job because their own fan base feels that way.
How do you presume to know whether Buzz's religious views are liberal or conservative.
As for Austin, it is the best city to live in Texas.
Here's the article.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html
I didn't read it at the time. It was probably discussed here on the scoop but...sort of strange responses by L. Williams. Perhaps I just don't expect such candor from an AD? Undecided on how I feel about it.
You have to actually read the post. What I said was, "I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder..."
Austin is a matter of taste you can't say definitively "it is the best city to live in" It would not be where i chose to live in Texas if I had to.
I read it just fine. You didn't read what you typed.
You said that you don't pretend to know what he thinks.
Then you said in a separate thought that he has conservative religious beliefs. What would lead you to believe that he has conservative religious beliefs? I believe the man has strong religious beliefs, but nothing about him makes me think they are conservative or liberal.
As for Austin, yes, it would be my opinion. I'd challenge you to look at any sort of metric though and find a better place to live in Texas.
I think the point I was making was pretty clear. Definately not worthy of being challanged by you. and I dont have the time to find any sort of metric as you put it, I lived there for long enough to form my own opinion first hand.
Fair enough.
i may be mistaken but hasnt buzz already said or intimated that the religious aspect of mu makes him comfortable. I may be wrong about that. Maybe it was someone on here making that statement
As for Austin, yes, it would be my opinion. I'd challenge you to look at any sort of metric though and find a better place to live in Texas.
Maybe to you it was. Anyway, I would never live in any part of Texas... :)
The whole point of what I was getting at is that I don't think that many basketball coaches are swayed by religion, or the religious affiliation of the school they will be coaching at.
Its great that Buzz is religious, but he can be religious at most schools.
You have to actually read the post. What I said was, "I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder..."
Austin is a matter of taste you can't say definitively "it is the best city to live in" It would not be where i chose to live in Texas if I had to.
bye bye
Maybe so...but at least we wont be in Milwaukee....
Wonder if Buzz feels the same way...
Good talk..death penalty, ect...You are very witty....
Yes I would rather be terrible in Dallas and in the big east with Buzz, than reside or hang out in Milwaukee...
potawatomi is pretty cool!!!
money talks
You have no clue...That statement makes it obvious....
You have no clue...That statement makes it obvious....
Maybe he doesn't want it to be matched...
Milwaukee does suck...and you speak with no knowledge of what SMU can or will pay...
bye bye
I live in chicago...milwaukee is far from beautiful...
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Charts pretty damn small, i take it the blue bloods are on the right of that chart.
Marquette is UW students safety school...
I know that we can out pay Marquette without question, we just won't have to....
No reason getting into pissing contest(which we would win), Im glad you guys are committed you should applaud our desire to compete...
http://dallas.sbnation.com/2012/3/20/2886562/smu-basketball-coaching-search-matt-doherty
Most Marquette kids can't get into SMU...and that's ok...
Its not about academics or endowments or being endowed something very few of you know anything about...
The point is you should be thrilled we are going to compete in the same conference and we are just going to take your coach so we can get to your level...no biggie...I applaud you for your effort...
Comeon, he's sooo cute! Can we keep him?
This guy is clearly not an actual SMU fan/alum. He's a Badger fan/MU-hater just messing with people.
Marquette average ACT 25
sat 1160
SMU is 29 and 1290
To be fair, Texas was bashed a few times before he started ragging on Milwaukee.
Let me get this straight. You come on this board, start ragging on Milwaukee, a city that a lot of people here love and would rather live in than Dallas. (Don't know how Buzz feels about it.) And then says "money will talk," without having the clue that Marquette has the money to match any offer that SMU makes. That is an undeniable fact.
If Buzz leaves, it won't be for more money.
Well Lazer....
Now that we are in big east I expect our budget to double but most likely triple...
50mil renovation on stadium is being done currently...the Mavericks use our 2010 practice facility...so all we need is the right coach...and some players...but that stems from the coach...
ok lazer Marquette is going to start spending 25 mil a year in bball...
good talk...
ok lazman....What does he need a CC membership for? The man is always working. I doubt he would play 5 times a year.
we will probably outlaying at least 10 mil on buzz after buyout, first years salary, moving expenses, cars, country club membership....
Buzz and benford both coming...Enjoy! Sounds like things are looking up in whatever the hell town SMU is located in. Maybe John Wooden will agree to sit on the bench as a "special advisor".
Supposedly he thinks your new AD is a beat off...and he also wants to move back to texas...
We will prob pay 3 a year and then the nice buyout you guys threw on the deal, which was very well done...
Lazer we raise 3 mil with 1 phone call....his salary will not be paid by the school...His salary is currently not paid by the school, either. All it took was one phone call as well - but likely the phone call was incoming, not outgoing. ;)
This is like deja vu reading all the comments from the Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Oklahoma fans last year.
Only difference is we have already stated the buyout won't be an issue...where those schools wouldn't pay it...
Only difference is we have already stated the buyout won't be an issue...where those schools wouldn't pay it...
There was an Oklahoma fan who's parents were big boosters and said the inner-circle of boosters got together to come up with the cash.
I would never say things won't happen in today's sports world. If somebody would have told me 20 years ago that Strong would be so active I would not have believed it. The game has changed and literally anything is possible. My greatest fear when it comes to Buzz is something crazy happening and he cannot say no. One beautiful thing of taking over a struggling program is that your timetable for success moves further out.If that is how Buzz thinks they can have him. He'll never win jack here anyway if that's his thought process.
Honestly if I were a coach today and not in the "upper elite" programs I might opt for lateral or slighty backward movement in job to protect myself. Buzz has a bar which will continue to move higher at MU with success which leads to possible disappointment. MU can win NC but it is not a job expectation here but fan expectations have risen. Two years of missing NCAA, do not think it will happen, would make nativs restless. New program with hopes but not expectations really is not bad option.
You have a basketball team, we have a basketball program.
So, Goodman is to Buzz as Katz is to Crean and Don Walker is to bo?Fixed.
This sounds really crazy but Buzz would be able to recruit great at that school. It has extremely powerful Alums that are willing to put their money down for a winner.
This sounds really crazy but Buzz would be able to recruit great at that school. It has extremely powerful Alums that are willing to put their money down for a winner.
Buzz and Bedford are coming thanks...
Excited to get this big east party started....
Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....
Excited to get this big east party started....
Lake Geneva resorts? Is this the 80s?
I meant make sure you keep posting after everything to have stated is wrong. It will be too easy to runaway when you find out you're an idiot.
We won't be there long with buzz and Bedford....maybe never...otherwise you guys wouldn't be so angry that we are taking him...
The buyout will provide you guys with plenty of cash to replace him with....
We will both be better off
Has a coach ever left a BE school for another BE school? Is that even allowed?
On September 24, 2010, the regular season attendance record was set at Gerald J. Ford Stadium when 35,481 people watched the TCU Horned Frogs face off against the SMU Mustangs. TCU won the game, 41–24. The overall attendance record is set at 36,742 for the 2010 Armed Forces Bowl between SMU and the Army Black Knights.
No rule to prevent it. Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent. SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.
Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU. They have more money than God down there. Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money. They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty. Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming. Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.
The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates. They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football. Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted. SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has. Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East? Rick Majerus anyone? Cough cough. We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East.
This is what SMU is trying to do. Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU. It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible. It's home and it's private. Oh, and it's a religious school. For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own.
This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest. Always this possibility. Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas).
No rule to prevent it. Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent. SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.
Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU. They have more money than God down there. Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money. They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty. Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming. Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.
The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates. They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football. Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted. SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has. Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East? Rick Majerus anyone? Cough cough. We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East.
This is what SMU is trying to do. Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU. It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible. It's home and it's private. Oh, and it's a religious school. For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own.
This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest. Always this possibility. Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas).
SMU is the preppy rich kid school of Texas. Marquette is a good middle class hard working school. Buzz has a happy family here. Buzz has a great nucleus coming back and more recruiting classes.
Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.
If Buzz leaves because of his relationship with Larry Williams, I would be just as disappointed in Buzz for throwing in the towel after just a few months of working together. Relationships can be repaired and Buzz should know this. Remember how he yanked Jamil around during his recruitment? Well, that worked itself out.
Leaving MU would not be a slap at your school. Texans love living in TX. I cannot wait to return.SMU is a great school in a great, growing city. Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.
SMU has (or will have) great facilities for basketballl. There is no reason he cannot succeed with the resources he will have. With the move to the Big East, the school is stepping up to rebuild our BB program. Buzz or no Buzz, we won't be Depaul.
As for academics, there were three SMU alums in my graduate school class at Yale. In my fraternity alone, we had people admitted to law/b-school school at UT, Vandy, Harvard, Yale, SMU, Stanford, and various medical schools.
Finally, while there are certainly rich kids at SMU (my girlfriend got a diamond faced Rolex for graduation), most of the students come from middle class families. As a little girl, my mother was a migrant farm worker in South Texas with the other Mexican immigrants. Despite being a minority and middle class (mom is a public school teacher), SMU students were universally welcoming.
Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....
Excited to get this big east party started....
Only when flights connect at DFW. Or maybe hou meant the population in Texas. But Texas, especially Dallas, isnt all that appealing. It's a series of disconnected suburbs with no meaningful downtown, poor mass transit and no identity. Really. The hospitality industry in Dallas struggles to attract people for business and pleasure. What is Dallas know for? Personally, I'll take Fort Worth over Dallas. At least it has that without the pretentious attitude. And no one wants to go to FW.
Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.
Si, Senor.
So Buzz is so desperate to get out of Milwuakee that he will take the next job offer, after turning down, oklahoma, a&m, Arkansas and Illinois? This makes no sense.
As it was said above, SMU is career suicide for Buzz.
The DFW Metroplex is one of the fastest growing areas in the country. Insulting Dallas with Ft Worth is funny b/c it is part of what the Metroplex offers. The Metroplex has a vibrant economy based upon tech, telecom, energy, banking, and transportation.
In contrast, Milwaukee has been shrinking since the 60's. Milwaukee has ???? to attract new businesses and residents.
source: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100324-Dallas-Fort-Worth-area-topping-the-7663.ece
The DFW Metroplex is one of the fastest growing areas in the country. Insulting Dallas with Ft Worth is funny b/c it is part of what the Metroplex offers. The Metroplex has a vibrant economy based upon tech, telecom, energy, banking, and transportation.
In contrast, Milwaukee has been shrinking since the 60's. Milwaukee has ???? to attract new businesses and residents.
source: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100324-Dallas-Fort-Worth-area-topping-the-7663.ece
OK, this is nice....somewhat inaccurate since the Milwaukee metropolitan area has been steadily growing for decades....but not sure how this is relevant to a basketball coach.
A prior post suggested Dallas was somehow stagnant. Certainly not. I didn't want to take a shot at Milwaukee. I am sure it is a nice place and people enjoy living there.I would like to say that Jake Thomas has Jimmer range.
Think about it this way. Could MU normally steal the head coach from Duke/NC/UCLA/KY after a great season there? Almost certainly not.
BUT, if that coach grew up in Milwaukee (and his wife was from Wisconsin), had family there, and liked it, would he consider leaving for MU if they made it worth his while and made a commitment to give him the tools he needs to succeed? Under that scenario, you "might" give a different answer.
Will SMU get Buzz? The fans actually don't care. We are enjoying the fact that:
1) we are finally going to escape CUSA where we are forced to play schools that our fans could care less about;
2) we are joining a great conference with good universities that we respect academically (except for a couple of schools which shall remain nameless); and
3) we are purging the last self imposed handcuffs placed on our teams by the administration after the DP.
If we don't get Buzz, we will get someone good b/c we aren't going to settle for the HC of a third-tier school.
Peace.
If we don't get Buzz, we will get someone good b/c we aren't going to settle for the HC of a third-tier school.
BUT, if that coach grew up in Milwaukee (and his wife was from Wisconsin), had family there, and liked it, would he consider leaving for MU if they made it worth his while and made a commitment to give him the tools he needs to succeed? Under that scenario, you "might" give a different answer.
IWB Tweet:Smart to listen.
"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening. Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"
IWB Tweet:
"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening. Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"
Again you way over estimate money. It matters to a point and MU is at that point for basketball. Doubling or tripling the endowment would not change anything for the basketball program.
The largest endowment in the Big East is ND ($6.26 billion in 2011). I don't see them blowing the doors of the rest of the conference. Would you rather be them or MU (in basketball)?
Northwestern has the second biggest endowment in the Big 10, just after Michigan (Michigan $7.8 billion, NU $7.2 billion). How has this helped their revenue sports programs?
Duke has the largest endowment in the ACC ($5.75 billion). Is this money the reason for their basketball success? Why doesn't this money mean a better football program?
Endowment is the wrong metric. It's well-heeded patrons of the sport. See Boone Pickens and his support of Oklahoma State football.
MU has Dick Strong.
Lastly, SMU has a large endowment when measured against MU. But at $1.2 billion fully 59 schools have larger endowments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment
IWB Tweet:
"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening. Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"
If you think this is a reason for a head basketball coach to want the SMU job, then why only go after Buzz? Go after Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim, Jim Colhoun, Bill Self, Rick Pitino, Tom Crean, Thad Motta, John Calipari or Bo Ryan? They all coach in crap hole dying northern cities.
IWB Tweet:
"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening. Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"
Gee thanks IWB...now the board will go into meltdown mode. FWIW, I don't think Buzz goes anywhere.
Does anybody have Larry Williams' email? We need to flood his inbox and let him know that if SM f*cking U is able to steal MU's best head coach since Al for no other reason than because our AD is a twatface that he will find himself quickly unemployed. In much more civil words, of course. But not much.
PRN will have to cancel his tickets. What was the quote, "I will stay as long as MU will have me". Meltdown won't begin to cover it. Maybe he is angling for another raise, like the previous coach used to do and get blasted here for it. You have to admit it, there is some exception irony going on in all this.
Get out the popcorn
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Does anybody have Larry Williams' email? We need to flood his inbox and let him know that if SM f*cking U is able to steal MU's best head coach since Al for no other reason than because our AD is a twatface that he will find himself quickly unemployed. In much more civil words, of course. But not much.
Does anybody have Larry Williams' email? We need to flood his inbox and let him know that if SM f*cking U is able to steal MU's best head coach since Al for no other reason than because our AD is a twatface that he will find himself quickly unemployed. In much more civil words, of course. But not much.
I used to actually believe you weren't Chicos...
If Buzz leaves to SMU I will place the blame completely upon him. This would be a worse exodus than Crean by far.
Leaving MU would not be a slap at your school. Texans love living in TX. I cannot wait to return.SMU is a great school in a great, growing city. Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.
SMU has (or will have) great facilities for basketballl. There is no reason he cannot succeed with the resources he will have. With the move to the Big East, the school is stepping up to rebuild our BB program. Buzz or no Buzz, we won't be Depaul.
As for academics, there were three SMU alums in my graduate school class at Yale. In my fraternity alone, we had people admitted to law/b-school school at UT, Vandy, Harvard, Yale, SMU, Stanford, and various medical schools.
Finally, while there are certainly rich kids at SMU (my girlfriend got a diamond faced Rolex for graduation), most of the students come from middle class families. As a little girl, my mother was a migrant farm worker in South Texas with the other Mexican immigrants. Despite being a minority and middle class (mom is a public school teacher), SMU students were universally welcoming.
Well, I would hope Buzz would handle the PR aspect of it better than Crean did. But in terms of where a coach is coming from and going too, it would be a huge slap in the face.
But otherwise I agree, if there is BW/LW friction, it is likely because of discipline and/or program perception issues. And those come from real incidents, involving kids that Buzz brought in.
p.s. If he does leave, don't blame Larry Williams.
IWB says it could be a bumpy ride. I essentially say the same thing and now the conspiracy claims come out again.
By the way, can you explain to me how he was at the game the other day taking these pictures (nice seats he had) while I was here on chat with Hilltopper and the rest of the group during the game?
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2012/03/disappointing-end-to-successful-season.html
Sultan may also be talking about how Williams was just hired a few months ago. Does someone leave because of a new boss only a few months ago? It takes two parties to form a relationship, not just one. So Buzz would be partly culpable in that relationship. That is how I read Sultan's comments.
Well either the man is the kind of liar that would make Gary Barnett and Nick Saban blush, or we've got our balls in a bunch for nothing.
Buzz Williams, Nov. 2011:
“I don’t ever want to be labeled, and just because I’m from Texas doesn’t mean I should work in Texas,” Williams said. “I’m not leaving Junior Cadougan. I’m not leaving Chris [Otule]. I’m not leaving Jae. I’m not leaving DJ [Darius Johnson-Odom]. And no dollar amount is gonna make me leave them.
“And that may mean we get our ass beat all year long this year, I don’t know,” he continued. “But like momma says, ‘Don’t mess with happy,’ and I’m happy.”
p.s. If he does leave, don't blame Larry Williams.
For fun, what is the tax situation in Texas vs Wisconsin on a salary because of Texas having no state income taxes?
On $2,000,000 salary
Net pay for Texas would be $1,290,367.30
Same salary in Wisconsin would be $1,138,156.68
A difference of $152,000
Over a 5 year period, that's $760K in added income. $1.52Million over 10 years.
Not chump change
It would be awesome if somone invented some kind of portable device that one could carry into an arena, and use to take photos and chat online.
Oh well, maybe someday.
You're right. DePaul at least has tradition on their side.
That's part of it yeah...but also if Buzz is upset because he doesn't have Cottingham around, who was a guy who clearly had to go, and is chafing in working for a guy who holds him to a higher standard, then well...
Look, I love Buzz and want him here for a long time. But he's not irreplaceable. MU is bigger than a coach....three of our last four have gotten us into the Sweet 16.
This is silly. If it came down to this, MU would bump him $200k to make it even.
That would be awesome, but two things that I would contend on this.
1) Do you really think he would be on chat while watching a game in the stands? I don't.
2) More importantly, the chat on Scoop is run on Adobe Flash. iPhones don't work on flash. I happen to know he uses an iPhone because I have received emails from him from time to time. I received one from him that day because I was having issues with my account here and I emailed him for Hilltopper's email address and he responded back from his iPhone with that email address.
If Buzz leaves to SMU I will place the blame completely upon him. This would be a worse exodus than Crean by far.
It would be devastating. but SMU buzz?
Here is the complete list of Sweet Sixteen appearances by school:
Kentucky: 43
North Carolina: 32
Kansas: 27
Louisville: 24
Indiana: 21
Syracuse: 20
Michigan State: 16
Marquette: 15
Ohio State: 14
Cincinnati: 11
North Carolina State: 11
Florida: 8
Wisconsin: 6
Xavier: 6
Baylor: 4
Ohio: 3
Oh God, yes.
There's an app for that.
Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"? To SMU? You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke. Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?
Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"? To SMU? You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke. Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?You have to listen. Its about relationships. However, it upsets me.
In the last 20 years, MU's sweet 16 appearances is 4.
Where did you hear that "he is listening"?
IWB
https://twitter.com/theIWB/status/183968775048142848
You seem to relish this point.
Where did you hear that "he is listening"?
Texas is one thing, but SMU? This would make Marquette ball look pretty bad.
Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"? To SMU? You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke. Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?
I think Williams has more cache than Crean these days.
Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"? To SMU? You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke. Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?
Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.
Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.
He is listening because he feels slighted and his balls were squeezed. Nobody wants to be bashed by their boss in public or be mandated on how to run a program. Last years assault scared the hell out of the school and they ran scared. Buzz has too much power and too big of a salary for what the school wants from the program.
If Buzz leaves you can say goodbye to a major basketball program. For Buzz even to listen to crap jobs is him fighting back against the brass. I said earlier he is loose cannon and the ball squeezers might learn how loose.
If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.
Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.
I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.
BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?
I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.
If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.
Yep, believe me.....if Buzz goes, it's not because Buzz wants to, it's because the Admin has told him to go.
So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?
If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.
Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.
I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.
BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?
I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.
If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.
If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.
Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.
Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.
Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.
Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.
I am sorry but except for vocal minority most fans accepted our down time too easily. There is a segment of people, myself included, that wants and expects elite status. Vast majority believe S16 is playing with house money. The school understands that most fans do not think we can be elite...so why risk it?
It all comes down to what expectations of program are going forward. This idiot wanted us to reach for the stars during last hiring process like SMU apparently is doing now. Being SLU and paying coach accordingly is not stupid idea....just not one I want to see us make. If we do not think we can be elite in next five years w do not need Buzz.
That last, bolded part is the part to focus on.
1. I hardly believe MU administration doesn't care if basketball program is "downgraded" now that the Big East is changing in landscape. Men's BB is the golden goose for the entire athletic department and the recent resurgence (from crean to Buzz) only highlights its importance and the possibility to maintain top 20 status for the program.
2. If Buzz were to leave because the administration is "squeezing" him to hold his players more accountable off the court then he is a hypocrite to what he preaches and I am fine with him leaving.
3. If he leaves, my search would begin and end with Shaka Smart who has roots in the state is a hot commodity and was listening to Illinois job.
I love Buzz and hope he is at MU for a long time...but if he goes, he goes. I'm not going to blame administration of the university unless they hire a clunker to replace him.
"Being here as long as I'm wanted" is open to interpretation. Assume Buzz was instructed to tighten up his guys. That can be construed as I'm no longer wanted.
I repeat, remember neither Pilarz nor Larry had a hand in Buzz' hiring.
So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.
Agree.
If he leaves for UT, then I'll shrug it off as a promotion and the nature of the business.
If he leaves for SMU, it just seems more selfish, right? Either he is going for the $, or because he's mad at MU.
Just doesn't sit well for me. In fact, I don't even like the idea that he is "listening". I mean, he just got a BIG contract last year.
If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.Just to clarify.....it's Buzz that would look like the idiot.....not MU.
The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.
If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.
I would definitely say Larry Williams would have some of the blame. Of course he wouldn't be responsible for all of the blame, but let's be honest here, Buzz Williams, not Larry Williams or Fr. Pillarz, is the face of Marquette University. Larry Williams came in and within months is talking about how Buzz needs to change his ways or he will either kill himself or insult somebody beyond repair, and he does this in public, to a newspaper. That is something you sit him down in your office and tell him. It was a complete douche move. Buzz apologized over and over and it should have been done at that, but then Larry decides he needs the limelight to bash Buzz and brings the issue back into focus. This was a guy who danced due to an emotional win, not some guy who molested ball boys. It should have been a non-issue after Buzz's apologies in the post game press conference, but Larry went ahead and blew it up. It was dumb and he was trying to prove he has power above Buzz. Buzz would be saying "Take this for power."
I don't remember Cottingham ever doing anything like that. Buzz certainly danced against Louisville a couple years ago, and that was while the game was still going on and we were up twenty points. Larry Williams reacted ridiculously to Buzz's dance.
The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.And the head coach from the University of New Orleans.
Why? If someone offered you a 30% raise and you didn't particularly like your boss, you wouldn't listen? I know people question how athletes/coaches can be influenced by money when they're set for life whether their contract says $2 million a year or $2.6 million a year, but what if your salary is currently $75,000 and you were offered $90,000 and a boss who you can get along with a lot better and work with better? Are you being selfish, or doing what is best for you?
This is all so silly. You should all stop letting the SMU visitors and Goose get to you. Buzz will be coaching Marquette next year. And even if he isn't - it's a problem, but it's not the end of the program.
It's not?? When all the current players leave, and the incoming recruits ask out, and the AD hires a Coach at a lessor salary because he believes MU can never be Elite in hoop so why pay for something you will never get?? Will you be happy with being SLU?? Because that's what the vision is for the admin.
So in the unlikely sceario that Buzz leaves, who is at the top of our list?
Bennett? Jeter? McCaffrey? Wardle? Aki Collins????
Muguru...I am not the guy reporting Buzz is talking to SMU. It is amazing how many on hear only want to hear MU stroke off comments. Funny thing is I would say my opinion of Buzz and his program is off the charts positive.
Right on Ners. Buzz has put us on the map.
Did this really happen?? The 2nd paragraph stuff I bolded? If Larry Williams did in fact say that crap, and go overboard on the whole WVU thing - he needs to be fired/replaced immediately. Period. You don't come into a place and in 3 months call out your most valuable asset in your department. Buzz never should have had to apologize for the dance period. He was celebrating, having fun...national media picked up on it, a lot of people LOVED it..who cares if it offended 5% of the population? Buzz is single handedly putting MU back on the national stage a la Al McGuire and we have some politically correct "suit" trying to corral what is far and away the most colorful, talented, asset we have as a university?? Please.
"I want to hammer out a plan on what we are going to do and what we are not going to do," Williams said.
But as the Golden Eagles start looking ahead to the NCAA men's basketball tournament, Williams already has decided one thing.
"I expect Buzz back. Want him back," Williams said. "I think we started something good with him. . . . I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach."
Last year, Buzz Williams signed a new contract with a rollover that reportedly pays him $2 million a year. Larry Williams did not disclose details of the deal but said Marquette has the coach under contract for multiple years.
Larry Williams, a former professional football player, likes his head coach's zeal for the game. But he was a little concerned when Williams did a little dance on the floor at West Virginia after his Golden Eagles defeated the Mountaineers recently. Buzz Williams quickly apologized.
"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long-term success, you have to channel that and control that," the athletic director said. "He was happy as a clam to dance across the court, but he didn't think about offending somebody else.
"But that is his passion and exuberance. He is either going to explode because his tie is on too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable."
Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.
Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.UCLA has been to 3 of the last 7 Final Fours. They're having a few down years, but I would hardly say they've fallen off the face of the earth.
I agree completely. Here is the article I am referring to:
http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/goldeneagles/141323703.htm
The interesting part to me is:
I think this whole thing is interesting. Why do you even have to say that you expect to have Buzz back? Why even hint that it's possible he leaves when he's already at Marquette? Then the bolded part is ridiculous.
It's exceptionally unlikely that Buzz Williams is where is today if he were so fragile that those comments would deeply offend him, especially when those comments pretty much parrot everything Buzz said about the dance. Sheesh, the guy practically went on a national radio tour to apologize for the dance.
As for wanting him back, those comments aren't illustrative of anything without knowing the context in which thhey were made. If interviewer asks: "Do you want Buzz Williams back?" how else would you expect LW to answer?
Really, if Buzz would flee to a third-tier program like SMU because he's so hurt by those comments, it says far more about him than it does Larry Williams.
Right...they could fall off the map with the wrong hire. However, when you have a solid foundation, you can get right back up with the right hire. We aren't SLU.
I think this whole story is making something out of relatively nothing.
So SMU asked for permission. Great, happens with every coaching search.
So MU granted said permission. Pretty regular occurrence too - it's hard to attract future coaches if word gets out that you won't let them explore future opportunities.
And lo and behold, some SMU fan sites are reporting what may or may not be part of the package.
ho-hum. So what you're telling me is it's late March. yawn.
Pakini...if you or anyone else think the JS comments are what caused the hard feelings you are crazy. I have said on here for two months that Buzz was called on the carpet in private and he felt unjustly. The suspensions were either directive from school or Buzz making a point to rub his unhappiness into admin's face. Would add the comments from LW were foolish and did not help things.
But going to quickly become that if Buzz leaves. The players will bolt, the recruits will leave, and it will be back to mid major status. Just like some desire it to be. Pathetic.
It's exceptionally unlikely that Buzz Williams is where is today if he were so fragile that those comments would deeply offend him, especially when those comments pretty much parrot everything Buzz said about the dance. Sheesh, the guy practically went on a national radio tour to apologize for the dance.
As for wanting him back, those comments aren't illustrative of anything without knowing the context in which thhey were made. If interviewer asks: "Do you want Buzz Williams back?" how else would you expect LW to answer?
Really, if Buzz would flee to a third-tier program like SMU because he's so hurt by those comments, it says far more about him than it does Larry Williams.
Yeah. Right. We can replace him no problem. In fact, that would be the smart play. Yeah. Right.
Buzz has not "put us on the map." He didn't take us to our last final four. He wasn't around when we got invited to the BE. MU basketball was around before Buzz, it will be around after Buzz.
Right on Ners. Buzz has put us on the map. He apologizing over and over again for the dance was crazy. He had a blast and put us under a spotlight by having fun. it is the PC crowd that freaks when someone is different. Al freaked me out and Buzz is freaking them out. On national scale Buzx has become a star and our AD and President want to throw wet blanket over him. I say stoke the fire and enjoy the ride.
"Being here as long as I'm wanted" is open to interpretation. Assume Buzz was instructed to tighten up his guys. That can be construed as I'm no longer wanted.
I repeat, remember neither Pilarz nor Larry had a hand in Buzz' hiring.
And perhaps he can do it in an environment devoid of some of the idiocy that can permeate some in the MU administration and community...as in Sultan who seems to think you can just bring any coach in here and we'll be Sweet 16 caliber. Mike Deane anyone??
Yeah. Right. We can replace him no problem. In fact, that would be the smart play. Yeah. Right.
Cottingham had the wisdom to hire from inside and retain Buzz. I have little faith in the empty suit's ability to hire another Buzz.
Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.
Are you for real? We have the #2 basketball budget in the country. We pay our coach over $2 million per year. We committed to the Big East. We built the Al McGuire Center. To suggest we are not committed and merely want to be SLU is exaggeration.
Are you for real? We have the #2 basketball budget in the country. We pay our coach over $2 million per year. We committed to the Big East. We built the Al McGuire Center. To suggest we are not committed and merely want to be SLU is exaggeration.Can we just have this jack a$$ banned again please??
The administration has to protect the school and it's image. That is a fine line when it comes to athletics. If they feel that we have been in the news too much because of bad behavior of members of the team, that is their right as leaders of the university to put the screws down. We are a university, not just a basketball program. For all the good of Marquette hoops the last few years, there has been plenty of embarrassment also which I'm sure some in the administration are not too happy about.
You can have one without the other. MU has had other moments of greatness without the off the court headlines and other schools are able to do it as well. Buzz just needs to clamp down a little harder. Win at all costs is not acceptable at MU nor should it be. Buzz will stay, he'll have to be a little smarter with some of his selections, that is all. It can be done.
Just like when Crean left and MU hired some unknown assistant, Tyshawn Taylor asked out of his NLI, etc. etc. etc.
It's not?? When all the current players leave, and the incoming recruits ask out, and the AD hires a Coach at a lessor salary because he believes MU can never be Elite in hoop so why pay for something you will never get?? Will you be happy with being SLU?? Because that's what the vision is for the admin.
Did this really happen?? The 2nd paragraph stuff I bolded? If Larry Williams did in fact say that crap, and go overboard on the whole WVU thing - he needs to be fired/replaced immediately. Period. You don't come into a place and in 3 months call out your most valuable asset in your department. Buzz never should have had to apologize for the dance period. He was celebrating, having fun...national media picked up on it, a lot of people LOVED it..who cares if it offended 5% of the population? Buzz is single handedly putting MU back on the national stage a la Al McGuire and we have some politically correct "suit" trying to corral what is far and away the most colorful, talented, asset we have as a university?? Please.
A lot of people, myself included, were very happy at the time with the Buzz hire. Coaches like Buzz don't grow on trees. Unfortunately, we're on the verge of learning that the hard way.
2. If Buzz leaves for a sad sack program like SMU because of some perceived slight (from a university that four years ago gave him a shot no one else would; from a university that 12 months ago stepped up and paid him huge dollars to stay) it says far more about him and his sense of loyalty than it says about anyone else. Frankly, it would make all his talk about family, and rolling with his guys a big stinking pile of feces.
Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.
Were you in a coma from 2002 to 2008 when we were paying a handsome salary, going to the Final Four and resembled nothing of a program like SLU? Since when have we been happy to be like SLU? This comment is ridiculous.
Now, they may want to clean up the image a bit of MU or at least have Buzz clamp down on some of the off the court stuff. Is that a bad thing? Does anyone like reading that stuff about our school? You can bet the President of the school and BOT don't.
I'm pretty sure you don't truly understand what is REALLY at play here.
But going to quickly become that if Buzz leaves. The players will bolt, the recruits will leave, and it will be back to mid major status. Just like some desire it to be. Pathetic.
Buzx is handcuffed here and that is only reason why he could leave. While I believe our program is on verge of elite I do think we are on dangerously thin ice. I respectfully disagree with anyone who thinks we keep our program on fast track if Buzz leaves. It would be PR disaster if he fled to SMU. Any good cosh would say what the hell is going on there for that to happen.
Chico's....you always have he inside scoop. You make my point, why spend all the many we do to be a hopeful S16 team every few years. I believ strongly they think the risk associated with going from current status to elite is not worth it. Buzz probably is a risk and maybe bigger risk than the reward. We spent a ton of money to be where we are and maybe this is as good as it gets.
Many people could run this program for a lot less money and provide enough success to please many supporters. For the record we played one more game than SLU this year so my comments are not a rip on that. My guess is the return on investment on that program trumped ours.
Chico's...your guy had one season and ran to the bank for six years off Dwade. We trended down every year after FF that Wade gave us. We had chance to capitalize off Wade and failed to do so. If the 2003 was not enough for Crean to make us elite he never could make it happen.
I'm a HUGE fan of Buzz and very much want him to stay, but:
2. If Buzz leaves for a sad sack program like SMU because of some perceived slight (from a university that four years ago gave him a shot no one else would; from a university that 12 months ago stepped up and paid him huge dollars to stay) it says far more about him and his sense of loyalty than it says about anyone else. Frankly, it would make all his talk about family, and rolling with his guys a big stinking pile of feces.
I'm not Chicos. If you wish to reach him, warriornation123@gmail.com. I have my own opinions, I'm sure he has his on this. It would be fun to hear some of them. My position is that Buzz isn't going anywhere and this is crazy talk. I also understand why the university has concerns. Front page of the Chicago Tribune twice, top stories on the news, university breaking state law, etc, etc will have an impact on an administration. To deny that is not realistic.
I'm a HUGE fan of Buzz and very much want him to stay, but:
1. Successful coaches may not grow on trees, but they're out there and Marquette has the money, backing, facilities, affiliations, reputation and traditions to land one. Some of you guys seem to have a bad case of oneitis.
2. If Buzz leaves for a sad sack program like SMU because of some perceived slight (from a university that four years ago gave him a shot no one else would; from a university that 12 months ago stepped up and paid him huge dollars to stay) it says far more about him and his sense of loyalty than it says about anyone else. Frankly, it would make all his talk about family, and rolling with his guys a big stinking pile of feces.
I'm not Chicos. If you wish to reach him, warriornation123@gmail.com. I have my own opinions, I'm sure he has his on this. It would be fun to hear some of them. My position is that Buzz isn't going anywhere and this is crazy talk. I also understand why the university has concerns. Front page of the Chicago Tribune twice, top stories on the news, university breaking state law, etc, etc will have an impact on an administration. To deny that is not realistic.
I don't think anyone is denying it. They are just not talking/posting about it while sporting an erection.
However, this thread has been an enjoyable read for my lazy Sunday though, I think some of us should probably take a few days off.
Generally agree with your viewpoints Pakuni - yet to say no other university would have given Buzz a shot is a stretch - he was known as a hot, young rising, coach. Crean knew he could recruit, and that's what Crean needed, after the fall off in his recruiting in 2003, 2004, and then largely weak classes after the Big 3. Administration got to see Buzz's work ethic for 1 year, how the players responded to him, etc., and they could see they had a star in the making already at the university. Buzz earned the opportunity to become MU's head coach and hasn't disappointed.
Hmmmmmm interesting turn of events it seems. Sounds now like Seth Greenberg's name has surfaced for SMU according to their boards. Did Buzz already say "no thanks"??
Indiana was about as much blue blood at the time of Crean hire as Crean was to being John Wooden. Crean ran to Indiana after begging for the job. He bolted MU more than Indiana courted him.
What is your deal with erections?
What is your deal with erections?
Generally agree with your viewpoints Pakuni - yet to say no other university would have given Buzz a shot is a stretch - he was known as a hot, young rising, coach. Crean knew he could recruit, and that's what Crean needed, after the fall off in his recruiting in 2003, 2004, and then largely weak classes after the Big 3. Administration got to see Buzz's work ethic for 1 year, how the players responded to him, etc., and they could see they had a star in the making already at the university. Buzz earned the opportunity to become MU's head coach and hasn't disappointed.
he's only got one nut.
Just yours, bro. I can hear your pants tightening with some of your posts, others I have agreed with. Tone down your rhetoric a bit and people may actually address your points and not attack you.
he's only got one nut.
I don't think anyone is denying it. They are just not talking/posting about it while sporting an erection.
However, this thread has been an enjoyable read for my lazy Sunday though, I think some of us should probably take a few days off.
Also, not nearly enough dick jokes in this thread.
Where's there is smoke, I always believe there is fire.
If Buzz isn't happy, then he either:
A.) Leaves.
B.) Uses the interest from SMU to reiterate to Pilarz and Williams who is most important at 770 N. 12th Street.
Hoping for B.
I think what most here are failing to realize when wanting to point the finger at Buzz, is this may not be Buzz's choice. Take from that what you will.
I think what most here are failing to realize when wanting to point the finger at Buzz, is this may not be Buzz's choice. Take from that what you will.
Hmmmmmm interesting turn of events it seems. Sounds now like Seth Greenberg's name has surfaced for SMU according to their boards. Did Buzz already say "no thanks"??
You're alluding to a lot of stuff in this thread.
If I'm reading you correctly, you have intimate knowledge of the Marquette athletics department and highly placed alums, and you believe that Marquette views itself as a mid-major athletic school.
Therefore, they are not willing to financially compete with top schools and/or are choosing not to keep Buzz Williams employed.
Is this accurate? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, and/or provide some details.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
My estimate of what that is worth: a handful of poop. An administration lowering sights for their university. What a crock. I hate the offseason.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
If this is even close to true, the resulting debacle will rival the move to rid the University of the Warrior nickname.I have no influence on anybody at MU as my donations aren't quite up to par, but I know the tirade I would direct towards the computer screen as I would read something like that would be epic.
Dude, hate to bust balls, but how the frack do you not follow up on that?
Everything you see, these kids are tethered to the guy and willing to run through brick walls to get his crap done.
Was the finish so emotional because Buzz knew his run was coming to an end? Was it not just seeing a weakened college ball state and knowing he had a top 10 team to make the deep Tournament run? Was the family hug after Murray the result of saying, "soon, soon, we will be somewhere I can run my crap and do this every year without the headaches of the new douchebag A.D. and President?"
These guys seem deeply disconnected from the state of college athletics in 2012. For that, we the people will suffer.
Dude, hate to bust balls, but how the frack do you not follow up on that?
Everything you see, these kids are tethered to the guy and willing to run through brick walls to get his crap done.
Maybe someone needs to show them how much $$$ the program brings in on an annual basis. Plus, someone needs to ask LW and the good Father how alumni would feel if this indeed was the case. If they think the Warrior issue was a sore point, this would be 1,000,000,000,000 times worse.
If he wants to do things the ND way you keep Buzz since he's a proven winner.
Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.
I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.
It is not about money. It is about the perceived risk that comes long with Buzz. Only money issue if they make change...then they go back to mid major mindset.
What is the danger that comes with buzz?
I call bull crap on this. Not on you particularly, but on the statement.
You're trying to tell us that the administration thinks we can only get to the Sweet 16 when just 72 hours ago we were playing for the Elite 8 and shot like crap otherwise we would be there. Taking on a team we already smoked this year.
I find that statement by your alum friend either incoherent or completely out there. This is a program that in the last ten years has a Final Four under its belt and two additional Sweet 16's. If you make it to the Sweet 16, you have a chance for the Elite 8.
I'm sorry, but when you have the second largest budget in NCAA basketball, pay your coach well over $2 million a year, play in the Big East, suggesting Sweet 16 is as high as you can go when we have surpassed that already and had a chance 72 hours ago strikes me as wildly fanciful.
Wait till the attendance drops by 7,000 a game. Think of the money they are saving.......
I call bull crap on this. Not on you particularly, but on the statement.
You're trying to tell us that the administration thinks we can only get to the Sweet 16 when just 72 hours ago we were playing for the Elite 8 and shot like crap otherwise we would be there. Taking on a team we already smoked this year.
I find that statement by your alum friend either incoherent or completely out there. This is a program that in the last ten years has a Final Four under its belt and two additional Sweet 16's. If you make it to the Sweet 16, you have a chance for the Elite 8.
I'm sorry, but when you have the second largest budget in NCAA basketball, pay your coach well over $2 million a year, play in the Big East, suggesting Sweet 16 is as high as you can go when we have surpassed that already and had a chance 72 hours ago strikes me as wildly fanciful.
Some in the administration are afraid of some of the news in the media that doesn't put MU in the best of light. See last year's sexual assault issues. As administrators, they have to also protect the university's image. All of us here love MU basketball. Like most universities, we are in the minority as most professors, administrators, etc view athletics with a skeptical eye. They provide great canvas to get your name out there and provide a recruiting tool for the university. There is the flip side that they can bring tremendous harm to the university (see Notre Dame's recent issues, Penn State, Syracuse, USC, etc, etc).
That is the tradeoff and not everyone is crazy about the tradeoff in the world of academia.
What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately, I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.
Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.
What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately, I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.
Hoop....first time since CUSA that we are going backwards in conference. Things change and so does the target. We spend crazy money to achieve decent levels and may e they think is it really worth it? We spend like we have Kentucky type success and are no better than Xavier.
Again, I call bull crap. You're telling me a former professional athlete that busted his balls to get to the NFL and achieve great things athletically and academically (he's an attorney) believes the basketball program should be irrelevant and athletics aren't important? I don't buy it. It is against his very own personal accomplishments. Notre Dame's basketball program is their 2nd sport. It's all about football at Notre Dame and they are ok with their basketball program having good kids, staying out of the press with bad apples and still making the NCAA tournament. At MU, the basketball program is ND's football program. ND does things quite differently for football than basketball, and Larry Williams would know this. I expect that they will treat MU basketball in the same fashion.
I think there is a difference here. Crean left us, and we were pissed at Crean not the University, so Buzz got a fair shake and opportunity to prove to us he was the guy. He has done so and many love him. If the University pushes Buzz out, I think the negative feelings are not towards some guy in Indiana, but directly to the University. Huge difference.
Hoop....school has to protect itself but either their are real problems or no problems. If real problems publicly address them and/or fire the coach. If the problems are minor treat them as such. If we are going to run scared because other schools had big issues the race is over.
Again, I call bull crap. You're telling me a former professional athlete that busted his balls to get to the NFL and achieve great things athletically and academically (he's an attorney) believes the basketball program should be irrelevant and athletics aren't important? I don't buy it. It is against his very own personal accomplishments. Notre Dame's basketball program is their 2nd sport. It's all about football at Notre Dame and they are ok with their basketball program having good kids, staying out of the press with bad apples and still making the NCAA tournament. At MU, the basketball program is ND's football program. ND does things quite differently for football than basketball, and Larry Williams would know this. I expect that they will treat MU basketball in the same fashion.
Crean left partly because of the university as well. Crean gave us 9 years. Buzz would have given us 4 and should be grateful as anyone that MU gave him a lottery ticket to coach this program. That is also the huge difference.
It's not that black and white.
Can you envision this line of thinking in the athletic department? Why can't you go to the existing coach and say pull back a bunch. You took some chances on some kids early on because you felt you had to in order to fill scholarships and keep the program at a certain level. Now you don't have to do that, you have proven you can coach you don't need to take as many risks. I'll bet there are people in the university that feel that approach is not only workable, but can be successful as it was in years prior at MU and other schools.
So you don't see a problem with an administration dictating to the Head basketball Coach how to run his program?? The Dallas Cowboys are a good example here. Why do you think so many Coaches never want that job?? Because Jerry Jones sticks his nose everywhere in regards to the day to day operations of the football team. He has no business doing that and then expecting his Coach to be successful.
Hoop....first time since CUSA that we are going backwards in conference. Things change and so does the target. We spend crazy money to achieve decent levels and may e they think is it really worth it? We spend like we have Kentucky type success and are no better than Xavier.
The difference of course is that the Cowboys are in the football business...while MU is in the education business and basketball is a means toward that end.
Aren't you Mr. High and Mighty. ::) Not being an alum, I could personally care less about anything that happens with the school in reality. I care about the success of the basketball program, period. And I won't be renewing my season tickets, or making anymore donations(not just to the athletic department) if they run Buzz out.
Well that is your deal. I care a lot more about the University than it's basketball program...even though I realize they are both intertwined. And I'm not being "high and mighty." Basketball simply isn't MU's ultimate goal.
If Buzz do accept the SMU job then we HAVE to go after a big name coach to keep Marquette somewhat relevant.
If Buzz do accept the SMU job then we HAVE to go after a big name coach to keep Marquette somewhat relevant.
Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.
Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.
And what you aren't getting is YOUR(you being an alum) current administration doesn't think that BB is THAT important to a University's image, donations etc. And they are fine with that. They want to "improve the University", by downgrading their bell cow. That's their goal, believe it or not. If you think after that that your University will EVER be the same, and you can still be proud of it, then that's your deal.And you have the great privilege of knowing this information....how exactly?
And what you aren't getting is YOUR(you being an alum) current administration doesn't think that BB is THAT important to a University's image, donations etc. And they are fine with that. They want to "improve the University", by downgrading their bell cow. That's their goal, believe it or not. If you think after that that your University will EVER be the same, and you can still be proud of it, then that's your deal.
So what happens when Buzz stays...
Name one thing LW has done since he's been here that leads you to believe he isn't totally in over his head.
We move on to discussing the lack of attendance and enthusiasm of our current student body at basketball games or if Vander is the antichrist.
Insane assessment. My mind is BLOWN.
Honestly, he hasn't been here long enough to do anything great or anything terrible.
I mean, what could/should Larry do that would make you think he is awesome?
What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately, I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.
Care to elaborate? Buzz has clearly brought MU up a notch since he was hired. We need some one in here that will keep the success going or at the very least
keep us relevant. ESPN loves Shaka Smart. Im just saying :/
1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.
2. Publicly display a modicum of enthusiasm over the new lacrosse team.
3. Publicly congratulate the Men's basketball team, and its coach, on a fine season.
These are very arcane concepts. I only know about them because I am something of a genius. I would not expect LW to know of these things that I teach you.
Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.
I certainly get that to some degree in the sense it would knock you for a loop so how do you respond?
Buzz is an extremely young coach. It's clear he is learning every single day and I've been one to harp on his inexperience before as he's made some very public mistakes but I truly do feel he is rectifying that.
I get that the new crew wants to put their stamp on it but it would be incredibly shortsighted to only give the evidence a 6-10 month evaluation period. Learning to grow is part of the MU culture and it has worked wonders both for the highly visible coaches on our history all the way down to the regular students.
Just never thought, that if MU lost a top notch coach, we should go after an up and comer with loads of potential.
1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.
Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.
My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.
And you have the great privilege of knowing this information....how exactly?
I am an alumnus and care about the academic, student life, athletics and culture of the university. I also want a top notch administration to drive a vision forward for my alma mater. So, please, tell us how you have come to know intimately of the desires, dreams, wishes and culture of our current president and athletic director as it relates to their views on our men's basketball program. Seriously, your request for us to "believe it or not" is somewhat dependent on that nuance.
My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.
Nothing more than SMU wants Buzz and is willingly to pay but it was written by Goodman who is Buzz's BFF so that gives me a 1% concern.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams
As an undergrad in the Fall of 2010, I took the Intro to Sports Leadership course (the first course in the new Masters' program). Buzz came in for a "lesson" (despite the fact that 12 of the 13 of us in the class worked for Athletics in some capacity and already knew him).
The one comment that he repeated multiple times was that he never wanted to coach anywhere else. He wouldn't leave for the NBA, he wouldn't leave for another program. This would be his last job coaching basketball, regardless of how long his tenure lasted.
Whether those comments were made to please the crowd (who's livelihood depends largely on his success), or was entirely honest I don't know. I guess we'll all find out together.
It would be the mother of all gut punches if Buzz Williams were to leave Marquette for Southern Methodist University or any other school.
He has stated publicly and repeatedly that he wants to be at Marquette for as long as Marquette will have him.
Buzz is honest and a man of integrity. He says what he means and means what he says.
And because he says what he means and means what he says, Buzz should state for all to hear and read that Marquette is home.
I'm taking the position that there's no way Buzz leaves this year with Junior (his son) here for one more year.
My intial thoughts when this first broke was the same thing as you. There is NO WAY Buzz could leave those kids. And he couldn't/wouldn't, unless.....it's not his choice.
Until Buzz speaks. This is ALL BS from men in their basements.
That's all we'd be if the BOT, Pilarz, and Larry blow up the byline of this university.
Took a mid major to the final four. He is already proven if u ask me
Totally gotcha. Yeah, I am on board. If Buzz leaves, I agree, MU should try to find a qualified replacement. I was totally leaning toward MU hiring some crumb bum with no upside. Thanks again.
He will respond to any email honestly, send an email and hell probably tell you exactly how he feels.
Why would MU silently push him away anyway? and why would he choose SMU if he was being pushed...this really is idiotic from the so-called guru. Buzz will be back.
1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.
From a donor and alum that would know. It's not that hard to figure out either. If LW and FP cared as much about the BB program as Father Wild and Cottingham did, they would A. Let Buzz run his program the way he sees fit(without cheating of course), let him bring in the type of kids he needs/wants to bring in to try to take MU to the next level, and let him run the basketball operation. They aren't. They are trying to dictate to Buzz how THEY want to see things run. B. If you care about the BB program, you understand that by running Buzz out, the fall out will be astronomical. Almost all(if not all) the current players will leave, the recruits will de commit, and no Coach worth his salt will come in under those circumstances. C. LW now views the current BE(or soon to be current BE) as more of a "mid major" conference than a major conference, and because of that, thinks MU will never achieve greater than Sweet 16's. He figures he can get that from pretty much any Coach, that he doesn't have to pay elite wages to. IOW, they don't feel like they will ever get the return on their investment that they are currently paying, at least not with the "new" vision they have for how the BB side of things should be run(rumblings they MAY be looking at raising the academic standards for incoming athletes....like ND).
I hate that every year we have to suffer a loss and then rumors of our coach leaving. Enough already
That's all we'd be if the BOT, Pilarz, and Larry blow up the byline of this university.
Crean left partly because of the university as well. Crean gave us 9 years. Buzz would have given us 4 and should be grateful as anyone that MU gave him a lottery ticket to coach this program. That is also the huge difference.
Run it as he sees fit. So should he even have a boss? Should he have any accountability at all, or just run it as he sees fit and whatever happens happens. If the team gets his university on the front pages for unsavory activity, it's ok because he should be able to run it as he sees fit.
I'd suggest you become a college basketball fan of Kentucky or Memphis where this stuff truly is allowed.
That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.
4ever....sad part is we have seen this movie before. Why does our history have such negative vibes towards ball program from administration? Al fought it, they all have fought it regardless of who is in charge. We are on the cusp of being really, really relevant and not sure why anyone would jag that up.
He has trouble pronouncing the name DICK STRONG.Actually, I think this is a bigger deal than folks might think. Generally, donors want a modicome of recognition. When one drops six figures, or more, into an institution, those working for that institution ought to at a minimum know how to pronounce the donors' name.
I find that hard to believe for a man of his education. Did he call corpsman and pronounce CORPSE MAN? Smart people make mistakes, especially early on in the job.
Gato....you are flat out wrong.
That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.
Actually, I think this is a bigger deal than folks might think. Generally, donors want a modicome of recognition. When one drops six figures, or more, into an institution, those working for that institution ought to at a minimum know how to pronounce the donors' name.
He was told he needed to win at a bigger stage. He knew his FF free pass was running out and ran before things got hot in the kitchen. IU did not call him, he called them because e could not run fast enough.
He floated his name and made a lot of money because of it. He turned several schools down but he did float his name, and probably initiated contact, for jobs that met his description of elite including Kansas and Ohio State. I can see how people dislike him and his tactics but he had opportunities at many places while at MU and turned them down.
I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.
I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.
You mean Buzz Williams is staying? He's always been so quiet about the matter. It's not like he ever said he intended to stay or anything.
(This isn't a shot at the above poster, more at the out of control lunacy this thread has turned into)
If and when Buzz leaves, no matter what the school or circumstance, I will still like him 100x more than his douche bag predecessor.
You mean Buzz Williams is staying? He's always been so quiet about the matter. It's not like he ever said he intended to stay or anything.
(This isn't a shot at the above poster, more at the out of control lunacy this thread has turned into)
Have your mouthpieces put a couple tidbits out there, get the heat turned up a little to make sure Larry and Pilarz understand the direction MU Nation wants to head in and understand that they don't control him as they may have learned when their phones were blowing up with pissed off donors all day long, get to pitch what might be a nice job for your worthy assistant, make the fans hate SMU which will boost attendance in games against a bottom feeder. All in a day's work. Buzz Williams, ladies and gentlemen, our coach, friggin awesome.
Have your mouthpieces put a couple tidbits out there, get the heat turned up a little to make sure Larry and Pilarz understand the direction MU Nation wants to head in and understand that they don't control him as they may have learned when their phones were blowing up with pissed off donors all day long, get to pitch what might be a nice job for your worthy assistant, make the fans hate SMU which will boost attendance in games against a bottom feeder. All in a day's work. Buzz Williams, ladies and gentlemen, our coach, friggin awesome.
This morning this thread was three pages and dying until IWB's twitter post. Then it blew up to 16 pages.
This is the only new "fact" we have ... per IWB MU granted SMU permission to talk to Buzz and he is "listening" (whatever that means).
Everything else here is made up by grown Men in their basement.
This one?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31960.msg378307#msg378307
This morning this thread was three pages and dying until IWB's twitter post. Then it blew up to 16 pages.
This is the only new "fact" we have ... per IWB MU granted SMU permission to talk to Buzz and he is "listening" (whatever that means).
Everything else here is made up by grown Men in their basement.
Everything else here is made up by grown Men in their basement.
This is the only new "fact" we have ... per IWB MU granted SMU permission to talk to Buzz and he is "listening" (whatever that means).
How many big games did Crean win without Wade? If he failed with his best chance he knew his place in college backing order would go down. He could not win big games and that is a fact. The act was growing old because return on investment was shrinking.
Mods took that one down pretty fast.
The next step after "listening" is "Ladies and gentlemen, SMU is please to welcome it's new coach..." Remember Crean was "listening" to Indiana as far as we knew and he was literally eating dinner in Bloomington a few hours later. There is no intermediate step from here.
Wow, kinda like Deja vu. Our moderators are all powerful. ;D
I say the over/under is 30 pages for this thread by 11:43 tonight.
No, we did not.
For the record, we're amateurs. The Illini board thread on their coaching search is over 350 PAGES now!
For the record, we're amateurs. The Illini board thread on their coaching search is over 350 PAGES now!
I heard your guy was seen having Cheese Fries at Snuffers and house hunting in University Park. Of course, I could be wrong? ;D
Isn't there a rule that a coach can't transfer to another school in the same conference?
I more wonder where Bedford is going to live...
You can have Bedford.
No but on an earlier page it was suggested that SMU is a 2013 entrant to the BE. They are still not completely voted in and an entrance fee still needs to be worked out. Poaching a coach before you're in is bad form and maybe MU can extract some revenge should the worst happens.
Reports saying it's a dome deal, Buzz to SMU.
EDIT: I am an MU fan. Curiosity got the best of me and I spent $10 on the SMU rivals board.
Reports saying it's a dome deal, Buzz to SMU.
EDIT: I am an MU fan. Curiosity got the best of me and I spent $10 on the SMU rivals board.
Actually, the contracts are signed. We are stuck with each other.
I hear Bruce weber is interested in moving to Milwaukee....you've got some gems for posts there 18....keep it up.
Where's Rosiak when we need him?
Right and the Learjet with the pony on its tail was sighted at Mitchell Field.
Instead of talking in circles I believe an email to Buzz showing your support for him and an email to LW saying he better not let the next Al go will be better then talking about rumors on this message board.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA700P/history/20120325/1500Z/KMKE/KDAL
Right and the Learjet with the pony on its tail was sighted at Mitchell Field.
I was responding to the post asking about SMU joining the Big East. Those contracts are signed and complete. SMU and MU will be stuck together shortly.
I doubt Buzz Williams contracts are close to complete. He would be giving up great job. Until I hear him on 1310 the ticket, I will be keeping fingers crossed.
Sorry, what is this buzz email address that supposedly gets to him? Thx
Saw this on the Illini board... is this even possible?
Let me rephrase SMU has offered Buzz Williams a multi year contract for over 20 million and are in current negotiations.
That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.
What's the wager? Buzz and Benford to SMU, name your price.
Saw this on the Illini board... is this even possible?
Let me rephrase SMU has offered Buzz Williams a multi year contract for over 20 million and are in current negotiations.
Lucky for you we had plenty of money for buzz and didn't want any mu fans to pay out of pockets for his move...
Buzz.williams@smu.edu
Now their is a credible source, another grown man in his basement on the Illini board.
What do the Middle Tennessee State boards say?
And Stevens turned them down do they are on the third choice.
This is the downside of the internet for ADs, you can look really bad when someone says no.
However, from the things I heard there was some issues with the university as well going back to Cottingham named as the AD.
Goose, I think it has a lot to do with the university wanting to give the perception that it is something more than it actually is. For example, Jesuit ideals of scholarship are more virtuous than athletic success. Facts are that, for whatever reasons, the school doesn't embrace the benefits an elite basketball program can bring their way, even if the major benefit translates into increased dollars.
They have more money than MU does by many times over. Another84 is in denial if he continues to not believe it.
Over 20 million? Right.......
OK, 7 years at 3M for 21M
8 years at 3M for 24M
To get clobbered in the Big East for the next 7 to 8 years? He would probably be fired by then. SMU will be the new Depaul.
But, for that money, who cares.
How can you say that when MU is spending so much money on hoops. MU has the second largest basketball budget in the NCAA DIVISION I program field. How can you possibly say they don't embrace the benefits of an elite basketball program?
84 salary is just the beginning thats what you don't get...if its only 10 or 15% you should step up and pay the difference...
Buzz now has a rollover 6 year contract that pays him $2.6 million/year (if the reports are to be believed. Do the math and that is a $15.6 million contract now. Probably more like $17 or $18 now when escalators are figured in.
So if the men in basements making stuff up on the Illini board are correct and he is being offered north of $20 million, that is about a 10% to 15% raise.
It is not as impressive when put in that context.
No they won't. Same reason Crean demanded 10 years on his contract. You deal with the losses early on and absorb them knowing you will get beat early on but that there will be a turnaround eventually. If Buzz went to SMU, they would do well, especially if they were willing to "let him run his program" the way he wanted to, or whatever language Guru used. Let any kids in, don't worry about some of the other stuff. He would do well and most certainly wouldn't be fired.
If they sheetcan Buzz, what other explanation is there?
Buzz has never done a rebuild. There is certainly no guarantee he will have success at a school that hasn't had any. It is not an exaggeration that Buzz did get the MU job handed to him on a silver platter.
Who is sheetcanning Buzz? They are paying him $2.6 million per year. Please Lord, I hope my employer treats me so poorly and sheetcans me. No one is sheetcanning Buzz.
Who is sheetcanning Buzz? They are paying him $2.6 million per year. Please Lord, I hope my employer treats me so poorly and sheetcans me. No one is sheetcanning Buzz.
It's not a total rebuild, team won over 20 games 2 years ago and don lost them early in the season this year. Dallas and Texas in general has been looking for a reason to get behind program and a yu like buzz can generate that momentum....
My guess buzz salary is 2.75 a year for 8 years, but he actual pay will be more like 7-8 a year
Buzz is being pushed aside.
Fair enough. How 'bout, from his point of view, they all fell out of love?
I can tell you that June jones 2.5 mil a year salary is 25% of what he actually makes per year...SMU boosters have other ways to pay
No they won't. Same reason Crean demanded 10 years on his contract. You deal with the losses early on and absorb them knowing you will get beat early on but that there will be a turnaround eventually. If Buzz went to SMU, they would do well, especially if they were willing to "let him run his program" the way he wanted to, or whatever language Guru used. Let any kids in, don't worry about some of the other stuff. He would do well and most certainly wouldn't be fired.
Not buying it. Where are the nearest feather free wings around here geesh.
When you come to Dallas for a game, we promise to show you plenty of hospitality. Our arena should be ready just in time. Pizza at Campisi's, Bugers at Jacks, and Cheese Fries at Snuffers.
http://www.smumustangs.com/facilities/moody-renovations.html
Then Buzz is a thin skinned SOB who better wise up to the world.
So SMU boosters are paying Jones $10 million/year? More than the Cowboys pay Jason Garrett?
Are they paying Jones more than Texas Pays Mack Brown and Nick Saban.
Wow ,men in basements in Dallas can tell good stories!
Do the Alumni know they paid $10 million to win the Compass bowl? The men is basements in Alabama are LMFAO over you guys. On second thought, maybe you should keep this too yourself.
SMU trolls are having a field day with this thread. So are a few MU fans. Buzz isn't going anywhere. If he is, then we hire someone else and Buzz will become just another liar and typical coach. No different from the others.
Such small thinking, maybe that's why buzz is leaving...we cut our coaches In a lot of oil gas, real estate, hedge funds we are involved in....
If Buzz is that dumb to go to SMU, the ponies can have him. Seriously, this is the dumbest thread in the history of Scoop (and that is saying a lot).
How this thread got beyond 1 page is beyond me? SMU basketball is a joke, absolute joke.
Do the Alumni know they paid $10 million to win the Compass bowl? The men is basements in Alabama are LMFAO over you guys. On second thought, maybe you should keep this too yourself.This. This. This.
For that kind of money you can do better than Buzz. You should be calling Bill Self or Roy Williams.
Such small thinking, maybe that's why buzz is leaving...we cut our coaches In a lot of oil gas, real estate, hedge funds we are involved in....
The difference between the elite schools and the mid markets, those schools already have those guys on those deals...
You have to have some Milwaukee alumni who can hook these guys up...maybe a Racine Kringle big whig....
When I think of elite schools SMU is right at the top of the list....
Gerald j ford made 1 billion last Monday...that is his plane that was at mke....
Not sure where that puts you...But we don't need to start comparing stats...with 1 more NC than SMU
The difference between the elite schools and the mid markets, those schools already have those guys on those deals...
You have to have some Milwaukee alumni who can hook these guys up...maybe a Racine Kringle big whig....
On a relatedly motivational subject.. did you hear about Wade and Jones (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats)?
Not sure where that puts you...But we don't need to start comparing stats...
Twitterverse is exploding with Seth Greenberg as top candidate for SMU...
Badger troll.....period. End this thread.
Twitterverse is exploding with Seth Greenberg as top candidate for SMU...
Is Chicos on their board now?
Does seem to know way more about the mke area then I know about dull ass.
Twitterverse is exploding with Seth Greenberg as top candidate for SMU...
Gerald j ford made 1 billion last Monday...that is his plane that was at mke....Gerald J Ford ... he was worth about $6 billion a few years. Down to $1 billion now and he need a TARP bail-out to keep that.
The difference between the elite schools and the mid markets, those schools already have those guys on those deals...
You have to have some Milwaukee alumni who can hook these guys up...maybe a Racine Kringle big whig....
Yep. Gotta give him credit.... Kept a few posters going. The biggest clue was the time they woke up from their nap, and started posting again.
I want to unban Chicos just to help this thread along more. It's a slow sports day.
Well this was fun. Nothing to see here. Hope that worked out well for IWB.
Over on his board, IWB is saying that the SMU job is not a step down since it is in the same conference and paying the same....
seems like he has an agenda...
Over on his board, IWB is saying that the SMU job is not a step down since it is in the same conference and paying the same....
seems like he has an agenda...
Over on his board, IWB is saying that the SMU job is not a step down since it is in the same conference and paying the same....
seems like he has an agenda...
BUZZ WILLIAMS TO VIRGINIA TECH!
His agenda: CYA
Doesn't want to seem like a fool for suggesting Buzz would really go to SMU.
Proof. Making $2.6 million a year is not being pushed aside. Having his balls squeezed to recruit some kids that will keep MU off the front pages for off the court issues is not being pushed aside. If that is the case, then blame the players for getting in trouble repeatedly.
Time for the boys to skip IWB's ProAm if this turns out to be all false.Amen!
BUZZ WILLIAMS TO VIRGINIA TECH!
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas. ::)
All of these are tweets in last hour ....
CAAZone.com@CAAZoneReply
<rimshot!, splash!> RT @defiantlydutch Greenberg supposedly atop SMU's wish list. Guess SMU wants to sched poorly & reach the NIT annually.
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas. ::)
Now that is funny after 10 beers!
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas. ::)
SMU and basketball success? When did that happen?Surely you forget Jon Koncak!
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas. ::)
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?
Surely you forget Jon Koncak!
I'll help. Tom Crean is a great coach. He is not a douche
Discuss.
I'll help. Tom Crean is a great coach. He is not a douche
Discuss.
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?
Vander Blue sucks, and Duley is the anti-Christ.
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas. ::)
This man in a basement is doing his part
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?If we do lose Buzz to SMU I won't care about this thread. I'll be looking through the list of MAAC assistant coaches trying to pick who our next hire will be...
He could riVal JohnEdward's for biggest douche in the universe.
I'll help. Tom Crean is a great coach. He is not a douche
Discuss.
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?
At least its not my "adorable" thread.
At least its not my "adorable" thread.Good job giving the Mods an idea.
At least its not my "adorable" thread.
Wait, this just changed names and added five more pages.
Did a mod just commit a NCAA violation?
Cover up commencing.
Ahhh s***
Only about 150 more posts and this thread will be forever enshrined as the #2 longest thread on MUScoop... until UTEP fires their basketball coach.
Hear the NCAA is talking death penalty.
Nothing will ever beat the Beer Thread!!!Better start posting over there.
Nothing will ever beat the Beer Thread!!!
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas. ::)
This thread grows a new page every 10 minutes.
Ok, Rocky, you take 11-1am, Spiral, 1-3, Ken, 3-5 (West coast guy) .. I'll go 5am on.
Gonna need new mods to keep mopping this place up. ZFB is handy with the jizzbucket.
This thread grows a new page every 10 minutes.
Ok, Rocky, you take 11-1am, Spiral, 1-3, Ken, 3-5 (West coast guy) .. I'll go 5am on.
Does anyone else giggle when SMU fans (or any fans for that matter) abbreviate it as "DP"?
Just me, then?
BUZZ TO TEL AVIV!!
My rabbai knows a guy at the bagel shop...
BUZZ TO TEL AVIV!!
My rabbai knows a guy at the bagel shop...
This makes sense because his wife's cousin's brother in law is from TEL AVIV so he would probably be more comfortable there.
Tel Aviv is a recruiting hot bed.
Actually I think the Baseball Pissing Match is #1.
If by giggle you mean head over to wanktube, you are correct
If by giggle you mean head over to wanktube, you are correct
Wanktube? Come on, man, you're better than that, aren't you?!
I'd ask that the baseball pissing match be reopened so i may formally invite Cubs and Brewers fans to suck it. Detroit Tigers!
It will just be me andHoopaloopchicosbailbonds ;)
Baseball is an absolute brutal sport to watch. I would rather watch hardcore gay porn. No homo.
The server must be smoking.
Uhhh...
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This thread has the feeling of a telethon. Where can I order a totebag?
Regarding these SMU and Seth Greenberg rumors... Former VT (& GT) athletic director Dave Braine is leading SMU's search
Just gonna throw this out there. Bruce Pearl?
Time for the boys to skip IWB's ProAm if this turns out to be all false.
WTH... are you oblivious to all the attempts to go off topic here?
So I'm still waiting to hear everyone's favorite flavor of kringle. I like cherry.
Fixed...
You've written alot of passive aggressive anti Buzz stuff in the past while lying about supporting him out of the other side of your mouth. I hope the sh$t you spew in this and other posts in this thread will put to rest the BS that you're a Buzz guy in any way, shape or form.
I mean, Hoopaloop told me that one. With his experience in athletic administration at IU, he knows how these things wo...wait, Hoop never worked in any Athletic Departments...
I've never had a Kringle. :-[
#1stWorldProblems
Vander Blue sucks, and Durley is the anti-Christ.
If Buzz goes to SMU, will Durley follow him and become a Mustang?
We could really use his 6 straight replies all using quotes.
Incorrect, but the humor never gets old. :D
::) If you wish to talk about flight dynamics like lift coefficient, drag coefficient, axial force coefficient, and such, then we can have an entire thread on that topic of flight and the engineering surrounding that.
If you wish to continue to make up stuff or pretend to be funny, leave me out of it.
If you wish to talk about flight dynamics like lift coefficient, drag coefficient, axial force coefficient, and such, then we can have an entire thread on that topic of flight and the engineering surrounding that. If you wish to continue to make up stuff or pretend to be funny, leave me out of it.
Please, Warthog, you don't want to go there. I have 4,000+ hours in tactical web board moderation (banning and editing & deleting.) I am guessing you might, if anything, have a couple hundred in ignores. I would dare say I have more time on the development site than you have total time. And let's not even get into coding, night hours, multi-core time, and ethernet hops. Be a better man and leave message boards to the ones who have been there. Anything else will only serve to diminish you in the eyes of this board.
"and that goes for the rest of y'all. Quit pretending to be something you're not. Just be who you are. That's what's really cool"
"and that goes for the rest of y'all. Quit pretending to be something you're not. Just be who you are. That's what's really cool"
Please, Chicos, you don't want to go there. I have 4,000+ hours in tactical combat aircraft (F-16 CJ's and Vipers & Warthogs.) I am guessing you might, if anything, have a couple hundred in 172's. I would dare say I have more time on the relief tube over Tora Bora than you have total time. And let's not even get into EP's, night hours, multi-engine time, and combat hops. Be a better man and leave aviation to the ones who have been there. Anything else will only serve to diminish you in the eyes of this board.
::) Some of us are in the business of designing your planes Warthog. Though my work has been in commercial aviation and not for any gpvt work. I don't even have a pilot's license and very few of my colleagues do either. We design them, we don't pilot them. We let you CSAs (Control Stick Actuators) fly them and let the plumbers crash them. Figuratively speaking of course. When they go Tango Uniform then I'm called in to figure out why.
;) (with a nod to The Bail Bondsman)
Please, Spiral, you don't want to go there. I have 2,800+ hours combat time in Praying Mantis, Just Cause, Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Operation Enduring Freedom. I have been jumped by MiGs & Sukois over the Gulf of Sidra, dodged Triple A and Sams over Baghdad, suffered a massive hydraulic failure at night over RC - Southwest, and seen comrades go down over Tora Bora. I know this is hard to believe but I would dare say that flying a tactical combat aircraft as a barrel chested freedom fighter likely has a tad higher degree of sphincter pucker factor than managing a web site. But then I have never managed a web site so I wouldn't know. I don't want to diminish myself in the eyes of this board.
Well the quote might not be verbatim. It is from the movie Starsky and Hutch.
If Buzz goes to SMU, will Durley follow him and become a Mustang?
::) Some of us are in the business of designing your planes Warthog. Though my work has been in commercial aviation and not for any gpvt work. I don't even have a pilot's license and very few of my colleagues do either. We design them, we don't pilot them. We let you CSAs (Control Stick Actuators) fly them and let the plumbers crash them. Figuratively speaking of course. When they go Tango Uniform then I'm called in to figure out why.
My wife bought me this "discover flying" gift certificate on Groupon for Fathers Day last year. Evidently it's an introductory lesson and some nonsense where they let you fly the plane (probably for 15 seconds). I can't believe any CFI with half a brain would participate in something like this. I'd rather ride with John Travolta somewhere on autopilot than get into a plane with a pilot who lets everyone hold his stick. Probably just going to let the thing expire. Dumbest Groupon ever.
My wife bought me this "discover flying" gift certificate on Groupon for Fathers Day last year. Evidently it's an introductory lesson and some nonsense where they let you fly the plane (probably for 15 seconds). I can't believe any CFI with half a brain would participate in something like this. I'd rather ride with John Travolta somewhere on autopilot than get into a plane with a pilot who lets everyone hold his stick. Probably just going to let the thing expire. Dumbest Groupon ever.
cheese fries at snuffers
you gotta be craptin me
red neck haute cuisine
No sh1t.
The longest thread ever and I was part of it, neat. GO WARRIORS.
So when I went to work today this thread was 3 pages long, I worked a 10 hour shift and then when out for a few beers and I come home and its 32 pages long. Whats more amazing is that I read pages 3-12 while I was on lunch at 6. My 2 cents and if I cover stuff already covered sorry I'm not going to read the other 20 pages, Buzz will speak highly of every school he is asked about just like he did last year with arkansas(walmart money) and others and I honestly think he is setting Benford up for this job. If Chico's alias has truly been outed someone let me know cause I missed and would be sad
Benford isn't on list...greenberg is #4....
doesnt matter because buzz has already accepted....
we have more than wal mart....
never been, closest place I have ever been is the Dells...
never been, closest place I have ever been is the Dells...
I talked to my kids this morning, told them Buzz might leave. According to my two year old twins, Woody or Mr. Potatohead, or the Slinky Dog would be capable replacements, and could take Marquette to infinity and beyond. They're pretty reliable sources too.
I talked to my kids this morning, told them Buzz might leave. According to my two year old twins, Woody or Mr. Potatohead, or the Slinky Dog would be capable replacements, and could take Marquette to infinity and beyond. They're pretty reliable sources too.
I talked to my kids this morning, told them Buzz might leave. According to my two year old twins, Woody or Mr. Potatohead, or the Slinky Dog would be capable replacements, and could take Marquette to infinity and beyond. They're pretty reliable sources too.
How did he not make this list???
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID4043/images/special-agent-oso.jpg)
the longest journey
begins with uncertain steps
fear gives no guidance
Good point. It's no secret that Oso doesn't have a great relationship with Mr. Dos.
Wolfie has more leadership skills than Oso, according to my kids.
By the way, Mr. Dos=Dick Strong.
I'm only posting to contribute to the longest thread in scoop history. It would be irresponsible not to post.
I'm only posting to contribute to the longest thread in scoop history. It would be irresponsible not to post.
Bullcrap. Oso could make MU a Final 4 team in 3 special steps.
Only about 150 more posts and this thread will be forever enshrined as the #2 longest thread on MUScoop... until UTEP fires their basketball coach.
I gotta believe there have been longer threads than this, hell Marquette 84 had longer posts than this entire thread.Closing fast on #2 longest thread. If it's going to be #1, everyone has to post twice more for every post they've made in this thread.
BTW, woody is too old fashioned to relate to players, he would lose them in the first year.
Need someone hip but still strong like Sully from Monsters Inc., he could bring in Mike as an assistant to keep his eye on the players behaviour
Closing fast on #2 longest thread. If it's going to be #1, everyone has to post twice more for every post they've made in this thread.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats)
I will not pander to this mob mentality to make this thread the longest ever and simply post about nothing.....the message board is not a place for me to post things about randomly coincidentally connected bits of unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo and then draw significant conclusions from those as stated random pieces of "information" let alone to post about nothing and have people carry on about it. That is simply irresponsible use of a free internet forum and I won't have it.
I haven't seen your table, but I'm thinking walnut.
I think Woody would be better than Mr. Potato Head, but together they would be awesome!
I don't post often here, but I should comment on this.
:o
Must feed troll to keep thread alive....
First, SMU18 is a super high roller as evidenced by his profile here:
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-player-stats/Smu18
Did I mention he was highly connected?
http://quizilla.teennick.com/user/smu18/friends/
Also, he is into Anime and struggles to understand the opposite sex.
http://quizilla.teennick.com/user/smu18/profile/
Also likes lego knockoff games
http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=24025887
I'm only posting to contribute to the longest thread in scoop history. It would be irresponsible not to post.
Well I guess I better make my first post in the thread.Your sensible comments that don't fly off the deep end are not welcome here.
I read up to IWB's tweet and Rocky saying it was going to cause a meltdown. Based on the 24 pages after Rocky's post, I'd say he was right.
Buzz will be our head coach next season.
If it's a done deal like SMU 17&18 say, why is SMU still looking?
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/march/26/report-smu-interested-seth-greenberg (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/march/26/report-smu-interested-seth-greenberg)
Smokescreen....Greenberg isnt even #2...but he is #3
Smokescreen....Greenberg isnt even #2...but he is #3Phil Jackson is #2.
In fairness, you're a #2.
No clue again
SMU18 - when it does not happen, please make sure to come back here and explain why - would love to hear your marvelous insights...They cooled on Buzz.
Only way you keep him, is a full apology from your AD, a guarantee of a hands off approach and mach the 2.75 a year he will get in salary from SMU...
Smokescreen....Greenberg isnt even #2...but he is #3
mach the 2.75 a year he will get in salary from SMU...
Full apology for what exactly?
An extra $150K, that's the big add in salary the almighty folks at SMU are ponying (get it) up? That's not even a 6% bump.
If Buzz actually goes to SMU, what is the closest parallel to that type of move? Bill Freider leaving Michigan to take the Arizona State job (ASU was pretty bad then if I remember correctly)? I know SMU will be joining the Big East soon, but when is the last time a coach voluntarily left a school in a power conference (BE, B12, B1G, ACC, PAC12, SEC) to take a position at a mid major school (WAC, Horizon, MAC, CUSA, etc..)?
Talk to buzz... he verbally agreed to terms already...
SMU18 - when it does not happen, please make sure to come back here and explain why - would love to hear your marvelous insights...He won't come back because he'll be too busy laughing his ass off at this. You do know that, right? He's just riling these people up for his own amusement.
Oliver Purnell left Clemson for DePaul - kinda close.I thought Purnell was fired by Clemson then took the DePaul job. No?
He won't come back because he'll be too busy laughing his ass off at this. You do know that, right? He's just riling these people up for his own amusement.
He won't come back because he'll be too busy laughing his ass off at this. You do know that, right? He's just riling these people up for his own amusement.
I thought Purnell was fired by Clemson then took the DePaul job. No?He wasn't fired, but he could have been. I don't think that many at Clemson were upset that he left.
I thought Purnell was fired by Clemson then took the DePaul job. No?
Nope, he left.Ah, I stand corrected. So that is probably the closest version of going from MU to SMU.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=5059657
Ah, I stand corrected. So that is probably the closest version of going from MU to SMU.
Ah, I stand corrected. So that is probably the closest version of going from MU to SMU.
I'm laughing my ass off too. He's trolling so damn hard, and some of the Scoopers are lapping that sh*t up.It's like a trainwreck. I want to look away but I keep coming back to see gullible MU fans falling for it.
Obvious troll is obvious.
DePaul's basketball program is still head and shoulders above SMU's
Seems like it. How do DePaul and SMU compare basketball-wise. I assume DePaul has a much better history there.I think I am the last registered user to get on this clusterf**k of a thread.
That is why SMU spent millions to build a practice facilty that is top notch, will spend $50m to udpate our great arena, and will spend to get a good coach. Investing for the future is how things change.
I was talking to someone in the know, and have faith that this is 100% true, take it FWIW.
Bill Gates is relinquishing all his equity in Microsoft and going to work at the Radio Shack in 'Tosa. This is 100% confirmed, terms already agreed upon (15 minute smoke break every hour, hour lunch, 10% off employee discount). Radio Shack spent hundreds to upgrade the place (new carpet, touchtone telephone), it's really top notch and looking forward to competing with Best Buy starting in 2013. Expect a presser late this afternoon. Bedford will be joining him as asst mgr.
I think I am the last registered user to get on this clusterf**k of a thread.
The real question is not how to DePaul and SMU compare. The real question is how do Clemson and Marquette compare? Leaving Clemson is not the same thing as leaving Marquette. It doesn't really matter what the destination is.
I think I am the last registered user to get on this clusterf**k of a thread.
They cooled on Buzz.
No I know. Just wasn't sure if I'm missing something in the 60s or 50s since SMU athletics has been completely irrelevant for the last 25 years.Thanks. Feels good to be a part of history.
Also, congrats on getting in on the clusterf***.
That is why SMU spent millions to build a practice facilty that is top notch, will spend $50m to udpate our great arena, and will spend to get a good coach. Investing for the future is how things change.That's wonderful for your program. I truly hope it works out well.
Man o man, I go away for a beautiful weekend and I come back to find this naked china man of a thread leaping at me.Try to find about 12 am last night. Some weird stuff goes down.
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Buzz leaving for SMU would be a kidney punch.
Anyone poster not part of this thread should have their handle highlighted in red (scarlet letter) to signify that they are bad bad people.
We can probably shut the thread down now guys. This one is over.That's good enough for me. If thebigjake says it you know it's true. SMU18 is going to be pissed at thebigjake for intervening and turning this deal south.
Buzz isn't leaving. I don't know if there will be any formal announcement or anything, but maybe it will be in the form of Seth Greenburg or Tony Benford named SMU coach.
Time to relax. If you insiders want to check sources again go ahead, but I'm pretty sure this one is done.
I don't know any specifics, or what really caused all this. I just know what I heard.
In before the scarlet letter.
All of this is going to be over Tony Benford in the end. Watch.Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then? I like his recruiting chops. And do any of our recruits follow him?
Yeah thats a great idea...you lose ND if you do that and then you lose $$$
Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then? I like his recruiting chops. And do any of our recruits follow him?
Wonder what she was doing to have such a big smile on her face.
Jerrence Howard.
We can probably shut the thread down now guys. This one is over.
Buzz isn't leaving. I don't know if there will be any formal announcement or anything, but maybe it will be in the form of Seth Greenburg or Tony Benford named SMU coach.
Time to relax. If you insiders want to check sources again go ahead, but I'm pretty sure this one is done.
I don't know any specifics, or what really caused all this. I just know what I heard.
Hearing good things about Buzz staying, and also to keep the emails coming.
I will not pander to this mob mentality to make this thread the longest ever and simply post about nothing.....the message board is not a place for me to post things about randomly coincidentally connected bits of unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo and then draw significant conclusions from those as stated random pieces of "information" let alone to post about nothing and have people carry on about it. That is simply irresponsible use of a free internet forum and I won't have it.
Anyone poster not part of this thread should have their handle highlighted in red (scarlet letter) to signify that they are bad bad people.
Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then? I like his recruiting chops. And do any of our recruits follow him?
Couldn't live with myself if I missed out on a chance to be a part of this historical cluster f*** of a thread, even if I have nothing to add (though that doesn't seem to be a requirement for posting). Has Freeway added his two cents worth yet?
If the Spanish ODonnells were wearing Marquette Gold outfits, with their favorite beers in front of them, while Buzz was being introduced at an SMU press conference, and Tom Crean was there, with Chicos wearing a Directv outift, I think the internet would explode. Of course we would know about this because IWB tweeted about it.
I spoke with Freeway this morning. He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet.
I spoke with Freeway this morning. He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet.
I spoke with Freeway this morning. He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet.
Couldn't live with myself if I missed out on a chance to be a part of this historical cluster f*** of a thread, even if I have nothing to add (though that doesn't seem to be a requirement for posting). Has Freeway added his two cents worth yet?
I will not be intimidated into posting in this ridiculous thread.
Edited to add...Doh!
Dish, you need to work-in Aaron Durley and DJ Newbill.
Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then?
I spoke with Freeway this morning. He asked me if Marquette has found a newDeanLESBIAN for the college of Arts and Sciences yet.
that's the rumor
that's the rumorThat's really reaching for the stars!
I do not see Buzz leaving and have total faith that he and Larry Williams can work out whatever diffrences they may have. I think that Buzz will be loyal to the current players on the roster as well has the recruits we have coming in and stick around for a while (hoepfully the rest of his career).
Although it would suck to see Benford go its a compliment to the program that Buzz has built and he has said that he tries to get all of his assistants HC jobs. Buzz probably has a list of hundreds of names that he will go to to replace Benford, thats the least of my concerns.
Well come on man really? You can't hold back an assistant coach now. That's ridiculous. That's how those guys get to the next level. You can't tell me you are just as concerned losing Benford as you are Buzz. Great recruiter? Of course but you can't build a 40 foot wall around our program. Come back down to earth a bit.
Buzz will generate interest at KSU now as well with Frank Martin supposedly going to South Carolina.
Buzz will generate interest at KSU now as well with Frank Martin supposedly going to South Carolina.
Didn't Martin just admit to paying recruits? Is he still hirable after that?
I spoke with Freeway this morning. He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet.Buzz to Dean of the College of Arts and Sciences
Didn't Martin just admit to paying recruits? Is he still hirable after that?
Well I did make the home version Real Chili yesterday including spagetti on the bowl bottom. It was very good. No oyster crackers. Didn't want to take a chance on thrown crackers everywhere.
Well I did make the home version Real Chili yesterday including spagetti on the bowl bottom. It was very good. No oyster crackers. Didn't want to take a chance on thrown crackers everywhere.
Which rendition?
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/bars/real_chili
Real Chili to SMU!
How did he not make this list???
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Seth already said hes not leaving VT for SMU. My guess is that Buzz is still listening to SMU. We need to go after Shaka if Buzz leaves.
If you are talking about loyalty to a player a coach would never leave...old ones get replaced by new ones every year. I think Buzz truly loves the kids but think he probably would love a new group just as easily.
I figured I could not possibly be relevant on this board unless I got to post in this mammoth 38 page thread.
Is this the longest thread since scoop has been around??
I figured I could not possibly be relevant on this board unless I got to post in this mammoth 38 page thread.
Is this the longest thread since scoop has been around??
SMU needs a coach who will rally the students and get them to go to games. Someone who likes a lot of sun and a good tan.
Crean to SMU?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats
Seth already said hes not leaving VT for SMU. My guess is that Buzz is still listening to SMU. We need to go after Shaka if Buzz leaves.Shaka is not leaving VCU. We should not set ourselves up for the media saying "no one wants the Marquette job."
YES! Finally got into that Top Ten poster list!
I figured I could not possibly be relevant on this board unless I got to post in this mammoth 38 page thread.
Is this the longest thread since scoop has been around??
Dang it, I promised myself I'd resist getting drawn into this ridiculous thread...I choose to believe otherwise. Maybe Buzz is to Marquette as Izzo is to Michigan State. Why not? If he leaves it will suck, but I'm believing Buzz until there's a reason not to.
I don't think Buzz is leaving for SMU. But, for those people who think Buzz will never leave because he said he'd be here as long as MU would have him, or because he loves his players...understand that it's a virtual certainty that one day you will be disappointed. Coaches leave. Almost all of them. Buzz is a great coach, I'm proud he's the coach at Marquette, and I'm going to enjoy having him around as long as he stays. But he is going to leave (or get fired) at some time...even though he said he'd stay. And even though I'll probably be disappointed when it happens, I understand that as a husband and a father, he is obligated to do what he thinks is best for him and his family.
I had the real thing Sat night at 1am with my daughter following Father-Daughter Dinner Dance. We did experience the cracker toss first hand and my daughter thought it was quite amusing.
Now that's a real brain-buster. Maybe he loves his wife, but he could probably love a new one just as easily, too?
My feeling is that this is all being overblown by the internetTrust your instincts.
I choose to believe otherwise. Maybe Buzz is to Marquette as Izzo is to Michigan State. Why not? If he leaves it will suck, but I'm believing Buzz until there's a reason not to.
:P
It's not that I don't believe Buzz. I'm just going on experience. I've heard many, many coaches say the same things. I've seen very, very few stay. Usually (although not always) they're telling the truth at the time.I understand. I'm with you even, but I don't care. I trust Buzz's word when he said he'll stay as long as MU will have him, even if that means I get burned someday. Maybe that's foolish, but it seems a lot better to me than the crazy going on here the last few days - panicking every time another program asks to speak to him about an open position.
Like I said, I'll enjoy Buzz as long as he stays. If that's for the next 25 years, I'll be very happy (as that would mean that he's doing a good job).
Goose,
Can you add some detail to your "Buzz is unhappy" statement/belief?
What exactly is he unhappy about? Is L. Williams really a big problem? Can he and Buzz coexist? Is this all being overblown? Is Buzz (or larry) just difficult to work with?
My feeling is that this is all being overblown by the internet, but you have been constantly saying that you know Buzz isn't happy. Do you have some details?
We have a 38 page thread with you and MUguru using a lot of innuendo, but never really laying out any specific details about why Buzz isn't happy(from what I can tell).
Holy Batcrap!!!
Do you all realize the thread on the SMU board that started this crapfest is only 11 pages long itself?
You just answered that question in your own post, sir.
You're right, and I'm not as dumb as my post.
I just want Goose, MUguru and whoever else to lay out the details of what they know, and what they are trying to say.
Here's what I KNOW:
- MU spends a TON of hoops
- Dick Strong is a big supporter and pays a good chunk
- MU utilizes hoops as a marketing tool
- The current president came from Georgetown
- The current AD was approved by the President and the BOT, and has a background at revenue producing athletic programs (ND)
- MU just ADDED another sport
- Buzz is brutally honest with his players, even in the media.
- L. Williams made some honest and interesting comments about Buzz.
- The team and the school have taken a PR hit due to some questionable decision making by the players.
- IWB made a blog post using the term "relationships"
These are things that I know.
2 Posters (maybe a couple of others) here have insinuated 3 things:
#1 Buzz is unhappy with the current admin.
#2 The current admin. wouldn't mind seeing Buzz go
#3 The current admin. would like to spend less on athletics
Its hard for me to really believe any of these 3 things given what I've written above.
You're right, and I'm not as dumb as my post.
I just want Goose, MUguru and whoever else to lay out the details of what they know, and what they are trying to say.
Here's what I KNOW:
- MU spends a TON of hoops
- Dick Strong is a big supporter and pays a good chunk
- MU utilizes hoops as a marketing tool
- The current president came from Georgetown
- The current AD was approved by the President and the BOT, and has a background at revenue producing athletic programs (ND)
- MU just ADDED another sport
- Buzz is brutally honest with his players, even in the media.
- L. Williams made some honest and interesting comments about Buzz.
- The team and the school have taken a PR hit due to some questionable decision making by the players.
- IWB made a blog post using the term "relationships"
These are things that I know.
2 Posters (maybe a couple of others) here have insinuated 3 things:
#1 Buzz is unhappy with the current admin.
#2 The current admin. wouldn't mind seeing Buzz go
#3 The current admin. would like to spend less on athletics
Its hard for me to really believe any of these 3 things given what I've written above.
2002 and LabWarrior
Believe it or not but I do have credible sources that have inside information on the situation. My sources have very clearly stated that Buzz is very unhappy and very possibly the school has similar feelings. If you want me to out sources, forget it. I am not going to defend myself to you in anyway. You can take my posts as being WAY off base or possibly posts from someone that knows a lot more than you do.
What I really do not understand is why all the anger? BigDaddy posted for two weeks but stated what you wanted to hear and he was gospel. If my stating Buzz was unhappy well before any of you experts had heard that was not evidence I might be right...so be it.
I have stated over and over again I WANT TO BE WRONG...WANT TO EAT CROW. If I am stupid enough to put myself into spot of looking stupid it either makes me someone with inside information or a complete fool. I already know your answer and time will tell if you are correct or not.
2002 and LabWarrior
Believe it or not but I do have credible sources that have inside information on the situation. My sources have very clearly stated that Buzz is very unhappy and very possibly the school has similar feelings. If you want me to out sources, forget it. I am not going to defend myself to you in anyway. You can take my posts as being WAY off base or possibly posts from someone that knows a lot more than you do.
What I really do not understand is why all the anger? BigDaddy posted for two weeks but stated what you wanted to hear and he was gospel. If my stating Buzz was unhappy well before any of you experts had heard that was not evidence I might be right...so be it.
I have stated over and over again I WANT TO BE WRONG...WANT TO EAT CROW. If I am stupid enough to put myself into spot of looking stupid it either makes me someone with inside information or a complete fool. I already know your answer and time will tell if you are correct or not.
I blame IWB for 75% of this thread.
The 38 pages can be summed up in this one post.Please. He didn't say anything about piloting airplanes, Starsky & Hutch Quotes, or kringles... so I'd say he missed a few key points.
Well I did make the home version Real Chili yesterday including spagetti on the bowl bottom. It was very good. No oyster crackers. Didn't want to take a chance on thrown crackers everywhere.Mmmmmmm, chili!
2002 and LabWarrior
Believe it or not but I do have credible sources that have inside information on the situation. My sources have very clearly stated that Buzz is very unhappy and very possibly the school has similar feelings. If you want me to out sources, forget it. I am not going to defend myself to you in anyway. You can take my posts as being WAY off base or possibly posts from someone that knows a lot more than you do.
What I really do not understand is why all the anger? BigDaddy posted for two weeks but stated what you wanted to hear and he was gospel. If my stating Buzz was unhappy well before any of you experts had heard that was not evidence I might be right...so be it.
I have stated over and over again I WANT TO BE WRONG...WANT TO EAT CROW. If I am stupid enough to put myself into spot of looking stupid it either makes me someone with inside information or a complete fool. I already know your answer and time will tell if you are correct or not.
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.the smoking gun...
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.
frack
yes
Ok, now you can just go right ahead and frack off. Seriously. You're a fracking idiot.
Mods, feel free to ban/lock/whatever.
I'm just fracking done with this crap. What a fracking waste of time.
You are the biggest douche on this board. I don't care what you said, you didn't tell us ANYTHING, and you're not telling us crap now.
Jesus Christ, where's the Tylenol?
I enjoyed your other work, but this "new age" haiku doesn't really do it for me.
Hey now, let's give Goose some props, at least he's using CAPS, and appears to be moving past acting like a sad faced ninny for the first time in 40 pages of this thread. No more fainting couch--that's gotta be considered progress.
Ok, now you can just go right ahead and frack off. Seriously. You're a fracking idiot.
....
Jesus Christ, where's the Tylenol?
2002---I'll give you this. BUZZ IS NOT GOING TO SMU OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!!!! Bank it!!!!
tried to give info without exposing contacts.
GOO--Fed up with the BS but my post on Buzz staying is 100% accurate. Heard they are mending the relationship and barring a blowup by either party Buzz is staying as our coach.
To any posters that do not think I am ninny feel free to PM with questions. Apologize to having pissed off anyone, aside from Lab and 2002, but really felt this was big issue and tried to give info without exposing contacts.
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.
Damn, I was starting to look forward to woody or sully as our coach with Mr. potato head as assistant
Of all people 2002 I am a little dissapointed. Usually you are the one trying to interject the "can't we all agree to disagree/ get along" vibe in topics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv5LUT1AFw
GOO--Fed up with the BS but my post on Buzz staying is 100% accurate. Heard they are mending the relationship and barring a blowup by either party Buzz is staying as our coach.
2002....Shut the frack up already...your so annoying, how many times are you going to ask why Buzz is unhappy? Are you that ignorant that you cant realize the shift in the way we handle athletics has affected Buzz? That we have a new AD who wants to be boss? That we have a new president who cares a lot about the image of the university? That the last AD resigned because of the poor image we created off the court? These are all HUGE changes...Would you be happy if the guy that hired you was gone? Buzz doesn't have the control anymore like he used to because of these changes, THAT is why he is unhappy. He gets the "talk" from LW after an interview when all he was doing was being himself. Wouldn't you be mad if your boss wouldn't let you be yourself? Think rationally people its not that difficult.
No, it doesn't.
I'd rather not discuss enginerding. I'd be lost. It wouldn't be a lot of "fun." By the way, Chicos used the ::) all the time. Did he teach you that one? ::) This also used to be the time where Chicos would show up and post hundreds of times a night. Another coincidence? ::)
Don't ruin my fun, Chicos!
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Chicos, USAF sent to University of Michigan to get a MS in Aero Engineering. I understand the theory; it's bullcrap compared to strapping a jet on your ass and going into harm's way. Not much pucker factor in sitting for a diffy q exam when compared to putting your nuts on the line...Course, when we would see the line of tracers come arcing up at us our first thought was always, yea baby! Targets! Suffice it to say we enabled more than a few hajis to meet Allah...
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2002....Shut the frack up already...your so annoying, how many times are you going to ask why Buzz is unhappy? Are you that ignorant that you cant realize the shift in the way we handle athletics has affected Buzz? That we have a new AD who wants to be boss? That we have a new president who cares a lot about the image of the university? That the last AD resigned because of the poor image we created off the court? These are all HUGE changes...Would you be happy if the guy that hired you was gone? Buzz doesn't have the control anymore like he used to because of these changes, THAT is why he is unhappy. He gets the "talk" from LW after an interview when all he was doing was being himself. Wouldn't you be mad if your boss wouldn't let you be yourself? Think rationally people its not that difficult.
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Think rationally people its not that difficult.
2002....Shut the frack up already...your so annoying, how many times are you going to ask why Buzz is unhappy?
Are you that ignorant that you cant realize the shift in the way we handle athletics has affected Buz?
That we have a new AD who wants to be boss?
That we have a new president who cares a lot about the image of the university?
That the last AD resigned because of the poor image we created off the court?
These are all HUGE changes...Would you be happy if the guy that hired you was gone?
Buzz doesn't have the control anymore like he used to because of these changes, THAT is why he is unhappy.
He gets the "talk" from LW after an interview when all he was doing was being himself. Wouldn't you be mad if your boss wouldn't let you be yourself?
Goose,
Can you add some detail to your "Buzz is unhappy" statement/belief?
What exactly is he unhappy about? Is L. Williams really a big problem? Can he and Buzz coexist? Is this all being overblown? Is Buzz (or larry) just difficult to work with?
My feeling is that this is all being overblown by the internet, but you have been constantly saying that you know Buzz isn't happy. Do you have some details?
We have a 38 page thread with you and MUguru using a lot of innuendo, but never really laying out any specific details about why Buzz isn't happy(from what I can tell).
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A lot of people here have been played by hysteria caused by these two guys. Are we about to have online bake sales and petitions asking Buzz not to leave? Has anyone hired a plane to pull a banner around that says we love Buzz? A singing telegram? This stuff is crazy. Are these two guys even MU fans?
We're being told an AD that went to Notre Dame would like to downgrade our program. A president that purposely took time out of his original speech to the MU community to highlight athletics and men's basketball in particular is also in on the destruction.
Next thing you know we will have people here fly off the handle because the AD spoke about the coach which he supervises. Too late. We have the most insecure fanbase on the planet. Buzz isn't going anywhere. If he does, the sun will rise in the east and we will hire a good coach. Three of the last four have taken us to the Sweet 16 and the one who didn't played for it but his team show about 25% against Arkansas. I'd hate to see him go for all the reasons stated, but you would think that our basketball program lives and breathes as the result of one man. BS. Have some damn pride about your program and the legacy created under many coaches over the years.
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
Let's recap the highlights of this thread:
*Someone posts a rumor about Buzz leaving
*Board melts down after 30 pages in a few hours on Sunday
*Digger, Blue, and Durley get weaved into the thread...what a surprise
*Badger troll poses as SMU know it all and suckers Hoops, et al into believing he is an all-knowing SMU insider
*CT make his first successful batch of Real Chili at home, minus oyster crackers
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
*Tony "Bedford" no where to be found
*24 hours later, this is still an unsubstantiated rumor
Did I miss any highlights?
Yes, you missed that all appears well now, so we can relax.
Hoop...If LabWarrior has your back you are way off target.
Be careful who you associate with on here.
Can I organize the online bake sale?
The haikus kept me up too late because I was laughing too hard.
Been gone for a few hours and have to catch up.
just make sure you have some of those rice crispie treats, i love those, and pecan pie for buzz.
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sorry for the expletive.
Upon further review, 3 of those posts didn't count (for various) reasons. You are going to have to un-retire and try to help your team win 3rd place in the division
DAMN! It happened Rob! 3 posts went away in the thread and I am now reply 997!
My whole reputation is down the drain!
Seth Greenberg said no to SMU. Back to Buzz?
http://blogs.roanoke.com/courtside/
Will this charge everyone up to get to 75 pages?
DAMN! It happened Rob! 3 posts went away in the thread and I am now reply 997!
My whole reputation is down the drain!
Virginia Tech's Seth Greenberg says he has no interest in opening at smu. "I am putting all of my focus into building our program
When is Buzz going to make a similar statement so that we can all get some rest tonight?
In an ultimate twist, Hoop is now the 1000 poster.
(Insert sad horn).
HAHAHA.
This is funny now.
Where is Englund on this? Why hasn't we weighed in?
...with 666 posts. Muhahahahaha.
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2002---I'll give you this. BUZZ IS NOT GOING TO SMU OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!!!! Bank it!!!!
A lot of people here have been played by hysteria caused by these two guys. Are we about to have online bake sales and petitions asking Buzz not to leave? Has anyone hired a plane to pull a banner around that says we love Buzz? A singing telegram? This stuff is crazy. Are these two guys even MU fans?
We're being told an AD that went to Notre Dame would like to downgrade our program. A president that purposely took time out of his original speech to the MU community to highlight athletics and men's basketball in particular is also in on the destruction.
Next thing you know we will have people here fly off the handle because the AD spoke about the coach which he supervises. Too late. We have the most insecure fanbase on the planet. Buzz isn't going anywhere. If he does, the sun will rise in the east and we will hire a good coach. Three of the last four have taken us to the Sweet 16 and the one who didn't played for it but his team show about 25% against Arkansas. I'd hate to see him go for all the reasons stated, but you would think that our basketball program lives and breathes as the result of one man. BS. Have some damn pride about your program and the legacy created under many coaches over the years.
Let's recap the highlights of this thread:
*Someone posts a rumor about Buzz leaving
*Board melts down after 30 pages in a few hours on Sunday
*Digger, Blue, and Durley get weaved into the thread...what a surprise
*Badger troll poses as SMU know it all and suckers Hoops, et al into believing he is an all-knowing SMU insider
*CT make his first successful batch of Real Chili at home, minus oyster crackers
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
*Tony "Bedford" no where to be found
*24 hours later, this is still an unsubstantiated rumor
Did I miss any highlights?
No, no you didn't. You didn't give any info. other than "buzz is unhappy".
I was willing/wanting to hear some of your info., but you never provided it.
You acted like some sort of insider, but never said anything of value, or anything that even made sense.
AZ my credibility came when I mentioned both Buzz and MU being unhappy with each other weeks ago. I would think with the subsequent events my stating the rift well in advance would be evidence enough. Really do not care, my only goal was to let fans that care know we had a problem.
I think by now anyone on this thread knows why the two parties have a wedge between them. Buzz protects his fella's and admin thinks Buzz is loose cannon. Was asked a dozen times about loose cannon, mocked thirty times about it and could not believe what was so hard to figure out about that comment. MU is worried about overall reputation and Buzz is worried about his boys and winning.
Goose - I concur. I'm OK with you "wanting to protect a source", but you never provided any rationale for Buzz being unhappy. You never build any kind of a case. Tough to assign you any credibility given these circumstances.
Let's recap the highlights of this thread:
*Someone posts a rumor about Buzz leaving
*Board melts down after 30 pages in a few hours on Sunday
*Digger, Blue, and Durley get weaved into the thread...what a surprise
*Badger troll poses as SMU know it all and suckers Hoops, et al into believing he is an all-knowing SMU insider
*CT make his first successful batch of Real Chili at home, minus oyster crackers
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
*Tony "Bedford" no where to be found
*24 hours later, this is still an unsubstantiated rumor
Did I miss any highlights?
One thing that I completely forgot about until a couple minutes ago, and was common knowledge at the time, but I don't think has been part of anyone's thought process the past few days...
Buzz stepped down from the UNO job because he felt that he wasn't getting enough of a commitment from administration. When he did so, he went from a head coaching job to what many would see as a step down as an assistant on TC's bench.
If he doesn't feel he has adequate support from Marquette's administration, he's already shown he has no fear about taking a lesser role in exchange for a situation he feels more comfortable in.
One thing that I completely forgot about until a couple minutes ago, and was common knowledge at the time, but I don't think has been part of anyone's thought process the past few days...
Buzz stepped down from the UNO job because he felt that he wasn't getting enough of a commitment from administration. When he did so, he went from a head coaching job to what many would see as a step down as an assistant on TC's bench.
If he doesn't feel he has adequate support from Marquette's administration, he's already shown he has no fear about taking a lesser role in exchange for a situation he feels more comfortable in.
You had to do this brew?
Commence... SKY IS FALLING PART 63
The other board mentions a JS article where the current AD was critical of Buzz. If accurate, can anyone provide a link, or a quote from that article? Thanks in advance.
"I expect Buzz back. Want him back," Williams said. "I think we started something good with him. . . . I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach."
Last year, Buzz Williams signed a new contract with a rollover that reportedly pays him $2 million a year. Larry Williams did not disclose details of the deal but said Marquette has the coach under contract for multiple years.
Larry Williams, a former professional football player, likes his head coach's zeal for the game. But he was a little concerned when Williams did a little dance on the floor at West Virginia after his Golden Eagles defeated the Mountaineers recently. Buzz Williams quickly apologized.
"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long-term success, you have to channel that and control that," the athletic director said. "He was happy as a clam to dance across the court, but he didn't think about offending somebody else.
"But that is his passion and exuberance. He is either going to explode because his tie is on too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable."
From the SMU board, posted about half an hour ago...
Buzz isn't dead, but was never as lively as many wanted to believe. You have to be careful w/booster leaks during coaching searches, b/c they're seldom neutral and don't rep the person potentially being hired, just the wishes of the admin/school.
The reality is that he's really cagey, just doesn't like his new AD/Pres. He's using this offer in the court of public opinion to get them to bend down and kiss the ring. Its not so much about money, as much as getting them to let him do business as usual, which has provided many JCs and a small crime wave lol. It's not over, but the longer it drags etc...
Obviously, Seth is in play, as are a few other guys on that level. I've been told there is probably someone, maybe two someones, between buzz & Seth. There is also a small school coach in the running, who is a darkhorse. He's a great coach that would do well here, but its certainly a step up. I know this fella somewhat, so trying to confirm
You had to do this brew?
Oooooh - any chance we can get two more posts deleted? I'm sitting at 1002 now...
Virginia Tech's Seth Greenberg says he has no interest in opening at smu. "I am putting all of my focus into building our program
When is Buzz going to make a similar statement so that we can all get some rest tonight?
Hey guys...been working all day. Did I miss anything?No
Bump
Only a matter of seconds before the "Buzz to K-State" crap ball gets rolling.
KSU fans are begging for Buzz on twitter.
A lear jet with some sort of purpelish colors and a cat like figure just landed at Mitchell Field.
This is per KSU17 and KSU18.
KSU fans are begging for Buzz on twitter.
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...
a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."
If true:
a) Buzz was in Milwaukee today
b) he talked to Pillarz
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...
a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."
If true:
a) Buzz was in Milwaukee today
b) he talked to Pillarz
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...
a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...
a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."
If true:
a) Buzz was in Milwaukee today
b) he talked to Pillarz
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)
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This was passed along to me by someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true...
SMU is a university with a lot of money looking for a basketball coach.
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow. Two independent people know about it and have said not to worry however. But I still am worried....
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow. Two independent people know about it and have said not to worry however. But I still am worried....
BTW, I am not kidding about this.
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow. Two independent people know about it and have said not to worry however. But I still am worried.....
BTW, I am not kidding about this.
Do you know what time?
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Guarantee we pass 60 now. Just wait till Hoops and Goose finish cleaning the kitchen fro dinner tonight ;D
The flurry over Buzz Williams’ future at Marquette has become absurd.
Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly? By saying nothing, Buzz is only confirming that he is considering a move, no?
Has there been news coverage that has moved the story forward?
Does anyone know a single fact?
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow. Two independent people know about it and have said not to worry however. But I still am worried....
BTW, I am not kidding about this.
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow. Two independent people know about it and have said not to worry however. But I still am worried....
BTW, I am not kidding about this.
To squash all the rumors and end of the year assessments.
End of the year assessments......is that common/coincidence for a team to do that now?
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow. Two independent people know about it and have said not to worry however. But I still am worried....
BTW, I am not kidding about this.
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Guarantee we pass 60 now. Just wait till Hoops and Goose finish cleaning the kitchen from dinner tonight ;D
60? Come on man, shoot higher than that. The comment by Another84 should get us to 60. Add in Sultan's comment and if we don't break 100, there is something wrong with us. Come on everyone, we can do it!!
Do you know what time?
End of the year assessments......is that common/coincidence for a team to do that now?
Why not? Maybe he gave them some days off to chill out. If it was an emergency meeting, he would have done it tonight. Just a guess and how do you know the meeting wasn't scheduled days ago.Yep. Agreed.
If the team met with LW and Pillarz and promised them to be better behaved, would the admin back off Buzz? Would they do that? Would it matter?
(assuming this is the real issue causing all this)
Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly? By saying nothing, Buzz is only confirming that he is considering a move, no?No. By saying nothing, Buzz is saying nothing. By inferring things from nothing, you are making unsubstantiated leaps and grasping at straws. So right in line with the rest of the thread.
The meeting is not about end of the year assessments.This thread is too confusing. Posters I normally respect have been playing head games all day, and now I can't figure what to trust.
I think this stuff is over. Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed). I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it. I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation. It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work. Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.Or it was all much ado about nothing, which is absolutely just as likely.
Someone get Bruce Weber on the phone
I just landed in Dallas this morning at 10:30AM and there was no Buzz at the airport. There was a slight hum but definitely not a Buzz.great stuff. let's get this thread back to being hilarious like it was last night.
Someone get Bruce Weber on the phoneWhy? Do you think he can talk some sense into Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams?
The meeting is not about end of the year assessments.
This thread is too confusing. Posters I normally respect have been playing head games all day, and now I can't figure what to trust.
I'm just going to accept that whatever happens is outside my control…and keep posting so we break 100 pages.
Why? Do you think he can talk some sense into Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams?
I think this stuff is over. Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed). I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it. I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation. It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work. Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.
Until the next off court incident. It's not going to end, no matter how powerful Buzz thinks he may be. One serious off court incident and he is gone. That can not be a comfortable working environment for Buzz. And that is still the heart of the matter. He and the team will be under the microscope no matter what the AD tells Buzz right now. There is no getting away from it. If you don't believe it just wait until the next incident happens, no matter how small it may seem. The Journal Sentinel will put it on front page no matter what.
This thread.
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Off to Mexico bitches.
Thanks for the entertainment. How are things in Madison today.
Maybe they all have to meet in person because Buzz's email is down from the deluge of emails from people responding to what was speculated on a message board?
If Sultan says it's true, I trust it. Hopefully that'll be the end of it. God bless the offseason, never a dull moment!And the offseason just started.
Or it was all much ado about nothing, which is absolutely just as likely.
Is that the best you can do?
really? two months from now, bar fight or some type of assault happens and you think Buzz keeps his job? Wow, you think because Buzz wins this power play that there is no microscope on the team?
Is Buzz responsible for what "adults" do even out of season?
really? two months from now, bar fight or some type of assault happens and you think Buzz keeps his job? Wow, you think because Buzz wins this power play that there is no microscope on the team?
Is Buzz responsible for what "adults" do even out of season?
1. There is a players meeting tomorrow that Buzz called late today.
2. It is not about end of the year assessments
3. I have been told by two different people it is *likely* to squash rumors, but they do not know 100 percent for sure.
Winter is coming, indeed.
Maybe the Mods can spambot LWill and the Padre like they did for the voting for Spaniel's daughter as the athlete of the week?
btw, out here in the Central Valley and heard the guy in front of me at the In & Out drive through order the "Jerry Wainwright to MU Special"
Until the next off court incident. It's not going to end, no matter how powerful Buzz thinks he may be. One serious off court incident and he is gone. That can not be a comfortable working environment for Buzz. And that is still the heart of the matter. He and the team will be under the microscope no matter what the AD tells Buzz right now. There is no getting away from it. If you don't believe it just wait until the next incident happens, no matter how small it may seem. The Journal Sentinel will put it on front page no matter what.
You don't announce your leaving like this. So that the kids can twist your arm to stay. You leave, make the announcement from Dallas and then after things die down in a few weeks, you call them.
So what you're saying is the men's basketball program will henceforth answer directly to the Milwaukee Journal, channel 6 and local sport's talk radio. Basketball player under 21 has a drink or somebody jaywalks and it's curtains for the coach. If you're right and the administration is that eager to throw Buzz under the bus, I'd say his departure is inevitable, probably sooner rather than later. And if anyone thinks Illinois looks pathetic being turned down by multiple mid major coaches (they do), just wait. Nobody with an ounce of self worth will want to work here under this administration.
Oh damn, they're taking it outside closed doors now. Hear there's a brass knuckle fight planned on 16th and Wisconsin between Pilarz and Buzz noon tomorrow.
In & Out: probably my biggest disappointment ever.
In & Out: probably my biggest food disappointment ever.
In & Out: probably my biggest food disappointment ever.
What I meant was, I'm hoping he's meeting to tell them he's staying. Can't type anymore.
really? two months from now, bar fight or some type of assault happens and you think Buzz keeps his job? Wow, you think because Buzz wins this power play that there is no microscope on the team?
Another MU, wasn't one of the things we disliked about the way Crean left (sorry to open up old wounds) was that he in fact didn't tell the team in person until after they heard it on ESPN? And how bad we thought that was? So wouldn't want Buzz to do the same, although I'm opening he's meeting them to tell them he's not leaving.
Agreed. Way, way over rated.
What it the proper way to leave? Hold a meeting and say your leaving so half the team can beg you to stay and the other half give you the finger? They are not going to order a cake and give him a good-bye party.From all I have been told, Buzz saw the players reactions to how they heard about Crean's leaving and would do all he could not to repeat that.
Sure we hate how Crean did it, unfortunately that is the only way to do it (save tell someone at the university to tell the team on his behalf before ESPN tells the world).
Uh-oh, El Salvador is up 2-1.
I think the fact that the meeting is tomorrow is a great sign. I think if Buzz were leaving and at odds with the administration, he wouldn't trust them not to leak it. Also, there's just too big of a risk for it being leaked if you wait all night. The players are all on campus and most likely most of them are in study hall together at some point in the day. It's not hard to gather them up in order to announce you are leaving in order to beat the possible leak.
Like others have said, it might be a gather everyone together, squash the rumors, and maybe he and LW or Pilarz hammered out some things that he has to relay to the players as part of them reconciling some of their differences.
From all I have been told, Buzz saw the players reactions to how they heard about Crean's leaving and would do all he could not to repeat that.
Maybe they'll all sing Kumbaya.
Thanks, now in addition to this stupid thread, I have that ringing through my mind as well! >:(
Uh-oh, El Salvador is up 2-1.
Cripes, we are up to 47 pages? SMU went 13-19 this year. Get a grip.
That has me really concerned right now. We had things well in hand until they scored 2 in 2 minutes. Need to regain control in the second half if the USA is going to play in London.
All together now.... Is that the Guadalcanal Diary version?
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbayah
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
. Is that the Guadalcanal Diary version?
Is there really a team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and this confirmed anywhere?
Every time I type SMU on my phone it comes out SMUrf.
I have instructed Jack Bauer to have Chloe hack Buzz's Iphone. Will provide results shortly.......
Is there really a team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and this confirmed anywhere?Yes, by Sultan
Its coming from Sultan, I respect his info. You should too.
God I'm glad I went to bed last night at about page 28....I swear if someone learned that Buzz took his morning dump, someone with "insider alum donor" information would put out wild speculation that he was signifying what he thinks of the new MU administration and if he flushed twice it meant he was going to take two assistant coaches with him to his next gig.
In addition to the defense stinking the midfield has been pathetic. Our offense consists of long balls from the back. Should be an interesting second half. Could sure use Juan Agudelo now
Or it was all much ado about nothing, which is absolutely just as likely.
Adu nearly had a screamer there...we're looking the better side, but need to put a couple in the back of the net. The Olympics will suck ass if the US team isn't there.
1. There is a players meeting tomorrow that Buzz called late today.
2. It is not about end of the year assessments
3. I have been told by two different people it is *likely* to squash rumors, but they do not know 100 percent for sure.
Maybe they'll all sing Kumbaya.
Adu nearly had a screamer there...we're looking the better side, but need to put a couple in the back of the net. The Olympics will suck ass if the US team isn't there.
That's fresh out of the Crean playbook. Don't think that's how Buzz rolls.
and now the time wasting starts by el salvador
Will they have kringles at the meeting?
Seriously, if buzz had an offer, it would be leaked by now. Meeting is probably about (1) I'm not going anywhere, and (2) Be good in the off season, or else...
I'll admit that all the quietness on all fronts and the scheduled meeting "that we shouldn't worry about" has me worried. As others have pointed out, Buzz will go out of his way to make sure his players here anything from him first.
I could envision that including telling another school, that he needs 1 day to iron everything out and that if any word that he has accepted/will accept is leaked he will change his mind.
100 pages?
I think this stuff is over. Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed). I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it. I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation. It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work. Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.
No, "it" was something. Remember, Marquette granted SMU permission to speak with Buzz. That doesn't happen unless Buzz wanted to talk to SMU. If Buzz wasn't interested in talking, he could have just told MU to tell SMU thanks but no thanks.
His reason for wanting to talk, though, was to send a message. Not because he wanted to coach a mid-level C-USA team.
As a competitive person and hot head, I get it. As a Marquette fan I feel the position of Marquette HC deserves more respect.
Someone get Bruce Weber on the phone
There was a deal offered reported by an actual news organization, I don't know if it was made public though. It's on the premium scout board so I don't want to post all of the details out of respect.
Boyd goal!!!
Is this on tv?
Is this on tv?
I think I'd rather have buzz leave than have to read about soccer.
No, "it" was something. Remember, Marquette granted SMU permission to speak with Buzz. That doesn't happen unless Buzz wanted to talk to SMU. If Buzz wasn't interested in talking, he could have just told MU to tell SMU thanks but no thanks.
His reason for wanting to talk, though, was to send a message. Not because he wanted to coach a mid-level C-USA team.
As a competitive person and hot head, I get it. As a Marquette fan I feel the position of Marquette HC deserves more respect.
If Larry and Pilarz ended up losing Buzz... they know the crapstorm they were in for. These are not stupid guys.
Yeah, where is this thing playing? I have actually looked.
I am watching it here http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/115756/1/watch-usa-vs-el-salvador-%5Bu23%5D.html
If the deal is being reported by an actual news organization, just tell us the news organization, we can find it
Lol! Fair, should have done that from the get go. WTMJ. They also said he is "expected" to refuse the offer.
Guys, find a new thread for the soccercrapstuff.
I think this stuff is over. Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed). I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it. I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation. It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work. Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.
Guys, find a new thread for the soccercrapstuff.
Guys, find a new thread for the soccerthanks topper.crapstuff.
Lol! Fair, should have done that from the get go. WTMJ. They also said he is "expected" to refuse the offer.
Ya know, I don't think there needs to be any other thread. Everything seems to fit in here.
Not seeing it on what passes as their website...
Breaking news: SMU is sending the big guns up to Milwaukee to negogiate the contract
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Breaking news: SMU is sending the big guns up to Milwaukee to negogiate the contract
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The other board mentions a JS article where the current AD was critical of Buzz. If accurate, can anyone provide a link, or a quote from that article? Thanks in advance.
Guys, find a new thread for the soccercrapstuff.
Does anyone actually believe they would care what students/alumni/fans think? We don't sign their paychecks. We can't do anything to seriously affect their job security. They can pretty much do damn well as they please, whether we like it or not.
Does anyone actually believe they would care what students/alumni/fans think? We don't sign their paychecks. We can't do anything to seriously affect their job security. They can pretty much do damn well as they please, whether we like it or not.
Hey Dutch, saw your comment on your site about us being up to 49 pages talking about you guys talking to buzz. To be honest, a good portion of those 49 pages are about kringles.
Hey Dutch, saw your comment on your site about us being up to 49 pages talking about you guys talking to buzz. To be honest, a good portion of those 49 pages are about kringles.
They should certainly care. Those of us who buy tickets and sign an annual paycheck to the school do our part in signing their paycheck. Getting a couple hundred messages urging them to a certain course of action is something they would be foolish to ignore. The phone calls they probably got would certainly do more, since those donors give more money than the scores of e-mailers.
I don't believe what I just saw! Please tell me that didn't happen.
From Gardner's twitter a few minutes ago: "Frustrated and mad"
They should certainly care. Those of us who buy tickets and sign an annual paycheck to the school do our part in signing their paycheck. Getting a couple hundred messages urging them to a certain course of action is something they would be foolish to ignore. The phone calls they probably got would certainly do more, since those donors give more money than the scores of e-mailers.
Ted Thompson sucks and is lucky he hit the jackpot withMcCarthyRodgers.
I don't believe what I just saw! Please tell me that didn't happen.
From Gardner's twitter a few minutes ago: "Frustrated and mad"If you get the sporting news app. on the Ipad (or iphone) it lists all the players tweets in real time....Gardner and Juan Anderson tweet non-stop about anything and everything....are you really reading into his tweets that he is frustrated and mad about Buzz leaving? Really?
All of the people that emailed in today obviously think they care.
I'm all for people "being heard", but if our AD needed a bunch of emails to see that Buzz is valuable, he's an absolute failure as a employee and as a person.
Emails should not be how the AD does his job.
Utter heartbreak. I'm in shock.
All of the people that emailed in today obviously think they care.
I'm all for people "being heard", but if our AD needed a bunch of emails to see that Buzz is valuable, he's an absolute failure as a employee and as a person.
Emails should not be how the AD does his job.
From Gardner's twitter a few minutes ago: "Frustrated and mad"
How did El Salvador not get red carded for clotheslining Boyd
But... isn't this a thread built upon crap, piled with more crap, and topped off with a SMU17/18 cherry of crap?
wow what a flub
[/quote. Simple save. Keeper boots it in extra time. No Olympics for us? Are we out?
What if all he heard prior to this week were the alums who complained? LW has not been here all that long. I doubt, until recently, those who love Buzz would have been bending his ear. Those that are bothered by the articles and charges of last summer, the JUCO's (just because they are JUCO's), the fact that basketball get's so much attention ... are likely the ones that he has heard from. It may be a small smattering in the overall universe, but if that is all he heard, he may think they are reflective of the MU community.
So, the emails may have influenced him some. Maybe not, but I suspect he has heard from the pro Buzz crowd loud and clear during the NCAA run and this week. Prior to Walker's article on LW, I would not have given two thoughts about making sure LW knows how important Buzz is. That article changed things.
Well, I agree, but you gotta draw the crap line somewhere. Soccer is over that line.
wow what a flub
[/quote. Simple save. Keeper boots it in extra time. No Olympics for us? Are we out?
Yup. We are done.
Davante' Gardner is going to bed early. What could this mean?
That he's tired?
Wait, now this is about the US- El Salvador U-23 Olympic Qualifier Soccer Game?
Wait, now this is about the US- El Salvador U-23 Olympic Qualifier Soccer Game?
Yup. We are done.
[/quote. Arrrgghhh! WTF? Easy fracking save. Ugghh!
Wait, now this is about the US- El Salvador U-23 Olympic Qualifier Soccer Game?
Will Corey's brother be leaking any news to ESPN before the meeting?
How do you get all the salsa out of a Pace jar? I don't want to use a knife, it just doesn't seem right. No spoon is long enough.
This thread is about America
How do you get all the salsa out of a Pace jar? I don't want to use a knife, it just doesn't seem right. No spoon is long enough.
Use one of these.
http://www.amazon.com/TEAPOT-ICED-SPOONS-WITH-CRYSTAL/dp/B001FYWETK/ref=sr_1_6?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1332818517&sr=1-6
I'm sure Buzz has plenty of them around from his sweat tea. Plenty of them around the SMU Campus to choose from.
Sweat Tea?
Gross.
You are a communist
TWITTTTTTTTERRRRRR TRACCCKKKKKKKERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Davante' Gardner is going to bed early. What could this mean?
A Kardashian?!?! They lose all cred.
Co-worker just texted me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams)
Who could have thunk Wikipedia beat the world to the news. Bastard kids
Edit: Edited back to original. Wikipedia needs to make up its damn mind.
From Sheeesh's twitter: "stuff ain't goin like I thought it was. I don't know what's wrong or what's going on"
That should add about 10 pages. I saw the SMU reference as well. That was quickly changed. I should have captured it.
Co-worker just texted me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams)
Who could have thunk Wikipedia beat the world to the news. Bastard kids
Edit: Edited back to original. Wikipedia needs to make up its damn mind.
From Sheeesh's twitter: "stuff ain't goin like I thought it was. I don't know what's wrong or what's going on"
I screen shot it if you want it. Gotta love the iPad.
Even better, its longer. 12"
http://www.amazon.com/Long-Stainless-Steel-Ice-Spoon/dp/B0040B8JUI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_7
followed by "She perfect but idk what's goin on"
Big Sheesh is going to bed early and mad and frustrated cause he's got lady problems...
That should add about 10 pages. I saw the SMU reference as well. That was quickly changed. I should have captured it.
Please do.
Even better, its longer. 12"
We should help him with his girl problems and offer ideas. I mean where else is this thread suppose to go?
12" is long??
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.
1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.
2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.
Those two together really make this hard to believe.
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.
1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.
2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.
Those two together really make this hard to believe.
You're all a bunch of f-ing losers who waste your time writing nonesense and then responding to each others' nonesense. I do appreciate it, as it gives me something to read from time to time. P.S- Wade is a joke anyways. He's a little crybaby who claims injury whenever relevant. He's dead to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TqG0V0AAOY&feature=fvst
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.
1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.
2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.
Those two together really make this hard to believe.
But as far as someone with 2 posts to sign on just to post that and have any level of credibility? I find that incredibly unlikely. Especially when the person's other post was this:
I know it's a vastly different level of intrigue, but where would our country be without Deep Throat?
Not like he just signed up 10 minutes ago to post this.
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Man, the one non-gay thing in this thread disappears. hell we got a donkey's dong and sliced horse heads up in this thread but no we can't have a beautiful chick in a bikini bottom on here.
Man, the one non-gay thing in this thread disappears. hell we got a donkey's dong and sliced horse heads up in this thread but no we can't have a beautiful chick in a bikini bottom on here.
Buncha hairy wet cats.
All I am saying is the people who have talked to sources are the ones who have NOT posted/written anything publicly, because there's nothing new to report right now, and the information received from sources is private...
And that somehow lends credibility to his claims? Especially in light of his flaming/trolling history?
Jim Ganzer posted publicly about a rift between Buzz and LW without specifically naming who told him that. There are other people that are usually reliable that have posted on the Scout premium board without giving names of where they got their information from.
Discounting a source simply because the source doesn't want their name to be revealed is definitely premature, especially in light of your major...there may well be a time in your career where you need to use an anonymous source, and there's nothing at all wrong with that, if that's what it takes to get a pertinent story to the public.
7 years at $19m ain't gittin er done, SMU fellas.FWIW It's a time warner IP allocated to a Menomonee Falls address. Looks like JP is playing pranks on us.
As you may be able to tell, I never post here.
However, I read this board on a daily basis, and have kept very close attention to the recent Buzz rumors. I made a call to a source I have within the athletic department and have been told the following:
1) the meeting tomorrow is confirmed.
2) there is a good chance that tomorrow will be the day in which Marquette University decides to distance themselves from Coach Williams.
3) Apparently, the powers that be, feel like the recent "black eyes" on the program (the sexual assault case(s) primarily) are not worth keeping the coach.
4) The powers that be would like to do a "house cleaning" and feel like now is the opportunity for both sides to mutually agree to part ways.
Take this however you'd like- I only post this because I feel it's relevant and not B.S.
I really hope this turns out to be nothing more than a garbage rumor, and vow to never post again if that is the case.
I PRAY THAT I NEVER POST ON THIS BOARD AGAIN!
the logic here not only prints frack but also writes kitten in replacement for another word meaning cat
things we need to discuss more.
1. The greatness that is Tom Crean
As you may be able to tell, I never post here.
this thread has been tainted. Its greatness corrupted.
Hey now, we have a 50+ page thread for these kind of wild rumors. I'll excuse you since you don't post much. Merged.
Three things we need to discuss more.
1. The greatness that is Tom Crean
2. Aaron Durley. Did he play this year?
3. How crapy the studens are. Do they even show up for weeknight games?
This isn't an anonymous source. This is "someone in the athletic department who I talked to." Jim Ganzer and Jeff Goodman talked to sources who knew they would be used in a story. That is an anonymous source.
The quest for 100 pages. Just merge all Buzz to SMU threads here.
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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We made the news!!!
That's splitting hairs. I'll be the first to say that I think this guy is just trying to wind people up and pulling this crap out of his backside. But I also feel confident that some people that have been posting here and elsewhere today and are not journalists are talking to people in the know and trying to at least share something with people not as well connected. The Internet has definitely blurred the lines of journalism, and between message boards and blogs, the number of people that have legitimate reason to use "anonymous sources" has multiplied exponentially.
If I got a call from Dick Strong today (I didn't) and he told me that he felt confident Buzz would be staying, I don't see how it would be a problem for me to post on this site that I've heard Buzz will be here from a reliable source. In no way would that tell anyone where I heard it from, but by the same token, I'm very confident that if that conversation happened, Strong wouldn't want me to put his name on it.
We made the news!!!
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Wow - they report what's on the board and have no other info. That's news? LOL - we don't even know what we're talking about!
I don't have anything to hide. I wrote my first post with nothing but the intention of getting a rise out of the board. Yes, childish, I know. I was then banned by the moderators and had to email them to be allowed to read this board. I did so because I love reading this board, and I absolutely love MU bball. I have nothing to hide- I'm a 26 year old graduate of the business school who resides in Chicago.
I'm not looking for approval, nor do I think my post is something special. I felt I that I received information worth relaying to those that care as deeply about our team as I do- so I did so. That is all.
I don't have anything to hide. I wrote my first post with nothing but the intention of getting a rise out of the board. Yes, childish, I know. I was then banned by the moderators and had to email them to be allowed to read this board. I did so because I love reading this board, and I absolutely love MU bball. I have nothing to hide- I'm a 26 year old graduate of the business school who resides in Chicago.Well then since it's true... Does anyone know how to riot? Not many good how-to videos on Youtube out there.... CBS that was a joke.
I'm not looking for approval, nor do I think my post is something special. I felt I that I received information worth relaying to those that care as deeply about our team as I do- so I did so. That is all.
I think nothing is a possibility but not just as likely. This thing doesn't get created out of whole cloth, so there has to be something to it.Yeah, SMU18 was stirring the pot.
Yeah, SMU18 was stirring the pot.
Maybe IWB was as well to drive traffic to his new site.
Remember, Marquette granted SMU permission to speak with Buzz. That doesn't happen unless Buzz wanted to talk to SMU. If Buzz wasn't interested in talking, he could have just told MU to tell SMU thanks but no thanks.Absolutely untrue. One of the few things I can say with certainty in all of this. MU granting permission gives you no accurate insight into the mind of Buzz.
We made the news!!!
If negotiations are to be done over the phone, wouldn't Kelvin Sampson be a better choice?:D
Go to their site where there is a poll - Benford is the leading candidate according to their population
http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60587
Did Arnold Palmer invent the Arnold Palmer or just popularize it?
What came first? Arnold Palmer or lemonade mixed with ice tea.
Your answer lies within.
What came first? Arnold Palmer or lemonade mixed with ice tea.
Your answer lies within.
I bet you, if arnold palmer's name was different, like ben johnson, he still would have called the drink an arnold palmer.
I bet you, if arnold palmer's name was different, like ben johnson, he still would have called the drink an arnold palmer.
I bet you, if arnold palmer's name was different, like ben johnson, he still would have called the drink an arnold palmer.
If his name was ben johnson we'd all be sucking a big johnson.
Speaking of Big Johnsons, did Randy Johnson invent the mullet or is it the Canadian National Hairstyle due to its popularity among hockey players?
It enhances the aerodynamics of the missing teeth.
Agreed. Way, way over rated.
Resulting in Five Guys in my stomach...
If the team met with LW and Pillarz and promised them to be better behaved, would the admin back off Buzz? Would they do that? Would it matter?
(assuming this is the real issue causing all this)
Agreed. In N Out Burger isn't bad, but it's nowhere near what the hype suggests it would be.
Five Guys, on the other hand...
There's nothing like Five Guys in my mouth...
Resulting in Five Guys in my stomach...
In Seattle it's Dicks...
http://www.dicksdrivein.com/
Named America's Most Life Changing Burger by Esquire Magazine
That's the cheapest menu I've ever seen
accomplished golfer
or refreshing beverage
age old mystery
Seriously, though...Five Guys is fantastic. One of the three best burgers in Milwaukee, along with Sobleman's (the original...MU Campus is for hairy wet cats) and Solly's. That butter dripping down and soaking the entire bun is simply irresistible.
In Seattle it's Dicks...
http://www.dicksdrivein.com/
Named America's Most Life Changing Burger by Esquire Magazine
Seriously, though...Five Guys is fantastic. One of the three best burgers in Milwaukee, along with Sobleman's (the original...MU Campus is for hairy wet cats) and Solly's. That butter dripping down and soaking the entire bun is simply irresistible.Ever had Mazos? Best burger in town, hands down.
Ever had Mazos? Best burger in town, hands down.
I can't believe a chain like Five Guys ranks at all. That's a pretty standard burger.
Agreed. In N Out Burger isn't bad, but it's nowhere near what the hype suggests it would be.
Five Guys, on the other hand...
There's nothing like Five Guys in my mouth...
Heard Mazos is good, but I'd tried going there a couple times and it's always closed.That's the place. Must cater exclusively to St. Luke's. Open from like 11-5.
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.
1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.
2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.
Those two together really make this hard to believe.
now he says no team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and "no decisions made" - whatever that means
By saying nothing, Buzz is confirming that he is considering a move, no?No. No. No. NO. No. No. NO. Emphatic No. Absolutely Not. NO. No. NO.
Can someone tell me where this was? Didn't see anything on IWB's twitter, nothing on the website, and no posts on either here or Scout indicating anything of the sort.
Yes, from IWB and Goodman online, and both 58 and 6 have covered it locally. Not sure about the Dallas end.
at 10:21 PM in the MU Forum on his site...
Awww...look at the cute little journalism student!!!
Did Arnold Palmer invent the Arnold Palmer or just popularize it?
By saying nothing, Buzz is confirming that he is considering a move, no?Because I've now had to answer this question almost verbatim three times in the last two days (to be fair, twice it was your question), it needs to be said again:
Five Guys is fantastic, and the original Sobelman's is far better than the new one, but not even Solly's is in the running for best burger in Milwaukee. And no...not AJ Bombers either. The best burger in Milwaukee is now the Blackjack Burger at Potowatomi. Unbelievably good, without a doubt the best burger I've ever had. Really surprised it doesn't get more pub locally. If you haven't had it, it's worth a trip to the Fire Pit.
Well, I'm glad it's this morning. Will make it much easier to work with this behind us. But ... unless Buzz leaves, will this thread even hit 60 pages? Is that not a thing any more?
Can someone tell me where this was? Didn't see anything on IWB's twitter, nothing on the website, and no posts on either here or Scout indicating anything of the sort.
Most of the threads dealing with Buzz Williams and his future at Marquette University are being blended into one thread, which is now way too long and impossible to peruse unless one has hours to kill.
Perhaps this is an effort to create the mother of all threads for this site. But to what end?
Why not keep threads separate so people can read and perhaps reply to specific topics? If there are many, so be it. This is an important topic.
I still want to know if we know more today than we knew yesterday.
Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly?
By saying nothing, Buzz is confirming that he is considering a move, no?
Has there been news coverage that has moved the story forward?
Does anyone know a single fact related to Buzz Williams’ future at Marquette University?
Because I've now had to answer this question almost verbatim three times in the last two days (to be fair, twice it was your question), it needs to be said again:
No. Buzz cannot confirm something by not talking. Simply not possible. He also cannot be expected to comment every time another school asks to talk to him just to appease the fanbase. He has better things to do and the fanbase shouldn't be so fickle.
So, to answer your question, no. Buzz is not confirming anything by not saying anything. Buzz may stay, Buzz may leave, but you aren't going to figure that out by reading between the lines of nothing.
No. No. No. NO. No. No. NO. Emphatic No. Absolutely Not. NO. No. NO.
By saying nothing, Buzz is saying nothing. Saying nothing does not mean anything at all. The truth could be either way, but you'll never figure it out by inferring from the nothing someone said.
I didn't watch the 58 report, I just knew they had a story addressing it. No idea where they sourced it from, if it was local message boards, I guess we're the ones driving the media now ;DI hear ya, but I simply don't believe any of it to be true. For your sanity and a much smoother ride it works out very well.
Fox 6, however, did have this story earlier. Along with Goodman and IWB, that seems to be where the initial panic generated from.
Either way, this just sucks. I feel like this is a yo-yo ride. It starts, we go down as we hear "Buzz to...", then it goes up as we all have a good laugh hearing "...SMU", then it goes down as a few trusted sources say "should MU be concerned? The answer is yes", then it goes up as other sources say "it's being worked out, we can breathe easy now", then it goes down with conflicting reports of the meeting and the simple delay of nothing being said.
If Buzz leaves for another job I feel it will be indicative that MU's administration doesn't have a long-term plan for the success of the program. Even if they follow Buzz up with a home-run hire, I think the blueprint is already in place. Letting Buzz go would be the equivalent of firing Al McGuire after the 1969 season.
Sadly bigger is not always better.
This thread can not die until it gets to at least 75 pages. As a shuttle van driver for the Airport, I will put in my dues to make sure that every flight to Dallas has a mandatory check of the Passenger Manifest for anyone named Williams or Buzz.
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
For the record, I find it hilarious that this was forced into another thread ;)Yes. I didn't think it would get through the first time, since it didn't get through yesterday. I don't think it can be stressed enough that you can't suddenly figure everything out by listening to what Buzz didn't say.
And TJ...didn't you already basically say the exact same thing in response to the exact same post right here? ?-(
This thread can not die until it gets to at least 75 pages. As a shuttle van driver for the Airport, I will put in my dues to make sure that every flight to Dallas has a mandatory check of the Passenger Manifest for anyone named Williams or Buzz.Check for "Brent" too.
We're Famous!
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153992/were-all-famous
Yes. I didn't think it would get through the first time, since it didn't get through yesterday. I don't think it can be stressed enough that you can't suddenly figure everything out by listening to what Buzz didn't say.
A legit news outlet is reporting what's being said on message boards?! That's just embarassing.
I have to go with Mazo's Keep it southside!+1 Brazillion
Yes. I didn't think it would get through the first time, since it didn't get through yesterday. I don't think it can be stressed enough that you can't suddenly figure everything out by listening to what Buzz didn't say.
Maybe IWB was as well to drive traffic to his new site.
http://goo.gl/p5cV8 (http://goo.gl/p5cV8)
That's a Twitter link to 8 current players / coaches on the team. If something happens, I'm betting on Twitter first.
Seems highly likely to me.
And to MU Ave who thinks we need more threads. No. This one will do just fine. Why have hundreds of little trash cans for one topic when you can have one big one.
http://goo.gl/p5cV8 (http://goo.gl/p5cV8)
That's a Twitter link to 8 current players / coaches on the team. If something happens, I'm betting on Twitter first.
Yeah, one big dumpster is fine.
Maybe IWB was as well to drive traffic to his new site.
Seems highly likely to me.
We're Famous!
*fail on embedding south park video
Don't forget @kingmedj1 for DJO
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Williams, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure. Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "highkind of low to mid-majorish quality" men's basketball program. This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.
Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible. But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.
Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Williams, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure. Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high quality" men's basketball program. This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.
Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible. But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.
Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Williams, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure. Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high quality" men's basketball program. This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.
Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible. But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.
Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?
In what way are they reaching out? I imagine a phone call: Hi Dr. Booster, this is Marquette University Athletic Director, Larry Williams. I just wanted to let you know that Marquette sincerely appreciates the donations that you've made to help our athletic department become one of the best and most well-funded in the Big East. By the way, Buzz is leaving for a mid-major and we're about to become DePaul. Enjoy your Tuesday!Add... Don't worry though because we think we have the inside track to hire one of the hottest young coaches around... Yep you guessed it. Brian F'n Wardle. Currently tearing it up at UW-GB, signing 7 footers left and right, in addition to a few 5 footers.
Well if true, the better have one hell of replacement ready that have already been talking to. LW will only get one shot at this.
I just wanted to let you know that Marquette sincerely appreciates the donations that you've made to help our athletic department become one of the best and most well-funded in the Big East. By the way, Buzz is leaving for a mid-major and we're about to becomeDePaulSLU. Enjoy your Tuesday![/i]
Add... Don't worry though because we think we have the inside track to hire one of the hottest young coaches around... Yep you guessed it. Brian F'n Wardle. Currently tearing it up at UW-GB, signing 7 footers left and right, in addition to a few 5 footers.
I assume you mean this as a joke?What gave it away was the part about 5 footers...
I assume you mean this as a joke?
If he were gone, you'd think SMU would have a leak and that there would be news of contacts between MQ and some other potential hires. Not buying it at this point.We are MU people. Don't let Missouri try to steal our birthright. We are Marquette University. MU. Even ICANN agrees with us - guess where you go when you type www.mu.edu... that's right - Marquette's website.
And, the team meeting for today is off?
Anything less than Phil Jackson and there's gonna be a riot.
If you took that seriously may God have mercy on your soul...
Seriously, though...Five Guys is fantastic. One of the three best burgers in Milwaukee, along with Sobleman's (the original...MU Campus is for hairy wet cats) and Solly's. That butter dripping down and soaking the entire bun is simply irresistible.
not so funny - Wardle's name as a potential replacement has been thrown out there. That's why I hope he is joking....
not so funny - Wardle's name as a potential replacement has been thrown out there. That's why I hope he is joking....I think we should go with John Cliff.
Bernie Fine ... he perfect because if Buzz leaves Bernie symbolizes what LW is doing to MU.
In what way are they reaching out? I imagine a phone call: Hi Dr. Booster, this is Marquette University Athletic Director, Larry Williams. I just wanted to let you know that Marquette sincerely appreciates the donations that you've made to help our athletic department become one of the best and most well-funded in the Big East. By the way, Buzz is leaving for a mid-major and we're about to become DePaul. Enjoy your Tuesday!
Nah, LW wants a Notre Dame man.
Kinda teal?
I was told that this particular donor received both an e-mail and follow-up phone call from Larry Williams.
Boom 60es the dynamite.
I was told that this particular donor received both an e-mail and follow-up phone call from Larry Williams.
I really hope it doesn't come to this, but it would be a very interesting summer if Buzz did end up departing.
Are there any big time donors on this board that would be getting these emails/calls? If so please enlighten us.For some reason i have this image of the big time donor as some guy with white hair, about 65 years old golfing at Blue Mound Country club than stiffing the caddy
Domers and Jesuits: Always the smartest people in the room. Just ask them.
Did you just humanize yourself?It's not mine, but I *thought* it was pretty thorough. Brewcity77 proved that false!
No way any of this makes it into written form at this point. No way. I call bull on your source.
+1
My email to the administration - which admittedly will be ignored - focused on the idea that one of the primary reasons I chose MU was bc of the name. Right or wrong, many people outside of the midwest only have awareness of MU bc of basketball. The less successful the basketball team, in some respects the less value the degree from that university has. Obviously over time one's work experience trumps where you went to college by 100X, but the point remains.
Well I guess that is unless you went to ND, where it is the only line item on your resume you talk about.
https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200 (https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200)
muathletics: Buzz tapes #mubb season wrapup show Tuesday on @sports32. http://t.co/rHsM9vHM
A friend of my just called and said that big money MU contributors are starting to receive phone calls that Buzz is leaving. Seems reliable....
https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200 (https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200)
muathletics: Buzz tapes #mubb season wrapup show Tuesday on @sports32. http://t.co/rHsM9vHM
Neither is Kuma's in Chicago.....
To stir the pot...this was just posted on IWB's free website. No idea if this guy has any credibility...
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Willia
ms, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure. Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high quality" men's basketball program. This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.
Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible. But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.
Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?
No one has reached out to me.
Great quote from Kuma's website.
"Death to Miller and Budweiser... they are over-produced and inferior products that prevent passionate craftsmen from sharing their gifts with all of us."
Or someone who read it here, and cross posted.
To stir the pot...this was just posted on IWB's free website. No idea if this guy has any credibility...
https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200 (https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200)
muathletics: Buzz tapes #mubb season wrapup show Tuesday on @sports32. http://t.co/rHsM9vHM
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Sorry for the picture edit. It's new screen capture software and I wanted to play.
As SMU officials look on and LW is in the crapper trying not to crap his pants.
Are all the stalls occupied?
How many new sites is IWB going to have? What happened to the SportsBubbler? And why do they all look like they were made in the late 80's?
And he seriously named his Marquette forum "Inside the Al"?
It's all a conspiracy to get people to pay for premium message boards!
Don't give in!
Don't let Dodds win!
Well Seth Greenberg throws SMU rumors to the curb. Buzz?Buzz has better things to do than to spend time dispelling every rumor that comes up about him. Just like we have better things to do than overreact about every freakin' rumor that comes up about Buzz. The Grambling State coaching position is open - should Buzz hold a press conference to say he's not interested?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies-journal/post/virginia-tech-coach-seth-greenberg-dismisses-smu-rumors/2012/03/26/gIQAKk66dS_blog.html
Buzz has better things to do than to spend time dispelling every rumor that comes up about him. Just like we have better things to do than overreact about every freakin' rumor that comes up about Buzz. The Grambling State coaching position is open - should Buzz hold a press conference to say he's not interested?
I have the Scout premium access for MU. You have to pay for SMU separately. Also, I did pay for the SMU Rivals board and that Laken Litman person is a laughing stock at the Rivals board.
But overreacting is what we're best at!
This thread proves that we do NOT have better things to do.I stand by the rest of my post, but that is very true.
This doesn't even address the fan fire storm. If Larry is a smart guy, unless there is some bad stuff about the program that hasn't come out yet there is no way he could let Buzz go.
Either that, or he has someone lined up that he thinks, right or wrong, would appease the masses.
Either that, or he has someone lined up that he thinks, right or wrong, would appease the masses.
Either that, or he has someone lined up that he thinks, right or wrong, would appease the masses.
Here's my theory on why there is no way LW can let Buzz go. Presumably MU is concerned about their image hence the "issues" with Buzz. If Buzz doesn't leave for A&M last year but suddenly leaves for SMU this year a HUGE step down from A&M let alone MU, the media while dumb is going to figure some of this out. And then how does MU spin the whole thing, it will just rachet up attention on the program further because MU would ditch a wildly successful coach to clean up the program. The media will smell blood in the water and the program will be picked a part, plus who is going to want to coach here under those self-manufactured circumstances.I know how to spin it: "The guy left for S-M-freakin'-U. 13-19, 11th place in CUSA SMU. What do you want me to say? He must have been tired of all the winning he was doing here and wanted a chance to lose 20+ games every year as his new school enters the Big East. I can't force the guy to stay here. If money is all that motivates him, then so be it. We'll do our best to find someone a little less crazy to be the next coach."
This doesn't even address the fan fire storm. If Larry is a smart guy, unless there is some bad stuff about the program that hasn't come out yet there is no way he could let Buzz go.
to the general public, even to the general Marquette fans, this issue doesn't even exist yet.ding ding ding
Better be Shaka.Shaka has been very clear about the fact that he's staying at VCU. I wouldn't get too focused on that idea.
Or he's not calling the shots and Pilarz and the BOT are. What I don't get, is what could they possibly know now that they didn't know months ago when the off court issues surfaced? If all of this is true, they'll have some SERIOUS answering to do.
To us, it may feel like agony, but to the general public, even to the general Marquette fans, this issue doesn't even exist yet.
Or he's not calling the shots and Pilarz and the BOT are. What I don't get, is what could they possibly know now that they didn't know months ago when the off court issues surfaced? If all of this is true, they'll have some SERIOUS answering to do.
Gun to my head, I think there was a small brushfire but the Williams put it out and we're good.Most likely scenario.
Or he's not calling the shots and Pilarz and the BOT are. What I don't get, is what could they possibly know now that they didn't know months ago when the off court issues surfaced? If all of this is true, they'll have some SERIOUS answering to do.
I know how to spin it: "The guy left for S-M-freakin'-U. 13-19, 11th place in CUSA SMU. What do you want me to say? He must have been tired of all the winning he was doing here and wanted a chance to lose 20+ games every year as his new school enters the Big East. I can't force the guy to stay here. If money is all that motivates him, then so be it. We'll do our best to find someone a little less crazy to be the next coach."
One key overlooked factor of all of this - or at least a factor that might have been discussed 30-40 pages ago - is that, to the "average" fan, they:
a) don't know or can't recall anything about the alleged assault
b) if they do know anything, there aren't any specifics out there, hence the MU brand isn't severely damaged
c) hardly anyone other than MU boosters or WI fans know/care about the six tickets reported on last week
So, that being said, for MU to potentially go the way of letting the coach in the name of "saving the brand!" would make no sense at all.
If anything, it would only
a) bring the prior issues to the forefront
b) make MU a joke by releasing Buzz for what aren't deemed issues of his fault (in the public eye at least)
c) frighten off any "name" coaches to come here. After all, "if eveyone loved Buzz and they canned him, why should I step into that sh!tstorm?"
Thats the initial spin, but Buzz also has something to say and based on Buzz so far I don't think he would have any hesitation to put "the truth" out there, and that's the thing MU would have spin problems with.
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.
Thats the initial spin, but Buzz also has something to say and based on Buzz so far I don't think he would have any hesitation to put "the truth" out there, and that's the thing MU would have spin problems with.Then you follow up with: "The guy wanted to be god, but since I worked for Notre Dame I was forced to memorize Rudy so I know '1) there is a God, and 2) neither Buzz nor I are him'"
I know how to spin it: "The guy left for S-M-freakin'-U. 13-19, 11th place in CUSA SMU. What do you want me to say? He must have been tired of all the winning he was doing here and wanted a chance to lose 20+ games every year as his new school enters the Big East. I can't force the guy to stay here. If money is all that motivates him, then so be it. We'll do our best to find someone a little less crazy to be the next coach."
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.There was a lawsuit pending with New Orleans. He couldn't get into specifics.
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.
Shaka has been very clear about the fact that he's staying at VCU. I wouldn't get too focused on that idea.
Add... Don't worry though because we think we have the inside track to hire one of the hottest young coaches around... Yep you guessed it. Brian F'n Wardle. Currently tearing it up at UW-GB, signing 7 footers left and right, in addition to a few 5 footers.That's not really a joke, maybe a bit of Oliver Stone mixed with the book of Revelation, but not a joke since its conceivable that it could happen.
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money. Not 1 penny about money. Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??" Think Buzz is responsible for that? Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD?? If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money. Not 1 penny about money. Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??" Think Buzz is responsible for that? Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD?? If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.
Just a quick comparison of the two programs:
SMU
96 seasons: 1202-1149, .511
9 20+ win seasons
10 NCAA appearances
1 Final Four (1956)
2 NITs
Moody Coliseum capacity: 8,998
Marquette
95 seasons: 1494-913, .621
33 20+ win seasons
30 NCAA appearances
3 Final Fours (1974, 1977, 2003)
1 NCAA Championship (1977)
1 NCAA Runner Up (1974)
16 Sweet 16's
15 NITs (1 Championship - 1970)
Bradley Center capacity: 18,850
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money. Not 1 penny about money. Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??" Think Buzz is responsible for that? Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD?? If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.
SMU: AD and Prez that want him a lotDing
MU: AD and Prez that don't seem to care if he stays or not.
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money. Not 1 penny about money. Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??" Think Buzz is responsible for that? Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD?? If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.HA!!! Good stuff. Sadly I think you're being serious.
I know you LOOOOOVEEEE buzz, but seriously. Top 5? He'll be competing with UT, A&M, Kansas, Oklahahoma and every other freaking school (its freaking Texas, they dont all lean to the in-state schools - especially ones with ZERO history or proof of success). I don't know how MU will do, but if we can keep the majority of the current team, we should be fine with a new coach and have a chance to build momentum with him (a la Buzz).
Uh oh. I am hearing things that leads me to believe buzz isn't going to be here. He is handling this better than TC is but it is but it is stretching out the process. Have a feeling goose and muguru were right about how this has been brewing for awhile...even prior to LW being here.
SMU: AD and Prez that want him a lot
MU: AD and Prez that don't seem to care if he stays or not.
Yeah sure, cause coaches are always truthful. I'd still doubt it, but I'm just making the point that if the administration is really pushing Buzz out then they better hell have great hire waiting in the wings that they are already talking to.And I'm saying that you should look at Illinois if you want to put Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens on the top of your list. Public/media reaction to nonissues like missing on your first two coaching candidates can be swift and harsh.
Based on...internet rumors?
I've heard rumblings since October (pre-Larry Williams) that Buzz could be leaving and he wouldn't be stopped (the thought being every year our coach could leave but we always entice him to stay). I still think the best play is for Buzz to dig his heels; MU is not going to fire him and he'll get a raise out of it to placate him.
I know you LOOOOOVEEEE buzz, but seriously. Top 5? He'll be competing with UT, A&M, Kansas, Oklahahoma and every other freaking school (its freaking Texas, they dont all lean to the in-state schools - especially ones with ZERO history or proof of success). I don't know how MU will do, but if we can keep the majority of the current team, we should be fine with a new coach and have a chance to build momentum with him (a la Buzz).
Based on...internet rumors?Would we really have a 64 page thread if it was more than rumors? This isn't K-State, A&M, or Oklahoma we are talking about, this is f**king SMU. If you let Buzz go to SMU you are telling the world you didn't really want him.
Anything less than Phil Jackson and there's gonna be a riot.
MU: AD and Prez that don't seem to care if he stays or not.according to anonymous internet message board postings, inferences based on nothing, rumor, hearsay, and nothing else.
Many here continue to underestimate the just how much pull Buzz has with his players, players families, former players, etc. Blue Chip recruits don't choose a school because of the school...they go to the school due to the coach. Period. Buzz can easily sell his track record at MU to recruits in Texas to get them to come to SMU. Hell, he has to recruit nationally to get MU competitive - in Texas, he could probably just recruit regionally. And...I can tell you it will be highly unlikely we will keep ANY of the incoming recruits..Burton, Wilson, Taylor, Taylor, etc..if Buzz leaves.
Blue Chips recruits have NEVER committed to Buzz. Buzz recruited as well as he did because he had MU to recruit them to. Let's see what he does for a bottom feeder CUSA team - its much harder than it looks.
And I'm saying that you should look at Illinois if you want to put Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens on the top of your list. Public/media reaction to nonissues like missing on your first two coaching candidates can be swift and harsh.
How in the world would it make any sense that Buzz was on his way out BEFORE the moves in the administration? So, the new AD and/or prez were told Buzz must be removed as coach at the end of the year in order for you to get this job? I have my doubts about that. Buzz didn't get along with Cottingham/Wilde? Well, they're gone now. That doesn't make one bit of sense.
Blue Chips recruits have NEVER committed to Buzz. Buzz recruited as well as he did because he had MU to recruit them to. Let's see what he does for a bottom feeder CUSA team - its much harder than it looks.
HA!!! Good stuff. Sadly I think you're being serious.
SMU doesn't suddenly get UT's recruits because they have Buzz. SMU doesn't suddenly ease their admissions requirements because they have Buzz. SMU doesn't suddenly jump up to anything better than 5th best program in the state of Texas just because they have Buzz. You don't think there will be scrutiny placed on a basketball coach making almost $3M per year? Nothing would get easier for him; everything would be significantly harder. I personally am a big fan of Buzz and I actually think he could slowly but surely make it work, but there will be no overnight success at SMU - with or without Buzz.
How in the world would it make any sense that Buzz was on his way out BEFORE the moves in the administration? So, the new AD and/or prez were told Buzz must be removed as coach at the end of the year in order for you to get this job? I have my doubts about that. Buzz didn't get along with Cottingham/Wilde? Well, they're gone now. That doesn't make one bit of sense.
This just in, all but maybe 5-7 programs are based mostly on the coach. The other 5-7 are built-in brands that have a leg-up no matter what (IU, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc).
To say out of one side of your mouth that Buzz is a really great coach, but then poo poo his chances of being successful at SMU when he has shown he is successful at M freakin U is disengenous at best and moronic at worst.
Yeah, it's SMU, but so what? Buzz isn't an unproven commodity like he was when he got to MU. He had to work hard to convince kids to come here. Now, if he leaves? He has three kids that he coached in the NBA - two of whom were first rounders and one was an undrafted free agent who would have never gotten the opportunity had the former coach stuck around. Throw in the fact his love for the kids, the fact he has played a key role in turning "nice" players into stars (Butler, Hayward, Williams, Crowder, DJO)? I mean... just because there are other schools in Texas doesn't mean Buzz would suck there.
He's been recruiting nationally at MU. Why would he now fail just because he's physically located in the south? That makes zero sense.
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.
Blue Chips recruits have NEVER committed to Buzz. Buzz recruited as well as he did because he had MU to recruit them to. Let's see what he does for a bottom feeder CUSA team - its much harder than it looks.
Buzz could also sell them on the fact that he took a small, private, urban university and made them into a nationally-recognized program. Honestly, how many 16-year-old ballers in Texas are even remotely familiar with MU's basketball tradition, other than knowing DWade went there?
Hypothetically, because it's coming from the BOT. They saw a problem with S-Cot and Buzz, and knew Wilde was on his way out. So they found replacements that would be okay with making a change at the most visible position at the University, and would be okay with pushing out the most popular coach MU has had since Al McGuire.
Again, I don't know any of this for certain, but I highly doubt that this started with LW. I just can't picture him being foolish enough to try to make his name on Buzz's scalp. If Buzz is truly being pushed out, it's coming from above LW, and it's coming from people who think they can replace Buzz.
He wont go anywhere with the contract we are hearing...
He left New Orleans because they lied to him. He took a lesser job because he wouldn't put up with New Orleans not keeping their committments. If he leaves MU for a lesser job like SMU I'd say this is New Orleans part deaux.
Given that, expect a freefall for the program. Whether it bottoms out in mediocrity or some post apolyptic nuclear winter - who knows? But it will be bad - real bad.
Buzz has better things to do than to spend time dispelling every rumor that comes up about him. Just like we have better things to do than overreact about every freakin' rumor that comes up about Buzz. The Grambling State coaching position is open - should Buzz hold a press conference to say he's not interested?
What 16-year old ballers from Texas were alive when SMU was relevant in anything?
Hypothetically, because it's coming from the BOT. They saw a problem with S-Cot and Buzz, and knew Wilde was on his way out. So they found replacements that would be okay with making a change at the most visible position at the University, and would be okay with pushing out the most popular coach MU has had since Al McGuire.
Again, I don't know any of this for certain, but I highly doubt that this started with LW. I just can't picture him being foolish enough to try to make his name on Buzz's scalp. If Buzz is truly being pushed out, it's coming from above LW, and it's coming from people who think they can replace Buzz.
Sorry - we have more Top 100 kids in the program and committed to the program in the future than ever before. Listen, I love MU basketball, and have for 25 years - but it is NOT the university that is the drawing card for these kids. It is the coach. Period. McGuire, O'Neill, Crean, Buzz. These guys had/have it...and in my view Al and Buzz are almost comparable...Crean and K.O. comparable. There have been plenty of other coaches at MU who couldn't get it done.
Buzz will absolutely get it done if he goes to SMU or anywhere else for that matter. They guy is relentless, hard working, sincere, and a very good basketball coach and recruiter.
Wardle hasn't done stink yet to command a job of this caliber. I would hope higher profile candidates would emerge.
The BOT, the one's who gave us "Gold". I have a lot of faith in them!
Wardle hasn't done stink yet to command a job of this caliber. I would hope higher profile candidates would emerge.Name a head coach in a horizon level or above conference who would come to a program that:
But they will not. If this story plays out as it appears to be, Buzz is being given a cold shoulder, jumping off the bus to a mid-major team. This would be a death blow to Marquette's program.
What major coach would agree to coaching for MU, when a guy didn't get support after massive athletic success who also talks about "character" all the time?
If it wasn't for the 5x raise Wardle would get, he'd turn it down too.
Do you know anything deeper than that?I had read reports that the problem was Buzz's buyout when OK and A&M openedup.
October isn't so far from April and it makes me wonder if the seat was getting itchy in the Autumn why wasn't it itchy enough to take a somewhat attractive job with Oklahoma or A&M? What happened over the summer?
Seemingly, from the outside, it looked like Buzz had handled the transition from Crean and was really setting a foundation last season and this season. He knows what he could do but the feeling of being undermined won't take long to rot that foundation and it seems to have been a matter of months rather than years in that rotting.
The BOT, the one's who gave us "Gold". I have a lot of faith in them!
Please stop your Buzz crush and realize that A LOT of very good coaches have attempted to jump ship to try to rebuild a program and failed. You act as though he can do it with a snap of his fingers.
But they will not. If this story plays out as it appears to be, Buzz is being given a cold shoulder, jumping off the bus to a mid-major team. This would be a death blow to Marquette's program.
What major coach would agree to coaching for MU, when a guy didn't get support after massive athletic success who also talks about "character" all the time?
If it wasn't for the 5x raise Wardle would get, he'd turn it down too.
If Buzz is pushed out, Shaka is not walking through that door. Don't even mention Brad Stevens. It's Chris Collins if he would take it under the new rules put in place and Brian if he doesn't. While I cringe at the thought of Chris Collins, and know he would absolutely use us as a stepping stone, I'm just not ready for the Brian Wardle experiment.Hey, I'm the one making that point. Say that to whoever I just replied to.
That's all made up in my head too, I don't have sources.
Please stop your Buzz crush and realize that A LOT of very good coaches have attempted to jump ship to try to rebuild a program and failed. You act as though he can do it with a snap of his fingers.
I heard about friction going back to last fall. This is not a LW power play in my opinion. The school has determine if the risk is worth the reward, both on and off the court. MU has to protect the brand and obviously any negative from the program makes them nervous. I do get that but unless they are holding back other issues they may be erroring too far on the side of caution.
I don't know what is going to happen, and have no inside source whatsoever. But too many people here are assuming if he leaves that he was "forced" out or shown the door by Williams and Pilarz. IF, IF he leaves to take the SMU job, maybe its because he wants to go, despite anything Williams and Pilarz offer him? Maybe he has some new demands that the MU Admin is not willing to meet? And my guess is we'll probably never know the real reason if it turns out he does leave. He left his first job after 1 year, and if he leaves now, he'll leave his second job after 4 years. All I'm saying is while many want to entirely blame Williams and Pilarz, maybe this situation is also due to Buzz as well. But the speculation sure is fun, huh?
Just to confirm, this is a school that backed off of "Warriors" because it offended like 35 people, right?
Thanks.
If this tumbles, we do have a nice option being currently explored.
If Buzz were to leave, which I do not believe, we would have zero chance of hiring anyone of quality. This situation would be beyond a major blow to the university. I believe the school believes that the vast majority of fans would embrace a Wardle type of coach.Who would you consider a quality hire?
There are a lot of people on this board who are heavily invested in the "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" schtick. For some of those people, it will be easier to blame this on the University that they loved long before Buzz arrived (and hopefully will love long after he goes -- whenever that is) than to admit that they fell for a line.
There are a lot of people on this board who are heavily invested in the "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" schtick. For some of those people, it will be easier to blame this on the University that they loved long before Buzz arrived (and hopefully will love long after he goes -- whenever that is) than to admit that they fell for a line.
Hey, I'm the one making that point. Say that to whoever I just replied to.Too many posts to keep track of....sorry.
This just in, all but maybe 5-7 programs are based mostly on the coach. The other 5-7 are built-in brands that have a leg-up no matter what (IU, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc).I don't think he would fail. I also was replying to a crazy overreaction by Ners that said SMU would be top 5 in the Big East in 5 years with Buzz. Maybe I used some hyperbole to say that won't happen. SMU isn't just a simple coach hire away from greatness. Buzz would do a great job building the program to success, but it wouldn't be overnight.
To say out of one side of your mouth that Buzz is a really great coach, but then poo poo his chances of being successful at SMU when he has shown he is successful at M freakin U is disengenous at best and moronic at worst.
Yeah, it's SMU, but so what? Buzz isn't an unproven commodity like he was when he got to MU. He had to work hard to convince kids to come here. Now, if he leaves? He has three kids that he coached in the NBA - two of whom were first rounders and one was an undrafted free agent who would have never gotten the opportunity had the former coach stuck around. Throw in the fact his love for the kids, the fact he has played a key role in turning "nice" players into stars (Butler, Hayward, Williams, Crowder, DJO)? I mean... just because there are other schools in Texas doesn't mean Buzz would suck there.
He's been recruiting nationally at MU. Why would he now fail just because he's physically located in the south? That makes zero sense.
Oh man, I can't wait until SMU wins more games than MU and Buzz freaks come out and show MU how they were wrong. ::)
Thinking back on it, that line is brilliant! No matter when or where he leaves, he's already set it up so that it was because "they" won't have him anymore. It's gold, Jerry! Gold!
Please join Marquette Men's Basketball Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season!
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Great quote from Kuma's website.
"Death to Miller and Budweiser... they are over-produced and inferior products that prevent passionate craftsmen from sharing their gifts with all of us."
Or in 2013 when MU loses in the BC by 20 to SMU.
Oh man, I can't wait until SMU wins more games than MU and Buzz freaks come out and show MU how they were wrong. ::)
Um well Grambling State isn't being rumored to be in discussions with Buzz. So try another comparison.Southern Utah job is open. Hold a presser to say Buzz isn't interested.
May not happen at the snap of his fingers, but at least a lot of us are willing to give the guy credit for what he's done. He does have a track record, you know.
May not happen at the snap of his fingers, but at least a lot of us are willing to give the guy credit for what he's done. He does have a track record, you know.
Email is not a sign, can change like that. Plus it is the marketing department...
Just trying to slow down our goal of 100 pages. Don't fall for it.
Maybe Larry figures since he went to ND he's an expert on everything and he'll just do that basketball coaching himself in his spare time.
This whole situation seems like Jimmy Johnson vs. the President of Miami, when he was getting mad at Jimmy/the players for off the field issues and Jimmy told the players- dont worry about him I'll deal with it, just keep doing what your doing and win. I hope Buzz can have a similar outcome...2 national championships
Not to get off track, but why does everybody keep bringing up larry's ND education?
Do we really think he's trying to destroy MU, or he can't possibly be good at his job because he went to ND?
There are a lot of people on this board who are heavily invested in the "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" schtick. For some of those people, it will be easier to blame this on the University that they loved long before Buzz arrived (and hopefully will love long after he goes -- whenever that is) than to admit that they fell for a line.If he goes, it was abso-figgin-lutely just a line. "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" <> bolting after 4 years.
Holy S. Ners would burn the Bradley Center down.Because he was so excited that his man-crush Buzz won the game?
If this tumbles, we do have a nice option being currently explored.
Because he was so excited that his man-crush Buzz won the game?
What's the option?
I'll echo what Sultan is saying... it's not good.
Nothing is done, but MU hasn't exactly made a push to keep him. LW is basically waiting him out.
I will be very, very surprised if he is still Marquette's coach.
Maybe we've been emailing the wrong people... Who are the people on the BOT?
Maybe we've been emailing the wrong people... Who are the people on the BOT?
Oh man, I can't wait until SMU wins more games than MU and Buzz freaks come out and show MU how they were wrong. ::)
Well, this "Buzz freak" won't wait until it happens. I'll say it right now. Kind of like when I told you in January of Buzz's first year that he was a best recruiter/coach/ we'd had since Al.Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).
I didn't leave myself the wiggle room to second guess on Buzz the first time (as you and many others consistently did). I won't do it now. If he goes to SMU, their program is headed up, big time. Ours will be going in the opposite direction. When they'll cross going in different directions is unknown, but it will happen.
They want to keep Buzz on their terms. He is free to walk away if he doesn't like them. That is where we are at right now. I have no idea what their terms are.
Well, this "Buzz freak" won't wait until it happens. I'll say it right now. Kind of like when I told you in January of Buzz's first year that he was a best recruiter/coach/ we'd had since Al.
I didn't leave myself the wiggle room to second guess on Buzz the first time (as you and many others consistently did). I won't do it now. If he goes to SMU, their program is headed up, big time. Ours will be going in the opposite direction. When they'll cross going in different directions is unknown, but it will happen.
They want to keep Buzz on their terms. He is free to walk away if he doesn't like them. That is where we are at right now. I have no idea what their terms are.
http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml
EDIT: Woah...like deja vu all over again
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).
So we have a power struggle.
fracking Marquette.
What type of merchandise does SMU have? Hopefully something good.
So we have a power struggle.
fracking Marquette.
They want to keep Buzz on their terms. He is free to walk away if he doesn't like them. That is where we are at right now. I have no idea what their terms are.Well let's speculate...
That is exactly what is going on. If Buzz wants to jump to SMU, they are essentially telling him to feel free, but if you stay, here is what you need to do. I think Buzz's leverage may not have worked out as he would have liked.
That is exactly what is going on. If Buzz wants to jump to SMU, they are essentially telling him to feel free, but if you stay, here is what you need to do. I think Buzz's leverage may not have worked out as he would have liked.
If he goes, it was abso-figgin-lutely just a line. "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" <> bolting after 4 years.
Well let's speculate...
1. At least two non-seniors on the team don't return next year
2. No more JUCO's, even if they were valedictorian's of their high-schools
3. Good luck admitting anyone who can't get into the school of engineering.
Yeah we do. But I don't know why the blame would have to go to Marquette. We talk about the basketball program with pride about not only what it does on the court but off the court as well. The higher ups are concerned about the latter.
Well let's speculate...
1. At least two non-seniors on the team don't return next year
2. No more JUCO's, even if they were valedictorian's of their high-schools
3. Good luck admitting anyone who can't get into the school of engineering.
Yeah we do. But I don't know why the blame would have to go to Marquette. We talk about the basketball program with pride about not only what it does on the court but off the court as well. The higher ups are concerned about the latter.
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.
The terms are probably real simple....recruit ND or Northwestern type kids. If I were Buzz I could call their bluff big time....don't want me, can me!!! If they can him it would expose whatever they are pissed off about. My guess they are pissed off about the assault incident.
Well let's speculate...
1. At least two non-seniors on the team don't return next year
2. No more JUCO's, even if they were valedictorian's of their high-schools
3. Good luck admitting anyone who can't get into the school of engineering.
SultanThe risk is in the future incidents, if players on the team are apt to make mistakes in the future, I can see them getting Larry Williamsed.
Of course the program is both on and off the court. If last years or this years issues are major they should fire him. If not, which I believe, let the man do his job. If last years mess was so major they should have came clean then and fired the coach. If there was mutual coverup all parties are quilts as charged.
I highly doubt t he players in question would have played this year if school felt it was a risk. I believe this is running scared and doing so because they are worried it could happen again.
My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail
Not altogether unreasonable.
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013-14, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.
HAHAHAHAAHAHA....take a chill pill bro. Man this thread has gotten out of hand. Buzz still ain't goin' anywhere.
Those kids will NOT be going to SMU with him. Those guys don't even know what SMU is and when they figure out what their basketball program is, they'll decline.
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013-14, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.
I wish that were it, as I agree, it is not unreasonable. Can't though, imagine a standoff over that.
Problem with this is that you figure he's gone one way or the other. Maybe not this year, but I would imagine he's a goner when the next legit job opens.
Well, since SMU will be on our schedule after next season, I am pretty sure the players know about it. Would you leave to play for Buzz if the alternative was staying to play for a coach you never met?
The terms are probably real simple....recruit ND or Northwestern type kids. If I were Buzz I could call their bluff big time....don't want me, can me!!! If they can him it would expose whatever they are pissed off about. My guess they are pissed off about the assault incident.
My biggest problem on the whole mess is that damage has been done. Another example of bumbling around and poor PR by school. LW should be making some sort of statement, either pro Buzz or throw his ass out of town.
You guys realize that all of these posters with "sources" originally said Buzz was leaving, then yesterday he was staying, and now he is leaving again.
These "sources" seem to know as much as everyone else which is nothing.
My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail
Not altogether unreasonable.
Im pretty sure someone else had to have mixed those two before. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer adds cough syrup and lights up the coctail calls it the flaming homer, than he goes to Mo who renames it the Flaming Mo and markets the crap out of itArnie was no stranger to guerilla marketing - he established himself as a brand without Tiger's dominance and Nike support. I am therefore disappointed hewould have stolen the laurels that rightly belonged to another. Very disappointed, in fact.
Hold on, what does "ND/Northwestern type kids" mean? White guys?
We don't know anything about what MU is asking Buzz to do.
I like Buzz a lot, but it's not unreasonable for a University to ask the coach to keep the off the court issues to a minimum. That doesn't mean they are suddenly handcuffing him and making him recruit all white valedictorians.
Speaking of Dick's drive in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlarNcNFzLw
Hold on, what does "ND/Northwestern type kids" mean? White guys?It's not unreasonable, but do you actually think Buzz wants those things to happen? Policies will need to be put in place to minimize that risk going forward. Like it or not, GPA/ACT requirements would have an impact on recruiting grounds due to the quality of education kids are getting. Not necessarily racism, but in the ballpark.
We don't know anything about what MU is asking Buzz to do.
I like Buzz a lot, but it's not unreasonable for a University to ask the coach to keep the off the court issues to a minimum. That doesn't mean they are suddenly handcuffing him and making him recruit all white valedictorians.
For all the conspiracy theorists and fans of weird coincidences:Now THAT would get us to 500 pages easy.
Crean left on the Tuesday evening preceding the Final Four.
But didn't you see the way he raised his eyebrows after making the "The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker" comment? And how many times did he tap his fingers on the desk...he's trying to communicate without letting everyone know! There must be something there!
*Begins looking at google images of Buzz for hidden clues*
But can someone please make an educated guess as to WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD BE "THE TERMS" that MU would be proposing with which Buzz is allegedly struggling?
+1
restricting Buzz to " ND/Northwestern type kids" could be taken as a racist comment.
My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail
Not altogether unreasonable.
If he stays its because he really loves you guys....
Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs. When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues. Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs. Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus. Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here. I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved). I'm not arguing cause and effect. I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."
I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...
But:
1) If these terms are new to Buzz, why would Buzz have a problem with any of that (unless his entire character is a charade)
2) If Buzz is already doing this, why is the AD digging in their heels?
3) No one has been suspended for academic reasons, and everyone is apparently graduating (or making progress)... so if MU is voluntarily putting academic thresholds for athletes in place in response to nothing, it will be the first university in the country to do so.
It seems to me that Buzz already grasps the magnitude of the scrutiny of his players and the university, and he also seems like the guy who isn't going to simply let things slide. So none of this makes any sense at all. Either Buzz and the AD are being stupid, or we all are. My vote is the latter.
Final decisions haven't been made. Just stating what I am hearing. People who were nervous sunday and felt better monday are more nervous again. If you don't want me to post this stuff I won't. Not trying to get people riled up. Just stating what I am hearing.
I know more than you and have been pretty darn accurate
If I offered you what he is being offered you would give up your MU degree in a heartbeat...
So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.
Then you are far smarter than I am.
I honestly have no idea how it would play out. I like Buzz. Dude works hard. Dude is talented.
But, I still have no idea how the SMU/MU futures will work out. Far too many unknowns and variables for me to make a proclamation.
Can SMU really afford Buzz if he did go there?
They paid Doherty around $500,000 last year the "rumor" of $2.6 million.
Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs. When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues. Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs. Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus. Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here. I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved). I'm not arguing cause and effect. I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."
I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...
So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.
Pretty sure disallowing qualified JUCO's admittance is against federal law...maybe the DOE can add that to their investigation list of MU's administration?
First post...not buyin it.
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.
Marquette can admit JUCOs all they want. Doesn't mean the head coach is required to take JUCOs.
As far as the terms that are at issue, I have absolutely no problem with Pillarz and Williams telling Buzz he has to keep the conduct of the players clean (not trying to say their conduct hasn't or has been clean over the past 4 years, just saying from now on) and if they get into trouble, that they must be punished accordingly. If this is causing Buzz to consider leaving Marquette for SMU, then he should have to consider leaving any job. This is not a free for all. If Buzz has a problem with the people above him telling him "If kids end up in a police report for (whatever it may be), they must be punished" (again, not trying to say whether or not this has happened in the past, just future here), then I'm not sure he's the right guy to be coaching Marquette University.
Marquette can admit JUCOs all they want. Doesn't mean the head coach is required to take JUCOs.
As far as the terms that are at issue, I have absolutely no problem with Pillarz and Williams telling Buzz he has to keep the conduct of the players clean (not trying to say their conduct hasn't or has been clean over the past 4 years, just saying from now on) and if they get into trouble, that they must be punished accordingly. If this is causing Buzz to consider leaving Marquette for SMU, then he should have to consider leaving any job. This is not a free for all. If Buzz has a problem with the people above him telling him "If kids end up in a police report for (whatever it may be), they must be punished" (again, not trying to say whether or not this has happened in the past, just future here), then I'm not sure he's the right guy to be coaching Marquette University.
I think blinders must be taken off for that statement.Niv, my point was that the talent level he started with at Marquette would be a lot better than what is at SMU right now. He had 4 players who had started pretty much every game they had played at MU to that point, and many thought that Jerel and Wes had a shot at the NBA, and James had flirted with it after his freshman season. Butler came in and played 687 minutes that year.
At the time Buzz took over, if you polled 100 MU Scoopers, I'll bet the leading vote getter on the question of "How many NBA players are on this roster?" would be 1. Buzz is what made those guys NBA players. They were 3* recruits (Zar, JFB) at best. Solid college players, but nobody in honesty thought those guys were NBA caliber at the time. If you did, you are full of it.
Again, unless everything we know about Buzz is a charade, then there is no way the two sides would be add odds over an issue like this.
Doc would be nice replacement.
Ha. Nice try, to bad MUTV doesn't get that email. At least not from an official source! Go back to the UW or SMU board.
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.Again, as has been said by others, how is this an "issue"? Much less an issue that would rise to this level of stand-off between the two parties?
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.
Only way this goes down with Buzz leaving is if Doc is replacement.
I haven't chimed into this mess of a thread, but I would never want an NBA guy at Marquette, even Doc. Coaching college is way, way more work than coaching in the NBA, and I don't think NBA guys are willing to do that work.
I think we all are being nieve to the fact that Buzz is taking SMU serious:/Why? Why do you think that? Why does ANYONE think this? Apart from the threads here, I can't seem to find anything at all about him even teasing the idea. Everything is about SMU wanting him but nothing about him wanting to go there. Where did all of this stuff even come from at all?
I hate to say it but i think hes gone
But:
1) If these terms are new to Buzz, why would Buzz have a problem with any of that (unless his entire character is a charade)
2) If Buzz is already doing this, why is the AD digging in their heels?
3) No one has been suspended for academic reasons, and everyone is apparently graduating (or making progress)... so if MU is voluntarily putting academic thresholds for athletes in place in response to nothing, it will be the first university in the country to do so.
It seems to me that Buzz already grasps the magnitude of the scrutiny of his players and the university, and he also seems like the guy who isn't going to simply let things slide. So none of this makes any sense at all. Either Buzz and the AD are being stupid, or we all are. My vote is the latter.
I know a few facts:
Buzz Williams is under contract to coach the Marquette basketball team;
Marquette's basketball program is superior to SMU's in every regard;
Buzz is a celebrity who benefits from having his name in the news;
It would be disastrous to Larry Williams' career for Buzz to leave MU;
Marquette just signed a new, local recruit last week;
Major college basketball coaches rarely, if ever, take a "step down" by choice, regardless of money.
There are other things I "think" and other things I've "heard" today (some from some pretty decent sources, but far from Buzz, Williams, Pilarz, etc), but those are the facts I "know."
My educated conclusion is this: This is a power play. There was some tension this past fall, but not because Pilarz and Williams were "new" but because of the fallout from the scandal in the news last fall. The simple fact is the players at issue were under Buzz's supervision. Fair or not, heavy is the head that wears the crown. Buzz took some flak. Now he's "brushing back" and asserting some power. It would be very bad for many people at Marquette professionally if Buzz left. They won't let it happen.
Anyways, time and success heal all wounds. Everything is going to be fine. Everyone should relax.
Doc seems a little different for us though. Not just a random NBA coach but a guy familiar with the program an has 2 kids (one a ridiculous stud) that have been through top programs. He would be an easy sell for recruits. I'd rather Buzz stay but just responding to your "all NBA coaches would be bad for us" post. I agree 99% but I'd take Doc.
No... one of two.
Why? Why do you think that? Why does ANYONE think this? Apart from the threads here, I can't seem to find anything at all about him even teasing the idea. Everything is about SMU wanting him but nothing about him wanting to go there. Where did all of this stuff even come from at all?
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
You would be gone as well...the fact he is still considering means he really loves it up there...
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
I love that people are trying to figure out what LW and Pilarz demanded of Buzz when there isn't even any evidence that anything was asked of him.
I realize not hearing anything is tough but come on. People are just making up storylines now.
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
Why? Why do you think that? Why does ANYONE think this? Apart from the threads here, I can't seem to find anything at all about him even teasing the idea. Everything is about SMU wanting him but nothing about him wanting to go there. Where did all of this stuff even come from at all?
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
Perhaps in light of my source on the DePaul arena issue proving to be true, I can get some credibility regarding my post above. For those of you that are curious, I am what a cynical person would call a booster (in a good way) of the program and through the years have made a series of contacts.
Once again I fairly qualified my sources. No they are not Williams, Fr. Pilarz, Buzz, etc. But I have no reason to doubt them.
Again, take my insight for what its worth. This is some Big Boy stuff with a lot at stake. But there is too much on the line for too many careers and too much money at stake.
Things happen. Life goes on. So should we.
If this is all about money and you are correct, I would assume the Press Conference would be over by now. How did that go, I missed it?
When did this thread start? Roughly 4 days ago?
Buzz has had that many days to clear the air about this SMU "rumor"
Say a number or we will continue to assume you're making stuff up to bother us.
When did this thread start? Roughly 4 days ago?
Buzz has had that many days to clear the air about this SMU "rumor"
You can't match and you won't, but like you said its not all about the money....
Based on what MU has paid coaches in the past, staggering would need to be $4 million minimum.
Up that figure by about two million, that is what I heard
You clearly haven't been paying attention the past 36 or so hours...No, I have been. But I still don't recall seeing anything outside of these message boards alluding to any of this. Where is the original source of there being any turmoil at all? Everything I've seen is just hearsay and conjecture.
Doc would be a major hit as coach. This is strictly gut call but only way they could avoid a major PR hit would be bringing Doc. Know idea why he would do it but funnier things could happen. Hate to say it but it would put my anger to the back burner.
Kids love NBA guys and Doc has played with and coached the best. Would say this post is far fetched....but who would have thought MU would not want Buzz?
When did this thread start? Roughly 4 days ago?This is just a bunch of nerds on a message board. It isn't even a rumor. Have you seen anything on ESPN or anywhere other than this board that says Buzz is anything more than a SMU "candidate"? It's not like the national media is running a bunch of stories on this. There's literally nothing for him to clear the air on except for this massive thread on an internet site he doesn't read.
Buzz has had that many days to clear the air about this SMU "rumor"
You can't match and you won't, but like you said its not all about the money....
This is just a bunch of nerds on a message board. It isn't even a rumor. Have you seen anything on ESPN or anywhere other than this board that says Buzz is anything more than a SMU "candidate"? It's not like the national media is running a bunch of stories on this. There's literally nothing for him to clear the air on except for this massive thread on an internet site he doesn't read.
Up that figure by about two million, that is what I heardIf SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him. There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach. There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.
Exactly Goose. Easy recruiting and its not like he doesnt know how to coach basketball because he was in the NBA. And he's the ONLY NBA coach I would ever consider because he would have passion for MU.
First post in a while that made me feel a little more optimistic. Don't toy with me, Avenue Commons.
Maybe I missed it in the 35 pages or so since I last saw SMU17 or 18 post, but what happened to those guys? Was there a SMU19? I'm thinking they're all a bunch of brothers (like the Hanson Brothers from Slap Shot) sitting around playing with trucks and posting on Scoop.
wish Buzz could go to Pilarz and the board and say "take your pick, Larry the lame newby AD or me the basketball coaching prodigy"
If SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him. There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach. There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.
No, I have been. But I still don't recall seeing anything outside of these message boards alluding to any of this. Where is the original source of there being any turmoil at all? Everything I've seen is just hearsay and conjecture.
MU would have matched IU for Crean had they been given the chance.
You can't match and you won't, but like you said its not all about the money....
If SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him. There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach. There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.
They are prepared to make him the highest paid coach in Basketball.Like I said, if he accepts, I hope they're happy together.
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.
I'm not toying. Just sharing my thoughts and insights on the issue.
I fully admit that I might be wrong. But more than anything my optimism stems from the fact that there is just so much at stake: Reputations, careers, time investments, recruits, marketing, money and more money.
I find it hard to believe that after MU gave Buzz the chance it did and then committed to him last year that Buzz can't handle that he is expected to lead a team that stays out of trouble. It isn't too much to ask from the coach of a conservative Jesuit, Catholic university in the Midwest.
Also remember that Cottingham already fell on his sword. There is no need for more heads to roll now. If Buzz was going to be axed it would have happened when MU was unfortunately on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.
Let's all also remember that those at the top have a responsibility to the university as a whole. Not just to the basketball program and its coaches. I know I'm in the minority, but I think it is totally appropriate that MU and Buzz discuss in depth what is expected of him. If he wants to bristle at that its ok. It's what adults do. But sometimes (like when MU is on the cover of the Tribune for bad, bad reasons) tough conversations take place. And right now a tough conversation is taking place.
But it'll all be fine. And just like a fight with your wife, in the end you get it all out and your marriage is better off for it. Time for AC to get back to work.
I think it's hilarious that SMU fans are talking about how insane the money Buzz Williams would get. Buzz makes $2.6 million a year. The highest paid coach in the NCAA is Coach Cal at $4 million a year (that'll teach you not to cheat...). The 2nd highest paid is Coach Izzo at $3.5 million a year (along with Billy Donovan and maybe others). Is SMU really going to pay a coach with 5 years experience, whose best postseason is the Sweet 16, more than Izzo and Donovan, both guys with National Championships and Final Fours galore? I have my doubts about that.
But wait, they're just going to slip money under the table to the coach. That's what cheaters do to student-athletes, not to coaches. And slipping money under the table within the athletic program has worked out really well throughout SMU's history...
They are prepared to make him the highest paid coach in Basketball.who are you? An MU fan since 1972? Really? With these types of comments I'm wondering what you know.
I'm not toying. Just sharing my thoughts and insights on the issue.
I fully admit that I might be wrong. But more than anything my optimism stems from the fact that there is just so much at stake: Reputations, careers, time investments, recruits, marketing, money and more money.
I find it hard to believe that after MU gave Buzz the chance it did and then committed to him last year that Buzz can't handle that he is expected to lead a team that stays out of trouble. It isn't too much to ask from the coach of a conservative Jesuit, Catholic university in the Midwest.
Also remember that Cottingham already fell on his sword. There is no need for more heads to roll now. If Buzz was going to be axed it would have happened when MU was unfortunately on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.
Let's all also remember that those at the top have a responsibility to the university as a whole. Not just to the basketball program and its coaches. I know I'm in the minority, but I think it is totally appropriate that MU and Buzz discuss in depth what is expected of him. If he wants to bristle at that its ok. It's what adults do. But sometimes (like when MU is on the cover of the Tribune for bad, bad reasons) tough conversations take place. And right now a tough conversation is taking place.
But it'll all be fine. And just like a fight with your wife, in the end you get it all out and your marriage is better off for it. Time for AC to get back to work.
If SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him. There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach. There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.
Thanks for not giving MU the che chance, Tom. Add this to the list.See, you can appreciate Tom Crean for at least one thing that he did at MU.
Not so sure about the NBA coach thing... Not the best analogy, but Isiah Thomas. Doc ain't a crackpot, but Thomas didn't attract the kids.
More importantly, if SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M and he rejects them, what does that say about SMU? I don't think I would want to be touting the money thrown around and the fact others can't match it if they don't get him. Now, THAT would be embarrassing.
Man I love Buzz and think he's a great coach, but for $6 mil I think they could do better than Buzz.I don't think they could do better than Buzz. I think he's perfect for the job. But there's no way he or any other college basketball coach should be making $6M per year at this time.
If you offered Buzz $10M per year, which you wouldn't, we could pay him $20M per year, which we also wouldn't. If the powers that be at Marquette wanted to make Buzz the highest paid coach in college, they have the financial wherewithal to do that. If it became a ridiculous financial pissing contest, maybe you have more boosters, and maybe you have ones that can outspend ours, but no one is going to pay Buzz 8 figures, and if it really came down to it, we have boosters that could authorize paying Buzz that much if they so chose without batting an eye.
It's not about money at all. If that were all this was about, there's be an offer, a counter offer, and a decision. This all would have been done Sunday.
who are you? An MU fan since 1972? Really? With these types of comments I'm wondering what you know.
I don't think they could do better than Buzz. I think he's perfect for the job. But there's no way he or any other college basketball coach should be making $6M per year at this time.
who are you? An MU fan since 1972? Really? With these types of comments I'm wondering what you know.
I know more than you and have been pretty darn accurate
If I offered you what he is being offered you would give up your MU degree in a heartbeat...
SMU is either stupid or desperate if they are going to pay a college basketball coach $6 million.
he never said 1972. been a fan since page 72 of this thread.
That's the page that finally got me as well. I guess I need to change my name to MUMac72 ...
Quote from: LAZER on Today at 12:47:34 PMClose, but I don't think they could do better than Buzz just because they paid $6M. I think Buzz is perfect for the job and you're not going to do better.
Man I love Buzz and think he's a great coach, but for $6 mil I think they could do better than Buzz.
I think you two are saying the same thing. But then again, I may have gotten confused on page 65 ...
See this is the stuff that is dumb. Assuming Larry is stupid because he is new without hearing what the real convo is behind the scenes. That may be the conclusion in the end but give him a chance.
See, you can appreciate Tom Crean for at least one thing that he did at MU.
Thanks for not giving MU the chance, Tom. Add this to the list.
Up that figure by about two million, that is what I heard
I believe in giving credit where credit is due. However this turns out, this has got to be one of the most outstanding trolling efforts of all time. These SMU fans (or are they Badger fans?) have done an amazing job. Some day I'll be telling my children's children about the SMU troll of '12.
Again, as has been said by others, how is this an "issue"? Much less an issue that would rise to this level of stand-off between the two parties?
All I can think of is that the BOT is laying down some pretty draconian measures that Buzz thinks are far too severe.
I believe in giving credit where credit is due. However this turns out, this has got to be one of the most outstanding trolling efforts of all time. These SMU fans (or are they Badger fans?) have done an amazing job. Some day I'll be telling my children's children about the SMU troll of '12.
Do you know what the divorce rate is these days?
Thanks for the rationale, Chicos!
Talk is cheap. Provide verifiable details or no one will take you seriously.I'm not sure who on this board is taking him (them) seriously as it is.
its amazing how little you know...
So you are saying the BOT has squirmy feelings?I am not in a position to know what feelings any of the involved parties have. From what Buzz has preached since he's been here, he's either one of the great con men of all time or the administration must be proposing some awfully harsh penalties for further disciplinary problems.
I think it's hilarious that SMU fans are talking about how insane the money Buzz Williams would get. Buzz makes $2.6 million a year. The highest paid coach in the NCAA is Coach Cal at $4 million a year (that'll teach you not to cheat...). The 2nd highest paid is Coach Izzo at $3.5 million a year (along with Billy Donovan and maybe others). Is SMU really going to pay a coach with 5 years experience, whose best postseason is the Sweet 16, more than Izzo and Donovan, both guys with National Championships and Final Fours galore? I have my doubts about that.
But wait, they're just going to slip money under the table to the coach. That's what cheaters do to student-athletes, not to coaches. And slipping money under the table within the athletic program has worked out really well throughout SMU's history...
A point were noting is that SMU has loads of super-rich alum (though perhaps that was noted up in Page 34). They don't care about the money, they care about winning. Remember, still the only school to have been given the death penalty? Worthy accolades...
If they afford $6M a year at a crap lower tier basketball team with no base, so be it. If that's what Buzz wants, so be it. My guess is that he's more interested in what he has at Marquette, but total speculation.
It's a lot lower than most people think. Just like the transfer rate is a lot higher than people think.
Marquette can admit JUCOs all they want. Doesn't mean the head coach is required to take JUCOs.
Whether you think he's Chicos or not, I find it hard to disagree with anything in that post.
Except that there is no reason to post it, (I am pretty sure most people understand that), other than to rile up other posters just like his buddy was so exceptional at doing.
Except that there is no reason to post it, (I am pretty sure most people understand that), other than to rile up other posters just like his buddy was so exceptional at doing.
MUMac72, thank you very much
Thinking back on it, that line is brilliant! No matter when or where he leaves, he's already set it up so that it was because "they" won't have him anymore. It's gold, Jerry! Gold!
As opposed to all the other posts in this thread that were added for perfectly good reason?
Thanks for the rationale, Chicos!
Except that there is no reason to post it, (I am pretty sure most people understand that), other than to rile up other posters just like his buddy was so exceptional at doing.
awesome, lets add a crean, chicos/hoopaloop discussion to this thread, why not we have just about everything else.
It is clear that most people don't understand it if 4 years later they are still bringing it up. It couldn't be any more clear.
Totally agree. The SMU trolls have been top notch.
It wasn't about money. We couldn't match the opportunity, the history, the tradition, the state school beloved by many in the state, the fertile recruiting grounds, the conference stability, the blueboodness of the program. Matching money and term length is only one part.
It's Indiana, It's Indiana > It's Marquette. I know people don't like to hear that, but this is fact. At some point people here will accept this. Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana, Kansas, Duke matching money isn't going to get it done.
As opposed to all the other posts in this thread that were added for perfectly good reason?
That's Chicos for sure. He went to Indiana for grad school and is a big IU supporter.
I know nothing, just speculating as no one in their right mind would go to SMU right now for at least double their salary and lot's of promises. If they want Buzz, they will have to pony up unheard of dollars.
That is the plan. If we get Williams, it is NOT JUST ABOUT BASKETBALL. For almost 20 years, SMU has been investing in improving the academics, the facilities, and student life on campus. All the old buildings were renovated and new buildings were built.The state of Texas is laughing.
We started with FB. We overpaid to hire a coach who had coached his team to the Sugar Bowl. 5 years later, we managed to get out from under our CUSA/MWC fate. Next up is our BB program. If we get Williams, it will cost a fortune but it is part of the overall plan for the school.
In 10 years, SMU wants to be more like Vandy, Wake Forrest, Northwestern and BC, To do that, we need to offer BCS level programs in FB and BB.
I was just about to post something about you using Henry Sugar's avatar of Rob Lowe/Drew Peterson....but you ARE Henry Sugar! What's the deal with that?
And where, exactly, have these super-rich alum been the past three decades?
Did they just recently decide they care about winning?
Or did they recently learn that they're super rich?
Bluebloodness? Really? I used to help a friend of mine from the engineering school with his English papers. Who wrote yours?
Bigfoot just walked through my parking lot.
And where, exactly, have these super-rich alum been the past three decades?
Did they just recently decide they care about winning?
Or did they recently learn that they're super rich?
Have fun reading this exercise in futility.
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60597
That is the plan. If we get Williams, it is NOT JUST ABOUT BASKETBALL. For almost 20 years, SMU has been investing in improving the academics, the facilities, and student life on campus. All the old buildings were renovated and new buildings were built.
We started with FB. We overpaid to hire a coach who had coached his team to the Sugar Bowl. 5 years later, we managed to get out from under our CUSA/MWC fate. Next up is our BB program. If we get Williams, it will cost a fortune but it is part of the overall plan for the school.
In 10 years, SMU wants to be more like Vandy, Wake Forrest, Northwestern and BC, To do that, we need to offer BCS level programs in FB and BB.
I have to admit, I never expected the statement, We want to be more like Northwestern, to ever be posted on a basketball message board.
My guess is a little of all three. It's not known as a bball school. Trying to reclimb the football ladder (not that June Jones or whoever is the coach there is one to do it) and stop the 'death penalty' stigma.
Personally, I think this whole thing is stupid for a multitude of reasons.
You saw the Samsquanch?????????????????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5e8NUrkys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5e8NUrkys)
Because MU is not a football school, it is hard for your alums to understand that SMU cannot allow itself to fall out of the BCS level again. While we are excited about joining the Big East and are looking forward to joining with our new partners (who are a great bunch of schools), we all understand that it might not work long term.
If the Big East breaks up, SMU wants to be able to offer other conferences three things: 1) the Dallas/FW TV market, 2) a viable FB program, and 3) a viable basketball . Without the last two, we cannot offer the first. If we cannot offer the first, it is off to CUSA/MWC/WAC again and we didn't like that very much.
Because MU is not a football school, it is hard for your alums to understand that SMU cannot allow itself to fall out of the BCS level again. While we are excited about joining the Big East and are looking forward to joining with our new partners (who are a great bunch of schools), we all understand that it might not work long term.We understand it. No need to have college football to understand why you would want to be in one of the top conferences. And I truly hope you succeed. All this craziness notwithstanding, having a strong SMU doesn't hurt MU in any way and can only improve the standing of the Big East.
If the Big East breaks up, SMU wants to be able to offer other conferences three things: 1) the Dallas/FW TV market, 2) a viable FB program, and 3) a viable basketball . Without the last two, we cannot offer the first. If we cannot offer the first, it is off to CUSA/MWC/WAC again and we didn't like that very much.
English was never my strong point. I wrote my own. I probably should have put "bluebloodness" in quotes as it is a made up word.
The point remains, matching money doesn't matter. MU is not IU. MU is not UK. MU is not KU. MU is not UCLA. MU is not Duke. MU is not UNC. For Kevin O'Neill MU was not Tennessee. For Rick Majerus, MU was not the asst coaching job for the Milwaukee Bucks.
For Buzz Williams, MU > UNO but maybe not > SMU. If Buzz leaves, it is on Buzz and no one else. He has a great thing going on at Marquette. MU took a lot of $hit giving Buzz the head coaching position. MU stuck their necks out for this guy. He has quit one job already. Is he going to quit another in less than five years?
BBall is irrelevant to redistricting. Kansas has no bargaining power in redistricting so basketball is meaningless for that scene.You can't be so bad in basketball that the conference reconsiders adding your football. I think that's what he is saying.
I was referring to the post about SMU trying to be like Northwestern and Vanderbilt.
SMU20 who are you? Even your own message board doesn't necessarily like you.How do they feel about SMU17 and SMU18?
OK. MU sucks, but Buzz Williams should kiss the feet of the MU administrators for hiring him. The AD, President and BOT are wonderful and any disagreements are all Buzz's fault. And Buzz is a quitter. But you're a big fan of his. Right.
Bet SMU14-25 are a lot like Bubbles.
If I got a pet, I'd call it Steve French.
See what you started.
BBall is irrelevant to redistricting. Kansas has no bargaining power in redistricting so basketball is meaningless for that scene.
While Kansas would probably have landed in a BCS level conference somewhere, Iowa State, K-State and Tech were terrified that OSU/OU/UT were going to bolt for the Pac 12 or SEC. If that had happend, all three could have been up ship creek. With horrible TV markets, the other conferences were not lining up to add them to their TV package.
Frankly, we understand that we were lucky to get into the BE for football. In return for our FB program, we promised to step up our BB program and we plan to keep our promise.
Frankly, we understand that we were lucky to get into the BE for football. In return for our FB program, we promised to step up our BB program and we plan to keep our promise.
I want to know who is floating the academics are an issue rumor? I know for a fact the NCAA was in auditing MU's student athlete academic policy and support programs and they were recommended as a model for our universities. So how is Buzz monkeying with academics?I think this is all a self fulling prophecy. It was a nonissue until either Buzz or LW read starting reading this thread (they obviously couldn't have read all of it AND had time to have any heated discussions).
If there is any truth to the friction I'm starting to really think this is the BOT and LW overreacting to the combination of off court issues, feeling Buzz is getting too big, and the issues popping up at UConn and Syracuse. To me once again the BOT moves the wrong amount and in the wrong direction.
Just adding some rampant speculation to this otherwise sane thread
The other question is how sustainable is this thread? I would think if Buzz is going they'd announce today otherwise how long could this thread possibly go? If Buzz stays do they say anything, are we watching for white smoke or something??some airlines let you pay for wifi now. Obviously you'll have to pony up.
I'm both grateful and terrified that I'm flying out to Seattle tomorrow morning. Grateful because I won't have to refresh my browser every 5 minutes for the 6 hours I'll be traveling, but terrified that something bad will drop while I'm airborne.....and you never want something bad dropping while flying. :o
some airlines let you pay for wifi now. Obviously you'll have to pony up.
some airlines let you pay for wifi now. Obviously you'll have to pony up.
pun intended i presumeI almost added "(pun intended?)" to the end of the post. Typed it and deleted it in fact. ;D
Less than 500 posts to go until we pass the baseball pissing match and make this ridiculous thing the longest thread in MUScoop history!
Why wouldn't Buzz use Illinois as leverage vs SMU, too close to home and could impact recruiting?
some airlines let you pay for wifi now. Obviously you'll have to pony up.
~500 posts away from top posted thread; not even a top 10 viewed thread yet.Actually the ratio of posts to views for this thread has been pretty amazing.
Damn you Starr Jones and D-Wade rumors.
Because Illinois wouldn't have the same leverage. It sounds like MU is ok with Buzz leaving, and they can explain away Illinois as a better job(its not but they could rationalize it). With SMU nobody can spin that for a sustained amount of time and have it believable. So the leverage with SMU is it would be wildly embarassing to MU whereas Illinois not so much.
Yeah I know, but I'd end up putting it on the corporate card and then doing very little corporate work :)I'm being paid for being at work today and doing very little work. ;D
Yeah I know, but I'd end up putting it on the corporate card and then doing very little corporate work :)
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.
I ask this honestly, but why is it embarrassing to us? Our coach leaves for a huge payday at a terrible basketball school, which happens to be close to home. If you want to bring up issues within the BOT and AD, fine, but I still fail to understand how Marquette ends up looking silly.
If he leaves, he leaves. Nuff said, let's find a new coach.
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.
Coach K isnt even worth 6 MIL! lol
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.I think the $6M number was completely unsubstantiated. Someone threw it out there without intending it to be taken as factual and a few people (myself included) misunderstood and posted about it. Then it magically became true.
I think the $6M number was completely unsubstantiated. Someone threw it out there without intending it to be taken as factual and a few people (myself included) misunderstood and posted about it. Then it magically became true.
77 pages on this? Really?
+1,000,000
This is like train wreck tv. Buzz will be the coach @ MU next year. Let's end the madness.
MU just sent this out:
Marquette Athletics@muathleticsReply
Join Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season! All are invited. http://ow.ly/9UHxg #mubb
and added this to the web page:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html
maybe a good indication?
I'm being paid for being at work today and doing very little work. ;D
MU just sent this out:
Marquette Athletics@muathleticsReply
Join Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season! All are invited. http://ow.ly/9UHxg #mubb
and added this to the web page:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html
maybe a good indication?
We can not end this thread until it reaches record status. How dare you say anything other than that
I think the $6M number was completely unsubstantiated. Someone threw it out there without intending it to be taken as factual and a few people (myself included) misunderstood and posted about it. Then it magically became true.
MU just sent this out:
Marquette Athletics@muathleticsReply
Join Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season! All are invited. http://ow.ly/9UHxg #mubb
That's so 100 pages ago.
and added this to the web page:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html
maybe a good indication?
Its embarrassing because the media will dig. We saw it like 653 pages ago that someone posted that Seth Davis tweeted he'd be shocked if Buzz left for SMU. If Buzz leaves, people like Seth are going to dig and the BOT, AD, and Prez won't be able to control everything that comes out and if they pushed out a coach that got to back to back sweet 16s and on the surface said all the right things they are going to lose that PR fight. And lets face it, when its comes to PR and handling delicate situations the BOT is about as handy as a one legged man in ass kicking contest.
I'm not saying this is a great strategy for Buzz, but if he's truly unhappy with the admins this is his only play.
Is Buzz gonna fly back from Dallas for this?
I'll bet the rich SMU alums will lend him their plane.
Real quick note unrelated from the coach thing: someone here cut and pasted from the rivals site and posted it here. It's a pay site and those dudes work hard for that info. Not cool.
OK. I brought up something (3 pages, but 5 minutes ago) regarding BigEast regulations/bylaws on coaches leaving for other conference schools - in the same way that players cannot transfer between schools (which may be a gentleman's agreement for all I know).
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Curious if this is even something that is possibly under the guidelines.
This is the third time someone's posted the same marketing email :P
For what it's worth, Seth Davis tweeted, minutes ago, that he would be shocked if Buzz left. It's his job to know this stuff, and I think he knows more than anyone on this board about it.
Since we aren't in the Big East yet, I don't think any provision like that would apply.
It wasn't directly copy and pasted. Giving a summary is fair use.
Good luck suing some anonymous user on the internet for not-exactly copying 6 sentences from a forum of information :P
Actually I don't think he does.
It wasn't directly copy and pasted. Giving a summary is fair use.
Good luck suing some anonymous user on the internet for not-exactly copying 6 sentences from a forum of information :P
Actually I don't think he does.
Only SMU18 and Buzz really know what's going on.
Since we aren't in the Big East yet, I don't think any provision like that would apply.
It wasn't directly copy and pasted. Giving a summary is fair use.
Good luck suing some anonymous user on the internet for not-exactly copying 6 sentences from a forum of information :P
Don't know what this has to do with my post you quoted, but assuming Buzz is not just full of BS (and I don't think he is, but if he's flirting with other jobs over ___ then who knows) they cannot do better than Buzz in this regard.
Do the BOT & AD really think they can bring in a coach who is more concerned about the kids he brings in and molding them into men than Buzz? Maybe they've put out feelers to the Pope.
You are not anonymous Sally. :D
Since we aren't in the Big East yet, I don't think any provision like that would apply.
So.....
Taco Bell now has the Nacho Dorito Taco shells am I correct?
See what i did there, as much substance as everything else in here, the only difference is mine is true.
So.....
Taco Bell now has the Nacho Dorito Taco shells am I correct?
See what i did there, as much substance as everything else in here, the only difference is mine is true.
Duh, Matt Christiano drove 965 miles just to get them!
You are correct, but I was not a fan. Cheese dust gets everywhere and something is off about the flavor.
So.....
Taco Bell now has the Nacho Dorito Taco shells am I correct?
See what i did there, as much substance as everything else in here, the only difference is mine is true.
This may be a time to point out or remind people that Buzz has no agent coordinating all this.
I wish that kid crashed his car. I hate that commercial.
Skatastrophy is a chick?
So MU will have two admittance policies around JUCO's? If you are a JUCO applying to the College of Communications and you qualify academically but DON"T play basketball, you are in. If you are the same but PLAY basketball, you are out. I want a piece of that lawsuit settlement action.
Only SMU18 and Buzz really know what's going on.
Don't know what this has to do with my post you quoted, but assuming Buzz is not just full of BS (and I don't think he is, but if he's flirting with other jobs over ___ then who knows) they cannot do better than Buzz in this regard.
Huh? Never said that. If JUCOs want to come to Marquette that's great. Marquette won't deny their admission because they went to a JUCO. That doesn't mean Buzz is forced to recruit JUCOs. Pillarz and Williams could tell Buzz they only want him recruiting 4 year high school players. If JUCOs want to apply for admission at Marquette and pay their own way, great.
Should people start throwing around lawsuits to any and all Division 1 sports programs that do not have JUCOs on their rosters? These coaches can recruit whoever they want to. If they choose not to recruit JUCOs for whatever reason, then they don't recruit JUCOs. File lawsuits for that? Good luck.
Seriously where are you getting this? No one has told Buzz not to recruit JUCOs.
I have a family at home and a business to run at work. And I can't stop reading this thread.
It really is like a car wreck on the side of the road. I can't look away even though I know this is much ado about nothing.
The whole thing with SMU is the classic butterfly that flapped its wings in Indonesia and caused a ripple that led to an epic thread on MUScoop.com.
Seriously where are you getting this? No one has told Buzz not to recruit JUCOs.
It wassuggestedcompletely made up by posters that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.
It was suggested that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.
It was suggested that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.
Just taking a mid day break and popping in on the board.
Looks like nothing is new. Correct?
It was suggested that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.
I'm not saying they did. Somebody else brought it up 10-15 pages ago and somebody said there would be lawsuits if Buzz was told not to recruit JUCOs.
For the record, I have absolutely no problem with JUCOs and have loved literally every single one Buzz has brought in. I hope he continues to get the top JUCOs in the country. They have been invaluable to the program. But to think that there would be lawsuits filed if Pillarz and Williams told Buzz he can't bring anymore in is flat out wrong. Buzz can recruit whoever he wants whenever he wants to, and if his bosses tell him to stop recruiting JUCOs or he is gone, he will be done recruiting JUCOs, no lawsuits or anything. Otherwise, could I file a lawsuit against Pillarz and LW for having no white players on scholarship next year? I mean, he must have been told not to recruit white players if that's the case, right? So we are denying admission to somebody based on their race. Let's file a lawsuit. (For those who can't pick up on the sarcasm...)
Howie saying everything we all already know, in a more composed way.
http://www.insidemilwaukee.com/Article/3272012-BuzzMarquetteandtheFuture
I think I said that in speculation about 15 pages ago, pretty sure I was clear I was speculating what could be going on for the sake of keeping the thread alive.
It's not. Buzz has moved away from JUCOs because he has said from the beginning it was preferable to fill the roster with four year players, but had to do it to fill holes. TJ Taylor is literally a JUCO, but he is much more like a transfer since he started at Oklahoma.
I am going to write this one email and that is it.
1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
I am going to write this one email and that is it.
1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
A healthy dinner?
There are no healthy dinners in Milwaukee. Junior's already at SMU!
I am going to write this one email and that is it.
1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
I am going to write this one email and that is it.
1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
OH
MY
GOD....
This is the single most smartest thing anyone has said in 80 pages.
New the to blog - why is BigDaddy a reliable source? I want to believe every word of that post, just want to know why it should be given credibility. Thanks.
Just taking a mid day break and popping in on the board.
Looks like nothing is new. Correct?
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
Except that we now know that Skat's name is really Sally.
PM me for pics of my lady-parts.
I think I said that in speculation about 15 pages ago, pretty sure I was clear I was speculating what could be going on for the sake of keeping the thread alive.
However, you are very definitive in your answer... care to elaborate what some of the stipulations are?
I am going to write this one email and that is it.Thank you Big Daddy. This is the best news and the best post I've read in more than two days. You were right about DG and I'm going with you being right here too. Doesn't mean I'll be able to avoid this train wreck of a thread though.....
1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
PM me for pics of my lady-parts.
New the to blog - why is BigDaddy a reliable source? I want to believe every word of that post, just want to know why it should be given credibility. Thanks.
Who wants to play for a school that has a motto to 'Pony up!' Sounds like what an old man says to a little kid at the circus.
Guys,
A friend of mine (BIG donor), just spotted "Trend" Blackledge walking around Grand Ave Mall with a Cowboy hat on.
Reminder, this guy is a BIG donor.
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN???
Who the hell was bashing JUCOs? What is this 1250 WSSP and Wisky simpletons who can't understand the important role junior college play in athletics?
That honestly pisses me off, my dad went to JUCO on a basketball scholarship. He had work and save up all two years just so he could then pay to get KState and graduate with a 4-year degree. No help from the family, JUCO was what got my father a degree.
All of the schools say that to their season ticket holders...
The problem with JUCOs is that the opponents criticize them because they're closet racists.
Not just opponents.....
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
Well, not to burst anyone's bubble, but if Buzz didn't change his standards, does that mean Fr. P, LW, BOT did? Why all the super secret sources saying Buzz had to decide what he was going to do?
I am going to write this one email and that is it.
1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
I am going to write this one email and that is it.
1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong. Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU.... That makes alot of sense.
My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
Every time I think "this the last post I read" this happens and literally LOL and spend another 15 minutes reading useless information! Keep it up fellas!
Who the hell was bashing JUCOs? What is this 1250 WSSP and Wisky simpletons who can't understand the important role junior college play in athletics?
That honestly pisses me off, my dad went to JUCO on a basketball scholarship. He had work and save up all two years just so he could pay to get to KState and graduate with a 4-year degree. No help from the family, JUCO was what got my father a degree.
Based on Bigdaddy's post, I have to say that I hope all of this is about nothing and that all of the freaking out about Buzz talking to SMU was because he was Tony B's reference and they wanted to follow up on him.
Tell me how this corresponds with IWBs tweets? Everyone knows that IWB is close to Buzz. IWB is saying that Buzz has decisions to make? If it isn't about this, what is it about? Where to go for dinner tonight???
Touche.
As for BigDaddy's post, not that I am calling him a liar, but just because it is what we all want to hear does not mean it is necessarily what is happening. Patience, patience, patience.
Actually BigDaddy has the most credibility on this entire board in my book. Every other post he has made has been dead on 100% accurate and has acknowledged werking for the program. Myself and other had suggested to him that it is good for no one especially himself if he wants to continue in the business to post on here. He will get found out and fired.
Based on Bigdaddy's post, I have to say that I hope all of this is about nothing and that all of the freaking out about Buzz talking to SMU was because he was Tony B's reference and they wanted to follow up on him.
Tell me how this corresponds with IWBs tweets? Everyone knows that IWB is close to Buzz. IWB is saying that Buzz has decisions to make? If it isn't about this, what is it about? Where to go for dinner tonight???
Notice how once BigDaddy posted we haven't heard from the trolls, thanks BigDaddy they needed to leave
Just wait, SMU28 is logging on to kick your ass for saying that!
Based on the posting activity in the past 3 hours, we should hit 100 pages right around 9:00 tonight.
OK. MU sucks, but Buzz Williams should kiss the feet of the MU administrators for hiring him. The AD, President and BOT are wonderful and any disagreements are all Buzz's fault. And Buzz is a quitter. But you're a big fan of his. Right.
Iwb was one of Creans bitches... Close to Buzz ? I havent seen it IWB is self serving and a non MU grad. No trust there for me .... His tweet only further convinced me of that.
Notice how once BigDaddy posted we haven't heard from the trolls, thanks BigDaddy they needed to leave
I wonder what youngphilly thinks about all this?
long and deep in that area.
I agree completely with big daddy that Buzz is not leaving. Think he is not correct on entire post, but agree completely that Buzz is staying.
As the author puts it, it's all about loyalty and trust for Buzz. He didn't get it at New Orleans and he left, even though some warned him it was professional suicide. He had it at MU. Not so much anymore, and unless Pilarz and L Williams can undo some of that damage he won't worry about taking a step back (SMU) again. It will be hard to leave his players, but if the powers that be force his hand...I worry.
Who the hell was bashing JUCOs? What is this 1250 WSSP and Wisky simpletons who can't understand the important role junior college play in athletics?
That honestly pisses me off, my dad went to JUCO on a basketball scholarship. He had work and save up all two years just so he could pay to get to KState and graduate with a 4-year degree. No help from the family, JUCO was what got my father a degree.
News people outside the MUScoop Global HQ
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!
I need another Depends. I just crapped myself.
We're gonna have quite the laugh or cry when this thread turns up in somebody's psych dissertation.
I am going to write this one email and that is it.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
Means we will be featured on CBS News at Ten again.
Bump.
Post of the year.I'm just wondering why it took him 2 minutes to bump the thread
I brought up JUCOs, and I wasn't bashing them. I simply wondered if the Administration was making an issue about it since there was rumored to be issues between Buzz and the Administration. I was speculating/guessing/making crap up what they could be disagreeing about and that came to mind as something because I think Buzz would be very loyal to his JUCOs.
As the person who brought it up (and actually expected it to piss some people off that I even mentioned it) I don't think the JUCOs have been a problem. I said many pages ago that I think Jimmy is one of the greatest kids to ever wear the Marquette uniform. And Jae is one of my all-time favorite Warriors.
Wondering out loud whether the issue between Buzz and the Administration might be related to recruiting JUCOs is not the same as bashing JUCOs.
I brought up JUCOs, and I wasn't bashing them. I simply wondered if the Administration was making an issue about it since there was rumored to be issues between Buzz and the Administration. I was speculating/guessing/making crap up what they could be disagreeing about and that came to mind as something because I think Buzz would be very loyal to his JUCOs.
As the person who brought it up (and actually expected it to piss some people off that I even mentioned it) I don't think the JUCOs have been a problem. I said many pages ago that I think Jimmy is one of the greatest kids to ever wear the Marquette uniform. And Jae is one of my all-time favorite Warriors.
Wondering out loud whether the issue between Buzz and the Administration might be related to recruiting JUCOs is not the same as bashing JUCOs.
Is Tom Enlund even remotely aware that SMU rumors exist? With most of them being transmitted via the Internet and social media he is still waiting for some flunky to drop a news bulletin on his desk or for something to hit the wires.
After reading nearly every post of this 82-paged thread, and experiencing every emotion a human is capable of emoting, this is all I remember. Thank you, Canadian Dimes.
We're gonna have quite the laugh or cry when this thread turns up in somebody's psych dissertation.
I hope BD isn't right.
Track record speaks for itself. What is the percentage of all of those bullet points?
W the frack? You want Buzz to leave?He's an idiot.
Is Tom Enlund even remotely aware that SMU rumors exist? With most of them being transmitted via the Internet and social media he is still waiting for some flunky to drop a news bulletin on his desk or for something to hit the wires.
Better keep bumping this thread, the "DePaul Purchases Riverfront Property" thread is going to catch up soon. It's only 78 pages behind, it could go on a run here and catch up.
If you click on his profile you can see his last posts. His last 150 posts he used one of those happy faces things 5 times in 150 posts. Feel free to go beyond 150 if you desire. I think you can display 25 per page so it is very easy to see. That sure defines all the time. 3.33% of the time. Makes you wonder how many other sensational stories are out there. :o (I put that one in there for good humor, so as not to ruin your fun)
Buzz to depaul?
And the author or you or anyone else here knows what Pilarz and Williams are doing? This massive injustice and limitations they are putting on Buzz to be able to keep his program going is what exactly? They are paying him $2.6 million, has the second largest recruiting budget in the conference, the second largest basketball budget in the United States of America. Exactly what are these two Marquette Basketball Haters doing to prevent Buzz from being successful?
Can we have some tangible answers and not a bunch of innuendo? They are squeezing his balls? How? By saying you better be a bit more careful in the type of kids you recruit? Is this a bad thing? Buzz is the head of the basketball program which is PART OF MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY. The basketball program is not a stand alone unit with no one to answer to. They are not the Milwaukee Mustangs or the Milwaukee Wave. They are part of Marquette University. Buzz is an outstanding coach and Marquette basketball is an outstanding program that has been outstanding for many decades. I doubt very seriously anything that Williams or Pilarz are asking for is going to tank the program or even send it backward. A good coach will recruit good players and produce good results. Some of you here make it sound like MU can only win with certain kinds of players that Buzz is supposedly now being denied access to (all of this pure speculation with no real attribution). Why? MU has won with misfits, with kids from the burbs, kids from the mean streets, and everything in between.
Not only will DePaul py him $6million, they'll name the new arena after him.
Better keep bumping this thread, the "DePaul Purchases Riverfront Property" thread is going to catch up soon. It's only 78 pages behind, it could go on a run here and catch up.
Well that solves it. Hoopaloop is the "independent" auditor that Chicos found to analyze his posts. It brings everything full circle. I'm sure he just referenced data from that past audit, or it is that time of year again.
As of this writing this thread as 2094 replies.
It is second place all-time. The baseball pissing match is first with 2402 replies.
Can we exceed that before dawn?
Avenue.....completely agree on Chico's.
PM me for pics of my lady-parts.
The worst thing for this thread would be actual news.
I still can't believe you're a broad.
Must be a "chicks with dicks" model.
I heard they're changing the the university's name to Buzz U.
with the amount of nonsense in this thread i dont see why not
If Lawrence Williams can't keep our winning basketball coach happy and on board, what chance do we have at starting up a football team?
There, that should be worth about 5 additional pages...
I think half of the registered users would just wander around aimlessly; unsure of what to do or where to go without this thread to keep them sane.This thread has probably made more posters insane than it has kept sane.
I heard that Buzz wants to change the nickname back to WARRIORS and that the administration refuses to budge! They claim everyone wants to be the GOLDEN EAGLES!
That should be enough to get this past the baseball thread. Might be enough to get the Internet the explode.
Buzz has the power it this mess and time to flex muscles. The "man" is on his heels and cannot afford the PR mess. it is time for the troops to start crying in their beers and say "Give 'em hell Buzz"The "man" is Marquette University, which I am fonder of than I am of Buzz. I would think most here are the same way. This is a weird post.
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.
Phew!
I think half of the registered users would just wander around aimlessly; unsure of what to do or where to go without this thread to keep them sane.
This thread is keeping people sane?
Skat, I'm hoping I'm not the only non-male on here.
Buzz has the power it this mess and time to flex muscles. The "man" is on his heels and cannot afford the PR mess. it is time for the troops to start crying in their beers and say "Give 'em hell Buzz"Seriously, if Buzz leaves are you going with him to start rooting for School X? Why would we want anyone giving anyone hell at this point?
Students lobbying for Buzz on IWB's website:
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?291-An-open-letter-from-Marquette-students-to-Marquette-students
you aren't....... ;D
What we really need are some of Marquette's famous alums to chip in to keep Buzz around. Who would you say would be the most famous one to do that?
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.
Phew!
Women's intuition?
1. I wasn't joking.
2. I still haven't received any requests for pics of my naughty bits.
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.
Phew!
If we can't handle a situation with one of the nation's top young coaches, we are going to have a lot of trouble when the Big East actually starts crumbling hard.
hooray for tourney wins, bar fights, assaults and the annual diva coaching tantrum. good triumphs again!
Ah, so there's at least three of us.
Women taking over MUScoop, bwah-hah-hah....
On vacation since the game.......was there ever a point to this thread that I should go back and read (started reading on page 84)?Pages 70-74 were my favorite so far, but you definitely won't get any more information about the coaching situation if that's what you're looking for.
2. I still haven't received any requests for pics of my naughty bits.
Time to drive home from work. I look forward to 4 pages of nonsense to read when I get home.
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.Source?
Phew!
Reminds me of:
I think I need a cigarette.
I think I need a cigarette.
Just had one and it didn't help. I'm gonna try a glass of Pappy Van Winkle 20yr in a sec to see if that helps.
Just had one and it didn't help. I'm gonna try a glass of Pappy Van Winkle 20yr in a sec to see if that helps.
Pages 70-74 were my favorite so far, but you definitely won't get any more information about the coaching situation if that's what you're looking for.
Hope nobody gave up Scoop for Lent. They'd be the real loser in this situation.
Well that solves it. Hoopaloop is the "independent" auditor that Chicos found to analyze his posts. It brings everything full circle. I'm sure he just referenced data from that past audit, or it is that time of year again.
I'm thinking sinking my teeth into a big piece of meat might help!
5 Guys Burgers anyone? 8-)
Source?
Can you imagine giving up Scoop for Lent and then coming back on here afterwards to find this thread?
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.
first MU hires Larry Williams, then you admit to being a Golden Domer as well??
p.s. - Five Guys fries are the worst... why would I get a burger from a place with crapty fries
The one thing that this whole incident has reaffirmed for me?
Marquette can be an odd place where strange decisions are made. Sometimes I think this is what you get when you put celibate men in charge of something, but even that doesn't hold water. I mean, would Georgetown ever do this sort of thing?
This entire thing should have been handled much better.
Completely agreed, but I'm not sure this is limited to Marquette. I think it is a general college athletics thing. See Michigan's last two searches for FB coaches. See current Illinois BB cluster. See Pac-10 and SEC expansion and concurrent Big 12 disintegration. There's more of course.
I could easily argue all of these situations should have been handled better. While none of these examples are analogous to what's going at Marquette now, college athletics is full of seemingly intelligent people who make decisions that don't make sense. So there ya go.
That is exactly what is going on. If Buzz wants to jump to SMU, they are essentially telling him to feel free, but if you stay, here is what you need to do. I think Buzz's leverage may not have worked out as he would have liked.
first MU hires Larry Williams, then you admit to being a Golden Domer as well??
p.s. - Five Guys fries are the worst... why would I get a burger from a place with crapty fries
The terms are probably real simple....recruit ND or Northwestern type kids. If I were Buzz I could call their bluff big time....don't want me, can me!!! If they can him it would expose whatever they are pissed off about. My guess they are pissed off about the assault incident.
My biggest problem on the whole mess is that damage has been done. Another example of bumbling around and poor PR by school. LW should be making some sort of statement, either pro Buzz or throw his ass out of town.
They aren't amazing, but the Cajun fries make them a lot better. Not to mention, that's why you save the money you would spend on fries and just eat the complimentary peanuts. Five guys along with extra peanuts in my mouth...
Well, like I have said many times, Buzz ain't goin' anywhere.
Bet some people on here feel real stupid right about now for talking out of their ass*s for several days straight.
Completely agreed, but I'm not sure this is limited to Marquette. I think it is a general college athletics thing. See Michigan's last two searches for FB coaches. See current Illinois BB cluster. See Pac-10 and SEC expansion and concurrent Big 12 disintegration. There's more of course.
I could easily argue all of these situations should have been handled better. While none of these examples are analogous to what's going at Marquette now, college athletics is full of seemingly intelligent people who make decisions that don't make sense. So there ya go.
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
you can get the best nachos in the city on like 19th and Center, or somewhere around there. All the fixings, dumped on a bag of nacho doritos in a Styrofoam container.
Skatastrophy is a chick?
This crap all gives me gas.
Now that we have a press release, as someone mentioned last night around page 44, when will KSU17 & KSU18 visit?
We have to be the most paranoid fan base in all of sports.
I go to eat dinner, come back and there's 2.5 more pages and a press release from the Williams?
5 Guys - it's all about the peanuts and.....the peanut oil. I was warned before my first visit that the fries are enough to feed the family. And I enjoy reading the snippets on the wall from the "Best of Washington DC" magazine.
Does "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
You REALLY want this abomination to hit 100 pages, don't you?
Does "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.
You REALLY want this abomination to hit 100 pages, don't you?
You REALLY want this abomination to hit 100 pages, don't you?
WTF! Did I wander into a verbal chick flick?
Buzz ain't going nowhere like I said yesterday. Damage is done and school had their balls squeezed.
Buzz ain't going nowhere like I said yesterday. Damage is done and school had their balls squeezed.
Does "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
first MU hires Larry Williams, then you admit to being a Golden Domer as well??
p.s. - Five Guys fries are the worst... why would I get a burger from a place with crapty fries
Buzz ain't going nowhere like I said yesterday. Damage is done and school had their balls squeezed.
11 more pages to go.......
So within this thread we discussed
* Davante's love life
* Outed a cross dressing poster
* fully vetted the fries at 5 Guys
* turd cutters
* The reappearance of Scoop's Deep Throat84
* Seinfeld = Abe
* Hoops = ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D = the Banned One
* Someone wears depends
*SMUxxxx are badger trolls
And......
All is well in Milwaukee tonight.
Did I miss anything?
Discuss....cause we gotta get to 100!
T
Yes, you did....and you love us ;)
11 more pages to go.......
So within this thread we discussed
* Davante's love life
* Outed a cross dressing poster
* fully vetted the fries at 5 Guys
* turd cutters
* The reappearance of Scoop's Deep Throat84
* Seinfeld = Abe
* Hoops = ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D = the Banned One
* Someone wears depends
*SMUxxxx are badger trolls
And......
All is well in Milwaukee tonight.
Did I miss anything?
Discuss....cause we gotta get to 100!
All that is missing is in the beginning, SMU17 advising his girlfriend had a diamond face Rolex.
T
Ever had Mazos? Best burger in town, hands down.
Mazos' is owned by the Mazos family of Oak Creek. Grandfather John, a proud Greek immigrant from Sparta, started the business during the depression. After the war he passed ownership to his son Nico. His daughter Jackie now runs the store. Son John worked there growing up. John was a strapping lad, 6' 5" and 245 lbs of burger-fueled power. While at Oak Creek High School he was the Wisconsin State shot put runner up. He also played football for the Knights. One of his teammates was John Matuszak, the very first pick in the NFL draft back in the 70's. The Tooz was comfortable slamming into Mazos' where he would pound down 10 burgers in one sitting. The Tooz, though, never felt it necessary to actually pay for his food since he was a friend of the owner's son. After months of this the elder Mazos, Nico, grabbed The Tooz by the collar and tossed him out onto 27th Avenue. After signing his contract with the Raiders he returned and gave Nico $1,000 to pay for all the hamburgers eaten while in high school and college.
Kinda funny hearing that from you after all the BS you spewed the past few days.
Avenue.....completely agree on Chico's.
Sorry, didn't see this. I skipped over about 40 pages of this thread. Thanks for pointing it out to me. You honestly went back and calculated the percentage of posts in which he used ::)? ::) I really, really hope you are chicos, or your obsession with him is incredibly weird. I don't feel like wasting anymore of my time than I have just by being a part of this thread, could you please calculate the number of times you have ::) in your last 150 posts? Just for comparison's sake, of course.
The point is, you use ::) in the exact same ways as Chicos. Not many people post in a way that ::) is necessary. You/Chicos post in the exact same way as one another, which is a very unique way. It is no coincidence. Honestly, if I gave enough of a crap to actually go back and calculate the percentage of posts that Chicos used ::) overall compared to the percentage of posts that hoopaloop uses ::) overall, and also analyzed in what sense you use ::) I guarantee I would find that the numbers and situations that the ::) is used are incredibly similar. I would also have to have a really, really weird obsession with other dudes, too. Unfortunately for you, I do not. Either that or I would have to have any doubt whatsoever that you are chicos.
There is zero doubt in my mind Hoopaloop is Chicos Bail Bonds. Same writing style. Same hyping of Indiana, where if he didn't go to school there, he worked there before he became a satellite-dish selling titan in California.
Well that solves it. Hoopaloop is the "independent" auditor that Chicos found to analyze his posts. It brings everything full circle. I'm sure he just referenced data from that past audit, or it is that time of year again.
Huh?
Does "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
you have to ask them to make the fries extra crispy or else they come out soggy.....
Much of what he said was accurate.
Is daughter Jackie a strapping lass of burger-fueled power herself?
Also, the Matuszak story reminds me of one time when we ran into him at the bar Craig's on Hwy 100 and Layton (Hales Corners area) in the early '80's. It was a big rock club with a dance floor. He was buying a lot of shots for pretty much anyone at the bar who would drink 'em down.
I've been active (I hate to admit it) on the Marquette message boards since there was just the one board. This is going back to 2002 so that's 10 years (pains me to say it).
There is zero doubt in my mind Hoopaloop is Chicos Bail Bonds. Same writing style. Same hyping of Indiana, where if he didn't go to school there, he worked there before he became a satellite-dish selling titan in California.
Wasn't aware 5 Guys has Cajun fries. I think their small fries run about $4 and can feed the russian army. Don't think I could swap out fries for peanuts when I am having a greasy burger. That's why we fought the Cold War, isn't it?
I heard that Buzz wants to change the nickname back to WARRIORS and that the administration refuses to budge! They claim everyone wants to be the GOLDEN EAGLES!
That should be enough to get this past the baseball thread. Might be enough to get the Internet the explode.
What was the baseball thread about?Somehow I missed that one?
The only thing that makes me doubt that it is Chicos's is his lack of name dropping that Chico's was known for.
Maybe I haven't dug around enough, but am I the only not really inspired by the comments of Buzz and the AD? It almost feels like a married couple that wants to stop fighting only for the sake of stopping the fight, and not really resolving the issue at heart. I think I'm just loss and not sure what the core issue is here.
What was the baseball thread about?
Then focus solely on the thick, juicy meat...
Seriously, if those quotes are accurate, DC really sucks for burgers. 5 Guys is OK...but terribly overrated. I'd rather hit a Sonic because at least I can get a decent strawberry shake.
Brewers fans vs. Cubs fans vs. a few Cards fans pissing all over each other and the cities they came from.
Renamed? Noooooo. SMU needs to be associated with something #1.
Plus it spans more than one season.
To me it sounds like statements by two people who really had no issues but had to say something to quell the ever growing hysteria of the media and fan message boards. You can hear their eyes rolling as if to say, I cannot believe we have to address fabricated lunacy.
Renamed? Noooooo. SMU needs to be associated with something #1.
After spending the last three days with your ridiculous assertions about Buzz's balls being squeezed, how he was going to leave, how Pilarz was going to force him out, how MU was about to become SLU you want anyone here to believe your assertions about anything MU related? Some of us knew your gig was up 48 hours ago on this stuff. Glad to see it finally came true today to put these ridiculous rumors to rest.
You say you don't have an obsession with other dudes yet you comment about other posters, particularly him (he's been gone for almost a year) and others on how they post. That seems like an obsession to me. You made a claim that I was him based on the use of a smiley when you stated he used it all the time. I went back, looked and he didn't use it all the time, rarely used it at all.
Now you say I post "exact same way as one another". You were wrong on the ;) claim now you want to double down on this so we believe you this time? I don't know how he posted so exactly how does one determine that a person posts exact same way, especially when you have made the claim that he used ;) all the time.
I asked the other day, how is it possible that I'm here on chat during the game and he is at the game taking photographs (we can see this from his CS posting) 1,500 miles away? How is it that he has been on chat sometimes at the same time as I have been? How is it that I joined Scoop months before he was banned? How is it that I can be at his house having a beer and talking to him as he is in another chair looking back at me with his wife in a chair next to him?
One thing I did notice when going back to his posts. He often used ..... when posting. I was never taught this in English classes but that appears in many of his contributions. So what about that 'exact same way an one another" logic you proclaimed? I don't see it. He often used capitals, colors, underlined things others said to prove his points. So what about that 'exact same way an one another" logic you proclaimed? I don't see it.
This is how easy it is. Click here for his posts
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8;sa=showPosts
All you have to do is click a mouse on the link. I see a lot of "..." and underlining, colors, caps. I see very few of ::) or this ;) or this :o as you claimed.
See above. Same answers. I don't hype Indiana. I don't ignore their relevance in the college basketball landscape. Coach Norman Dale poster must be Chico because he is an IU grad and has an IU avatar.
I'm very good with numbers, but not in an auditing sense.
This is how easy it is. Click here for his posts
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8;sa=showPosts
All you have to do is click a mouse on the link. I see a lot of "..." and underlining, colors, caps. I see very few of ::) or this ;) or this :o
Let's sit back and watch Buzz not "mess with happy"
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x392/CFBSection/Articles/gifs/80558aab.gif)
This is the most valuable thing I got out of this thread, because I always hated that they came out soggy.
Maybe I haven't dug around enough, but am I the only not really inspired by the comments of Buzz and the AD? It almost feels like a married couple that wants to stop fighting only for the sake of stopping the fight, and not really resolving the issue at heart. I think I'm just loss and not sure what the core issue is here.
This is the best post in the thread. It would be even better if you had said, "Buzz will be doing this over some ponies in 2 years."
I agree Dish. Sounded more like two fighters returning to neutral corners between rounds, with Larry giving Buzz a tepid, almost passive aggressive "endorsement" while Buzz talked of his love for the players and institution but left the administration out of it.
A year ago, a good source (for those who require names, sorry) told me he thought Buzz would be a Marquette lifer. That same source told me in February he thought Buzz was gone after this season. That's how much he felt "happiness had been messed with". Here's hoping the fences can be mended, but if Larry's statement is the best he can do I have serious doubts.
For those (Hoopaloop,etc) who think as long as Buzz is makin' the big bucks he should gratefully and reverentially kiss his new bosses backsides, you haven't been payin' attention. Everyone who knows Buzz says it, and anyone who watches Buzz sees it. Trust and loyalty, that's how he rolls. If his bosses are more concerned with perceptions and scapegoats this marriage won't last.
I thought about that, but after all... "don't mess with happy."
I'm happy.
They don't like each other, MU wanted him to leave and we kept him. Keep recruiting studs Buzz!!
The "stick it to 'em Buzz" commentary he added (and continues with) was a little stale for my tastes.
Much of what he said was accurate.
Anyone else going through withdrawal?
They don't like each other, MU wanted him to leave and we kept him. Keep recruiting studs Buzz!!
For those (Hoopaloop,etc) who think as long as Buzz is makin' the big bucks he should gratefully and reverentially kiss his new bosses backsides, you haven't been payin' attention. Everyone who knows Buzz says it, and anyone who watches Buzz sees it. Trust and loyalty, that's how he rolls. If his bosses are more concerned with perceptions and scapegoats this marriage won't last.
So I'm happy today, but not nearly as happy as I was a year ago.
I agree Dish. Sounded more like two fighters returning to neutral corners between rounds, with Larry giving Buzz a tepid, almost passive aggressive "endorsement" while Buzz talked of his love for the players and institution but left the administration out of it.
A year ago, a good source (for those who require names, sorry) told me he thought Buzz would be a Marquette lifer. That same source told me in February he thought Buzz was gone after this season. That's how much he felt "happiness had been messed with". Here's hoping the fences can be mended, but if Larry's statement is the best he can do I have serious doubts.
For those (Hoopaloop,etc) who think as long as Buzz is makin' the big bucks he should gratefully and reverentially kiss his new bosses backsides, you haven't been payin' attention. Everyone who knows Buzz says it, and anyone who watches Buzz sees it. Trust and loyalty, that's how he rolls. If his bosses are more concerned with perceptions and scapegoats this marriage won't last.
So I'm happy today, but not nearly as happy as I was a year ago.
They have another year to work on it...at this point that's all that counts.
...unless another job opens up between now and next season.
I can't believe it's really over. I don't think we'll ever again see trolls as effective with as little to work with as we the SMU trolls these last few days. An impressive feat, to be sure.
IWB trolled us. Nobody cared about the SMU losers.
How is it that I can be at his house having a beer and talking to him as he is in another chair looking back at me with his wife in a chair next to him?
Where do you get this notion that I'm a good friend of his? I never met Chicos until after I signed up here and have to this day only met him one time when we were in California at the Disney parks (he lives close by). I never had an email exchange or any conversation with him until after I signed up here, either.
Fishing for walleyes in Canada in June. Need a wall hanger.blue glass shad rap - because its name has four words.
Crawlers, minnows, or blue glass shad rap?
Discuss......
The Godfather of recruiting insiders for MU.What does that mean? How would one find him if one wanted to read whatever it is he writes?
What does that mean? How would one find him if one wanted to read whatever it is he writes?
IWB trolled us. Nobody cared about the SMU losers.
Go to silk exotic on Wed night and ask to talk to the Irritated White Boy, he'll be at the bar closing it down.THANK YOU. I'm finally getting somewhere. I'll be an insider in no time... First I need to get some singles.
...unless another job opens up between now and next season.
Did he? I thought he reported accurately from the looks of it.
Eagle, in Ontario. Cedar Point Lodge. Great place. Huge frickin lake.
Lots of muuuuskilunges too.
No sh1t, landed a 28 inch waldo with bite marks on it last year. Almost had the double header of a lifetime!
I go to that exact lodge every other summer for last 16 years. Been on many guided fishes on that lake. No joke, blond headed dude is the owner. Hell, I could put you on the Walleye/Northern/Musky spots. There's one I won't give up though but a guide would probably.
Were you up there last year?
Wayne, the guide, is a hoot. Pour a little whiskey in him, and he'll talk all night!
Pat, the owner was most gracious. They get a lot of Milwaukee business.
THANK YOU. I'm finally getting somewhere. I'll be an insider in no time... First I need to get some singles.
I go to that exact lodge every other summer for last 16 years. Been on many guided fishes on that lake. No joke, blond headed dude is the owner. Hell, I could put you on the Walleye/Northern/Musky spots. There's one I won't give up though but a guide would probably..
Forgive my ignorance, I've heard the name referred to many times over the years but never have figured out who he is, where he comes from, or why people listen to him... who is "IWB"?
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Ran into some folks from Indiana up there last year. Asked them if they were Boiler fans or Hoosier fans. They responded ND. They were missing their front teeth (before I asked the question).
Asked them what they thought of Tommy Suntan. Took them a few seconds to realize who I was referring too. They said that they had high expectations, as Crean was getting very good in-state recruits.
... like Rick Barnes get hits by a bus?
No, too busy with school. This summer I'm in the last semester of my Master's program so I'll see if I can swing it otherwise next summer. Wayne is great, except he's a jigging man I like to back troll for Walleye.
I could give a couple spots near Stanley's Resort I got from one of their guides. Write down Ed's Point, back troll from the point, find the 18-25 ft of water area off the point. Rocky bottom, find some big wallys, and the occassional monster northern looking for a meal.
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?
Let me get this straight - I go out to dinner for a couple of hours, come back to find the storm's gone away and we're talking fishing? Do I have this right?
Does this mean the bake sale is cancelled?
:o 52" Musky back trolling on a Little Joe rig in a walleye hot bed spot actually not far from Cedar Point lodge.
Monsters be there, chili.
Let me get this straight - I go out to dinner for a couple of hours, come back to find the storm's gone away and we're talking fishing? Do I have this right?Best post of this thread. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Does this mean the bake sale is cancelled?
From where I sat, he fanned a fire that didn't need fanning to drive traffic to his new website.
End of July/early-mid August usually. So surprising with the Musky's but we've actually had good luck working the walleye hot spots for Musky. Caught a 48" Musky at the same spot and a couple smaller ones. When that lake turns on man it's giddy up time. Awesome place, we stayed at Eagle's Nest haven't seen the finished new place, bet it's awesome though.
They have another year to work on it...at this point that's all that counts.
Sultan I trust your judgment, but what insight do you have to what the "it" is that needs to be worked out here? After 90+ pages, I probably should know by now.
I believe in giving credit where credit is due. However this turns out, this has got to be one of the most outstanding trolling efforts of all time. These SMU fans (or are they Badger fans?) have done an amazing job. Some day I'll be telling my children's children about the SMU troll of '12.
Terrible quote. Just cause a beer is mass produced does not mean that it is not well crafted. If someone took the high life recipe and marketed it as a micro brew made by hippies in Boulder than it would be deemed quality.
I love high life and screw Kuma for telling me what beers I can like and cant.
This thread proves that we do NOT have better things to do.
Maybe the Mods can spambot LWill and the Padre like they did for the voting for Spaniel's daughter as the athlete of the week?
btw, out here in the Central Valley and heard the guy in front of me at the In & Out drive through order the "Jerry Wainwright to MU Special"
The best burgers come from your grill. Go here and ask for some Schmeisser patties. The BEST!
http://www.yelp.com/biz/schmeissers-home-made-sausage-inc-niles
You, sir, have never experienced Dick's!
http://www.ddir.com/
Gimmee a dick burger? If I walked into an establishment and said that I'd be afraid to open my mouth.
If you are in Milwaukee you should check out Mazos on 27th & Oklahoma
I'm an AJ Bombers fan. But I keep hearing good things about Mazos, so probably give it a try real soon.
I'm an AJ Bombers fan. But I keep hearing good things about Mazos, so probably give it a try real soon.
I'm an AJ Bombers fan. But I keep hearing good things about Mazos, so probably give it a try real soon.
What is AJ Bombers?
ajbombers.com
ya gotta try the barrie burger. a peanut butter bacon cheeseburger.
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?
Good lord! Burger Porn!
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?
You'd feel right at home. They have cables stretched from the bar to the booths. Every now and then they launch a bomber toward one of the booths. When it hits the wall it releases its payload and bombs the booth with peanuts.
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?
Yeah, looked like pretty fresh bite marks on the tail. Were you in Bottleneck Bay?
Based on the 90+ pages I'm going to say both of them need to work on trusting each other. Trustis the "it".
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?
BUMP
From where I sat, he fanned a fire that didn't need fanning to drive traffic to his new website.
Yeah, just their relationship in general
All this hamburger talk is keeping me hungry. On the flip side, I'm patiently waiting for a Chik-A-Fila to open in New England. I think the closest one might be in like Maryland?!?
All this hamburger talk is keeping me hungry. On the flip side, I'm patiently waiting for a Chik-A-Fila to open in New England. I think the closest one might be in like Maryland?!?
I'm only counting on Buzz being here for one or two more years at a maximum. Anything over that is gravy.
The good news, in my opinion, is that I think one or two more years will be enough for the program to continue its leap.
I'm only counting on Buzz being here for one or two more years at a maximum. Anything over that is gravy.
The good news, in my opinion, is that I think one or two more years will be enough for the program to continue its leap.
From where I sat, he fanned a fire that didn't need fanning to drive traffic to his new website.
It's all in how/why he leaves, though. If he leaves for one of the top 5-10 programs, we can recover with a new coach.
If he leaves over some perceived power struggle to a conference-basement program, scaring away all other major coaches .. not so much.
I WANT to agree with you.
However, in the past few days, I've realized it doesn't matter how Buzz leaves. MU will be at fault, and the program will go back to the stone ages.
Agreed 100%. IWB is a wannabe player in the AAU/Recruiting world. He's made some less than perfect decisions with his online choices. He threw some junk out there hoping it would stick.What "junk" did he throw out there? He said SMU asked to speak with Buzz and MU gave them permission. He said this is about relationships and it was. What "junk" did he throw? Did you throw any "junk" in this thread?
When you boil the issue with LW and Buzz all down, it was a contentious talk between two executives about the future of the company. Goes on all the time.
Successful people are often intense and strong willed. It's gonna happen.
2002
Yes the program could exist without Buzz. The Packers existed after Vince left but a pretty sorry period in team history until arrival of Brett Favre. I think many of us older posters hold the standard of the program at bar set by Al. I believe we are inches away from being at a higher level in college basketball and really would hate to roll the dice on losing Buzz, especially to an inferior program.
When you boil the issue with LW and Buzz all down, it was a contentious talk between two executives about the future of the company. Goes on all the time.
Successful people are often intense and strong willed. It's gonna happen.
I like Buzz a lot, and I'm in love with the projected roster in 2013 (could be a top 5 team).
Losing him would be bad. Very bad. Very, very bad.
But, I feel like some people here are worshiping at the altar "St. Buzz" a little too much.
The guy is not bigger than MU, the guy needs to be accountable to his superiors.
I'm not implying that I know anything specific, I just don't think a coach should be empowered to do whatever he wants like some around here imply.
The front of the jersey says "Marquette".
It's all in how/why he leaves, though. If he leaves for one of the top 5-10 programs, we can recover with a new coach.
If he leaves over some perceived power struggle to a conference-basement program, scaring away all other major coaches .. not so much.
What "junk" did he throw out there? He said SMU asked to speak with Buzz and MU gave them permission. He said this is about relationships and it was. What "junk" did he throw? Did you throw any "junk" in this thread?
I guess it depends on the nature of the power struggle. If he leaves in that situation, but it comes out later that Buzz was responsible for a lawless atmosphere <cough Ben Howland UCLA>, then he looks just as bad. Nobody looks good in that situation.
2002
Of course the jersey says Marquette on the front of it and thankfully Buzz has build a team and recruited players that millions of people saw those jerseys this year. I am all about winning and if MU has a bigger, better plan I would support that. I support Buzz because at this team in our history I believe he is the best option we have to get to FF.
I guess it depends on the nature of the power struggle. If he leaves in that situation, but it comes out later that Buzz was responsible for a lawless atmosphere <cough Ben Howland UCLA>, then he looks just as bad. Nobody looks good in that situation.
I agree with that and support him as well. Love what he has done. Like his style, like his players.
I'm just surprised at the amount if vilification of the MU Admin., and subsequent doomsday predictions by people around here.
I don't know Pilarz or Larry Williams, but my bet is they aren't:
A. Stupid
B. Evil
C. Incapable because he (larry) went to Notre Dame
D. Ready to make MU like SLU
E. Wanting more "notre dame" or "northwestern" type of players
All of these things have been stated/implied by posters here. That's nonsense.
The MU administration has made a HUGE commitment to basketball the past 10 years and has shown that it is committed towards the future as well (Buzz's big contract last year). The president is new, the AD is new. That doesn't mean MU is suddenly going to take a left turn and become Loyola. Calm. Down.
If you want to see an admin. that doesn't "get it", look at DePaul.
The "junk" he threw out there was saying: "Could Buzz to SMU actually happen? YES." Every other writer in the know saw it for the nonsense it was.
Whenever I read 2002MUalum's posts, I picture them being said by a mustachioed Ryan Amoroso. Whether I agree with what he says or not (usually agree), it definitely makes them a much more enjoyable read.
2002
I still not understand why you believe you know the direction of the program better than everyone else. many of the comments were mentioned by me and that is my opinion, based off intelligent conversations I respect. I would think many people would be satisified with a SLU type program. They made NCAA and have respected coach not making a ton of money. Would also think many would be happy recruiting ND type players. Not sure why those are major negatives?
If MU decided the program was too big for it's own good who could argue that? My point was if that is the decision (my fear) we as fans deserved to know that. I would support the program regardless. I know ZERO about either LW or Fr. because I have not met them personally. I do know we are on the verge of being special program.
What "junk" did he throw out there? He said SMU asked to speak with Buzz and MU gave them permission. He said this is about relationships and it was. What "junk" did he throw? Did you throw any "junk" in this thread?
2002
I do not think you are anything other than a great fan. Every post I made you attacked because you did not like the content, yet you feel your opinion is correct. Truthfully your support is awesome and on par with all the fans. My posts were made both out of info shared with me and my opinion. Do not believe that admin sat around and said "lets be SLU" at anytime. Just know it is far easier to become SLU than it is to become Michigan State or UNC.
Fighting amongst each other over "sources" and inane details about what was said and what was inferred about what was said.
We now return to our regularly scheduled programming...
about 50 posts to go to break the baseball pissing match thread (2402). Everyone catch their breath for the stretch run.It all feels so empty now.
Didn't he also say something along the lines of "More than just a rumor... get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans"???? If that isn't throwing a gas can into a bonfire, I don't know what is.
I like Buzz a lot, and I'm in love with the projected roster in 2013 (could be a top 5 team).If you recall, earlier in the thread SMU had agreed to change their jerseys to say "BUZZ" on the front. Since the thread doesn't lie, the least we could do is put a "BUZZ" patch on ours. Then again, that would be counter-intuitive to the message in your post.
Losing him would be bad. Very bad. Very, very bad.
But, I feel like some people here are worshiping at the altar "St. Buzz" a little too much.
The guy is not bigger than MU, the guy needs to be accountable to his superiors.
I'm not implying that I know anything specific, I just don't think a coach should be empowered to do whatever he wants like some around here imply.
The front of the jersey says "Marquette".
IWB has been right (and wrong) in the past. But it's worth noting in this particular situation, he was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz had permission to talk with SMU, and was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz seriously was considering a move.
He may have been right. He may not have been. But the fact that others out there with reasonable access to both programs (Katz, Davis, Goodman) quickly dismissed any Buzz to SMU talk as "wishful thinking" and the like at the very least calls into question IWB's information.
I "attacked" the content because what you are saying doesn't match what we have seen, and what we know. It doesn't jive.
You might be a visionary, and I might have my head in the sand. I'm not afraid admit that, and my face can be rubbed in it later if you are right. I'll deserve it.
I know how easily and quickly a program can fall. Losing a top-notch coach would be BAD. VERY BAD. But again, MU has done some things right over the past 15 years, so I'm not ready to demonize the administration like some people already have.
I "attacked" the content because what you are saying doesn't match what we have seen, and what we know. It doesn't jive.Ammo on a piss break or something?
You might be a visionary, and I might have my head in the sand. I'm not afraid admit that, and my face can be rubbed in it later if you are right. I'll deserve it.
I know how easily and quickly a program can fall. Losing a top-notch coach would be BAD. VERY BAD. But again, MU has done some things right over the past 15 years, so I'm not ready to demonize the administration like some people already have.
The "junk" he threw out there was saying: "Could Buzz to SMU actually happen? YES." Every other writer in the know saw it for the nonsense it was.
Pakuni
It was not a Williams vs. Williams issue for 100 time. LW came on along after the friction began. Again, of course they would not want to lose best marketing tool they have...but sometimes crap happens!!!
Please go back and look at my posts in this thread. I posted what I knew and also what I thought. Let me know how, in the end, I was wrong.
Sorry, but that wasn't junk. Buzz did seriously consider it. Chose MU in the end, but that does not change that he did consider it.
Try again.
IWB has been right (and wrong) in the past. But it's worth noting in this particular situation, he was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz had permission to talk with SMU, and was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz seriously was considering a move.
He may have been right. He may not have been. But the fact that others out there with reasonable access to both programs (Katz, Davis, Goodman) quickly dismissed any Buzz to SMU talk as "wishful thinking" and the like at the very least calls into question IWB's information.
Buzz did not "seriously" consider it. He used SMU for leverage. I've done the same thing.So says you. Frankly, I do not believe you. I guess that is junk from you then, right?
Pakuni
It was not a Williams vs. Williams issue for 100 time. LW came on along after the friction began. Again, of course they would not want to lose best marketing tool they have...but sometimes crap happens!!!
Buzz did not "seriously" consider it. He used SMU for leverage. I've done the same thing.
2002
Trust me I was 100% correct on friction between admin and Buzz. If that still is in question you do have your head in the sand. Again if you read your post you are stating your opinion trumps what I know. Seriously do not care...glad we can talk about recruiting even better players down the road.
Who do you think his source was? That is the answer as to why he had the information that others did not. ;)
Are you sugesting Buzz was his source?
If Buzz wanted to use the SMU interest to gain leverage - and it's pretty apparent that was the case - I'm pretty sure he could have taken it to an outlet with far greater reach and impact than IWB's blog.
2002
I am NOT saying they wanted to scale back based on facts...that is opinion. This is fact...if Buzz was allowed to go to SMU it would have scaled because of bthe stupidity of nudging him out.
Are you sugesting Buzz was his source?
If Buzz wanted to use the SMU interest to gain leverage - and it's pretty apparent that was the case - I'm pretty sure he could have taken it to an outlet with far greater reach and impact than IWB's blog.
O k, what leverage did Buzz gain in this? Don't give me supposition, give me facts.
Who said Buzz was using IWB to get information out there? I never did. Buzz could have also used Illinois as leverage, but did not. Why is that? Hmmmmm ... maybe because he did not seriously consider that? Nah, that can't be.
Ammo on a piss break or something?
Because Buzz is/was far, far down Illinois' wish list.
Hard to gain leverage from a non-existent job offer.
Anyway, this thread has wasted too much of my life. You will never see another persons point of view, so have at the last response, this thread is done to me.
He was doing curls in the corner.
/flex-off with ammo
//lose again
///damn
So you know that if Buzz showed interest that Illinois would not? I just don't buy the cr@p your selling today.
Anyway, this thread has wasted too much of my life. You will never see another persons point of view, so have at the last response, this thread is done to me.
Hey y'all I'm here for the gang bang!Three chicks were outed in this thread. Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen. It's all in there.
/looks around
//realizes it's only doods
///farts in Ammo's face and runs away
I'm just surprised at the amount if vilification of the MU Admin., and subsequent doomsday predictions by people around here.
I don't know Pilarz or Larry Williams, but my bet is they aren't:
A. Stupid
B. Evil
C. Incapable because he (larry) went to Notre Dame
D. Ready to make MU like SLU
E. Wanting more "notre dame" or "northwestern" type of players
If you want to see an admin. that doesn't "get it", look at DePaul.
Three chicks were outed in this thread. Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen. It's all in there.
Three chicks were outed in this thread. Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen. It's all in there.
You were in the running for the SMU job?
So says you. Frankly, I do not believe you. I guess that is junk from you then, right?
What "leverage" did Buzz get out of this?
As for Larry Williams, here's my take: He inherited a very successful situation, including one of the best and most coveted head coaches in the profession to lead the flagship program in the athletic department. The coach was happy and felt a mutual sense of trust and loyalty existed between him and the administration. In three short months the trust is gone and the loyalty is in question. Instead of taking it slow and building a relationship with unarguably Marquette's most important employee, Larry has acted like a bull in a china shop, publicly stating that HE will make Buzz a better coach, reprmanding him for his WV 2 step (after Buzz had already apologized) and musing on whether Buzz's too tight tie might make his head blow up. God knows what he said to Buzz in private. So, he has been (publicly) boastful, arrogant and unprepared/unprofessional (see his speech in which he mangled many important donors names and laughed about it). I agree that Larry isn't stupid or evil, but guess what? Neither are the people running things at DePaul and that hasn't stopped them from screwing things up royally. That's the course Larry's on now. Hopefully that will change.
No. I meant I've used other job offers as leverage against my current job.I think he knew what you meant.
I think he knew what you meant.
I certainly don't think that Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams are stupid or evil. "C" is, to me, ridiculous, and I think (hope?) that D and E are not part of their vision.
I won't comment on Pilarz becase I don't know what his input is in all of this. As for Larry Williams, here's my take: He inherited a very successful situation, including one of the best and most coveted head coaches in the profession to lead the flagship program in the athletic department. The coach was happy and felt a mutual sense of trust and loyalty existed between him and the administration. In three short months the trust is gone and the loyalty is in question. Instead of taking it slow and building a relationship with unarguably Marquette's most important employee, Larry has acted like a bull in a china shop, publicly stating that HE will make Buzz a better coach, reprmanding him for his WV 2 step (after Buzz had already apologized) and musing on whether Buzz's too tight tie might make his head blow up. God knows what he said to Buzz in private. So, he has been (publicly) boastful, arrogant and unprepared/unprofessional (see his speech in which he mangled many important donors names and laughed about it). I agree that Larry isn't stupid or evil, but guess what? Neither are the people running things at DePaul and that hasn't stopped them from screwing things up royally. That's the course Larry's on now. Hopefully that will change.
As did IWB. That was my point. Yet, you chose to blast him. And that is after you chastised people for blasting you on the DePaul thread. I just don't get that. To each their own, I guess.
Rumor: Larry Brown wants the SMU job.
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/hall-of-fame-coach-wants-to-get-back-int.html (http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/hall-of-fame-coach-wants-to-get-back-int.html)
talk about an unexpected twist
Three chicks were outed in this thread. Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen. It's all in there.
Entirely possible and I have no factual way of disputing what you have laid out.
I guess I hope/suspect:
#1 Larry is smarter than this. I don't know the man, but I hope MU went through an in-depth hiring process and found a good AD. That doesn't mean he hasn't made a mistake(s) though, or that there haven't been some growing pains.
#2 Buzz hasn't taken the media comments personally. I know Buzz is an emotional guy so he might... but Buzz lays some pretty interesting quotes on us when he talks about his "employees", so I hope he's not offended when Larry is honest about his coach. I think Larry's comments were accurate. Buzz loves his guys, and we know that. But, in his first few interviews we were all pretty surprised at the way he talked about them so honestly.
Someone may have finally killed this thread.
Someone may have finally killed this thread.
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?
Also, the very best Supper Club in all of the Universe is Schwarz's in St Anna, WI. Not even close. Especially after a PAcker game. You're Welcome!
Did you write this "screenplay" yourself? You're a regular Woody Allen. Hoop, you may be a real riot at those aeronautical engineering reunions in West Lafayette but don't quit your day job. I read it twice looking for a hint of humor, but alas...bet Chicos liked it though.
Having grown up in St. Ann / St. Anna / St. Anne, WI (no stop lights, population unknown - really, but we still had three different spellings for the name of the town - go figure), I was tickled to see your reference. How, pray tell, are you aware of Schwarz's? Are you from "the Holy Land"? :)
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates. I tried to pull in the most absurd. Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere. It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.
It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving. The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff. That is the humor. Appreciated by some, not by others.
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates. I tried to pull in the most absurd. Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere. It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.
It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving. The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff. That is the humor. Appreciated by some, not by others.
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates. I tried to pull in the most absurd. Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere. It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.
It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving. The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff. That is the humor. Appreciated by some, not by others.
Having grown up in St. Ann / St. Anna / St. Anne, WI (no stop lights, population unknown - really, but we still had three different spellings for the name of the town - go figure), I was tickled to see your reference. How, pray tell, are you aware of Schwarz's? Are you from "the Holy Land"? :)
Someone may have finally killed this thread.
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates. I tried to pull in the most absurd. Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere. It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.
It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving. The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff. That is the humor. Appreciated by some, not by others.
Now what? Should we try for #1 in page views?
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Okay. I originally refused to post in this thread. But with the 100 pages looming and the re-name to "Craptastical Mystery Thread" I couldn't help myself!
Can we really claim 100 when a # of threads were merged in?
I say we shoot for 120 in case of audit.
Looks like we need a few more logs on the fire:
1) Buzz tied TC's MU NCAA wins this season, Buzz in 4 years, TC in 7 (I'm giving him a break for years 1 & 2)
2) Notice how we heard coaching rumors affected TC's recruiting but Buzz puts his name out each year and it doesn't hurt his?
/job done.
I was born in the "Holy Land" in 1957 (Dad was in farming). But moved to the big city in 1960 while grandpa still farmed in the area so visits were frequent. Summer vacations spent often in the area so was a "must" to stop at Schwarz's after Packer games.
what are girl parts?
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com# (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com#)
Alexa info for scoop. Why not?
FTR, Alexa will not email me pictures of her girl parts. :'(
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what are girl parts?
Ask Skatastrophy. She'll send you pictures.
Craptastical Mystery Thread
I heard Yoko is gonna sue over that title
So who lives in Harlingen and is single handedly improving scoop's ranking down there?
He directed me to www.meatspin.com
(VNSFW... probably NSFL)
for those who don't know what the acronyms above mean, do not go to the website.
hahaha, I've been debating linking people there this whole thread. I guess we'll see if it gets you banned or not. Thanks for sticking your neck out there for me :)
I'd understand... but I think the post can probably just be edited to disinclude the link. ;)
Texas? Must be SMUxx
You could be Fr. Pilarz for all I know.
I gotta go to the can but I'm afraid to leave and miss the festivities.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com# (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com#)
Alexa info for scoop. Why not?
FTR, Alexa will not email me pictures of her girl parts. :'(
I'm pretty sure he could have taken it to an outlet with far greater reach and impact than IWB's blog.
I'd hate to not be a part of Scoop history in this thread, so I'm jumping in with the only thing I can think of that we haven't covered.
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What's he up to these days?
I'd hate to not be a part of Scoop history in this thread, so I'm jumping in with the only thing I can think of that we haven't covered.
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What's he up to these days?
Alright, now that that's wrapped up who is Marquette actively recruiting. Time to get wild recruiting speculation of the offseason into full swing here.
Alright, now that that's wrapped up who is Marquette actively recruiting. Time to get wild recruiting speculation of the offseason into full swing here.
Alright, now that that's wrapped up who is Marquette actively recruiting. Time to get wild recruiting speculation of the offseason into full swing here.
Victory! Victory! Victory!
Oh wait. This was all actually embarassingly epic FAILURE.
Lock this down and let it never see the light of day again.
Sorry, Hoop. I have a sense of humor. No subject is off limits, and I am able to see humor even in points of view I find ill informed. Your "piece" is just really, really bad. Sorry to burst your bubble, but better to find out now rather than after you quit your job and moved the wife and kids to L.A. You'll thank me for this later.
Goose is Fr Pilarz!
Just lock this SOB before it's greatness is further diluted. Save it for April of 2013 and reopen it.
Let's re-open it in 2022! Like a time capsule!
There is the wisdom of a people in this thread. The collective genius of a civilization
This should help recruiting.
How much of a problem can Buzz have with Larry Williams? After all, he worked for the biggest douche bag in sports for 11 months.
Discuss.
ALRIGHT! THAT'S IT! IT'S OVER! IT'S ALL OVER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gNdQb3nDg
There's only one thing to do then. Make it a Premium thread.
Hopefully without a virus.
Hopefully without a virus.
Everyone should give this thread a bump.
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lady bumps
LOVELY LADY BUMPS
See you all in a few months..unless something important comes up..like the signing of a 6' 8" SF from Illinois for 2013.
If Big Daddy breaks Jabari news to MU...drinks on Goose. He can be had to MU and would say funnier things have happened, like talk of Buzz to SMU!!!
Channel 58 in Milwaukee just reported that fan message boards are abuzz with reports that Jabari Parker just committed to Marquette.
Channel 58's investigative news team, in cooperation with 60 Minutes, is also investigating the strange case of a missing person from a fan message board, who seems to have come back from the dead, but with a new identity. All of that and Lance Hill's 7 day forecast, tonight at 10!
Channel 58 in Milwaukee just reported that fan message boards are abuzz with reports that Jabari Parker just committed to Marquette.
He directed me to www.meatspin.com
(VNSFW... probably NSFL)
for those who don't know what the acronyms above mean, do not go to the website.
Has anybody ever seen Larry Williams long-form birth certificate and, if not, why the delay in releasing it?
He directed me to www.meatspin.com
(VNSFW... probably NSFL)
for those who don't know what the acronyms above mean, do not go to the website.
Pilarz is Albert DiIulio reincarnate.
Any speculation on who's gettin' axed to leave so room is made for Parker?
I've been pretty distant since the loss here. Can someone please explain, in two sentences or less, what the hell is going on here?
And if you can answer that query, can you also address the meaning of life?
I would just like to say that I am extremely disappointed that this thread has already lost its momentum.
Only 103 pages?!?!?
It's not like anything important is happening in the real world.
Upward and Onward Scoopers!
I would just like to say that I am extremely disappointed that this thread has already lost its momentum.Mega Ultra Thread?
Only 103 pages?!?!?
It's not like anything important is happening in the real world.
Upward and Onward Scoopers!
I don't know, but whoever takes that one for the team will deserve Marquette's version of the Medal of Honor.Could offer him a lifetime deal as a MU ambassador, like Favre was offered, in exchange for quitting. Penthouse at Humphrey for life, multiple honorary doctorate degrees, front row seats next to RJax, and a mini statue next to the Al statue.
Mega Ultra Thread?
No. Shhhh... It is legend.
arise! arise thread! thread arise!
Headed to LBK for Easter...THANK YOU for the recommendation! 103 pages and worth every character.This thread just keeps giving and giving and giving.
Headed to LBK for Easter...THANK YOU for the recommendation! 103 pages and worth every character.
That would not be good. It is possible though. 2nd time Al's name came up today. Yikes.
I still can't believe we have his name on the jerseys. We should replace it with Tom (or Tan).
Headed to LBK for Easter...THANK YOU for the recommendation! 103 pages and worth every character.
If you get down south into the Florida Keys stop at Robbie's in Islamorada. Every day about 100 tarpon gather around his dock. You can buy a bucket of bait to feed them. First timers toss the bait to the tarpon, but the proper way to do it is to lay down on the dock and stick your hand down and have a 100 lb tarpon come up and take it from you. They kind of fight to be the one to get it, so sometimes their aim isn't too good, and most of your arm goes in their mouth - but it's ok, since they don't have teeth. You definitely want to bring a video camera.
http://www.robbies.com/tarpon.htm
If you get down south into the Florida Keys stop at Robbie's in Islamorada. Every day about 100 tarpon gather around his dock. You can buy a bucket of bait to feed them. First timers toss the bait to the tarpon, but the proper way to do it is to lay down on the dock and stick your hand down and have a 100 lb tarpon come up and take it from you. They kind of fight to be the one to get it, so sometimes their aim isn't too good, and most of your arm goes in their mouth - but it's ok, since they don't have teeth. You definitely want to bring a video camera.
http://www.robbies.com/tarpon.htm
Any more fishing talk and I'll move those pages to a new thread in the superbar!
BTW Sally, we don't forget to edit the quotes, we're just too lazy.
Any more fishing talk and I'll move those pages to a new thread in the superbar!
BTW Sally, we don't forget to edit the quotes, we're just too lazy.
Rocky, that's fine if you move this stuff to a new thread......just trying to follow suit with the main theme of this thread....random topics, random baseless conjecture, random hamburger polls, turd cutters, lady bits, and on and on and on......were all welcome until this post dies a natural death ;DWhat part of this thread, if any, would you consider natural? Like an episode from the old Twilite Zone tv series. This thread is like is like nothing I have ever seen before. And, I've loved reading every page of it.
Go warriors!
another board I visit (music trading) has a Hall of Fame for threads like this, just a thought re: preservation
not much can touch this thread: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23718
Date night ideas tomorrow night?
Mom is already picking us up...where do we go to eat?
Thanks in advance
Consigning this thread to the Superbar is the moral equivalent of taking a jet to the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson. There is a melancholy in that act which defies description. Somehow, this thread should be returned to its rightful place of honor.
At least anti-terrorism training can still be conducted on said mothballed jet.
This thread should have been sh!tcanned over N. Korea.
Enough to make an old warthog-driver weep...
He changed his mind after LW told him to take it.
Someday I really hope to know what happened here. Was it serious play by Buzz? By MU? Was it as simple as money ... SMU offered, Buzz listened? Was it a pretty standard occurrence blown out of proportion by this board?
Someday.
Wait till a real school that Buzz likes opens up. One that does not require a major overhaul.
25 days to the opener.
Maybe 18!
Not looking good for that.
SMU will be a doormat in the BE, a doormat for at least 5 years. Would he have even lasted that long.not sure about that. those two are already great recruiters, and they're now recruiting for a nba coach. it will take a few years to get talent, but they have a structure and long-term plan that is going to be attractive to recruits.
Larry Brown bringing in Howard and Rod Strickland (assistant at Kentucky) will maybe help with recruiting, but it will take a long time.
not sure about that. those two are already great recruiters, and they're now recruiting for a nba coach. it will take a few years to get talent, but they have a structure and long-term plan that is going to be attractive to recruits.
Red Wing is open! St. Croix and WI open in 18. PD Pappys opens then too.
not sure about that. those two are already great recruiters, and they're now recruiting for a nba coach. it will take a few years to get talent, but they have a structure and long-term plan that is going to be attractive to recruits.
Yes a few years, like five. Agree with the NBA coach aspect, National Championship, etc. and having Howard and Strickland helps, but SMU sucked in CUSA and now they are going up against the big boys. Lets see what top 100 recruits in the class of 2013 start signing on the dotted line, or even if the Dallas/Houston talent start peeking interest. Major rebuild and I hope it does work out since they just joined the BE.
From what I heard I think Buzz liked the social status attaching to the SMU job. That school carries a lot of weigt in Texas, especially Dallas
Major rebuild and I hope it does work out since they just joined the BE.
I don't doubt this, but this doesn't match the "aw shucks, it's just about the kids" type of stuff we have been hearing does it?
Unless he was physically in the room or literally on the phone at the same time as Buzz and SMU, there's no way he knows this except hearing it secondhand. Now it's being reported as fact, and soon a 10,000 page thread will result on MUScoop. I suppose now you all believe in snarks and grumpkins as well.
From what I heard I think Buzz liked the social status attaching to the SMU job. That school carries a lot of weigt in Texas, especially Dallas
People, people, people, all of this belongs over on the Lunardi thread, otherwise we'll never reach the 103 page mark. Right? So, come on let's work together as a team as we strive to reach new heights.
People, people, people, all of this belongs over on the Lunardi thread, otherwise we'll never reach the 103 page mark. Right? So, come on let's work together as a team as we strive to reach new heights.
Maybe he wants a school more in conformity with his religious beliefs. Are Methodists Christians?
"I'll be here as long as MU has me" etc. (I'm paraphrasing).i'm still not sure this is a lie...the odds aren't pretty knowing what most college coaches are about but...
Maybe he wants a school more in conformity with his religious beliefs. Are Methodists Christians?
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Two month ago I called Buzz slippery and got bashed for it. If anyone really believe in "awe shucks" is an easy sale. When Buzz smirked after his dance it showed a side of him I really liked. I think he is shrewd, calculating person that knows how to butter his own bread. I believe he cares about the kids, similar to Al, but also similar to Al, he knows how to watch out for himself. I think more Dallas in Uncle Buzz than Cowpoke, Texas.
No, they're like Mormons.
Kind of. They don't have our sense of intense shame, lack Baptists self-righteousness, and are generally balse about faith in general. Methodists are constantly looking at their watch during service, hoping to have 15 minutes on the putting green before their tee time.
Al did but people might not know he tried to leave for the Bucks HC job but Fr Raynor held him to his contract. Al's comment was that, "The Jesuit Fathers take their vows of poverty very seriously and expect you to live by them."as i've been told by others al also told his players to take the dang money if they could get it because he'd do the same. i appreciate honesty. heck i can even appreciate when a coach like huggins says he isn't worried about graduation rates, he just coaches and lets the academic people handle graduation. i may not like it, but he's being honest about how he runs his program.
Clearly you do not live out west.
Catholics having a holier than thou attitude? That's a first.
As goose, myself and others stated early on, this was closer than a lot of people are now stating it was. Turns out people were not reporting false rumors.
BS. Always was, and still is wild speculation.
BS. Always was, and still is wild speculation.
Keep burying your head in the sand. Doesn't bother me.
I'm curious to see which camp gave King that info. Was it from the SMU side or was it someone close to Buzz?
Catholics I know tend to be much more open to diversity of religious thought and expression. Moes don't. Nor do Baptists. And certainly the fundamental denominations make Hitler look like a free speech advocate.
What info?
as i've been told by others al also told his players to take the dang money if they could get it because he'd do the same. i appreciate honesty. heck i can even appreciate when a coach like huggins says he isn't worried about graduation rates, he just coaches and lets the academic people handle graduation. i may not like it, but he's being honest about how he runs his program.
if buzz is preaching morals and character while bs'ing about wanting to be at mu until they kick him out that's a heck of a lot different than al saying "take the money, i would" and then chasing after a higher paying nba gig.
Not money!
I was referring mostly to your allegation that Methodists are "kind of" Christians. There's no place on this board for that, or judging Mormons or Baptists, or any religion.
I was kidding.
About the Moes, however, I live among them and behind the green jello they are exclusionary, close minded, racist. Read Krakauer's Under The Banner Of God and you might begin to understand.
BS. Always was, and still is wild speculation.
It's "Under the Banner of Heaven."
Excellent read. About fundamental Mormons, not mainstream. Like Opus Dei is to Jesuits.
Let's recap: BOT brings in new guy to take MU to a new level. New guy is national, intellectual/academic , a capital fundraiser, clergy, savvy politician and from a more stuck up school than Notre Dame (Gtown). He is the smartest man in the room. He replaces a nice, fatherly man who is overly loyal but who has clergy sexual abuse baggage (inaction) that follows him.
BOT has 7 clergy, 9 females, 15 nonprofits, 13 Wisconsinites, and has 11 nonMU grads out of an unmanageable 35. Maybe 5 Friends of Buzz. Many for profits put on BOT's because they represent cash donors that don't want their name tied to negative stories. Many are trying to finish their legacies.
New guy is told to clean up the perceived pr mess and move on to his vision. Out with the old, in with the new. Blame Athletics because it is easy and better than the clergy which has tainted at the very least the last two MU administrations. Women crimes have gone unreported illegally for a decade if not scores, although BB is most recent but all handled like clergy were so need change from past. "Make it End"
In is the empowered coach who is also new to MU history of the underdog. Ran his own show within limits. Kids make mistakes but coach has taken the time to study MU Warrior creed of past, play into the concept of " Be the Difference", but holds them accountable in a different way that these kids transform too. He believes in redemption if they believe. It jives with his story and he attaches deeply and sells it in to hardship kids who respond or they are out.
New guy forms a committee which is his MO, hires a couple of ND toadies to raise the bar to his vision the BOT charged him with. AD follows orders, asserts himself but goes after the signature program as new guy orders, doesn't understand complexities of running BE athletics or that loyal underling is more liked and qualified. Both are at every game but loyal alums don't connect. They walk in and out alone. New guy is savvy but goes after the big one to pull back power. Donors react and side with coach so he pulls it back. ND guy weakened. Coach alienated but wins short term. New guy realizes he was led astray from BOT directive by the reaction of the masses. His vision distracted, his new base never connects with him, he is reeling big time and has lost his agenda. BOT has led him astray on his agenda; he recoils and tries to bring back coach to settle furor.
In the end, all weakened, all will not survive at MU unless the new guy regroups and imposes HIS university vision. He is learning that. Buzz will give him a chance to meld it together...only for the kids and loyal FOB alums, which are many. There will be fallen soldiers as the new settles.
Let's recap: BOT brings in new guy to take MU to a new level. New guy is national, intellectual/academic , a capital fundraiser, clergy, savvy politician and from a more stuck up school than Notre Dame (Gtown). He is the smartest man in the room. He replaces a nice, fatherly man who is overly loyal but who has clergy sexual abuse baggage (inaction) that follows him.
BOT has 7 clergy, 9 females, 15 nonprofits, 13 Wisconsinites, and has 11 nonMU grads out of an unmanageable 35. Maybe 5 Friends of Buzz. Many for profits put on BOT's because they represent cash donors that don't want their name tied to negative stories. Many are trying to finish their legacies.
New guy is told to clean up the perceived pr mess and move on to his vision. Out with the old, in with the new. Blame Athletics because it is easy and better than the clergy which has tainted at the very least the last two MU administrations. Women crimes have gone unreported illegally for a decade if not scores, although BB is most recent but all handled like clergy were so need change from past. "Make it End"
In is the empowered coach who is also new to MU history of the underdog. Ran his own show within limits. Kids make mistakes but coach has taken the time to study MU Warrior creed of past, play into the concept of " Be the Difference", but holds them accountable in a different way that these kids transform too. He believes in redemption if they believe. It jives with his story and he attaches deeply and sells it in to hardship kids who respond or they are out.
New guy forms a committee which is his MO, hires a couple of ND toadies to raise the bar to his vision the BOT charged him with. AD follows orders, asserts himself but goes after the signature program as new guy orders, doesn't understand complexities of running BE athletics or that loyal underling is more liked and qualified. Both are at every game but loyal alums don't connect. They walk in and out alone. New guy is savvy but goes after the big one to pull back power. Donors react and side with coach so he pulls it back. ND guy weakened. Coach alienated but wins short term. New guy realizes he was led astray from BOT directive by the reaction of the masses. His vision distracted, his new base never connects with him, he is reeling big time and has lost his agenda. BOT has led him astray on his agenda; he recoils and tries to bring back coach to settle furor.
In the end, all weakened, all will not survive at MU unless the new guy regroups and imposes HIS university vision. He is learning that. Buzz will give him a chance to meld it together...only for the kids and loyal FOB alums, which are many. There will be fallen soldiers as the new settles.
Keep claiming you're right, when there are no facts to back you up. Doesn't bother me, or mean that you're right.
What "fact" do you want?
I can tell you what I was told from the very beginning. That Buzz wasn't getting along with his bosses and that he looked seriously at the SMU job. (I never said anything about trying to de-emphasize basketball like Goose did...I never heard that.)
So now what I said is being backed up by Jason King...and your response is still burying your head in the sand. Look, believe what you want to believe. Throw me under the bus...throw IWB under the bus...whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess is fine.
But I was right.
Don't forget Jen Mueller of Fox Sports (now branded as Root.) She said the same thing as King reported.Hold on...is Fox Sports branded as "Root" or is Jen Mueller?
Hold on...is Fox Sports branded as "Root" or is Jen Mueller?
What "fact" do you want?
...
But I was right.
Also mentioned that the SMU job carries a great deal of prestige and social status in Tejas
Of course you were right about some administrative tension, but buzz was never close to going anywhere.
Of course you were right...about some administrative tension, but buzz was never close to going anywhere.
SMU basketball is not important to anyone here outside of a few SMU students (very few) and fewer alums. Neither the program nor the position carry ANY prestige in DFW or Texas.
Some credible journalists have a different view. Mueller's is the SMU ADD. Pretty damn good first hand sources. Care to state yours?
Yes, I will state my sources. I have none. And that is the important part. When s*it goes down, I usually get lots of e-mails and PMs. I got none about this whole SMU thing, except for Goose trying to convince me he had good information (and I know of Goose's source). A lack of a source is my source that everyone else was spewing s*it.
Let's recap: BOT brings in new guy to take MU to a new level. New guy is national, intellectual/academic , a capital fundraiser, clergy, savvy politician and from a more stuck up school than Notre Dame (Gtown). He is the smartest man in the room. He replaces a nice, fatherly man who is overly loyal but who has clergy sexual abuse baggage (inaction) that follows him.
BOT has 7 clergy, 9 females, 15 nonprofits, 13 Wisconsinites, and has 11 nonMU grads out of an unmanageable 35. Maybe 5 Friends of Buzz. Many for profits put on BOT's because they represent cash donors that don't want their name tied to negative stories. Many are trying to finish their legacies.
New guy is told to clean up the perceived pr mess and move on to his vision. Out with the old, in with the new. Blame Athletics because it is easy and better than the clergy which has tainted at the very least the last two MU administrations. Women crimes have gone unreported illegally for a decade if not scores, although BB is most recent but all handled like clergy were so need change from past. "Make it End"
In is the empowered coach who is also new to MU history of the underdog. Ran his own show within limits. Kids make mistakes but coach has taken the time to study MU Warrior creed of past, play into the concept of "Be the Difference", but holds them accountable in a different way that these kids transform too. He believes in redemption if they believe. It jives with his story and he attaches deeply and sells it in to hardship kids who respond or they are out.
New guy forms a committee which is his MO, hires a couple of ND toadies to raise the bar to his vision the BOT charged him with. AD follows orders, asserts himself but goes after the signature program as new guy orders, doesn't understand complexities of running BE athletics or that loyal underling is more liked and qualified. Both are at every game but loyal alums don't connect. They walk in and out alone. New guy is savvy but goes after the big one to pull back power. Donors react and side with coach so he pulls it back. ND guy weakened. Coach alienated but wins short term. New guy realizes he was led astray from BOT directive by the reaction of the masses. His vision distracted, his new base never connects with him, he is reeling big time and has lost his agenda. BOT has led him astray on his agenda; he recoils and tries to bring back coach to settle furor.
In the end, all weakened, all will not survive at MU unless the new guy regroups and imposes HIS university vision. He is learning that. Buzz will give him a chance to meld it together...only for the kids and loyal FOB alums, which are many. There will be fallen soldiers as the new settles.
What about a Fox Sports reporter citing the ADD at SMU?
Here you go Bro,
The new sheriff and his deputy dug in Buzz' stuff. Basically, upon directive from on high, the acts of several players have brought unwanted negative publicity to our fine alma mater and are not to be repeated henceforth. This, of course, smacks of messin' with happy and the bus driver is pissed and feelin' unloved. So, the pissin' match starts with who blinks first. Likely ending will be MU changin' coaches, sooner than later citing irreconcible differences.
Yes, I will state my sources. I have none. And that is the important part.
Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.
no, not really. he is one major off-court player incident or recruiting mishap away from being canned.
How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset? How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players? Young men 18-22 make mistakes.
Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over. Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days. Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...
Dead on Doctor. Nice to see some analysis of a complex situation rather than the simple among our fandom saying stupid things like this proves that Buzz is a "basketball mercenary" and a phony/conman.
I represent this remark.
Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.Really? You have much more confidence in the BOT, Prez, and AD than I do. Remember, it was folks just like this who scrapped our Warrior name and gave us the Gold.
Methodists, on the other hand, are the most ecumenical of faiths. They call up the Catholic parish and suggest a joint Easter Egg hunt. They have Passover/Easter dinners with the local temple.
Funny, you seem to put more faith in what SMU's AD might have to say than what Larry Williams had to say. Maybe you should go have a drink with Chicos.
Really? You have much more confidence in the BOT, Prez, and AD than I do. Remember, it was folks just like this who scrapped our Warrior name and gave us the Gold.
Crean was power-mad, answered to no one toward the end and truly believed basketball was Marquette. Some would say he believed HE was Marquette.
All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.
All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.
Sultan
Sad thing is I really wish we were wrong. Any naysayers have not stated one thing factual to prove our claims false, yet they stick with their opinion. You and I took heat for our comments based off sources and are told we are wrong....disappointing that a group of adults would lack the reasoning that we had nothing to gain from our posts. Big Daddy gets jerked off for stating DG had jersey backed after his 19 post and you would have thought he cured cancer. Funny thing is Big Daddy says one thing in forum and another off camera.
I represent this remark.
I don't think basketball mercenary is inaccurate or unfair. Buzz has scraped and clawed his way to the top by taking the jobs nobody else was willing or wanted to do. He has definitely taken the road less traveled.
I would never say Buzz is a conman, but the dude isn't as dumb as he likes to play, and I would say the vast majority of his comments and statements are very well thought out.
I like the guy, I hope he coaches at MU for a long time.
Do you do anything else other than talk about what you've talked about?
+1.
Penn State didn't know it was "Penn State" before it was too late. All schools need to keep the checks and balances, even if it is uncomfortable sometimes.
Yes, I will state my sources. I have none. And that is the important part. When s*it goes down, I usually get lots of e-mails and PMs. I got none about this whole SMU thing, except for Goose trying to convince me he had good information (and I know of Goose's source). A lack of a source is my source that everyone else was spewing s*it.
Sultan - pretending or portraying more than you really know is ignorance ...
continuing to say - "see, I knew what I was talking about cause Jason King says so is even more ignorance"
What are you talking about? Penn State knew exactly who they were, just like Nixon and the Catholic Church did. They covered up for a serial child molester, and the cover up went right to the top. Any comparison to Penn State is absurd.
2002
Exactly right on the Penn State comment. My only concern on the issue was/is MU going to too far to protect itself or is there real issues. The issues we know about are troublesome but not really out of the norm in todays world of sports. If MU has concerns they have every right to make the call seem fit. This fan hopes that a way to make everyone happy can be found in upcoming months.
No it isn't ignorance and I never once said something that I didn't hear from people at MU. If you don't like what I have said that's fine by me. But that won't stop me from forwarding it along.
Were any of you at the bball banquet? I ask this because I've heard from a few people that Buzz openly said he is sick of all the rumors and isn't going anywhere (I know he's a bball coach and you can't always take him at his word). He also said that he hasn't made the players who they are today and they have made him which is the reason he could never be able to leave them, kinda like last year with "I can't leave Junior, I can't leave Jae, etc".
This could have been just a nice thing to say in public to give the fans what they want to hear, or it could be the truth which is what I take it as. This all happened a month ago I'm sure that these GROWN MEN can work it out and get on the same page for the overall success of MU both on the court and off.
Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.
He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...
But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).
He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...
My gut tells me that the BOT and admin have a ton of inside information that will either confirm Buzz needs to stay or move on. I may have had knee jerk reaction that was based solely off my desire of the program being elite and not the best interest of the school in general. No doubt everyone involves knows importance of ball to the school. Hate to say it, but if something does happen in the coaching situation down the road I do think it will be a well thought out decision.So you're no longer hoping for Buzz to "stick it to 'em", with "'em" being the University we are all here to cheer for?
Good news is everyone involved has time to figure things out. Buzz very well might be a loose cannon and that might not be a good thing. Time is on everyone's side to find out what is best for all parties.
If Buzz leaves there would be a very large number of folks cancel tickets. Buzz is in th drivers seat and he school knows it. They let him get more power than they wanted and the power is growing by the hour.
Stick it to 'em Buzz.
The cover up, yes, Penn State knew who it was.
However, the lack of control leading up to that created to a culture where a cover-up was possible.
A lack of accountability for years at Penn State led to it's downfall, not one specific situation.
Unless he was physically in the room or literally on the phone at the same time as Buzz and SMU, there's no way he knows this except hearing it secondhand. Now it's being reported as fact, and soon a 10,000 page thread will result on MUScoop. I suppose now you all believe in snarks and grumpkins as well.
He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...So he promised to wait until late May? DJO is not going to be with the team next year, so promising not to leave him isn't saying much.
But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).
Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.
All the "lack of control", "created a culture" mumbo jumbo aside, Penn State's downfall was most certainly caused by a specific situation - the raping of young boys by Jerry Sandusky and the failure of the people in charge to report/put an end to it. Specific people failed the University and Sandusky's victims in specific situations. Period.
Agreed. Clowns on ESPN report possible moves, contracts, etc... all the time citing "sources." If it turns out that they were "almost right" that doesn't mean they didn't just make it up in the first place.
Mumbo jumbo?
Jerry was allowed to get away with everything for years because people worshiped at the alter of football, and JoePa.
When people know something is wrong, but NOBODY speaks up because it would hurt "the program"... that is a most certainly a culture problem.
It doesn't matter what the wrongdoing was, nobody at Penn State was speaking up, and that's the root of the issue.
So he promised to wait until late May? DJO is not going to be with the team next year, so promising not to leave him isn't saying much.
That being said, he's not going anywhere.
I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.
2007-08: Jerel McNeal
2006-07: Wesley Matthews
2005-06: Chris Grimm
2004-05: Ousmane Barro and Dan Fitzgerald
2003-04: ??? can't find it anywhere
2002-03: Terry Sanders
2001-02: Oluoma Nnamaka (it was just called the Consistency Award then)
It was absolutely a culture problem....even some of the BOT at Penn State knew about the Sandusky allegations as far back as 2009(including the now Governor of Pennsylvania who started the investigation as AG), and yet did nothing about it. That is all a culture problem. MU isn't even close to that kind of problem, just a little course correction for some of the athletics and we're all good
Mumbo jumbo?
Jerry was allowed to get away with everything for years because people worshiped at the alter of football, and JoePa.
When people know something is wrong, but NOBODY speaks up because it would hurt "the program"... that is a most certainly a culture problem.
It doesn't matter what the wrongdoing was, nobody at Penn State was speaking up, and that's the root of the issue.
When the PEOPLE in charge know something is wrong and cover it up, it's the fault of the PEOPLE in charge. Blaming dereliction of duty on something amorphous like the culture is a copout.
I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.
2007-08: Jerel McNeal
2006-07: Wesley Matthews
2005-06: Chris Grimm
2004-05: Ousmane Barro and Dan Fitzgerald
2003-04: ??? can't find it anywhere
2002-03: Terry Sanders
2001-02: Oluoma Nnamaka (it was just called the Consistency Award then)
Jason King just reported on ESPN regarding SMU HC search:
"SMU initially went after Marquette's Buzz Williams who was very close to taking the job before backing out at the last second..."
Wow. Perhaps it was much closer and serious than we thought. Incredible.
King is a pretty solid source and that quote is pretty definitive.
How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset? How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players? Young men 18-22 make mistakes.
Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over. Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days. Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...
How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset? How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players? Young men 18-22 make mistakes.
Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over. Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days. Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...
Complete. Rubbish.
Complete. Rubbish.
Complete. Rubbish.And it's rubbish because......
And it's rubbish because......
Buzz is not MU's Number one asset?
Young men 18-22 shouldn't be expected to make mistakes?
The "new" MU administration is not arrogant and believes it has all the answers?
It would be easy to replace Buzz without missing a beat?
Please advise.
It's rubbish because Marquette basketball is more than just one man. We have made the S16 with three of the last four coaches. If Buzz leaves, it would be difficult to replace him, but hardly impossible.
It's rubbish because Marquette basketball is more than just one man. We have made the S16 with three of the last four coaches. If Buzz leaves, it would be difficult to replace him, but hardly impossible.
Ners I said "difficult but not impossible.". Do you honestly think that is wrong? If so than you either think too much of buzz or not enough of marquette.
MU had exactly 2 Sweet 16 appearances from 1977 until 2011...Buzz just got us 2 in a row. Who is the last coach to take us to multiple Sweet 16's? Which coaches shot Marquette down after Crean left (even though we were already in the Big East and had the Al McGuire center)? Has Buzz missed an NCAA tourney since he's been here? Do we think next year's team will miss the NCAA's? Who is last coach to take us to 5 consecutive NCAA's? MU struck gold in both Tom Crean and Buzz Williams. To think Top 100 talent (and coaches) are just beating down the door to come to MU is the height of optimism and or arrogance. Kids come to play for a 95% for a coach, maybe 5% for the school...especially when not named Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, UCLA.
What is so different about our program now, than when Crean left MU from the perspective of MU being an attractive destination for a highly regarded coach/upcoming coach. Bennett, Keno Davis, Anthony Grant all said thanks MU, but no thanks.
Sadly Sultan, it is your view that scares the hell out of me, as I can see the same view being held in administration...and quite frankly, it is arrogant and misguided.
Ners I said "difficult but not impossible.". Do you honestly think that is wrong? If so than you either think too much of buzz or not enough of marquette.I think Ners has proven both of those to be the case.
MU had exactly 2 Sweet 16 appearances from 1977 until 2011...Buzz just got us 2 in a row. Who is the last coach to take us to multiple Sweet 16's? Which coaches shot Marquette down after Crean left (even though we were already in the Big East and had the Al McGuire center)? Has Buzz missed an NCAA tourney since he's been here? Do we think next year's team will miss the NCAA's? Who is last coach to take us to 5 consecutive NCAA's? MU struck gold in both Tom Crean and Buzz Williams. To think Top 100 talent (and coaches) are just beating down the door to come to MU is the height of optimism and or arrogance. Kids come to play for a 95% for a coach, maybe 5% for the school...especially when not named Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, UCLA.
What is so different about our program now, than when Crean left MU from the perspective of MU being an attractive destination for a highly regarded coach/upcoming coach. Bennett, Keno Davis, Anthony Grant all said thanks MU, but no thanks.
Sadly Sultan, it is your view that scares the hell out of me, as I can see the same view being held in administration...and quite frankly, it is arrogant and misguided.
I think there is some truth here... but even if you are 100% right, what is MU supposed to do?Apparently it is the opinion of some that they also need to let Buzz and his subordinates do whatever they want with no repercussions whatsoever. Basically Buzz should really be the one making decisions for Marquette, deferring to Pilarz and the BOT on issues he deems unworthy of his time.
They already pay Buzz very well. They give him a private plane and what appears like a ton of support from the athletic office.
What else should they be doing to hang onto the golden goose?
MU certainly isn't the hottest girl at the dance, but MU seems to be doing the best it can (given what it is working with).
I think there is some truth here... but even if you are 100% right, what is MU supposed to do?
They already pay Buzz very well. They give him a private plane and what appears like a ton of support from the athletic office.
What else should they be doing to hang onto the golden goose?
MU certainly isn't the hottest girl at the dance, but MU seems to be doing the best it can (given what it is working with).
Off court issues....Jesus...getting WAY blown out of proportion. Have Buzz or MU or the players for that matter ever been allowed to tell their side of the story as to all of the off court "incidents." The bar fight the local media floated insinuating that DJO left somebody in a really bad way..perhaps using a bottle to hit someone?? Totally false. Kids weren't even drinking at a club for God sakes. Anyone know what some local townie punk kids might have said to instigate things?
The local media are on a witch hunt...period...and MU continues to take a kitten approach to the witch hunt. MU continues to allow itself to be bullied by the local media..and the only way you back down the bully is to bully back.
They*** being the previous administration/regime...the new regime?? Questionable at best. Saying you want to "help Buzz become a better coach," and that he "ties his tie too tight to where he will either offend someone beyond repair or himself," isn't exactly the stuff a sensible A.D., would quote to a local newspaper. Has Larry Williams ever been a Head Coach at a Division 1 school?? No..yet he's gonna help Buzz become a better coach? Arrogant. Don't care who you are, if you are being honest with yourself...you really don't like your new boss of roughly 90 days calling you out in the local newspaper after you've toiled 4 years on gotten the program's best results in 40 years.
The issue is the accountibility of Buzz. He is not the boss. He does not run the University.All coaches answer to the AD. But publicly calling the coach out is a very poor and IMO stupid approach by LW. It smacks of arrogance at a time when harmony, support and continuity are needed. Some tact would go a long way in smoothing things over.
The air and space museum in Tucson is pretty sweet. couple of hogs there on display.
All coaches answer to the AD. But publicly calling the coach out is a very poor and IMO stupid approach by LW. It smacks of arrogance at a time when harmony, support and continuity are needed. Some tact would go a long way in smoothing things over.
Calling out a coach in the local newspaper who has been the most successful coach of the university's flagship program since Al McGuire is idiotic. What credentials does Larry Williams have that make him qualified to "help Buzz become a better coach?"
If anyone can find anything similar - where an A.D., calls out a coach who is probably the best coach in the country under the age of 40, and overall probably a Top 10 desired coach in college basketball, who does not embarrass the university through his own personal conduct...I'd love to see an example of it.
Ners. Regarding LW comments: that isn't arrogant. All bosses want to improve their employees. My boss cannot do my job but if he said that he wanted to help me be better, I would be happy.
Re the media: fighting back would only make it worse. Believe me.
Calling out a coach in the local newspaper who has been the most successful coach of the university's flagship program since Al McGuire is idiotic. What credentials does Larry Williams have that make him qualified to "help Buzz become a better coach?"
If anyone can find anything similar - where an A.D., calls out a coach who is probably the best coach in the country under the age of 40, and overall probably a Top 10 desired coach in college basketball, who does not embarrass the university through his own personal conduct...I'd love to see an example of it.
Buzz has never played D1 ball, but he has called out his own players, specifically Gardner even after Gardner plays well. Just sayin'.Just sayin'? Gardner was recruited by Buzz. He's here because of Buzz. LW did not recruit Buzz. Buzz is not here because of LW and at this point may be here in spite of it. Buzz is not his guy. You may not like it, but, the program revolves around Buzz, not around the AD.
In your opinion, are Larry's comment enough to make Buzz leave MU? What can/should MU do to keep Buzz? Should Pilarz consider firing Larry for his comments?
Just sayin'? Gardner was recruited by Buzz. He's here because of Buzz. LW did not recruit Buzz. Buzz is not here because of LW and at this point may be here in spite of it. Buzz is not his guy. You may not like it, but, the program revolves around Buzz, not around the AD.
this King interview has no substance. Is that what this whole thread was started on!?
OK, how about the guys Buzz didn't recruit and bitched out in practice? I think he had some sharp public comments about Acker as well, but I'd have to go back and look.It was working fine til the AD dissed him in public. Praise in public, criticize in private. Even the least tactful person in a high profile position, like a BE AD should have acquired this basic skill. He has been promoted beyond his ability and I hope his OJT does not cost us the best coach we have had in years.
Again, Buzz is not this thin skinned, and IF LW's comments are what caused all of this, then maybe Buzz should've gone ahead and taken the SMU gig because this is never going to work.
ATWizGoose, IMO MU does not have a wild program. So, following your claim that Buzz is losing the battle, I can only hope that the admin sobers up before it reverses us to the pre-Crean era.
You are making big assumption that things were smooth prior to LW coming on board. He made stupid comments in the media but he is not the root of the problem. By now I think everyone understands that MU does not want a wild program, either on/off the court or in recruiting. It all comes down to control/power and Buzz is probably losing the fight.
Goose, IMO MU does not have a wild program. So, following your claim that Buzz is losing the battle, I can only hope that the admin sobers up before it reverses us to the pre-Crean era.
well, then, that's the problem. And those who agree, after Buzz is run off don't complain about reverting to high mid major status.
Just from reading between the lines of a lot of posts here, I get the feeling that they really wouldn't mind that, if it kept MU off the front page of the Trib.
Just listened to the King interview on ESPN.
No substance. None what so ever. Nada. Zilch. Zippo.
Did your hear that Durley has a 195 mph fastball?
I appreciate Goose and Sultan's (and others), who have friends, relatives, lovers, spies, moles, and confidants that walk the campus and pick up pieces of intel to share with us.
Keep sharing. However, this King interview has no substance. Is that what this whole thread was started on!?
Help me Mr. Wizard (for you younger folks, look it up).
Here we go again. No facts. Some talking head on ESPN is doing what he is paid to do...throw out some comments, and see what sticks.
Is there any coincidence that King's comments were made in the same time frame of Brown considering the LSU job? Not sure yet how to connect all the dots yet, but something kinda smells.
It was working fine til the AD dissed him in public. Praise in public, criticize in private. Even the least tactful person in a high profile position, like a BE AD should have acquired this basic skill. He has been promoted beyond his ability and I hope hos OJT does not cost us the best coach we have had in years.
Here is where you lose me.
I don't think Buzz is that thin skinned, nor do I think LW comments were as bad as people make them out to be. I cannot imagine that is the reason Buzz would leave to take the SMU job.
If Buzz is really that thin skinned, then he really should move on. Buzz has said things far more harsh about his own players.
2002 - A coach can call out players..it is what a coach does. It's one thing if this is the Barry Alvarez and Bret Bielima gig...where one has coaching skins o. The wall and hand selected his predecessor. Totally different in this scenario. Buzz is bigger than LW..way bigger..as are any top flight high major coaches in basketball or football. How many schools are going to try to hire Larry Williams away from MU? What value does Larry Williams brig to MU? Why r college basketball and football coaches the highest paid at universities??
I can't believe you keep repeating this mantra. Of course Buzz wouldn't leave over a couple of comments (no matter how douchie) by LW in the newspaper. Those comments are just a reflexion of a work environment that's deteriorated from ideal to not so hot in the past year for Buzz. This started before LW arrived.
I'm not focused on the quotes.Oh no 2002. Let's not bring guns, esp. Smoking ones into it now!! (This is sarcasm)s sarcasm)
That just seems to be the smoking gun that everybody is using to blame MU for why Buzz would consider leaving. Everybody uses that as some sort of stone cold proof.
I just don't see it.
MU appears to have done a lot of things right with hoops lately, and have supported Buzz financially. When/where is all of the deterioration co
I'm not focused on the quotes.
That just seems to be the smoking gun that everybody is using to blame MU for why Buzz would consider leaving. Everybody uses that as some sort of stone cold proof.
I just don't see it.
MU appears to have done a lot of things right with hoops lately, and have supported Buzz financially. When/where is all of the deterioration coming from?
it smells more like the DiUlio regime than the Wild regime...
This is a whole new administration, and it smells more like the DiUlio regime than the Wild regime...
The MU that has done a lot of things right with hoops lately, is largely no longer around - as in Father Wild, Bill Cords, and Steve Cottingham. This is a whole new administration, and it smells more like the DiUlio regime than the Wild regime...
I can't believe you keep repeating this mantra. Of course Buzz wouldn't leave over a couple of comments (no matter how douchie) by LW in the newspaper. Those comments are just a reflexion of a work environment that's deteriorated from ideal to not so hot in the past year for Buzz. This started before LW arrived.
Fine, but what is MU supposed to do? Buzz has to have a boss. He has to be accountable to SOMEBODY at SOME POINT, right?
You don't like Larry. Fine. Should it be Pilarz directly? What if they have "issues"? Should Buzz report to the Pope?
Buzz is VERY VALUABLE to MU, but just about every person in the world has a boss and is held accountable for their performance.
What is MU doing/saying that Buzz doesn't like? From the outside looking in, MU appears to have provided him with a lot, and in turn , he has been very successful.
According to whom? The mystery quotes that made Buzz so mad he wanted to leave? (ALLEGEDLY)
Cottingham was ROASTED (unfairly) by some around here when he was hired. Now he's the gold standard?
Why are people so afraid of Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz? Dear Lord.
Maybe we all need to start debating how long and AD and President get before we can evaluate them. Can it be more than 6 months?
Is that the Pima Air Museum? Great collection of aircraft. I woould wander the yard if I had a few hours to kill. That's down near Fred Enke which is a sweet desert course we always played
It was working fine til the AD dissed him in public. Praise in public, criticize in private. Even the least tactful person in a high profile position, like a BE AD should have acquired this basic skill. He has been promoted beyond his ability and I hope hos OJT does not cost us the best coach we have had in years.
i still haven't heard anything from a reliable source as to the background of this comment. for all i know AD walks in Buzz' office, comment on how hilarious his dance was at WV since the jerks are leaving the BEAST, and then asks buzz if he's cool with the AD coming down on him a bit publicly for the dance. smu calls to talk to buzz, and buzz says heck yeah i want to talk to them and be respectful to help get my assistant a job...and rumors start flying.
i'm not sure anyone with true insight into the BOT or upper admin is going to be posting it on the internet...and i think a lot of rumors get spread because people like to act like they know people.
This whole thread is dumb. Buzz has always stated he likes being at MU because its culture matches his. So if he did in fact listen to SMU why would that surprise anyone?? A Christian school very close to home, that is attempting to join the bigtime I am not surprised that he would listen. What would of surprised me was if he actually took it... And he is still at MU so whats the big deal?
Have you ever worked for Fr Wild, Steve Cottingham, Fr Pilarz or Larry Williams? Do you even know any of them? Yet you'll "Dear Lord" the guy who has for being happy and comfortable with the guys who hired him but not so much with the guys who inherited him and maybe aren't so wild about him. (no pun intended) Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
Your sarcasm and yelling aside, of course Buzz has to report to someone and I don't think anyone suggested it be the Pope. Was there any "boss" problem when he was reporting to Fr Wild and Steve Cottingham? No. When Arkansas and Oklahoma came after him he wasn't interested. He didn't want to mess with happy. This year he reports to Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams and when SMU (a far lesser program) came calling he listened and listened hard. He obviously doesn't consider his new work environment conducive to happy. You can't fathom him not being happy because MU's checks aren't bouncing. Unfortunately, he can.Forget it.
Ners I said "difficult but not impossible.". Do you honestly think that is wrong? If so than you either think too much of buzz or not enough of marquette.
Well, there are few guarantees in life, but this comes close to being one: Marquette will have to replace Buzz someday.
Probably before the decade ends, possibly before the decade reaches its midway point and perhaps as early as a year from now.
It's college coaching. It's what happens.
Can we make this the last post of the thread and then lock it? This says it all. Well-put.
Well, there are few guarantees in life, but this comes close to being one: Marquette will have to replace Buzz someday.
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened. To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU. Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only: Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded.
The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year, during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power. If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.
Calling out a coach in the local newspaper who has been the most successful coach of the university's flagship program since Al McGuire is idiotic. What credentials does Larry Williams have that make him qualified to "help Buzz become a better coach?"Like it or not, that quote was made immediately following an incident in which Buzz's personal conduct could have been seen as embarrassing to the university. So your hypothetical doesn't even match this case, let alone others.
If anyone can find anything similar - where an A.D., calls out a coach who is probably the best coach in the country under the age of 40, and overall probably a Top 10 desired coach in college basketball, who does not embarrass the university through his own personal conduct...I'd love to see an example of it.
And it's rubbish because......
Buzz is not MU's Number one asset?
Young men 18-22 shouldn't be expected to make mistakes?
The "new" MU administration is not arrogant and believes it has all the answers?
It would be easy to replace Buzz without missing a beat?
Please advise.
Like it or not, that quote was made immediately following an incident in which Buzz's personal conduct could have been seen as embarrassing to the university. So your hypothetical doesn't even match this case, let alone others.
Rubbish for any number of reasons.Funny that many here know you predicted MU would go into the toilet if it hired Buzz Williams..remember all of your backlash about the "process?" And if you'd read my previous post - I'd already pointed out why The Al Mc Guire Center, a STRONGER Big East, recent success weren't enough to land even a highly regarded young coach like Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett, or even your boy Keno Davis. Lastly D Wade, and all of the other recent NBA players (did Marquette make them NBA players or did Crean and Buzz make them NBA players?) To suggest Marquette University made those guys NBA basketball players is ludicrous as are most* of your points.
1) During the Mike Deane era, which the said poster implies we would be on a crash course to land in, did not have:
The Big East
The Al McGuire Center
A Final Four, two additional Sweet 16's and 8 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
#2 Basketball budget in the country
Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Jimmy Butler, Wesley Matthews, Lazar Hayward, etc playing in the NBA night in and night out as MU billboards
The Deane era had none of that. Is Ners suggesting we are going to tear down the Al center? Are we leaving the Big East? Are all those MU NBA players quitting? Are they stripping us from our Final Four and NCAA success? Even if we were to pull back on the budget from #2 to say #15, it will hardly cripple us and send us back to the future. COMPLETE. RUBBISH.
4) The same guys that say MU will go into the toilet if Buzz leaves are the exact same guys that predicted the former coach would be fired by now at his new gig. We're supposed to believe their predictions about impending doom for MU but ignore their past predictions that have so completely wrong? I find the humor in their predictions to be just a bit sprinkled with hypocrisy and a healthy layer of bias in both of these examples.
Complete. Rubbish.
3) Marquette is its own #1 asset. Without MU, Buzz isn’t the coach. MU isn’t MU because of Buzz. He doesn’t walk on water. He is a terrific coach, tireless worker but he makes mistakes, too (Durley, Roseboro, Clark, Newbill). No one is irreplaceable.
4) The same guys that say MU will go into the toilet if Buzz leaves are the exact same guys that predicted the former coach would be fired by now at his new job. We're supposed to believe their predictions about impending doom for MU if Buzz leaves, but ignore their past predictions that have been so completely wrong?
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened. To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU. Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only: Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded.
The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year, during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power. If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.
i still haven't heard anything from a reliable source as to the background of this comment. for all i know AD walks in Buzz' office, comment on how hilarious his dance was at WV since the jerks are leaving the BEAST, and then asks buzz if he's cool with the AD coming down on him a bit publicly for the dance. smu calls to talk to buzz, and buzz says heck yeah i want to talk to them and be respectful to help get my assistant a job...and rumors start flying.
i'm not sure anyone with true insight into the BOT or upper admin is going to be posting it on the internet...and i think a lot of rumors get spread because people like to act like they know people.
2) Marquette can hire another coach. We have won with other coaches in the past and will again in the future. Sultan does a nice job of explaining why.
3) Marquette is its own #1 asset. Without MU, Buzz isn’t the coach. MU isn’t MU because of Buzz. He doesn’t walk on water. He is a terrific coach, tireless worker but he makes mistakes, too (Durley, Roseboro, Clark, Newbill). No one is irreplaceable.
It's a little daffy to argue the impact of losing Buzz. Ok, it's not daffy. Galacticly stupid.
It would be huge in the short term, COULD be huge in the long term.
It would take X seasons to recover. Whether X is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 .. is unknown since you can't predict which players would transfer, which recruits would decommit, of which there would certainly be a few.
It's not easy to compete in the BE / rebuild a coaching staff and fill out a team. What's the success rate of new coaches? How many hires look great, then 6 years later, you're lounging in the lower half of your incredibly tough conference?
Then there's the concept that Buzz is indeed, one of the top 25 coaches around. Hard to predict MU could poach another Top 25 coach, or pull a "Buzz" out of a hat, which looking back, was a lottery win that a ton of people doubted.
Then add in "how" Buzz would leave. If it looks like MU's administration is viewed as making it difficult for the program to succeed due to strict requirements / made the current program difficult to manage .. presto, you have a program potential coaches would shun.
There's no getting around it .. MU got lucky when Buzz replaced Crean. Could we get as lucky a 2nd time?
There is an certain chance MU doesn't recover for 10 years, not 1-5 years due to those factors. I think most of us would consider that a huge, huge blow.
I figured someone would point this out...problem is MU and society to an extent have become overly politically correct. Al McGuire's behavior was revered - standing on scorer's tables etc. The over-reaction of the MU administration to Buzz's West Virginia dance was further evidence that "fun" can no longer be had at MU. Buzz's dance after the Louisville game where DJO did the follow up dunk, and his West Virginia dance - went viral - and by and large anyone with a spirit of fun could appreciate the exuberance. But not the self righteous among our fanbase/administration.So you made a comment that you knew to be incorrect and misleading and then waited for someone to point it out before justifying it with some bs explanation that society is the problem?
Regarding #2: Duh! Not only "can" Marquette hire a new coach, I'll go so far as to say that if Buzz leaves Marquette will hire a new coach. Has anyone suggested that if Buzz leaves MU will drop basketball? Have we won with other coaches? Yes. Have we also lost with other coaches? Also yes. So, pointless and complete rubbish.
Regarding #3: Marrquette had assets the last time we needed a coach: the Al, the Big East, 3 consecutive NCAA appearances, a recent Final 4, etc. Yet nobody worthy in your/chicos eyes wanted anything to do with Marquette. MU hit a home run with a guy your faction didn't think was worthy of the job, yet I gather you think this time it'll be easy to go find another diamond in the rough to replace him. Again. Complete. Rubbish.
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened.
To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU. Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only: Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded.
The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year,
during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power.
If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.
It didn't though. So I can be 100% certain that my own speculation that this was one of the biggest unflushed turds of a non-story (and a three-week old turd, to boot, ESPN's Jason King!) is 100% accurate.Dreamin' is free lab warrior.
Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012. We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL. You're the REAL heroes.
Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.
Hearsay. Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure. Got it.
Concidence. Oh, wait, that's right, Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz are double secret agents bent on destroying Marquette basketball. No one denies this. Forgot.
None of this has happened. Remember the statement a few weeks ago, where Buzz said he's Marquette's basketball coach?
Calm down already. This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush. "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!"
Buzz is our coach. He's staying as our coach. I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking.
But he might leave, too. And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic. No, sad.
You can't compare replacing Crean with Buzz to what will happen if Buzz is replaced by X.
At best Crean had plateaued as to where the program was if not come back down from the highs of the '03 and '04. Right now I'd argue that Buzz has this program at heights even Crean didn't achieve. So we are that much higher and that much higher to fall. If Buzz were to leave, players could leave(especially if its an admin "force out") and recruiting classes fall apart. Personally I think we are looking very good to make a DEEP run in 2013, the admin wants to blow that up over a media black eye? I don't get it.
At best Crean had plateaued? Maybe he had, but if that is the case what is the at worse scenario? I believe Buzz's first team (which would have been Crean's had he not left) was his second best team. The DJ injury was huge. How far that team could have gone we will never know.And those who were offended by the manner in which Crean left will argue that overall they are much happier with Buzz than with Crean and that Buzz has reached at least equal heights.
I would change your comment about reaching even heights to say Buzz has consistently had great results. The problem with Crean (there were many) is that he had great highs but awful lows. Until Buzz gets to a Final Four it will be hard for most fans to argue he has reached the same heights, at least in a single point of excellence. What Buzz has done so well is avoiding the dropoffs, but he hasn't quite hit the big homerun that Crean's team did in 2003. For those that focus only on the postseason success, that is the criteria they will use.
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened. To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU. Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only: Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded.
The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year, during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power. If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc13/jdexin/TV%20Shows/bowdownmaster.gif)Yes, we all know that at some point he is going to leave. Stop kicking around the obvious. The circumstances of that leaving is what is being debated in this thread.
And you know this how that your letter writing campaign saved Buzz Williams from going to SMU? Your 100% confidence comes from where? It had nothing to do with grown adults sitting down, talking through what the goals of the program are, the issues that have put MU in the the spotlight for the wrong reasons, and finally getting to a point where everyone can collectively hold hands and move forward.
At some point, he is going to leave. You do realize this, right?
Absolutely spot on, Topper. Marquette won the lottery when Al was hired in 1964. Looks like we may have won it again in 2008. Expecting a third mini-miracle if Buzz leaves (especially if he looks pushed or unhappy) is galacticly stupid.
+1 .. I'd add that the root cause of Buzz going unhappy is the academic and off-court behavior of some players .. that's what got the ball rolling.
You guys have a very narrowly focused view of the world. You sure are pessimists. Did MU get lucky with Kevin O'Neill? Did they get lucky with Tom Crean? Did they get lucky with Buzz Williams? Did they get lucky with Hank Raymonds?
At best Crean had plateaued? Maybe he had, but if that is the case what is the at worse scenario? I believe Buzz's first team (which would have been Crean's had he not left) was his second best team. The DJ injury was huge. How far that team could have gone we will never know.
I would change your comment about reaching even heights to say Buzz has consistently had great results. The problem with Crean (there were many) is that he had great highs but awful lows. Until Buzz gets to a Final Four it will be hard for most fans to argue he has reached the same heights, at least in a single point of excellence. What Buzz has done so well is avoiding the dropoffs, but he hasn't quite hit the big homerun that Crean's team did in 2003. For those that focus only on the postseason success, that is the criteria they will use.
Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure. Got it.I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!
I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!
All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.
three coaches were contactedI only know of one that was contacted. I would assume others were, but I have no knowledge of it.
It didn't though. So I can be 100% certain that my own speculation that this was one of the biggest unflushed turds of a non-story (and a three-week old turd, to boot, ESPN's Jason King!) is 100% accurate.
Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012. We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL. You're the REAL heroes.
Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.
Hearsay. Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure. Got it.
Concidence. Oh, wait, that's right, Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz are double secret agents bent on destroying Marquette basketball. No one denies this. Forgot.
None of this has happened. Remember the statement a few weeks ago, where Buzz said he's Marquette's basketball coach?
Calm down already. This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush. "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!"
Buzz is our coach. He's staying as our coach. I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking.
But he might leave, too. And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic. No, sad.
I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!
All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.
Sand Sharks may be the best movie ever
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/Napalm, baby
Come on guys, you should all know by now why Buzz didn't go to SMU.
Bo Ryan wouldn't let him.
Listen - Am I going to sob if Buzz leaves? Hell no. I happen to love MU basketball and it is my Number 1 rooting interest. Sure won't be as much fun to watch an NIT caliber program, as what we've had the last 10 years...and when a guy widely respected within college basketball circles for the most part gets run off by an overly zealous administration...good luck finding a high caliber replacement that will want to walk in to an environment not conducive to success.I'll probably sob a little if Buzz leaves. That has nothing to do with your constant chicken-little attitude that Marquette will certainly become SLU or "an NIT caliber program" overnight if he does.
Lastly - cynics will always cynics, and you can walk around with your head in the sand and are entitled to your opinion. The reality is that it was very, very close to Buzz leaving...
I'll probably sob a little if Buzz leaves. That has nothing to do with your constant chicken-little attitude that Marquette will certainly become SLU or "an NIT caliber program" overnight if he does.you are naïve to think that the admin will have an easy time replacing Buzz with another highly successful coach especially if it is perceived that Buzz was run off.
HoopBuzz has gotten us two Sweet 16's now and the bar is set so impossibly high that we're destined to be an "NIT caliber team" the moment he decides to go elsewhere. I'd hate to imagine how low we'd fall if we had any real tournament success, like more than Xavier regularly accomplishes.
The hiring of KO and TC was accomplished by a search committee that had being an elite program as a priority. Twice since Al there was a heightened sense of urgency and the search was for excellence. Obviously luck was involved to get the result, but the committee took as much risk out of the hire as possible. Hiring of MD and Buzz were two different issues, but both added risk to the hire. Hiring of Hank was far from luck and without doubt IMO was an unlucky hire. Since Hank wanted to remain he had to be hired.
The biggest issue in making coaching changes is the possibility of making a big mistake. We currently are a top 20 program and that could work in our favor or work against us. The higher the bar set by previous guy makes next hire more difficult.
you are naïve to think that the admin will have an easy time replacing Buzz with another highly successful coach especially if it is perceived that Buzz was run off.Yes, we all know that you think that. You've been repeating it for two pages. You and others have a very pessimistic attitude about the ability of the school you apparently root for to find a new coach who can win basketball games. No one has said it will be easy. The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible. Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face. But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not. We just might continue to be successful.
And what do your sources say the REAL current situation is? Is Buzz still unhappy with administration? Are they unhappy with Buzz? Is their relationship improving? Deteriorating? Is Buzz being pushed? Does Buzz want to leave?I haven't heard anything lately.
Yes, we all know that you think that. You've been repeating it for two pages. You and others have a very pessimistic attitude about the ability of the school you apparently root for to find a new coach who can win basketball games. No one has said it will be easy. The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible. Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face. But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not. We just might continue to be successful.The school I apparently root for? Your counter is that we might fall on our face but that we might not? It is to laugh.
And all of this is stupid and unnecessary because we're not looking for a coach and almost assuredly won't be in the near future, for at least the next 11 months. Let's just try to keep the guy we have.
The school I apparently root for? Your counter is that we might fall on our face but that we might not? It is to laugh.As opposed to your opinion that we would definitely fall on our face?
Yes, we all know that at some point he is going to leave. Stop kicking around the obvious. The circumstances of that leaving is what is being debated in this thread.
[quote author=TJ link=topic=32248.msg386536#msg386536 date=133486 The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible. Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face. But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not. We just might continue to be successful.
So you're sayin' there's a chance...
In 31 years between Al and Buzz MU had 6 coaches. Buzz is superior to all of them, some by a country mile. I guess we might get "Crean lucky" or "O'Neil lucky" but it's a very, very longshot we'll get "Buzz lucky".
That is a subjective opinion. Are you basing superior coach to NCAA tournament success? Conference championships? Regular season wins? What you see with your eyes? Graduation rates? Kids staying out of trouble? His use of timeouts?
He is a really good coach. Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years? That is your opinion and nothing more.
I respect and appreciate what Crean did for MU. 190 wins over 9 seasons is pretty darn good. Having said that, how many coaches have managed to go to back-to-back NIT's with two future NBA players on their team?
Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012. We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL. You're the REAL heroes.
Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.
Calm down already. This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush. "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!"
Buzz is our coach. He's staying as our coach. I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking.
But he might leave, too. And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic. No, sad.
With injuries factored in like the MU seasons you are talking about? I would agree the 190 wins in 9 seasons is pretty darn good. The 160 wins in the last 7 seasons is more impressive once his guys showed up. Buzz's 96 wins in four seasons is every bit as impressive, on average one more win per year.The NIT? Sorry. My expectations are higher than the NIT.
The list is long. Look at the NIT teams of the past twenty years and their rosters. Some good coaches and programs on that list.
MU has had many terrific coaches pace the sidelines. If Buzz leaves, we will continue to do that. The job is a very good one.
Don't falter, troopers, only 95 pages or so to go.
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches?
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches? We just went through this 4 years ago when Crean left. We had the stronger Big East, The Al McGuire Center, recent Final Four trip, D-Wade, a few consecutive NCAA appearances - yet Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett and Keno Davis all said "Thanks, but no thanks." Why? Couple this with MU currently having one of the most successful young coaches in the land - and if he leaves it will be due to an overbearing administration...who's going to want to sign up for that, that can actually hold his own in the recruiting world?What questions should I have answered before this post? I don't remember any of this being asked before now. There are a ton of questions here though, so forgive me if I miss something...
TJ or Hoop - Do you feel that just by virtue of MU's past basketball legacy, the Marquette school name will make recruits want to come here...and the amazing academics will turn some of these kids into NBA caliber players? Is the success of a program (and players development) not directly correlated to the coach who heads the program?I feel these are stupid questions that have nothing to do with hiring a coach. I certainly don't want to lose Buzz, luckily he's still here. If he were to leave for any reason, MU would hire a new coach to do those things. It is not a foregone conclusion that he wouldn't be good at it.
What in our past history makes you think we can hire (and retain) a home run coach??Not trying to get into an argument with Lenny/PRR/4ever here, but the fact that we did it the last two times we tried gives me some confidence.
Let's remember DiUlio pretty much ran off Kevin O'Neill...T.C chose to leave because he felt recruiting to MU would never give him a chance at a National Title...and now Buzz - he was on track to be a long term guy...yet it appears we have DiUlio 2.0 at the helm...DiUlio is gone. He is not making decisions at MU. TC chose to leave for TC's own reasons, they have no bearing on Buzz or whoever is the next guy. I am not willing to annoint the new administration DiUlio 2.0 because Larry Williams was quoted as saying something that Ners didn't like. I'm sure they are highly qualified individuals. They will do the best they can and you can rest assured that your fear that they set a goal of turning MU into SLU is not based in reality.
Marquette would be able to get a great replacement if Buzz were to depart the pattern. Top program in a top conference stocked with talent? This ain't an SMU rebuilding gig.We could not get a named replacvement when Crean left.
We could not get a named replacvement when Crean left.
We could not get a named replacvement when Crean left.Thank you! Add to that a new administration that seems intent on deemphasizing basketball, or at least reducing spending, and there's a headlight at the end of the tunnel.
NersWhat the hell was I typing for 35 minutes? How about you guys tell us how you can be 100% sure MU would botch the next coaching hire and end up NIT bound for the foreseeable future?
You will never get firm answers to your legit questions. It is far easier to say you are wrong in your thoughts.
Ners
You will never get firm answers to your legit questions. It is far easier to say you are wrong in your thoughts.
What the hell was I typing for 35 minutes? How about you guys tell us how you can be 100% sure MU would botch the next coaching hire and end up NIT bound for the foreseeable future?
Here's what I am sure of: We currently have a great coach who has brought us to the brink of elite status. So, unless the administration has made a decision to deemphasize BB, why run Buzz off so that we have to go through the process of finding a new Buzz? We already have what we need.
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches? I don't think it would. I think we would probably hire an assistant, or at best a 2nd tier mid-major coach. We just went through this 4 years ago when Crean left. And we came out of it quite well, wouldn't you say? We had the stronger Big East, The Al McGuire Center, recent Final Four trip, D-Wade, a few consecutive NCAA appearances - yet Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett and Keno Davis all said "Thanks, but no thanks." Why? Who knows? Who cares? They had their reasons. Somehow MU still ended up with a great coach. I think it would probably happen again, and it's not as big a deal as the media wants to make it if you reach for a couple stars and they say no. There are many, many candidates out there. Couple this with MU currently having one of the most successful young coaches in the land - and if he leaves it will be due to an overbearing administration...who's going to want to sign up for that, that can actually hold his own in the recruiting world? I think you vastly overestimate the effect this would have. It would deter some (Shaka would be out), but most would believe they could be the one to make it work. Plus, for many it would be worth the trouble to get their shot. Plus you cite the fact that Pliarz and LW didn't hire Buzz as one problem - that wouldn't be a problem for a new hire.
TJ or Hoop - Do you feel that just by virtue of MU's past basketball legacy, the Marquette school name will make recruits want to come here no...and the amazing academics will turn some of these kids into NBA caliber players absolutely no? You do realize they would hire another coach, right? One that had his own recruiting skills who players will want to play for. Maybe different players, but how could you sit here today and with certainty say that they couldn't be any good? Is the success of a program (and players development) not directly correlated to the coach who heads the program? Yes. Do you really believe that Buzz is the only person qualified to do these things? What in our past history makes you think we can hire (and retain) a home run coach?? The fact that we did it the last two times we tried gives me some confidence. If Buzz were to leave after four or five years, with all he's said and all the school has done for him, I won't believe we could retain any coach. Let's remember DiUlio pretty much ran off Kevin O'Neill DiUlio is gone....T.C chose to leave because he felt recruiting to MU would never give him a chance at a National Title not relevant to this discussion....and now Buzz - he was on track to be a long term guy...yet it appears we have DiUlio 2.0 at the helm...I'm not willing to write off the current administration because they might fail. Or because of hearsay about how they want to de-emphasize basketball even though all evidence over the last 10 years (granted - new regime) points to the contrary.
Goose - I do feel TJ made some good points/counter arguments to my position...as I cannot say with 100% confidence MU will end up in the toilet if Buzz leaves. My bigger issue is that we are even at this point. The new admin walked into a situation with a freaking lottery ticket practically, and in 1-year's time they've just about ripped it up and put us in a position to where we could be in scramble mode to HOPEFULLY hire a competent replacement...and because of this very dynamic..I am not very bullish on their chances at success...Thank you Ners.
Larry Williams has nowhere near the skins on the wall Buzz Williams does...period. Larry Williams might be a smart guy, but a smart guy wouldn't ridicule/rip his biggest asset in his department in the local paper. At the end of the day, nobody is going to be lining up to hire Larry Williams...and damn near any school that has a basketball coaching vacancy would love to hire Buzz...thus Buzz is your bigger asset, and any school with any common sense should recognize and value its best assets.
Here's what I am sure of: We currently have a great coach who has brought us to the brink of elite status. So, unless the administration has made a decision to deemphasize BB, why run Buzz off so that we have to go through the process of finding a new Buzz? We already have what we need.They didn't, so good job Admin! I think everyone agrees that the status quo is the best possible outcome for years to come.
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And you know this how that your letter writing campaign saved Buzz Williams from going to SMU? Your 100% confidence comes from where? It had nothing to do with grown adults sitting down, talking through what the goals of the program are, the issues that have put MU in the the spotlight for the wrong reasons, and finally getting to a point where everyone can collectively hold hands and move forward.
At some point, he is going to leave. You do realize this, right?
In 31 years between Al and Buzz MU had 6 coaches. Buzz is superior to all of them, some by a country mile. I guess we might get "Crean lucky" or "O'Neil lucky" but it's a very, very longshot we'll get "Buzz lucky".
That is a subjective opinion. Are you basing superior coach to NCAA tournament success? Conference championships? Regular season wins? What you see with your eyes? Graduation rates? Kids staying out of trouble? His use of timeouts?
He is a really good coach. Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years? That is your opinion and nothing more.
I've been pretty distant since the loss here. Can someone please explain, in two sentences or less, what the hell is going on here?
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches? We just went through this 4 years ago when Crean left. We had the stronger Big East, The Al McGuire Center, recent Final Four trip, D-Wade, a few consecutive NCAA appearances - yet Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett and Keno Davis all said "Thanks, but no thanks." Why? Couple this with MU currently having one of the most successful young coaches in the land - and if he leaves it will be due to an overbearing administration...who's going to want to sign up for that, that can actually hold his own in the recruiting world?
TJ or Hoop - Do you feel that just by virtue of MU's past basketball legacy, the Marquette school name will make recruits want to come here...and the amazing academics will turn some of these kids into NBA caliber players? Is the success of a program (and players development) not directly correlated to the coach who heads the program? What in our past history makes you think we can hire (and retain) a home run coach?? Let's remember DiUlio pretty much ran off Kevin O'Neill...T.C chose to leave because he felt recruiting to MU would never give him a chance at a National Title...and now Buzz - he was on track to be a long term guy...yet it appears we have DiUlio 2.0 at the helm...
Thank you! Add to that a new administration that seems intent on deemphasizing basketball, or at least reducing spending, and there's a headlight at the end of the tunnel.
They took our nickname. They took our bars. They hired lesbian deans. Why wouldn't they run Buzz off? They're arrogant eggheads!
You will forgive me if I don't get too excited about the opinions, especially Lenny's highly respected one (that's for you Little Murs), that so often do not come true.
Proof that MU is deemphasizing basketball? Is this the same proof you had that Crean came up with Gold when it was proven that a marketing agency run by a member of the BOT did. So you got burned on that one and you're doubling down on this one.A. When was it "proven" that Crean didn't come up with Gold? The PR agency ( not marketing as you say) company run by the BOT member was trying to sell it. They didn't come up with it.
Lesbian deans? Why are your homophobic statements continuing? Multiple times you have made comments that are demeaning in that are and you have done this consistently in the last few months. Grow up.
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It's 2012.
The PR agency ( not marketing as you say) company run by the BOT memberGo to your corners, gentlemen. Zizzo Group -- run by BOT member Anne Zizzo is "PR + Marketing" as listed on their letterhead.
A. When was it "proven" that Crean didn't come up with Gold? The PR agency ( not marketing as you say) company run by the BOT member was trying to sell it. They didn't come up with it.
B. Great job on searching my posting history. Of course pointing out that Crocs, Segway tours and the Spanish O'Donnell's are best enjoyed by the most flamboyant among us certainly doesn't make anybody a homophobe, just a realist.
I have a family member that is part of the LGBT community. I noticed you using the term 6 months and said nothing. You used it again recently twice. We're in 2012.Why don't you just take your own sage advice and just ignore it?
Why don't you just take your own sage advice and just ignore it?Yeah. For forever. Anytime you see an injustice or ignorance raise its ugly head, run. Turn the other cheek. Always. It's what Jesus wanted.
Hoop,Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold? There are very few non-stupid team names out there. Jayhawks? Sooners? The decision to move away from Warriors is ancient history now. I know those damn liberals are ruining everything you love, but, maybe it's time to move on? Do we really even use "Golden Eagles" any more? Aren't we just "Marquette"?
You have been a big defender of the BOT, going so far as to defend them against claims of stupidity and mean spiritedness that you imagined people here have made. Then you post a link reminging us that the BOT voted UNANIMOUSLY to a) kill any chance of a return to the beloved Warriors nickname, b) drop the Golden Eagles c) turn us into the GOLD. While not accusing any idividual member of having a low IQ, your link proves beyond a doubt that as a group they are capable of making decisions (and unanimous ones at that) that define stupid.
Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold? There are very few non-stupid team names out there. Jayhawks? Sooners? The decision to move away from Warriors is ancient history now. I know those damn liberals are ruining everything you love, but, maybe it's time to move on? Do we really even use "Golden Eagles" any more? Aren't we just "Marquette"?
Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold? There are very few non-stupid team names out there. Jayhawks? Sooners? The decision to move away from Warriors is ancient history now. I know those damn liberals are ruining everything you love, but, maybe it's time to move on? Do we really even use "Golden Eagles" any more? Aren't we just "Marquette"?
The only thing worse than "Gold" was the idea that Marquette shouldn't have a nickname at all and just be Marquette.I don't know, I kinda think no nickname is better than "Gold". I think my typo "Golf" might be better than "Gold". The Marquette Golf. Still better than "Gold".
I don't know, I kinda think no nickname is better than "Gold". I think my typo "Golf" might be better than "Gold". The Marquette Golf. Still better than "Gold".
Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold?
The BOT voted 30-0 for Gold. I bet you wouldn't find 30 votes for it on this entire board (out of what? 1000?). Of course, the BOT is far wiser than the great unwashed at Scoop - I know this because Hoop tells me so.Well…I guess that puts me in not bad company then. I didn't love Gold anymore than I love Golden Eagles or Warriors. I believe in the power of words and branding, but none of those are really sticky or original.
TJ did an excellent job of answering your question, most I agree with but will add a few of my own and correct some of your assertions.
KO ran himself off, not DiUlio. He was a drunk who had some serious issues that put MU in a quandry if they ever got out. He also publicly knocked the university. Talk about a guy hitting his plateau, KO is a great example. He did what needed to be done at MU but he couldn't get that Tennessee sweatshirt on fast enough.
Where do you get the idea Keno Davis was offered?
To answer your question, Marquette is an attractive job but like any coaching job there are going to be issues of timing, geography, etc. Grant is from the south, he has since turned down Illinois and others. He is staying in the south. Bennett, his wife is from the south, did it have an impact? He is from Wisconsin, perhaps he is more intrigued by the Wisconsin job than Marquette long term. How long did Marquette try to get a coach last time? Three days?
What is the fascination of obtaining a name coach? If that was the case, your man crush Buzz Williams wouldn't be here. The greatest coach in 31 years of Marquette basketball wouldn't be roaming the sidelines.
Marquette has the history, the money, the leadership to grab a good coach. They have a small, but vocal fan base that has enough pull to make life miserable for the administration if they were to somehow tank the program. How many people here said the NC State hire last year was a bad hire. Yet they went to the Sweet 16 and are a top 15 program going into next year. How many people here said Crean would be fired by IU by now? Yet there they are, probably #1 in the country to start the season. How many people four years ago said Chris Lowery should be a candidate? On the other end of the spectrum, some mentioned John Groce back then who is now at Illinois. Maybe they were right. No one can predict the future.
You will forgive me if I don't get too excited about the opinions, especially Lenny's highly respected one (that's for you Little Murs), that so often do not come true. These are message boards filled with emotional baggage and spaghetti against the walls. We are fans, but we are not in the trenches hiring and firing basketball coaches. MU has done pretty well in that regard
Maybe the best way to look at it Ners. MU is batting 1.000 in the last 12 years of coaches. When MU decided again to make a serious play at basketball, they hired Tom Crean. Then they hired Buzz Williams. Smart people making smart decisions.
Now a few questions for you.
Where is your evidence, true evidence, that the university is looking to tank the program or bring it back to the Mike Deane era? Before you answer that, remember that Mike Deane did some of the tanking himself based on how he recruited. A better recruiter at that point of time would have done better for the program.
Secondly, do you believe Buzz should be able to do whatever he wants? Do you acknowledge the role of an AD and a President and their position to run an athletic department and university? Do you acknowledge that just because YOU think the off court issues are minor that a number of powerful alumni and administrators do not?
B. Great job on searching my posting history. Of course pointing out that Crocs, Segway tours and the Spanish O'Donnell's are best enjoyed by the most flamboyant among us certainly doesn't make anybody a homophobe, just a realist.
I mean, this is a Jesuit institution, can't we use a little Old Testament? How about the "Hand of God." I'd love to see the commentators: "The Hand of God just crushed West Virginia tonight..." "The Hand of God was unstoppable from downtown tonight..."
I always thought that the "Jacques" would be a cool nickname for Marquette.
I always thought that the "Jacques" would be a cool nickname for Marquette.
This is good. I actually laughed out loud. But a suggestion: why not "The Wrath of God?"
The Wrath of God smote the Louisville Cardinals tonight...
The Wrath of God obtained revenge for their defeat last week at Villanova...
On account of these The Wrath of God travels to The Garden...
They came up with the Gold. Again, you have been proven wrong.A. It'd be great if you provided a link suggesting the Gold nickname was from the Zizzo Group. Provide it.
"But would Marquette remain the Golden Eagles, or something entirely new? Board member Ann Zizzo, of the Zizzo Group, and her team landed on the “Gold”. The Marquette Gold. Really? But then again, the Zizzo Group also suggested we name the 27th Street Corridor “Boomgard”."
http://www.jenders.com/2009/07/29/marquette-warriors-logo/
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2005/05/marquettes-trustee-losers.html
I have a family member that is part of the LGBT community. I noticed you using the term 6 months and said nothing. You used it again recently twice. We're in 2012.
You certainly learned well, Hoop, from the Master - The Bail Bondsman. You absorbed his knowledge and rhetorical style in that now famous Backyard Summit. Your posts reflect his style and sense of morbid outrage. The Bail Bondsman must be proud, Grasshopper.What's wrong with any of what he said?
How about "The Straps?"
What's wrong with any of what he said?
This is good. I actually laughed out loud. But a suggestion: why not "The Wrath of God?"
The Wrath of God smote the Louisville Cardinals tonight...
The Wrath of God obtained revenge for their defeat last week at Villanova...
On account of these The Wrath of God travels to The Garden...
A. It'd be great if you provided a link suggesting the Gold nickname was from the Zizzo Group. Provide it.
B. I'm sorry your family member.
To help contribute to the off-topic nature of this thread (the MARCH TO 1000 pages!). Hegarty's: not even a trace. Not even a parking lot, just a field with straw covering. WTF. I came up for a wedding at Gesu today, where the hell is my favorite dive bar.
Guess I'll have to go to the bar in the new law school... (but seriously, I want to re-enroll)
How do we go about petitioning the BOT to change the name of the team to The Wrath of God? There must be a process. I cannot help but feel this would be not only the most unique name in sports but would moswt accurately reflect the savage fury of our own special brand of 40 minutes of hell. Retribution!
I did provide you several links about Zizzo and the Gold. You have yet to provide one shred about Crean and Gold. Not one.
Further, you have yet to provide any proof at all that the administration is tanking the program as you also assert.
Don't feel sorry for people that are LGBT, they are human like anyone else. It isn't a choice.
IDon't feel sorry for people that are LGBT, they are human like anyone else. It isn't a choice.
Back in the day there were two Hegarty's - Jim Hegarty's which had the world's largest urinal and Hegarty's Glocca Mora. I found that Jim Hegarty's attracted a more sophisticated clientele. Men of discerning taste who could fathom the difference between a Heileman's Old Style and Special Export. Hegarty's Glocca Mora was more down market, perhaps frivilous, yet still had a quaint charm in that it had a higher spandex factor. The loss of both still hurts.
Can this annoying off topic thread end already...Best way to do that is definitely to post in it.
Hegarty's Glocca Mora was The Black Spider in a previous life. Owners Bob and his wife Toots (last name escapes me) moved to 96th and National (or thereabouts) in the early 70s. Legendary Pat Devitt behind the bar and many equally legendary regulars, including Billy (Lefty) Keeler, Ronnie Armstrong and much of the MU Dental School. On the south end of the campus, it lacked the hardcore lowlife charm of Lennys or The Lanche, but it was the closest to "sophisticated" the campus had to offer.
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells Street near the Catholic Knights Tower?
Yessir it was. I miss that place. :(
Lenny, is my memory failing me? Jim Hegarty's was on Wells Street near the Catholic Knights Tower? It was a hole in the wall place that had a charm that only connoisseurs and afficianados could identify and savor. It had a massive urinal in which Joey Farracca was found passed out.
Glocca Mora was over near the Rec Center? It was larger, better lit, and attracted a different crowd? I didn't drink there much, preferring the rarified air of Lenny's, the Lanche, and Jim Hegarty's.
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells and about 12th, I think.
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells and about 12th, I think. Good, solid dive bar but not quite up to the standards of Lenny's or the Lanche for me. Hegarty's (or was it Haggarty's?) Glocca Mora was on Clybourn and 17th (where the old Black Spider was). Just west on Clybourn was Who's Inn, a dive mostly frequented by locals. Think that becme a diner.
Hegarty's Glocca Mora was The Black Spider in a previous life. Owners Bob and his wife Toots (last name escapes me) moved to 96th and National (or thereabouts) in the early 70s. Legendary Pat Devitt behind the bar and many equally legendary regulars, including Billy (Lefty) Keeler, Ronnie Armstrong and much of the MU Dental School. On the south end of the campus, it lacked the hardcore lowlife charm of Lennys or The Lanche, but it was the closest to "sophisticated" the campus had to offer.
Pride myself on knowledge of bars and need help on the Circle Inn. Can someone fill me in please.
Just south of Angelo's on 16th & Wells. Owned by Tony Machi who also owned Teddy's on Farwell.
Very faint memory. Was it between Angelo's and Ardmore somehow?
'81-'89....full time the first four years
Okay, 79-83 for me. Frosh year Grunt's was the hang, NW corner of 16th & Wells. Clear memories (okay, not so clear) of Journey blasting out over the jukebox.
Little quiz. You guys remember the name we gave to 'alternative to the bars' initiative over at the Rec?
"Alternative to the Vax" because it was mostly Asian engineering students at the rec center on Saturday night.
And apparently warriorchick.
And apparently warriorchick.
I lived at Hegarty's, errrr, I lived in Tower for two years and hung out at Hegarty's. Closed it every Sunday night for an entire semester. It is where I would go for a convivial evening. If I was looking for female companionship, I would venture west on Wells to either O'D's, the Gym, or Murphs. The 'lanche was never my scene.
'81-'89....full time the first four years
So.... getting back to the topic of this thread...
Who remembers the house special cocktail at the Ardmore which featured two shots of vodka, two shots of gin, two shots of rum, and lime juice(?)?
Yeah, on Wells between 11th and 12th (thank you Google Maps). Unfortunately, if you do the satellite view now you'll see the building mostly demolished. Street view still shows Hegarty's but it's from 2009. Get a screen grab while you can, folks...
So.... getting back to the topic of this thread...
Who remembers the house special cocktail at the Ardmore which featured two shots of vodka, two shots of gin, two shots of rum, and lime juice(?)?
Wasnt it the zombie or something??
Hegarty's Glocca Mora was The Black Spider in a previous life. Owners Bob and his wife Toots (last name escapes me) moved to 96th and National (or thereabouts) in the early 70s. Legendary Pat Devitt behind the bar and many equally legendary regulars, including Billy (Lefty) Keeler, Ronnie Armstrong and much of the MU Dental School. On the south end of the campus, it lacked the hardcore lowlife charm of Lennys or The Lanche, but it was the closest to "sophisticated" the campus had to offer.
For a while, "The Gloc" was the unofficial Navy ROTC bar as well. Decent tacos, too. I recall preparing for a final exam eating tacos and drinking beer at the Gloc.
"Alternative to the Vax" because it was mostly Asian engineering students at the rec center on Saturday night.
How'd you know it was a 'VAX"? :)
Wasnt it the zombie or something??
Because it also served as the only word processing machine on campus. I typed a term paper on there once. I could have typed it 5 times on an IBM Selectric in the same amount of time.
Divided my time between the Ardmore and the Black Spider - former chasing skirts, latter for chow (remember the jackstraws?).
Moved with the Spider out to West Allis and remember watching an NCAA game there. There was a close play and I yelled "Charge" just as the guy next to me yelled "Block!" They showed a slo-mo which convinced both of us we were right. I figure what does this guy know about basketball. We both went to the gents' at a TO and I realized this is one tall dude. Dave DeBusschere, in town for a game, and apparently a friend of Pat's.
You guys (and chick) are hilarious. I despise these "Buzz to" threads and avoid them. If I would have known this was a "old dive bar thread, I would have been all over it.
The Gloc was on 18th not 17th - I lived on 17th. Tower, I can't believe you didn't like the Lanche. For god's sake, there was nothing not to like - unless you had class.
My favorite Circle Inn story was when I was walking by (because I almost never walked in) and a rat ran out the front door.
Dive Bars and SAGA - my formative years.
There were nights that I wish I'd been as smart as that rat.
I have heard stories about DeBusschere that he literally could pack away more beers than anyone in the bar. One story that I really liked was after a long night at a MU bar he forgot his duffle bag and arrived to Detroit less his gear. Not sure if completely true, but that is what legends are made of.
I was a bartender at The Gym from 94-96ish. Is there a bar still there now?
I was a bartender at The Gym from 94-96ish. Is there a bar still there now?
Poster of the Garden from NiT was my favorite in ThE Gym Bar. The basketball in plaque honoring opening night was special as well.
When original owners sold to Frenn's they left most of the place the same. Not sure what happened after it was sold or closed after Frenn's took over. The framed basketball is in good hands.
Anyone remember nickel beer night at Good Time Charlies? They had great cheeseburgers too.
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Looks like the building was torn down and bought by the hospital. They had a good pool table and the original Space Invaders. Also a killer stereo. You could count on Van Halen and Pink Floyd The Wall cranked to 119 decibels. Played lots of pool there with Radar from Cleveland. Never have run into him, or Gator from Boca Raton since graduation.
Wonder what happened to the memorabilia that was on the walls? There were great photos of the old Warriors in the 60's Racing Stripes and Bumblebees. Shame if they didn't find a proper home
I believe for a while the framed pictures went to the Ardmore. 6 or 8 years ago, they we're sold to anyone in the bar who wanted one. I know the guy who got the McGuire picture. It's in Jersey now.
I was a bartender at The Gym from 94-96ish. Is there a bar still there now?Yes, in both it's former locations but...
The Gym is long gone!
The answer to any of the questions like this is no, unless the question includes Murphy's or Caffery's.
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells and about 12th, I think. Good, solid dive bar but not quite up to the standards of Lenny's or the Lanche for me. Hegarty's (or was it Haggarty's?) Glocca Mora was on Clybourn and 17th (where the old Black Spider was). Just west on Clybourn was Who's Inn, a dive mostly frequented by locals. Think that becme a diner.
Am I hallucinating, or didn't Copa spend about 5 minutes in the NBA?
Am I hallucinating, or didn't Copa spend about 5 minutes in the NBA?
From the js story on the closing of Hegarty's came this poll:
Which now-gone Marquette-area bar do you miss most?
The Avalanche (35%)
The Gym (19%)
Jim Hegarty's (22%)
Grunts (4%)
The Ardmore (13%)
The Mug Rack (6%)
Total Responses: 2801
The Circle Inn was a popular hangout for my high school (Brookfield Central) in the late '70's. By the time I got to MU in '79, I rarely went in there since there were still so many high schoolers in there.
Anyone remember the Greentree Pub? They had $2.00 all-the-$hitty-beer-you-could-drink nights on Thursdays. A good way to start a night out...
The image of Lloyd Moore's legs is disturbing
Anyone remember the Greentree Pub? They had $2.00 all-the-$hitty-beer-you-could-drink nights on Thursdays. A good way to start a night out...
Thursdays? In the late 80s they were charging that on Fridays and Saturdays. Complete underage hangout.
They closed it my junior year, but they moved it (name and everything) across the viaduct. They opened at this wonderful location in early February, and half the student body walked across the viaduct in freezing temps. The police raided the place and closed it down the night it opened and there was a steady stream of very cold students coming back to campus around midnight.
Luckily I was already of age at the time and was likely at either the Ardmore or the Lanche when this all went down.
The Greentree was a good way to start and end the night.
And remember that place (I think owned by Charlie and /or his son (Bernie?) of Good Time Charlie's) on State called O'Paget's? Pretty popular in the mid-80s, and a good place to watch a Blackhawks game (and, in fact, where Mrs. LloydMoore'sLegs and I had our first "Marquette Date").
I remember when the viaduct move happened! It was a sad day when the original location closed. I always started the night at teh all you can drink at The Greentree.
The Lanche was always my favorite. After my final Sr. year final exam, which finished mid-morning, I spent the entire day and night at the Lanche. I left once to get some lunch from Wales on Wells.
First post - Lived above O’pagets ’82 & ’83 and it was Charlie’s oldest son who owned the bar with his father.
Welcome, newsdrms! I recognize your handle from College Confidential.
First time I walked into OP's was the "last weekend before it closes" celebration. Place was packed and tons of fun, but it had been off the bar radar for so long our generation knew nothing about it before that night. This was '89, I think.
The place made so much cash that night it kept dragging out the closing for weeks. There were like three or four "final" nights at OP's. Once those died down it closed for real. We kept wondering why the place wasn't more popular. I'm still not sure. Maybe the campus had started to shrink so much by then it was considered too far away. It was amazing how quickly the campus shrunk in those 3-4 years.
I used to go down to eat at Wales on Wells even after I graduated and was just a poor young graduate living in Milwaukee. One day I pulled up, parked on Wells, walked up to the front door, and noticed it was closed...for good.
A little piece of me died that day.
Years after I left campus I heard the Lanche had "Naked Beer Slides" What was that all about?
Never saw that happen between '79 & '83, but do have to plead guilty on breaking empty beer bottles many times inside the 'Lanche.
That's my time too. Never saw a slide. Not even fro Chris Farley, who was a couple years behind me. Lots of busted bottles though. I gotta believe this started after the Lanche's insurance company put a moratorium on $.50 bottles of Red White & Blue.
I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else. Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping
I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else. Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.
I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else. Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping
Was not around for The Avalanche, but cow-tipping is pretty common in my parts.
That's my time too. Never saw a slide. Not even fro Chris Farley, who was a couple years behind me. Lots of busted bottles though. I gotta believe this started after the Lanche's insurance company put a moratorium on $.50 bottles of Red White & Blue.
Never saw that happen between '79 & '83, but do have to plead guilty on breaking empty beer bottles many times inside the 'Lanche.
Viewed the rare chick beer slide only once (bra and panties), but with the rugby guys, it was an almost nightly occurrence toward the end of the semester. Also saw three brothers, arms around each other, doing one together at the end of finals week in 1990.
I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else.
Pics or it doesn't exist.
I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else. Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping
Hah! I was at the "new" Green Tree the night it was busted. It was a couple weeks after it opened, as I went there 3-4 times prior to the big bust. While the cops were busting people at the front door, my roommate and I finished our beers and our game of pool and then went out the emergency door, setting off the alarm, and a big group followed us out. The cops were too busy in the front to go after us. Had a big laugh on the walk home.
Thursdays? In the late 80s they were charging that on Fridays and Saturdays. Complete underage hangout.
They closed it my junior year, but they moved it (name and everything) across the viaduct. They opened at this wonderful location in early February, and half the student body walked across the viaduct in freezing temps. The police raided the place and closed it down the night it opened and there was a steady stream of very cold students coming back to campus around midnight.
Luckily I was already of age at the time and was likely at either the Ardmore or the Lanche when this all went down.
Was not around for The Avalanche, but cow-tipping is pretty common in my parts.
DO NOT TRY TO TIP COWS!!
Cows aren't easy to tip over, and a failed attempt wakes the cow and freaks it out, so it starts mooing, and then all the other cows wake up and start mooing and coming over to see whats wrong, and suddenly you're surrounded by big freaked out cows making lots of noise and the lights come on in the house and... well I advise against the practice.
Seems by the evidence that the naked slides were more prevalent during late 80's & 90's. Anyone here use to go the Stone Toad & The Palms? Saw lots of good bands at those clubs ;D
When it closed on April 24, 1997, news reports said The Avalanche closed because of problems with rowdy patrons and vandalism, but we know that MU wanted the space for university use.The 'Lanche sat vacant for many years and its demolition was either amazingly calculated, or dumb luck. I remember heading to the bookstore for gear a few days after we beat Kentucky to get to the Final Four in 2003. The campus was buzzing. Demolition on the 'Lanche looked like it was just beginning. It was gone within days and no one even noticed. Bastards.
Seems by the evidence that the naked slides were more prevalent during late 80's & 90's. Anyone here use to go the Stone Toad & The Palms? Saw lots of good bands at those clubs ;DUsed to watch the BoDeans try out new songs at the Stone Toad (at least I think that was the place they would perform at under a different name). Heard almost all of the Black and White album before it was released.
Used to watch the BoDeans try out new songs at the Stone Toad (at least I think that was the place they would perform at under a different name). Heard almost all of the Black and White album before it was released.
Used to watch the BoDeans try out new songs at the Stone Toad (at least I think that was the place they would perform at under a different name). Heard almost all of the Black and White album before it was released.
The 'Lanche sat vacant for many years and its demolition was either amazingly calculated, or dumb luck. I remember heading to the bookstore for gear a few days after we beat Kentucky to get to the Final Four in 2003. The campus was buzzing. Demolition on the 'Lanche looked like it was just beginning. It was gone within days and no one even noticed. Bastards.
You can thank one of the Haggerty (yes, that MU family) daughters for bankrolling the demo of many near by campus watering holes in the 90's.
The Patriarch being He of Lava Lamp Fame? It sickens me to think that all those lava lamps funded the demise of an era.
For twenty pieces of silver?
Gawddam but I haven't thought of the Palms or the Stone Toad in decades. Saw a lot of great bands at both over those years. I think it was $5 to go see The Pretenders, Talking Heads, Butt Hole Surfers, Elvis Costello, REM, The Outlaws. You had to get there early to get a proper seat but that meant having to sit through bands like the Oil Tasters, Pearl Harbor and the Explosions and such.
Terrible acoustics, the acrid tang of cannabis hanging heavy in the smoky air, but we were young.
Ok, then lets keep on going anyone remember the Grog Shoppe?
Someplace Else?Interns East?
Someplace Else?
Wendy O.
The Patriarch being He of Lava Lamp Fame? It sickens me to think that all those lava lamps funded the demise of an era.
Not sure about Lava Lamps, but Texas Instruments, yes. MU Engineering Bldg and Art Museum.Haggerty is Lava Lamp
Wendy O.
Plasmatics.
RIP. peace she never had on terra firma.
Milwaukee had an outstanding music scene back in the day. We were fortunate enough to book numerous regional acts for the weekly Brooks Union Grill Concerts on Friday afternoon at very reasonable prices simply because they could play another gig in town that night. Some names have been mentioned to include the Femmes, Arroyo, X-Cleavers, Bad Boy plus several of the great Chicago blues artists like Koko Taylor and Magic Slim, all free for the student body every week at 3 pm. I clearly remember Dr. Peters walking downstairs, knowing we were hundreds over the fire marshal limit, and immediately turning around to head back to his office. (Thanks Toby.)
Anyone from the class of 83 remember the South Side Johnny concert at the Varsity? It ain't the meat, it's the motion.
79-80 performance? Packed house; great show.
The Stray Cats on a Weds for $7.50 at a place across from Ricky's...
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Anyone from the class of 83 remember the South Side Johnny concert at the Varsity? It ain't the meat, it's the motion.Went to the South Side Johnny concert and will have to plead guilty again. I let at least 5-6 empty Old Style bottles roll down the Varsity floor ::). Did the Romantics play in that same concert at the Varsity? I too saw the Boss on '82 they kept on switching lights on an off to get him off the stage ;D. There was a riot at a Black Sabbath concert '79 or '80 fortunately didn't have enough $ to go.
How about Alex Bevan....I'm just a skinny little boy from Cleveland Ohio.
Or Yipes....out in California, the kids are really cool...
Saw Bruce in 1982. Third row seats, right in front of Clarence and Steve Van Zandt. Three hours, 4 encores. Back in the day.
Anyone (of course we do) remember the anti disco protest in front of the Varsity? Post Steve Dahl.
after reading the last few pages of this dialogue - I don't think anybody knows jack SHlT about what REALLY went down... (and no I don't have any sources either)...+999999999999999
done reading these threads, it's embarrassing the debate continues on SMU/Buzz...
We were fortunate enough to book numerous regional acts for the weekly Brooks Union Grill Concerts on Friday afternoon at very reasonable prices simply because they could play another gig in town that night.
So, anyone been fishing?
Went to the South Side Johnny concert and will have to plead guilty again. I let at least 5-6 empty Old Style bottles roll down the Varsity floor ::). Did the Romantics play in that same concert at the Varsity? I too saw the Boss on '82 they kept on switching lights on an off to get him off the stage ;D. There was a riot at a Black Sabbath concert '79 or '80 fortunately didn't have enough $ to go.
Or Yipes....out in California, the kids are really cool...
BoDeans in the basement of the Union before they signed. BonTon Society...same place. The Friday afternoon outdoor shows were always a good time.
What was the name of the place on State that used to have bands? I think it was on State at least. Todd Rundgren played in 84 if I remember right. Very small venue, we had first row in front of the band. Great show.
I saw the BoDeans for free at the Lakeshore Park behind the Art Museum what I think was a Labor Day weekend festival. Between Jr & Sr weekend I also flew to Summerfest for a weekend trip just to see the BoDeans. I still listen to them. Their CDs from the 2000s have been good.
I saw the BoDeans for free at the Lakeshore Park behind the Art Museum what I think was a Labor Day weekend festival.
I saw the BoDeans for free at the Lakeshore Park behind the Art Museum what I think was a Labor Day weekend festival... I still listen to them. Their CDs from the 2000s have been good.
Summerfest at the Rock Stage before they got big. I still have a tape from a 1983 REM show at Summerfest that was taped from the 7th row with a boom mic. Not the greatest quality, but a great show.
Found this excellent link...
http://milwaukeerockposters.com/index.html
sailors up from Great Lakes NavalAcademy
And the Violent Femmes. I was on the East Coast with some friends in 1984 watching MTV when the video for "Children of the Revolution" came on. They had filmed it at the Serb Hall fish fry. I was cracking up. My non-Milwaukee friends couldn't figure out what was going on in the video. "What's with all the old people eating fish?"
And the Violent Femmes. I was on the East Coast with some friends in 1984 watching MTV when the video for "Children of the Revolution" came on. They had filmed it at the Serb Hall fish fry. I was cracking up. My non-Milwaukee friends couldn't figure out what was going on in the video. "What's with all the old people eating fish?"
Saw the Femmes believe twice at the Union, also Mike Rutherford's (Genesis) band The Mechanics. To this date my friends back home do not believe that I got to see the Femmes at my U. student union.
This has been fun for me to read. Thank you for remembering.Who was the guy who hired them for the Saturday night shows back in 82-83? That guy had a brilliant touch with bands. Must have had a good teacher. ;D
Agree with the notion that Jim Schade had a great deal to do with the early Grill Concerts. He turned the baton over to Marty King who, in turn handed it to me. Absolutely true story . . . I was in final contract negotiations with representatives of Survivor when 'Eye of the Tiger' hit #1. We almost had them for the 'Party of the Century'. In the end, the $$ was just too big for the university to swallow. Notwithstanding that disappointment, we booked multiple outstanding acts on three separate stages that historic day.
And while I believe that we were often on the musical cutting edge, I must say that the first time I booked the Femmes I thought they were the weirdest guys I had every met and would never really amount to anything. Opps.
Who was the guy who hired them for the Saturday night shows back in 82-83? That guy had a brilliant touch with bands. Must have had a good teacher. ;D
I remember the Britians (?) at the Mugrack as a great show back in the early 80's. The Femmes, Replacements, REM all used to play Summerfest at the Rock Stage before they got big. I still have a tape from a 1983 REM show at Summerfest that was taped from the 7th row with a boom mic. Not the greatest quality, but a great show.
What was the name of the place on State that used to have bands? I think it was on State at least. Todd Rundgren played in 84 if I remember right. Very small venue, we had first row in front of the band. Great show.
Those of you posting that were at MU during '79-'83 seems like I might know some of you. Jsglow positive must have met you at MU.
I'll tell one more story. (Warriorchick can't pay attention.) I'd spent most of the Romantics concert at the soundboard but at some point went up to the balcony where the programming board had a aisle seat for me just so I could enjoy part of the show. Well some unbelievable looking co-ed comes up to me and says "You're jsglow! This is such an awesome show and I wanted to meet you". Well I somehow didn't get the hint and ruined my one chance at 'rock star status' by saying something dumb like "Thanks. See ya!"Hahaha, no not a chick newsdrms is a silly abbreviation of a comic book store I used to own. But the true story is I knew most people involved in committee or whatever, do not remember, that had to do with the activities on campus. As a matter of fact there was one of the positions if I recall that was voted on by the students, and I helped on the campaign based on the bands that would be hired for the Union and Varsity gigs.
newsdrms????
Anyone from the class of 83 remember the South Side Johnny concert at the Varsity? It ain't the meat, it's the motion.
How about Alex Bevan....I'm just a skinny little boy from Cleveland Ohio.
Or Yipes....out in California, the kids are really cool...
Saw Bruce in 1982. Third row seats, right in front of Clarence and Steve Van Zandt. Three hours, 4 encores. Back in the day.
Anyone (of course we do) remember the anti disco protest in front of the Varsity? Post Steve Dahl.
There's a local commercial in frequent rotation that uses the BoDean's "Closer to Free" in the background. Yale New Haven Hospital recently opend a separate hospital specifically for cancer treatment. The title sound sounds like a good match.
Anyone remember that goofball Tim the Rock 'n Roll Animal? 1982 "stunt" living on a ledge downtown after The Who bypassed Milwaukee on a tour, and he actually wound up getting them to come to Milwaukee.
http://onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/prstunts.html
1982: "On the ledge with Tim the Rock 'N Roll Animal"
This year marks the 25th anniversary of one of the greatest stunts in the history of Milwaukee radio.
WQFM, which was competing with rival station WLPX in a death struggle for the attention of rock fans with feathered hair and black t-shirts, had a night-time DJ named Tim "The Rock 'n' Roll Animal" Smith. (He got the nickname from college friends because he used to play Lou Reed's album of that name virtually every morning." The Rock and Roll Animal, who began his stint as the overnight DJ at WQFM before taking the coveted 6 p.m. -- 10 p.m. slot, was a bit quiet off the air but charismatic on it. He was known for his rhyming catchphrases like "Yankin' and Crankin on a Friday High Day," "Nothin' to it but to do it," etc.
It was during 1982 that The Who released what was to be its final studio album, "It's Hard," and announced a farewell tour of North America. (Yes, they're the same band that has only toured the US about 50 times since).
The Who had never played a date in Milwaukee and none was announced on the slate for the farewell tour. During his show on Sept. 16, 1982, Tim the Animal decided that he would climb out on the 21st floor ledge of the WQFM studio, which was located at 606 W. Wisconsin Ave., and would not come inside until the Who announced that it was playing in Milwaukee.
WQFM milked the bit for all it was worth. TV stations and national magazines covered the "camp out," restaurants got publicity by sending food and listeners were encouraged to "Honk for The Who" while driving down Wisconsin Ave.
On Oct. 1, Tim the Animal took a call on the air from Roger Daltrey, the Who's lead singer, saying that the band would visit the Milwaukee Arena on Dec. 7. A lottery was held for tickets and roughly 12,000 lucky fans got to see one of the more incredible shows in Milwaukee rock history and the culmination of one of the great radio promotions of all-time.
Does anyone remember seeing Spooner (later Firetown) at the Mugrack in 84? Fun Band to watch and listen to.Yep, got my mug. I worked at the Mugrack the last year it was open at the Brooks Memorial Union before Alumni Union opened up. The new place at Alumni did not match up, although I was able to wolf down lots of free food at both places.
By the way.......Mugrack mug no. 263 from back in the day. Anyone else still have theirs?
Yep, got my mug. I worked at the Mugrack the last year it was open at the Brooks Memorial Union before Alumni Union opened up. The new place at Alumni did not match up, although I was able to wolf down lots of free food at both places.the Mugrack made a tasty sandwich too. Sort of a Which Wich before Which Wich was around.
This has been fun for me to read. Thank you for remembering.
Agree with the notion that Jim Schade had a great deal to do with the early Grill Concerts. He turned the baton over to Marty King who, in turn handed it to me.
BoDeans in the basement of the Union before they signed. BonTon Society...same place. The Friday afternoon outdoor shows were always a good time.
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She is dancing to....Seeing Springsteen?
had a 69 chevy with a 396, fuelie and a hurst on the floor
tonights the night.....
She is dancing to....
had a 69 chevy with a 396, fuelie and a hurst on the floor
tonights the night.....
Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. fired back at a critic with colorful language Tuesday after being accused of providing more security for vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan's visit Sunday than was provided for President Barack Obama's visit in February.
One of the critics was Milwaukee County Supervisor John Weishan Jr., who said in a statement Monday that the sheriff needed to treat "all parties equally."
Clarke responded with a statement Monday and had harsher language for Weishan on Tuesday.
"Apparently this partisan hack has pulled his head out of his ass once again to say something stupid," Clarke said in a statement released Tuesday by his spokeswoman. "The next time little boy Weishan says something intelligent or accurate will be the first. This is the same idiot who recently diminished the danger of law enforcement work several weeks before one of my officers lost his life in the line of duty. He would do Milwaukee County good by crawling back into his hole.”
After seeing (not reading) the thread trashing Buzz as a coach, I thought I would bump this thread for a little perspective.
Sigh
I always knew you were Hoopaloop. Stop denying it and claiming others are! :-*
After clicking back on this thread I just learned that warthog driver isn't keefe. For some reason I thought they were one in the same, no idea how I came to this conclusion.
Uh...yeah I am pretty sure they are. Perhaps a new account?
Anybody been out fishing lately?
Wow! 126 pages and counting........
Happy April...and it's cold and rainy in NorCal.
We need the water but damn, it's cold!
Happy April...and it's cold and rainy in NorCal.
We need the water but damn, it's cold!
940 some more views and this thread will finally be over the 150,000 view mark.
edit: Which would still be #3 under the #2 Beer thread, and #1 baseball pissing match
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats
And now we have.
LOL!
It was around the high 30s on Monday as a low...This Sunday's projected high? 83 friggin degrees.
almost a 50 degree turnaround in a couple of days is driving me nuts.
LOL!
It was around the high 30s on Monday as a low...This Sunday's projected high? 83 friggin degrees.
almost a 50 degree turnaround in a couple of days is driving me nuts.
LOL!
It was around the high 30s on Monday as a low...This Sunday's projected high? 83 friggin degrees.
almost a 50 degree turnaround in a couple of days is driving me nuts.
Yeah, I'd hate for it to hit 83 here Sunday. :-\
Btw, N.Wisc. supposed to get hit with 6-12 inches of snow Thurs night / Friday.
Isn't SE Wi supposed to get rain/ice tonight? I heard it was, but nothing is happening outside.
North of Madison / Mke.
So is Buzz accepting the SMU job or not?My sources indicate that he was turned down for it.
My sources indicate that he was turned down for it.
My sources indicate that he was turned down for it.
Wrong. He withdrew his name from consideration.
Hah, that's like a daily high-low thing in CO
I believe he withdrew because of the sexual assaults on campus. That was a red flag to both SMU and Oklahoma. Had that incident not happened, we may have never had an elite 8.
Withdrew = being turned down (see Cuonzo Martin)
OK pulled back because of the sequel allegation. SMU was already too shady for Brent's liking.