Inside MU Basketball season-ending episode

[MUfan12]

Granted the sexual assault allegations haven't happened before (that I know of), but fights aren't anything new. Now that may mean Crean was just better at not letting it get out or the sexual assault allegations brought about more media scrutiny. I honestly think it is probably a little of both.

This is very, very true. People kvetching about the nightclub thing would have been going nuts about what Dominic and Jerel got off the hook for as freshman. Crean managed to keep them from getting arrested on at least one occasion.

[Hoopaloop]

PRN
I disagree with the booster comment, I believe the big supporters of Buzz are still big supporters of Buzz. Your comment about MU style players vs. Badger players I think plays a role in the big picture. The big swinging dick boosters want to win and win now. Believe there is a faction of second tier boosters that would prefer Badger style kids. I alluded to that two days ago and think the vocal minority assume the worst of the kids.

Second tier posters in the sense of basketball or the university?  There are some major donors at MU that don't give a hoot about basketball but care deeply about the university.  Pilarz has to balance all those needs.  Not an easy job.

[Hoopaloop]

Chicos, you didn't answer the question and are now playing it off as "some of the postings here" suggest that.  You claimed it that it is being done differently under Buzz than previously... stand up for that statement if you think it is correct!

You keep calling me Chicos and I am not going to answer your question.  You want to talk to him, talk to him.  Send him an email.  Send him a PM. 

Also, let's not act like this is the first time that Marquette basketball players have gotten in trouble. It just never made the papers before. Granted the sexual assault allegations haven't happened before (that I know of), but fights aren't anything new. Now that may mean Crean was just better at not letting it get out or the sexual assault allegations brought about more media scrutiny. I honestly think it is probably a little of both.

Agree.  Stuff happens and sometimes it doesn't get out.  The problem is that once it does get to the papers, then the papers come looking for more.  Then you get into a drip, drip, drip, drip scenario where they turn over every rock. 

This is why Buzz must be going crazy at times whenever another incident pops up.  I would sit down with them and beg, plead, whatever it takes. "If you love me boys, stay out of trouble.  Don't do this, this, this, that, that, or this because its putting me in a tough spot with the old guard that is already skeptical of you guys."

[Lennys Tap]

Chicos, you didn't answer the question and are now playing it off as "some of the postings here" suggest that.  You claimed it that it is being done differently under Buzz than previously... stand up for that statement if you think it is correct!

This is easy, Vike. Hoopos was so eager to denigrate Buzz he made some stuff up. He got called out on his fiction so he's talking in circles, blaming non existant "others". Obfuscation is one of his many talents.

[MUViking]

You keep calling me Chicos and I am not going to answer your question.  You want to talk to him, talk to him.  Send him an email.  Send him a PM. 


Agree.  Stuff happens and sometimes it doesn't get out.  The problem is that once it does get to the papers, then the papers come looking for more.  Then you get into a drip, drip, drip, drip scenario where they turn over every rock. 

This is why Buzz must be going crazy at times whenever another incident pops up.  I would sit down with them and beg, plead, whatever it takes. "If you love me boys, stay out of trouble.  Don't do this, this, this, that, that, or this because its putting me in a tough spot with the old guard that is already skeptical of you guys."

OK, I will call you Hoopaloop, if that's what you like to be called.  Please explain your remark that Buzz is getting kids in who wouldn't have previously been admitted under, presumably, Crean.  Thank you.

[Lennys Tap]

MU has taken other Prop 48 players.  Gerald Posey for example.

  

Other playerS? Wade, Posey and who else?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Hard to believe one of Chicos favorite juco transfers was Tyrone Baldwin, who if memory serves, pummeled a fellow student on Wells Street during his time in Milwaukee.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Hard to believe one of Chicos favorite juco transfers was Tyrone Baldwin, who if memory serves, pummeled a fellow student on Wells Street during his time in Milwaukee.

hmm...sounds, dare I say, squirmy?

[Goose]

ZFB
Would have voted hung like horse last night.

[mu_hilltopper]

Show can be watched here:

http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/2012/03/inside-marquette-basketball---season-finale.html

[ZiggysFryBoy]

ZFB
Would have voted hung like horse last night.

yeah, WTF happened?  Ghosts in the machine???

[MU Buff]

Again, I am not going to read anything into the Homer show. If Buzz wanted to leave he had every opportunity to bolt the past 72 hours. The man is highly regarded and does not need to be here if was unhappy. Either things get mended over next year or he is gone. I am betting things get fixed.

SMU gig was just a dance with another girl to let your lady know you still got it. Problem is with a move like that you might end up sleeping on the couch. Buzz knows what he is doing and will ultimately do what is best for him. If I had to place a sizable bet today I would say one and done for Buzz.

Goose, I'm not trying to start an argument or call you out.  I'd just like to know how you changed your mind within two hours or if I'm missing something.  It could just be that you were analyzing everything you've heard and decided to change your mind.  It could be that you heard some new information.  I'd just like to know.

[Hoopaloop]

Other playerS? Wade, Posey and who else?

Those are the only two I remember off the top of my head by name, but thought there was another. Was someone implying that only Crean was able to get a Prop 48?  That was my interpretation.  If I'm wrong, I am wrong.  Will not be the first or the last time.

[Hoopaloop]

Hard to believe one of Chicos favorite juco transfers was Tyrone Baldwin, who if memory serves, pummeled a fellow student on Wells Street during his time in Milwaukee.

You sure have an obsession with him, but since you were directing this at me I'll answer it again.  I have no issues with JUCO players.  That is one of many areas we differ, yet you still say I am him.     If memory serves, he believes 4 year players are better for stability of a program.  In some ways, he is right. Would you have rather had Jae here for 4 years or only 2?  By the time Jae got going, we really only had him for 1.5 years.  A great 1.5 years but it would have been nice to have him here longer.   Then again, I'm glad we had him.  If he qualifies he qualifies.  Not everyone agrees.  The media has certainly taken their shots at MU for going after Juco players.  From my understanding of reading this board, some donors and MU administrators aren't thrilled with it either.  Fortunately the kids that Buzz has recruited have mostly been good kids, that can change perceptions.

I loved Tyrone Baldwin except for one moment in time against Wisconsin when he went over and back and we lost to the Badgers.  Not sure where Chicos is with him, why don't you ask him?

[nathanziarek]

I don't know why people keep stirring the pot.  If there's one thing all of us learned through that whole SMU exercise it should be Buzz and Corey are the only ones that know what is going on in Buzz' head.

This needs to be automatically inserted after every post here. I've never seen emotion taken as fact with such absolute trust.

[TedBaxter]

From my understanding of reading this board, some donors and MU administrators aren't thrilled with it either.  Fortunately the kids that Buzz has recruited have mostly been good kids, that can change perceptions.

Is Marc Marotta still all over the JUCO recruiting?

In hindsight, Hank Raymonds and Rick Majerus should have gone after Ronnie Williams from St. John's Military Academy instead of Marotta.

[4everwarriors]

Williams was earmarked for Florida early on.

[wildbill sb]

Is Marc Marotta still all over the JUCO recruiting?

In hindsight, Hank Raymonds and Rick Majerus should have gone after Ronnie Williams from St. John's Military Academy instead of Marotta.

But, but, but, MM was a Rhodes Scholar finalist or something, wasn't he? That should count for something.

[Goose]

Ronnie was a heckuva player. He and DJ were some duo in high school.

[Goose]

What does MM have to do with Juco recruiting?

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Gotta loves threads that just ramble on about the same things over and over.

[brewcity77]

Gotta loves threads that just ramble on about the same things over and over.

Sort of like people who ramble on about how Durley needs to go to JUCO over and over?

[TedBaxter]

Williams was earmarked for Florida early on.

Marotta was the consolation prize when MU didn't get Gary Springer from New York that year?

[AZWarrior]

Does anyone know how MM (the academic all-American) came to be driving a Jaguar his senior year?

[4everwarriors]

Does anyone know how MM (the academic all-American) came to be driving a Jaguar his senior year?

A 4 year athletic scholarship at MU loosens up some bread for a family that isn't strapped to begin with.