Cracked Sidewalks: NIL's possible impact at Marquette

[WhiteTrash]

I remember when people acted all chicken little about pro sports free agency and how that was going to ruin everything.

Do you also remember when pro sports put in salary caps?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Do you also remember when pro sports put in salary caps?

When part of a collective bargaining agreement with the players' unions?  Yep.

[oldwarrior81]

would it be a surprise if the biggest take home check is earned by Livvy Dunne, the LSU gymnast?
1.1 million followers on Instagram.  https://www.instagram.com/livvydunne/
About 4 million on TikTok.

[PointWarrior]

It pretty much did ruin the MLB and NBA.

CBB will be a crap show with some players making peanuts and some making millions.


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I remember when people acted all chicken little about pro sports free agency and how that was going to ruin everything.
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[CountryRoads]

If what another poster above said is true and kids can’t use their university as part of their endorsement (ie no official Marquette player jerseys), I’m not seeing much value for 99% of athletes for men’s bball. Keep in mind, there is no shortage of “influencers” already and college hoops is pretty niche as is. The ones I see cashing in the most are female athletes who have big social media followings. FWIW, I think it’s ridiculous these young adults weren’t able to make money online using their personal brand anyway. Being a YouTuber is just as valid as any other job nowadays.

[Pakuni]

When part of a collective bargaining agreement with the players' unions?  Yep.

And always tied to a roughly 50-50 split of revenues between players and owners.

[WhiteTrash]

When part of a collective bargaining agreement with the players' unions?  Yep.

Umm, ok. That doesn't address the issue you brought up. 

The balance to free agency is salary caps. The 'chicken littles' at that time would have been correct if not for salary caps.

Why no outrage on salary caps? Free market should rule. The players are getting screwed.

[PointWarrior]

I could get onboard with NIL if there was some sort of team cap.  And some equity that fixes a star QB gets millions but the starting guard gets peanuts but plays a key role in win. 

When part of a collective bargaining agreement with the players' unions?  Yep.

[Pakuni]

Umm, ok. That doesn't address the issue you brought up. 

The balance to free agency is salary caps. The 'chicken littles' at that time would have been correct if not for salary caps.

Why no outrage on salary caps? Free market should rule. The players are getting screwed.

The Curt Flood case was decided in 1972. There's still no salary cap in baseball 49 years later.

Why no outrage? Because the caps are something the players have voluntarily agreed to in exchange for other benefits, such as spending floors for each team. I don't know why you'd expect fans to be outraged for the players over something they collectively bargained over.

[The Lens]

I could get onboard with NIL if there was some sort of team cap.  And some equity that fixes a star QB gets millions but the starting guard gets peanuts but plays a key role in win.

The starting OG at an SEC school (or any other solid Power 5 program) is going to do just fine.  Do you think Elgton Jenkins' play is effected by Aaron Rodgers' national endorsements?  Or by David Bakhtiari being used in Associated Bank & Cellcom spots?  I mean he protects Aaron and lines up NEXT to David!  Why do they get commercials?!?!

NIL is a fact of life now, just like the portal  The schools that accept that and better yet embrace it, will flourish.  Every "problem" is an opportunity.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

It pretty much did ruin the MLB and NBA.

Hardly.  Free agency made both much more competitive.

[WhiteTrash]

The Curt Flood case was decided in 1972. There's still no salary cap in baseball 49 years later.

Why no outrage? Because the caps are something the players have voluntarily agreed to in exchange for other benefits, such as spending floors for each team. I don't know why you'd expect fans to be outraged for the players over something they collectively bargained over.

You're correct,  not a cap but salary tax. I guess NCAA players or schools could be forced to share money like MLB.

The main point is free agency has been balanced by cap/tax.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

You're correct,  not a cap but salary tax. I guess NCAA players or schools could be forced to share money like MLB.

The main point is free agency has been balanced by cap/tax.

And the main point is that the cap/tax was voluntarily agreed upon by unionized players in return for other items. 

[Pakuni]

It pretty much did ruin the MLB and NBA.

We should revert to the ultra competitive pre-free agency days, like when the Yankees won 16 World Series in 27 years.
Or when the Celtics won 11 NBA titles in 14 years.

[Uncle Rico]

would it be a surprise if the biggest take home check is earned by Livvy Dunne, the LSU gymnast?
1.1 million followers on Instagram.  https://www.instagram.com/livvydunne/
About 4 million on TikTok.

Not going to let this get lost by the old men waving at the clouds

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

We should revert to the ultra competitive pre-free agency days, like when the Yankees won 16 World Series in 27 years.
Or when the Celtics won 11 NBA titles in 14 years.

Considering attendance and television ratings, the public agrees that the current product is better than the previous.

[Uncle Rico]

Considering attendance and television ratings, the public agrees that the current product is better than the previous.

Yeah, but the players knew their place

[lawdog77]

Not going to let this get lost by the old men waving at the clouds

I don't get the Tick Tock. Is it anything like my generation's Short Attention Span Theatre?

[Hards Alumni]

I don't get the Tick Tock. Is it anything like my generation's Short Attention Span Theatre?

TikTok is like if Vine was never bought by Twitter.

[lawdog77]

TikTok is like if Vine was never bought by Twitter.

Now you're just making up words.

[jesmu84]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3371805/day-one-of-the-nil-and-weve-got-some-wild-endorsements-already-signed-by-college-athletes-across-the-country

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3371809/all-these-weird-deals-big-time-money-and-people-losing-their-crap-shows-nil-is-working-exactly-as-it-should-on-day-one

Chaos everywhere.

[WhiteTrash]

And the main point is that the cap/tax was voluntarily agreed upon by unionized players in return for other items.

I understand your point but the original statement of fear that free agency was unfounded because it would create an unfair playing field was valid without a tax/cap.

I assume you think the the 10,000 + college athletes should collectively bargain with the NCAA. I'm good with that.

[Jockey]

You're correct,  not a cap but salary tax. I guess NCAA players or schools could be forced to share money like MLB.

The main point is free agency has been balanced by cap/tax.

So players should benefit from someone else’s likeness?

Why do you think we should go full socialism?

[Pakuni]

I understand your point but the original statement of fear that free agency was unfounded because it would create an unfair playing field was valid without a tax/cap.

Could you provide some evidence that any sport, baseball for example, was less competitive in the years between the start of free agency and the imposition of salary/luxury caps, than it was pre-free agency?

[WhiteTrash]

So players should benefit from someone else’s likeness?

Why do you think we should go full socialism?

I despise socialism. And I don't like the idea of sharing someone's revenue but the post was pointing out that MLB doesn't have a cap like other sports,  it has a tax that redistributes money. 

The point is that pro sports has a system(s) in place to help balance competition.  This is a good idea for the sport as a whole.