Pac Man v. Money

[reinko]

Who you got? 

[🏀]

Want Paci, but feel like it's going to be Floyd.

The fight is the undercard of the day though, the Derby is going to be fantastic this year.

[tower912]

$$$$$$$$$$$

[swoopem]

Mayweather will execute his defense first gameplan and win by decision like he always does. However, I'm betting on Manny and want him to win by a knockout in the 12th round. 

[Galway Eagle]

I've been to Money's gym and was hired as a sparing partner for one of the prospects. The work ethic in that place is psychotic. I mean beyond anything I'd ever seen. If he truly is training as hard as he claims he'll have no issues. Also age has affected Pacquiao worse than Mayweather. Personally I think Mayweather is a Dbag, and having been at that gym I have some extra reasons for that belief, if Manny knocks him out I'll love it, if it goes to decision I hope Mayweather wins as he is a stellar boxer and you only live through a talent like his once in a blue moon. 

[JWags85]

Also age has affected Pacquiao worse than Mayweather.

This is the big thing for me.  7-8 years ago, this could be a different story cause Pacquiao was much faster.  Still a great fighter, but far more susceptible to getting whacked when he is over-aggressive as you saw in his most recent losses.  Thats what I think Mayweather wins.  His defense is historic and I think he manages to tag Pacquiao a few times when he gets overeager and gets him a few comfortable rounds to win easy.

Pacquiao's camp has to be thinking he needs a KO, so that would make some of the strategy interesting.

Also, the new Foot Locker commercial with Pacquiao is hysterical.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Mayweather, and it wont even be close.

[Hards Alumni]

Mayweather, and it wont even be close.

+1

[tower912]

Correct me if I am wrong, but not only has Floyd never lost as a professional, he has never been knocked down.   I think.    I have interacted with members of his extended family.   Like a vegan does with their being vegan, the Mayweather clan slips their relationship to him into the first two or three sentences.   His track record toward women offends me.    But, he is the best boxer of his generation and in the conversation for best ever.    And he has done it with fragile hands.   How many remember that he had a number of fights postponed due to broken bones in his hands?   And that he fought on after breaking hand bones during fights and still got the win.  IMO, that is one of the reasons he rarely blows an opponent up.   He knows he can play defense, jab, never get tagged, and win by decision.   Hard to argue against his record.

[Galway Eagle]

Correct me if I am wrong, but not only has Floyd never lost as a professional, he has never been knocked down.   I think.    I have interacted with members of his extended family.   Like a vegan does with their being vegan, the Mayweather clan slips their relationship to him into the first two or three sentences.   His track record toward women offends me.    But, he is the best boxer of his generation and in the conversation for best ever.    And he has done it with fragile hands.   How many remember that he had a number of fights postponed due to broken bones in his hands?   And that he fought on after breaking hand bones during fights and still got the win.  IMO, that is one of the reasons he rarely blows an opponent up.   He knows he can play defense, jab, never get tagged, and win by decision.   Hard to argue against his record.

Was knocked down by zab judah but it was ruled a slip

[Tortuga94]

Correct me if I am wrong, but not only has Floyd never lost as a professional, he has never been knocked down.   I think.    I have interacted with members of his extended family.   Like a vegan does with their being vegan, the Mayweather clan slips their relationship to him into the first two or three sentences.   His track record toward women offends me.    But, he is the best boxer of his generation and in the conversation for best ever.    And he has done it with fragile hands.   How many remember that he had a number of fights postponed due to broken bones in his hands?   And that he fought on after breaking hand bones during fights and still got the win.  IMO, that is one of the reasons he rarely blows an opponent up.   He knows he can play defense, jab, never get tagged, and win by decision.   Hard to argue against his record.

He has technically been knocked down in a fight before. Against Zab Judah and also I believe against Carlos Hernandez, but neither was a true knockdown.
As for him never losing a fight, that depends on who you ask. While he's never lost based on official scorecards, most diehard boxing fans, I do consider myself one of those, feel he lost his first fight versus Jose Luis Castillo. You can find it on youtube.
Floyd did come back to convincingly win the rematch, but no doubt in my mind that JLC deserved the nod the first time around.

[Galway Eagle]

He has technically been knocked down in a fight before. Against Zab Judah and also I believe against Carlos Hernandez, but neither was a true knockdown.
As for him never losing a fight, that depends on who you ask. While he's never lost based on official scorecards, most diehard boxing fans, I do consider myself one of those, feel he lost his first fight versus Jose Luis Castillo. You can find it on youtube.
Floyd did come back to convincingly win the rematch, but no doubt in my mind that JLC deserved the nod the first time around.

I agree with you about the original Castillo fight, but I don't think it was as convincing as people act like it was.  I think a lot of what people construed as power punches weren't as solidly connecting as people thought. 

Completely forgot he was knocked down by Hernandez. 

[Tortuga94]

I agree with most , that this fight is happening about five years too late, but hey, better late than never.
They are both a bit past their primes and have already made their marks on the sport. The winner of this fight will cement themselves as the best fighter of this current generation(last 15-20 years) of boxers. They are both first ballot hall of famers and all time top 50 fighters, some put Mayweather in top 10-15 all time.  At this point in their careers there is no one left for them to fight, but each other. I for one am glad this fight got made even though the price for the PPV is steep.  I am begrudgingly forking over the $100 to watch it, and hoping Pac can pull off the upset.

[chapman]

The fight is the undercard of the day though, the Derby is going to be fantastic this year.

Screw the misspelled Pharoah, Dortmund might be more of an impressive specimen than his father.

[Sir Lawrence]

Screw the misspelled Pharoah, Dortmund might be more of an impressive specimen than his father.

Stanford scratched, so Pharoah moves into the dreaded 17 position.  No winner has ever started in 17.
I too like Dortmund.  Not an original thought, but Dortmund is battle tested. 

[Tortuga94]

If I'm betting a straight win I'll usually go for a bit of a longshot. Usually the 8-1 through about 15-1 odds.
I'll take Carpe Diem(8-1) and in honor of the fight Itsaknockout(13-1). Also, keep an eye on Materiality(12-1). Those would be my longshot bets.

If betting exacta, I'll usually include one of the favorites. Dortmund(3-1) to win, with American Pharaoh to place. Though you could flip those two. Would pair Dortmund up with a longer shot too.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I went with a Dortmund - Materiality Exacta Box. I don't like the American Pharaoh start position.

[77ncaachamps]

I'm a Pac fan, and I think he's gonna lose.

Mayweather is gonna go turtle and if that's boxing, pack him and yourself up and go back to the 1800s.

I'm actually not even getting into the hype.

I'm looking forward to empty theaters for Avengers during the match.

[Eldon]

Anybody got a stream?  Neither bar by my house has the fight

[4everwarriors]

You should move before the next big fight, hey?

[jesmu84]

Anybody got a stream?  Neither bar by my house has the fight

http://www.firstrow.li/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc

http://www.drakulastream.eu/other-live-streaming-video-2.html

[Eldon]

http://www.firstrow.li/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc

http://www.drakulastream.eu/other-live-streaming-video-2.html

God bless your soul!  The drakulastream is working, albeit with some slight lags

[jesmu84]

Eh. I don't watch a lot of boxing, but it seemed pretty boring to me. Floyd clearly is the better technical fighter. I wonder if he has enough energy left after that fight to go hit some women tonight.

[Groin_pull]

Eh. I don't watch a lot of boxing, but it seemed pretty boring to me. Floyd clearly is the better technical fighter. I wonder if he has enough energy left after that fight to go hit some women tonight.

Naw, I'm sure all that running and hugging wore him out.

[77ncaachamps]

Mayweather's name should never be mentioned in the same sentence with Ali.

Ali will forever be the king!

[JWags85]

I had two schools of thought on the fight tonight.

First, it was tremendously boring from a flash perspective.  Neither fighter was bruised or damaged really, few shots of significance that you could see without a super slow mo replay.  Pacquiao not even attempting to go for a knockout when clearly behind in the final 2 rounds.

On the other hand, from a technical perspective, Mayweather was masterful. Mayweather landed almost twice as many punches as Manny, despite Manny being a volume puncher.  His connection percentage was so far below his averages, it was incredible.  Mayweather baited him into flurries on the ropes, which got the pro-Manny fans at the bar I was at screaming with joy, until you realized none of the punches landed.  Its way more entertaining to watch a brawl, but Mayweather's speed was incredible, especially at 38.  There was also a round when the fight was still close where Mayweather clearly had the round won, heard 10 second signal, and immediately changed position to ride out the round and get the 10 points.  Some people hate it, but in a fight likely going to decision, thats brilliant fight management.

[tower912]

Another masterful job by Floyd.   He is what he is.   Undefeated, even lacking a big thunder punch.    A tribute to defensive mastery and strategy.

[Groin_pull]

Another masterful job by Floyd.   He is what he is.   Undefeated, even lacking a big thunder punch.    A tribute to defensive mastery and strategy.

Slap and run. What a warrior. 

[jficke13]

Another masterful job by Floyd.   He is what he is.   Undefeated, even lacking a big thunder punch.    A tribute to defensive mastery and strategy.

It's more of a tribute to him exploiting the scoring rules and being content to win boring decisions. Not exactly what people picture when they think of boxing, but it's perfectly legal and obviously extremely effective.

[tower912]

Slap and run. What a warrior.  

Scoreboard.   I don't really enjoy watching it either.   But he has fragile hands and lacks a thunderous punch and has managed to go 48-0 anyway.  Everybody he fights ends up fighting Floyd's fight and ultimately furious and frustrated.   No one has ever been able to force him into a slugfest, no one has ever caught him and forced him to brawl.   

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Slap and run. What a warrior. 

You can say the same thing about Ali. Im not saying theyre in the same conversation, Ali is much better, but he did not have very good punching power, he was just so fast and was so good defensively. Used his quick feet and hands to his advantage by giving small jabs and avoiding punches.

[Groin_pull]

You can say the same thing about Ali. Im not saying theyre in the same conversation, Ali is much better, but he did not have very good punching power, he was just so fast and was so good defensively. Used his quick feet and hands to his advantage by giving small jabs and avoiding punches.

Avoiding punches? Ali is basically a vegetable from all the shots he took.

[jesmu84]

Did anyone catch Mayweather's post-fight press conferences? Some of that is on the reporters and asking terrible questions. But man.. he's just a guy that's so easy to loathe. I also dislike the talk of him being one of the "greats". No doubt he's extremely good and effective, but his career has been so, so managed/produced. How many fights did he get into where there was ever a real threat?

As for the fight.. yea, it was underwhelming, if you've never seen a Mayweather fight before. Manny apparently had some injury which slowed him down after the 3rd or 4th round. Also, how many times can one guy get warned for wrapping up?

Not being a huge boxing guy... is there ever a situation where a fighter purely being more aggressive than Mayweather would get rewarded by judges?

[jesmu84]

http://devour.com/video/floyd-mayweathers-punch-out/

[Galway Eagle]

Did anyone catch Mayweather's post-fight press conferences? Some of that is on the reporters and asking terrible questions. But man.. he's just a guy that's so easy to loathe. I also dislike the talk of him being one of the "greats". No doubt he's extremely good and effective, but his career has been so, so managed/produced. How many fights did he get into where there was ever a real threat?

As for the fight.. yea, it was underwhelming, if you've never seen a Mayweather fight before. Manny apparently had some injury which slowed him down after the 3rd or 4th round. Also, how many times can one guy get warned for wrapping up?

Not being a huge boxing guy... is there ever a situation where a fighter purely being more aggressive than Mayweather would get rewarded by judges?

He is considered one of the great because of his defense, and I'd agree with that. Definitely not top 5 perhaps not even top 10. But I'd rank him top 25 for sure. 

I do have a problem with people saying things about him being over managed or never having faught a real challenge.  People who are certainly going to be hall of famers he's faught: Manny Pacquiao, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Arturo Gatti.  Plus a multitude of good boxers and champions in Ortiz, Alvarez, Judah, Castillo, Maidana, Guerrero and more.  It's not Floyd's fault boxing hasn't had loads of real challenges in his era. He's fought every big super star in his path who else is left? Lemont Peterson? Timothy Bradley? Up to Middleweight and fight G.G.G.? He was honestly in trouble once against Hatton and if Hatton had any defense to him he would have been able to capitalize, Cotto had Floyd better than most but punched himself out down the stretch, Castillo had Floyd pretty well and that fight is always pointed to being a robbery, Maidana 1 was a pretty darn close fight and I could see how people would say Maidana won. 

Clinching is perfectly legal, he was getting warned for holding Manny's head down but Pacquao also ducked into it many times so they weren't going to take a point away. 

They won't really reward anybody for purely being more aggressive. Perhaps if a lot of that aggression solidly connected they might give pretty even round to him but that's it. 

[Galway Eagle]

http://devour.com/video/floyd-mayweathers-punch-out/

This is hilarious