Wojo's Leash

[keefe]

  Assistant for a long time is very different than you being the head coach. 

Two words: Hank Raymonds...

[keefe]

Majerus needed to leave and Marquette needed him to leave.

They were running out of gym towels?

[real chili 83]

And we would have been in the NCAA Tournament if we had one of either Dean Meminger, Lloyd Walton, or Sam Worthen at the point.

It was amazing how quick Worthen was. 

Is he still with the Globetrotters?

[Lennys Tap]

4) If the Internet existed in 1967 and the team had the following it does today, YES, AL WOULD BE ON THE HOT SEAT WITH THE SCOOP CROWD. I don't want to think what this group would have done when we went to the NIT (even though, in those days, the NIT title meant something bigger than today). This group would have roasted Al on a spit on Wisconsin Avenue many times over!

dg-

You're wrong. I was there (I think you were too) and I was a fanatical supporter who never missed a game. Criticism of Al didn't come early when he was rescusitating a program that was on life support when he arrived. It was AFTER Al had established himself and MU was a powerhouse that the critics arrived.

Some were the entitled folks who weren't around for or chose not to remember the horrid condition of MU basketball when Al took over. Others were the "Chico faction" who didn't like Al's recruiting (too poor, too black, too low SATs), his "Just win, baby" philosophy and his battles with the powerful folks in charge at the NCAA.

But again, my recollection is the critics didn't emerge until excellence on the court started to be taken for granted.

Wojo arrived in the midst of what we hope will continue to be our second best era in MU history. Like the last 8 or 9 years in the McGuire era the fan base is a bit entitled. Right or wrong, the entitled will always be quicker to criticize.

[Galway Eagle]

And we would have been in the NCAA Tournament if we had one of either Dean Meminger, Lloyd Walton, or Sam Worthen at the point.

I don't know they'd be pretty old now days. Might be better to have a younger person playing point.

[brandx]

dg-

You're wrong. I was there (I think you were too) and I was a fanatical supporter who never missed a game. Criticism of Al didn't come early when he was rescusitating a program that was on life support when he arrived. It was AFTER Al had established himself and MU was a powerhouse that the critics arrived.

But again, my recollection is the critics didn't emerge until excellence on the court started to be taken for granted.

Glad to read that, Lenny. It is exactly as I remember. And the most howling came in the year that they won it all. If Scoop was around then, I'm guessing the discussions over Bill Neary would have come close to matching those over Derrick.

[mu03eng]

Only thing I can contribute to this thread at this point

[Lennys Tap]

Glad to read that, Lenny. It is exactly as I remember. And the most howling came in the year that they won it all. If Scoop was around then, I'm guessing the discussions over Bill Neary would have come close to matching those over Derrick.

Yeah, Until the tournament 76-77 would have been ugly if Scoop was around.

[Pakuni]

Only thing I can contribute to this thread at this point

An Emma Stone gif is a positive contribution to any thread.

[The Lens]

When I first saw this post I assumed it was Wojo's leash with his players.  The fact that it is the Admin's leash on Wojo is just fantastic.  The Internet is amazing.

[Herman Cain]

Two words: Hank Raymonds...

I am still pissed off about the loss to Miami of Ohio.  We had a clean shot at another title that year.

[keefe]

I am still pissed off about the loss to Miami of Ohio.  We had a clean shot at another title that year.

I remember thinking: this is the beginning of the end.

We had everyone back but Bo.

[Herman Cain]

I remember thinking: this is the beginning of the end.

We had everyone back but Bo.

I can remember sitting in the stands at Market Square thinking the same thing. It was truly an opportunity wasted. We had an incredible lineup.

[Goose]

It was the beginning of the end and took too many too long to realize it. Still a dark day in history of the program.

[tower912]

  Have some patience, FFS.

Make this your signature.   

[warriorchick]

It was amazing how quick Worthen was. 

Is he still with the Globetrotters?

He never actually played for the Globetrotters.  He was the coach of the Washington Generals, which doesn't exist as a team anymore.

[bilsu]

I remember thinking: this is the beginning of the end.

We had everyone back but Bo.

That game showed what a crap shoot the NCAA tournament can be. While Raymonds' winning percentage was less than Al's, no subsequest coach has come close to Hank's winning percentage. His recruiting was on an uptick, when he turned the program over to Majerus, which was the end.

[Cooby Snacks]

So it doesn't actually take games played into account? It just uses academic year?

Year of eligibility, so generally yes--redshirts and transfers are exceptions. I think this poses more of a problem for juco players who are listed as juniors but have no D1 experience. With 351 teams, it's probably a hassle to dig into everyone's minutes and games ever played, so this is a reasonable enough shortcut.

ADDITIONALLY... looking at Pomeroy's experience rankings today, there are almost 80 teams that don't have heights or eligibility years listed at this point in the season. So at this stage MU is #273 out of 282 in the experience category. Again, we have a really young group.

[warriorchick]

Make this your signature.   

Done.

[tower912]

I think he has resurfaced on the scout board.   There is a new guy over there who has remarkably similar opinions, though he hasn't really gone over the top yet.   (deeznuts)

I present to you.

http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/14300623-90-of-good-teams-can-hit-3-s?s=415&page=2

 

[keefe]

It was amazing how quick Worthen was. 

Is he still with the Globetrotters?

That's why they called him Sudden Sam. One of the greatest to ever come out of NYC. Incredible talent

[Goose]

Sam and Artie Green both are NYC playground legends.

[Jay Bee]

An Emma Stone gif is a positive contribution to any thread.

She is ugly. Not sure what it is.. well, her mouth, but not sure how to describe it. But she looks like a goat turd.

[Eldon]

I've only listened to the games (all two of them) on the radio, but nobody (at least not yet) seems to want to be "the guy." 

Game is on the line and the team is in time-out.  Which current player beats his chest and says "give me the ball!?" 

We had a guy who I think would have done that.  He would have been that guy.  He's now at Iowa State.

[GGGG]

To be fair, the guy at Iowa State said that every time he touched the ball.