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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on May 15, 2013, 09:57:35 AM
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As a state of Illinois taxpayer, I am infinity percent against this plan. If the city wants to use their own money, fine, I don't care. As a Kane County resident, I expect to contribute zero dollars and zero cents to this proposal, and I live in the suburbs. Quinn's up for re-election next year, after saying "no way will I raise state income taxes" during his last campaign (for those that don't live in the state, income taxes went up 66% literally minutes before the incoming state legislature for 2011 was coming in), there is no way he will offer state money for this. Good luck trying to convince anyone south of I-80 to support this.
Kane county residents consider themselves in suburbs? We consider you in the country...
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Kane county residents consider themselves in suburbs? We consider you in the country...
Get out of the city once in awhile, Boxer. Urban sprawl goes practically to DeKalb now. And there aren't many farms left in Kane, especially the ones that aren't basically tourist attractions with apples and pumpkins instead of corn and soybeans.
When we moved to Western DuPage 24 years ago, it was the boonies. Now we are almost considered an inner suburb.
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Get out of the city once in awhile, Boxer. Urban sprawl goes practically to DeKalb now. And there aren't many farms left in Kane, especially the ones that aren't basically tourist attractions with apples and pumpkins instead of corn and soybeans.
When we moved to Western DuPage 24 years ago, it was the boonies. Now we are almost considered an inner suburb.
The farthest out I dare venture is to the Woodfield Mall anywhere past that the Deliverance song always starts playing for some reason. But more seriously, if Dupage is considered inner suburbs what're Oak Park, Berwyn, Cicero and Park Ridge considered now days?
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The farthest out I dare venture is to the Woodfield Mall anywhere past that the Deliverance song always starts playing for some reason. But more seriously, if Dupage is considered inner suburbs what're Oak Park, Berwyn, Cicero and Park Ridge considered now days?
It is better to deal with all the deliverance people out west than the crap that resides in the city. I love Chicago, alot of it is great, but much of it is a cesspool. Glad I live in the burbs, all the good stuff the city has to offer a half hour away, but lawns and ample free parking. I can't imagine why anyone over 27 would want to live in the city.
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It is better to deal with all the deliverance people out west than the crap that resides in the city. I love Chicago, alot of it is great, but much of it is a cesspool. Glad I live in the burbs, all the good stuff the city has to offer a half hour away, but lawns and ample free parking. I can't imagine why anyone over 27 would want to live in the city.
Well I'm not over 27 but I can say my parents were right off the boat from Ireland and we moved to a neighborhood to be close to other families that were right off the boat. Beyond that, no commute, not have to drive to do anything, block parties that are legit, a new adventure around every corner for kids, and you can park on the street. (something I missed when we moved to Oak Park)
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I can't imagine why anyone over 27 would want to live in the city.
Really? World class restaurants, theaters, concert venues, and ballparks within a stone's toss to name a few reasons.
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But more seriously, if Dupage is considered inner suburbs what're Oak Park, Berwyn, Cicero and Park Ridge considered now days?
The City.
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Good luck trying to convince anyone south of I-80 to support this.
The folks south of I-80 don't support most of what the State of Illinois does. Since when has that mattered?
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The farthest out I dare venture is to the Woodfield Mall anywhere past that the Deliverance song always starts playing for some reason. But more seriously, if Dupage is considered inner suburbs what're Oak Park, Berwyn, Cicero and Park Ridge considered now days?
The only people who consider DuPage an inner suburb are the people who live in DuPage.
Its the boondocks.
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Really? World class restaurants, theaters, concert venues, and ballparks within a stone's toss to name a few reasons.
Don't forget horrendous taxes, crime, government corruption, unforgivably terrible public schools, traffic, crumbling infrastructure.......
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The City.
Which means the actual city is considered... what exactly? And does this also mean that Milwaukee and Rockford are suburbs of Chicago? Because that's where this seams to be heading.
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Glad I live in the burbs, all the good stuff the city has to offer a half hour away
Really? I'm curious what suburb you're referring to.
I work in the suburbs and live in the city. I'm not saying I'd raise a family here, but I'm in my late 20s and the suburbs offer nothing of what the city offers.
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Don't forget horrendous taxes, crime, government corruption, unforgivably terrible public schools, traffic, crumbling infrastructure.......
Spoken like a true suburbanite.
But the big box stores and chain restaurants have so much more character, right? Yes, nothing beats Chili's on a Friday.
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Don't forget horrendous taxes, crime, government corruption, unforgivably terrible public schools, traffic, crumbling infrastructure.......
As someone who attended CPS till he was 16 I can say you are probably just going off of a stereotype of how bad the schools are. Lane Tech, Lincoln Park, North Shore Academy all can hold their own against the best of the schools in Illinois. Horrendous crime is easily avoided by something called street smarts which you only get from living in the city. Taxes are something that are going to happen no matter where you go. Traffic is bad due to the people driving around commuting from the suburbs if you know your way around or use CTA you don't need to deal with it.
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Spoken like a true suburbanite.
But the big box stores and chain restaurants have so much more character, right? Yes, nothing beats Chili's on a Friday.
Hadn't even made it to this argument yet, glad you beat me to it.
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Spoken like a true suburbanite
Well, now my feelings are hurt........... :'(
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Well, now my feelings are hurt........... :'(
Wasn't meant to be personal, sorry if it came off that way. It just bugs me when people trash the city just because it doesn't fit their personal preferences. Like people who want to live there must be stupid for valuing different things than suburbanites. Especially when so much of it is based in stereotype. I've never once been mugged or felt threatened, get around the city just fine, don't pay for parking, etc. etc.
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As someone who attended CPS till he was 16 I can say you are probably just going off of a stereotype of how bad the schools are. Lane Tech, Lincoln Park, North Shore Academy all can hold their own against the best of the schools in Illinois.
I agree about those schools, but they are magnet schools that draw the cream of the crop of Chicago students. I know several kids that transferred from Catholic grade schools to those schools, because they were fortunate enough to get in. What if you weren't so lucky? Would you send a child of yours to Simeon? And let's assume he isn't a good hoops player.
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Wasn't meant to be personal, sorry if it came off that way. It just bugs me when people trash the city just because it doesn't fit their personal preferences. Like people who want to live there must be stupid for valuing different things than suburbanites. Especially when so much of it is based in stereotype. I've never once been mugged or felt threatened, get around the city just fine, don't pay for parking, etc. etc.
Guess I should have used teal. My skin is a little thicker than that.
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Especially when so much of it is based in stereotype. I've never once been mugged or felt threatened, get around the city just fine, don't pay for parking, etc. etc.
That's what my point was, suburban lovers seems to think that you're going to get mugged no matter where you go. It's easy to stay away from the west side or certain areas on the south side.
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There are also social, environmental and economic costs that suburbanites incur on city dwellers in the form of subsidized home ownership, artificially cheap gasoline, interstate highways, urban sprawl, and devoured nature. City dwellers ultimately subsidize suburban living and it bugs me when those people have the gall to look down on those who choose a more economic (on a macro level, not personally economic) and environmentally efficient lifestyle.
Granted, I'll be the first to admit when I want to raise a family I'm sure I'll move out there. That probably makes me a hypocrite. Oh well.
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I agree about those schools, but they are magnet schools that draw the cream of the crop of Chicago students. I know several kids that transferred from Catholic grade schools to those schools, because they were fortunate enough to get in. What if you weren't so lucky? Would you send a child of yours to Simeon? And let's assume he isn't a good hoops player.
Lincoln Park is a partial magnet school if you're in their area they have to accept you. That's why when Cabrini Green was up they had some of the worst teens in the city going to school with the wealthiest city kids. And ok so if my kids didn't get in to North Shore, Lane Tech, Lincoln Park, Walter Peyton, Jones college prep, Brooks College prep or Whitney Young then they likely weren't raised by me. No i wouldn't send my kids to Simeon, but that's what catholic schools are for Fenwick, Loyola, St Ignatius to name a few easily accessible ones.
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Granted, I'll be the first to admit when I want to raise a family I'm sure I'll move out there. That probably makes me a hypocrite. Oh well.
Turns out if you move to near suburbs like Oak Park or Park Ridge you are still in the city though. Best of both worlds.
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There are also social, environmental and economic costs that suburbanites incur on city dwellers in the form of subsidized home ownership, artificially cheap gasoline, interstate highways, urban sprawl, and devoured nature. City dwellers ultimately subsidize suburban living and it bugs me when those people have the gall to look down on those who choose a more economic (on a macro level, not personally economic) and environmentally efficient lifestyle.
Granted, I'll be the first to admit when I want to raise a family I'm sure I'll move out there. That probably makes me a hypocrite. Oh well.
I am sure it pretty much evens out once you consider the tax money suburbanites send to Springfield that winds up back in Chicago.
But I didn't mean to start a controversy here. Let's just agree to disagree.
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There are also social, environmental and economic costs that suburbanites incur on city dwellers in the form of subsidized home ownership, artificially cheap gasoline, interstate highways, urban sprawl, and devoured nature. City dwellers ultimately subsidize suburban living and it bugs me when those people have the gall to look down on those who choose a more economic (on a macro level, not personally economic) and environmentally efficient lifestyle.
And urban centers impose negative externalities on citizens outside their boundaries, such as greater pollution, crime, state funding for failing schools, and political corruption etc. It probably comes out close to a wash (but I'm confused as to how subsidized home ownership applies only to suburbs, how urban sprawl is an externality at all and how it only impacts urban residents, and what you mean by "devoured nature")
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Really? World class restaurants, theaters, concert venues, and ballparks within a stone's toss to name a few reasons.
They have these amazing things now, called cars. Makes all of those points obsolete. You can drive in from the burbs and experience all of them whenever you want.
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Interesting because suburbanization has actually lead to the re-forestation of lands that were cleared for farming a few generations ago.
This is a very interesting read because the wife and I are currently debating a return to a more urban lifestyle.
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They have these amazing things now, called cars. Makes all of those points obsolete. You can drive in from the burbs and experience all of them whenever you want.
Suburbanites can't complain about traffic and then talk about how convenient it is to drive into the city to experience those things. No, if you are the ones causing the traffic in the first place that's not a valid argument.
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And urban centers impose negative externalities on citizens outside their boundaries, such as greater pollution, crime, state funding for failing schools, and political corruption etc. It probably comes out close to a wash (but I'm confused as to how subsidized home ownership applies only to suburbs, how urban sprawl is an externality at all and how it only impacts urban residents, and what you mean by "devoured nature")
Sprawl (and all of these issues) impacts everyone, not only urban residents. But it wasn't a problem until post World War II period when the federal government began subsidizing home ownership for returning veterans. The point is that its not an "us vs. them" issue, there are costs incurred by suburban sprawl and ultimately all citizens will be paying those costs. Not to mention that big box stores and chain restaurants pay low wages and put independent owners out of business.
Cities are polluted, but are much more efficient (way less pollution per capita) than suburbs. think about the efficiency of 500 people living in a single high rise vs. 100 single family homes, and millions of people taking mass transit vs. each person driving to work in a car.
If you want to know what I mean by devoured nature, look at arial pictures of any metro area before World War II, and then look at the same area now on google maps.
This is actually a pretty objective look at it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crabgrass_Frontier:_The_Suburbanization_of_the_United_States
I read it in an urban history graduate seminar
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Really? I'm curious what suburb you're referring to.
I work in the suburbs and live in the city. I'm not saying I'd raise a family here, but I'm in my late 20s and the suburbs offer nothing of what the city offers.
Naperville. Decent bars, great restaurants. A lot more than big box stores and chain restaurants. But what I meant was, if you want the amenities Chicago has to offer, you are about a half hour away. But you don't have to live there and deal with preposterous taxes, miniscule living space, limited parking, etc.
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Lincoln Park is a partial magnet school if you're in their area they have to accept you. That's why when Cabrini Green was up they had some of the worst teens in the city going to school with the wealthiest city kids. And ok so if my kids didn't get in to North Shore, Lane Tech, Lincoln Park, Walter Peyton, Jones college prep, Brooks College prep or Whitney Young then they likely weren't raised by me. No i wouldn't send my kids to Simeon, but that's what catholic schools are for Fenwick, Loyola, St Ignatius to name a few easily accessible ones.
Fenwick is in the burbs. So is Loyola.
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Sprawl (and all of these issues) impacts everyone, not only urban residents. But it wasn't a problem until post World War II period when the federal government began subsidizing home ownership for returning veterans. The point is that its not an "us vs. them" issue, there are costs incurred by suburban sprawl and ultimately all citizens will be paying those costs. Not to mention that big box stores and chain restaurants pay low wages and put independent owners out of business.
Cities are polluted, but are much more efficient (way less pollution per capita) than suburbs. think about the efficiency of 500 people living in a single high rise vs. 100 single family homes, and millions of people taking mass transit vs. each person driving to work in a car.
If you want to know what I mean by devoured nature, look at arial pictures of any metro area before World War II, and then look at the same area now on google maps.
Thanks for the history lesson, but your original contention was that city dwellers "subsidized" suburban living (thereby making it an "us v them" issue"). Yes, obviously there are costs imposed by any particular city layout, my point is merely that each side imposes negative externalities on the other and its misleading to contend that somehow Chicago is subsidizing those living in the burbs.
I won't get into your dispute with big box stores and environmental argument...
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Fenwick is in the burbs. So is Loyola.
I know but I was working off of Warriorchick's earlier definition of the city. But if it'd make you more comfortable Gordon Tech and St Benedict. (Sorry I'm a north sider so Brother Rice and Marist aren't on my radar)
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Suburbanites can't complain about traffic and then talk about how convenient it is to drive into the city to experience those things. No, if you are the ones causing the traffic in the first place that's not a valid argument.
And when exactly did I complain about traffic? But ok, traffic sucks and I don't want to drive. Well, they have these other amazing things called trains. They stop in just about every suburb and take you into the city no hassle no problem. You can even sleep and drink on them!
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And when exactly did I complain about traffic? But ok, traffic sucks and I don't want to drive. Well, they have these other amazing things called trains. They stop in just about every suburb and take you into the city no hassle no problem. You can even sleep and drink on them!
I did not say you I said suburbanites. Warriorchick used Traffic an argument against the city.
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And does this also mean that Milwaukee and Rockford are suburbs of Chicago?
Having grown up in Rockford, for the last 25 years in Wisconsin, I have answered the question of where I'm from with, "Illinois, not Chicago". This normally softens the intial reaction of WI natives to me being from Illinois. Please don't suggest that Rockford is a suburb now.
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Having grown up in Rockford, for the last 25 years in Wisconsin, I have answered the question of where I'm from with, "Illinois, not Chicago". This normally softens the intial reaction of WI natives to me being from Illinois. Please don't suggest that Rockford is a suburb now.
I was just trying to point out how foolish that suggesting west dupage is an inner suburb is. I don't actually believe Rockford is a suburb of chicago, but by the logic she used it pretty much would be.
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That's what my point was, suburban lovers seems to think that you're going to get mugged no matter where you go. It's easy to stay away from the west side or certain areas on the south side.
Ugh, are you guys really arguing suburbs vs city? Chicago is a Alpha+ global city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city) (one of just 10) and we're all lucky to live so close to it. Some people like to be immersed in city culture while others like to experience from time to time, to each their own...
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I did not say you I said suburbanites. Warriorchick used Traffic an argument against the city.
Ok well, in any case traffic is a silly argument. There is plenty of traffic in the city without the suburbanites, not to mention narrow streets and people on bikes taking up entire lanes. There is also plenty of traffic in the suburbs and the way into the city. Lots of people and poor road designs. Traffic is a way of life in any metro area. I drive a ton for work, many times the worst traffic I encounter is on 294, which does not head into the city at all.
It is also just stupid to refer to DuPage and Kane counties as the boonies. DuPage county has about the same population as Milwaukee county. DuPage and Kane match the entire Milwaukee metro area.
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Ugh, are you guys really arguing suburbs vs city? Chicago is a Alpha+ global city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city) (one of just 10) and we're all lucky to live so close to it. Some people like to be immersed in city culture while others like to experience from time to time, to each their own...
Completely agree. Perfectly put. Personally I love the city. But I'm happy that when I go home, I head to the burbs.
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I was just trying to point out how foolish that suggesting west dupage is an inner suburb is. I don't actually believe Rockford is a suburb of chicago, but by the logic she used it pretty much would be.
Okay, it's called "hyperbole". What color should we use for that? :)
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Ok well, in any case traffic is a silly argument. There is plenty of traffic in the city without the suburbanites, not to mention narrow streets and people on bikes taking up entire lanes. There is also plenty of traffic in the suburbs and the way into the city. Lots of people and poor road designs. Traffic is a way of life in any metro area. I drive a ton for work, many times the worst traffic I encounter is on 294, which does not head into the city at all.
It is also just stupid to refer to DuPage and Kane counties as the boonies. DuPage county has about the same population as Milwaukee county. DuPage and Kane match the entire metro area.
Fact Checking: Kane County population is 515,269 in 2010 Dupage is 923,222. Chicago's is 8,711,000. I'd say it's at least a little bit bigger. Now Milwaukee City's Urban population is listed recently at 1,308,913. Which means the city alone is considerably bigger than both Dupage and Kane counties. Sounds like the country to me.
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Completely agree. Perfectly put. Personally I love the city. But I'm happy that when I go home, I head to the burbs.
And just think how crowded the city we be if all of us suburbanites tried to cram ourselves into it. We are giving you citydwellers some space. You're welcome.
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And just think how crowded the city we be if all of us suburbanites tried to cram ourselves into it. We are giving you citydwellers some space. You're welcome.
I don't have a problem with those who wish to live there I could understand the appeal to certain people. But what I don't get is why suburbanites get up in arms about city ordeals when it has no effect on them and judge the city portraying themselves as experts on issues like urban crime or traffic patterns.
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As someone who attended CPS till he was 16 I can say you are probably just going off of a stereotype of how bad the schools are. Lane Tech, Lincoln Park, North Shore Academy all can hold their own against the best of the schools in Illinois. Horrendous crime is easily avoided by something called street smarts which you only get from living in the city. Taxes are something that are going to happen no matter where you go. Traffic is bad due to the people driving around commuting from the suburbs if you know your way around or use CTA you don't need to deal with it.
Kinda curious, since those schools are so great, why didn't you finish at a cps school?
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Kinda curious, since those schools are so great, why didn't you finish at a cps school?
divorce sent me to OPRF.
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I don't have a problem with those who wish to live there I could understand the appeal to certain people. But what I don't get is why suburbanites get up in arms about city ordeals when it has no effect on them and judge the city portraying themselves as experts on issues like urban crime or traffic patterns.
Believe it or not, suburbanites contribute a lot to the city and many spend a great deal of time in the city, and much of the city, not just their neighborhoods. Many are probably much more expert on those topics than a lot of people that have Chicago addresses. The city of Chicago and every thing it does has an effect on the entire state. Especially the collar counties. The people that live in the suburbs definitely have a vested interest in the goings on in the city. As do all residents of Illinois.
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Believe it or not, suburbanites contribute a lot to the city and many spend a great deal of time in the city, and much of the city, not just their neighborhoods. Many are probably much more expert on those topics than a lot of people that have Chicago addresses. The city of Chicago and every thing it does has an effect on the entire state. Especially the collar counties. The people that live in the suburbs definitely have a vested interest in the goings on in the city. As do all residents of Illinois.
I have a hard time believing that a person who drives into the city for sports games and work knows more about what areas to avoid that the people who grew up there. But that's just a matter of opinion.
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divorce sent me to OPRF.
Well, I'm glad you survived your excursion to the suburbs. Hopefully you received your inoculations, to protect you from the strange diseases us inbred hicks in the burbs have.
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Well, I'm glad you survived your excursion to the suburbs. Hopefully you received your inoculations, to protect you from the strange diseases us inbred hicks in the burbs have.
No remember Oak Park is in the city evidently the city now a days, luckily I didn't have to venture far out.
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If you want to live in the city but have a suburban feel you can always live in Saganash (spelling?) or Beverly those are some nice neighborhoods.
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I have a hard time believing that a person who drives into the city for sports games and work knows more about what areas to avoid that the people who grew up there. But that's just a matter of opinion.
Ok well, my opinion and experience is totally opposite. Anyone who grew up anywhere in the Chicagoland area knows the areas to aviod. Also not everyone just drives to one office and stays there all day. Some people have an office on wheels and cover the city north to south east to west. It really benefits people like that to have very expansive knowledge of traffic patterns.
And do you really think someone that grew up on the Gold Coast has more street smarts than someone from say, Blue Island or Cal City, or someone from Lincoln Park has more street smarts than someone from Cicero or Maywood?
Most people from the city are very familiar with their own neighborhood and the loop. Not the entire city.
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Ok well, my opinion and experience is totally opposite. Anyone who grew up anywhere in the Chicagoland area knows the areas to aviod. Also not everyone just drives to one office and stays there all day. Some people have an office on wheels and cover the city north to south east to west. It really benefits people like that to have very expansive knowledge of traffic patterns.
And do you really think someone that grew up on the Gold Coast has more street smarts than someone from say, Blue Island or Cal City, or someone from Lincoln Park has more street smarts than someone from Cicero or Maywood?
Most people from the city are very familiar with their own neighborhood and the loop. Not the entire city.
No idea what Blue Island or Cal City are. Cicero and Maywood vs Lincoln Park now days I'll give you, though when Cabrini Green was still around I'd have argued that. But when I was talking suburbs I was talking farther out surburbs. I think that it's pretty easy to take Maywood Cicero or Berwyn or even east Oak Park as examples of suburban people who'd have developed street smarts out of necessity.
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I lived in the city for 6 years after college and moved out to the Western suburbs a little over a year ago, but still come to the city for work and to socialize with friends that still live there. Both the city and suburbs have their positives and negatives.
I had a blast living in the city, but can't really see how/why people would want to raise a family in the city given the higher prices and less space, but to each their own.
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No idea what Blue Island or Cal City are. Cicero and Maywood vs Lincoln Park now days I'll give you, though when Cabrini Green was still around I'd have argued that. But when I was talking suburbs I was talking farther out surburbs. I think that it's pretty easy to take Maywood Cicero or Berwyn or even east Oak Park as examples of suburban people who'd have developed street smarts out of necessity.
They are south suburbs.
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I lived in the city for 6 years after college and moved out to the Western suburbs a little over a year ago, but still come to the city for work and to socialize with friends that still live there. Both the city and suburbs have their positives and negatives.
I had a blast living in the city, but can't really see how/why people would want to raise a family in the city given the higher prices and less space, but to each their own.
Almost exactly the same. Lived in city for 5 years and just bought a house in Forest Park. Lived in Edgewater near Loyola. I find it funny the way our friends reacted to my wife and I moving to Forest Park. We are equidistant to downtown living in Forest Park.
Don't get all high and mighty about living in the city it doesn't make you more knowledgeable than suburbanites. Most people who live in the city never leave the neighborhood they live in..which is fine. The city offers convenience.
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Finally, someone is talking sense in this thread.
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Superbar!
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No remember Oak Park is in the city evidently the city now a days, luckily I didn't have to venture far out.
Whoo hooo... I have a condo AND, as of tomorrow, a house in the city! And that has everything to do with DePaul, I think.
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Naperville. Decent bars, great restaurants. A lot more than big box stores and chain restaurants. But what I meant was, if you want the amenities Chicago has to offer, you are about a half hour away. But you don't have to live there and deal with preposterous taxes, miniscule living space, limited parking, etc.
You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV. In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.
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You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV. In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.
Dude seriously? Chicago is completely segregated. It is actually pretty ridiculous how divided the city is. Naperville is also more racially diverse than... Marquette University! Don't be such a poopyhead.
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You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV. In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.
Oooh, the race card. That's really classy.
Better not tell those scared white folks that WNBA star Candace Parker went to Naperville Central!
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You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV. In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.
Most people live in the suburbs because you get more house, and more property, for the $$$ than in the city. And the public schools are almost always better.
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Dude seriously? Chicago is completely segregated. It is actually pretty ridiculous how divided the city is. Naperville is also more racially diverse than... Marquette University! Don't be such a poopyhead.
Aren't you the same one who brought up the bogus facts of Kane and Dupage's populations compared to Chicago and Milwaukee? Because your racially diverse statement is bogus too. Naperville has a 2.54% African American population while Marquette is 4.8% neither looks great but really you should fact check yourself before throwing random statements out there.
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Most people live in the suburbs because you get more house, and more property, for the $$$ than in the city. And the public schools are almost always better.
As you can see half of the top 10 Illinois High Schools are CPS schools. http://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schoolrank.aspx?level=3
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I'm a happy city dweller of over 20 years and I get suburbs. If I worked out there, I totally would give it consideration. But I live in a good area of the city that has good schools and I enjoy the moderate hustle of the neighborhood and my neighbors are great.
Oh wait...
Did anyone else watch the Chicago Tonight piece on the DePaul arena???
Only an economist from UofC showed up out of the invited panelists. And financially it makes no sense to do it. Throw a casino in, and then it might start making sense.
Here's the link: http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2013/05/14/sun-times-depaul-stadium-planned-mccormick-place
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As you can see half of the top 10 Illinois High Schools are CPS schools. http://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schoolrank.aspx?level=3
OK....how about "better overall."
I mean, Rufus King is considered one of the best high schools in Wisconsin, but that doesn't mean MPS is a good school district. It's simply easier to live in Brookfield or New Berlin and not have to worry about getting your kid in a magnet school.
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I'm a happy city dweller of over 20 years and I get suburbs. If I worked out there, I totally would give it consideration. But I live in a good area of the city that has good schools and I enjoy the moderate hustle of the neighborhood and my neighbors are great.
Oh wait...
Did anyone else watch the Chicago Tonight piece on the DePaul arena???
Only an economist from UofC showed up out of the invited panelists. And financially it makes no sense to do it. Throw a casino in, and then it might start making sense.
Here's the link: http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2013/05/14/sun-times-depaul-stadium-planned-mccormick-place
This board isn't about the Depaul Arena
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OK....how about "better overall."
I mean, Rufus King is considered one of the best high schools in Wisconsin, but that doesn't mean MPS is a good school district. It's simply easier to live in Brookfield or New Berlin and not have to worry about getting your kid in a magnet school.
Based on ISAT and PSAE test scores.
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Are you the same one who brought up the bogus fact of Kane and Dupage's populations? Because your racially diverse statement is bogus too. Naperville has a 2.54% African American population while Marquette is 4.8% neither looks great but really you should fact check yourself before throwing random statements out there.
No, that was someone else. Really, you should read through the previous posts before throwing random statements out there.
By the way, I don't live in Naperville, and my kids received an excellent education from a public high school that is less than 50% white. I didn't have to shell out $14K per year each for private high school tuition like I would have had to in the city.
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No, that was someone else. Really, you should read through the previous posts before throwing random statements out there.
By the way, I don't live in Naperville, and my kids received an excellent education from a public high school that is less than 50% white. I didn't have to shell out $14K per year each for private high school tuition like I would have had to in the city.
No it was Buckchuckler I just double checked but thank you for trying to bust me. I didn't hate on Naperville, so I hope that statement wasn't directed at me but you wouldn't have had to shell out 14k for a private high school, as noted by the Illinois High School rankings I just posted.
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Aren't you the same one who brought up the bogus facts of Kane and Dupage's populations compared to Chicago and Milwaukee? Because your racially diverse statement is bogus too. Naperville has a 2.54% African American population while Marquette is 4.8% neither looks great but really you should fact check yourself before throwing random statements out there.
DuPage County population 923,222
Kane County population 515,2969
Milwaukee County population 955205
Milwaukee Metro 1,566,981
Naperville has an African American population of 4.7%.
Marquette is 4.8
Naperville is 24% minorities
Marquette is just over 15%
Naperville is more diverse than Marquette.
Not sure what bogus numbers I am using. You are the one who keeps making silly claims with nothing to back them up.
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DuPage County population 923,222
Kane County population 515,2969
Milwaukee County population 955205
Milwaukee Metro 1,566,981
Naperville has an African American population of 4.7%.
Marquette is 4.8
Naperville is 24% minorities
Marquette is just over 15%
Naperville is more diverse than Marquette.
Not sure what bogus numbers I am using. You are the one who keeps making silly claims with nothing to back them up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naperville,_Illinois#Demographics Says otherwise
And those are the numbers I used about Milwaukee metro. Also from wikepedia if you'd like to double check any of my numbers.
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http://www.naperville.il.us/demographics.aspx
Ok, whatever. Either way, they are about the same. Making racial statements like that is completely stupid and ignores the fact that the University this board is related to is lily white. It also ignores the fact that Chicago as a city is racially divided.
Still unclear on what numbers I made up regarding Kane and DuPage Counties. I also never compared them to Chicago, that was your own comprehension problem. And Chicago's population isn't over 8 million. That is the metro area.
So Milwaukee Metro is 1.5 Mill and Kane and DuPage are 1.4. How is that off? I didn't say they were bigger. I said they were "at match for". Those population numbers are pretty darn close.
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http://www.naperville.il.us/demographics.aspx
Ok, whatever. Either way, they are about the same. Making racial statements like that is completely stupid and ignores the fact that the University this board is related to is lily white. It also ignores the fact that Chicago as a city is racially divided.
Still unclear on what numbers I made up regarding Kane and DuPage Counties. I also never compared them to Chicago Metro, that was your own comprehension problem.
Your right I reread saw it said Metro area referring to Milwaukee Metro I originally read it as Chicago Metro for some reason.
I also read your statement to mean that Kane and Dupage individually were the same size and Milwaukee Metro rather than together. Though Two whole counties being put together being the same size as a small city still isn't exactly the greatest argument for why those aren't small communities.
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Dude seriously? Chicago is completely segregated. It is actually pretty ridiculous how divided the city is. Naperville is also more racially diverse than... Marquette University! Don't be such a poopyhead.
My bad... I thought you DuPagers had a sense of humor.
I expected more from a locale where their one homeless guy is a quasi-celebrity, not to mention a former mayoral candidate. (As I said... there is no political suicide in Illinois.)
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My bad... I thought you DuPagers had a sense of humor.
I expected more from a locale where their one homeless guy is a quasi-celebrity, not to mention a former mayoral candidate. (As I said... there is no political suicide in Illinois.)
Hey, that homeless guy is the man. Friend him on facebook.
If that was a joke, I feel it was poorly executed. Sorry.
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Thank you Naperville residents for the other part of the McPier bond you are bankrolling...
(http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/chicago/chicago_navy_pier_m270212_7.jpg)
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This entire thread has gotten ridiculous. If you're in your 20's and yelling about how the suburbs suck, shut up already, my god. I live in Elgin, which is the 8th largest city in the state, and part of Kane County. I have a wife and two kids, plenty of house/plenty of land, not in U-46. I love Chicago, but am more than fine not living in the city proper and raising 3 year old twins there. Chicago's an hour away on 90, it's easy to get there just fine with my own car or public transportation.
For the record, Milwaukee is a great city. The suburbs of Milwaukee that I've been too many times are all fine and worthy of raising a family.
The mentality of "I live in the city, I'm holier than though" is juvenile.
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Is this a bad time to mention my high school was 99.3% white?
This whole 'What is a suburb?" argument is stupid. CMAP clearly defines suburban Chicago as Cook, Kane, DuPage, Lake, McHenry, Will & Lake (IN). While I'm from McHenry County, I would never, ever say I'm from a Chicago suburb.
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Aww man my sarcastic comment gets credited for starting an argument? Man I don't wanna be "that" guy.
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Aww man my sarcastic comment gets credited for starting an argument? Man I don't wanna be "that" guy.
Sorry man, sarcastic or not, you started the war!
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Just a note as I am not joking, that iceberg image was one of the final designs to spend $80million for Navy Pier bond money. The Titanic that is the DePaul Arena is a row boat compared to that monstrosity,
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Interesting because suburbanization has actually lead to the re-forestation of lands that were cleared for farming a few generations ago.
perhaps you should visit the Pacific Northwest and see the Cascades...
(http://ostertagphoto.com/Forests/OR2492O.jpg)
(http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/43/4363/8GUSF00Z/posters/scott-t-smith-old-growth-forest-cascade-mountains-opal-creek-wilderness-willamette-national-forest-oregon-us.jpg)
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The Naperville bum!! He makes a cameo on Scoop! I don't believe it! Exclamation point!
I remember my priest one time giving a homily about caring for the poor and he actually brought up the Naperville bum. My priest went up to him and was chatting with him for quite some time. He said that the bum feels bad, is often disrespected, and is treated generally poorly by locals.
A friend from school (MU) told me that she was from Naperville and I told her about the bum and she said "that guy isn't even a bum! He has a laptop!!"
Is this guy really that known in the Chicagoland area?
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This entire thread has gotten ridiculous. If you're in your 20's and yelling about how the suburbs suck, shut up already, my god. I live in Elgin, which is the 8th largest city in the state, and part of Kane County. I have a wife and two kids, plenty of house/plenty of land, not in U-46. I love Chicago, but am more than fine not living in the city proper and raising 3 year old twins there. Chicago's an hour away on 90, it's easy to get there just fine with my own car or public transportation.
For the record, Milwaukee is a great city. The suburbs of Milwaukee that I've been too many times are all fine and worthy of raising a family.
The mentality of "I live in the city, I'm holier than though" is juvenile.
If you're single and in your 20s, the suburbs do suck. Hell, if you're married with no kids, the suburbs suck. If you're married with 3 kids and in your 30s (like me), the suburbs are awesome. It's all about place in life.
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If you're not from the Suburbs, don't come to the Suburbs, cause you wouldn't understand the Suburbs!
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The Naperville bum!! He makes a cameo on Scoop! I don't believe it! Exclamation point!
I remember my priest one time giving a homily about caring for the poor and he actually brought up the Naperville bum. My priest went up to him and was chatting with him for quite some time. He said that the bum feels bad, is often disrespected, and is treated generally poorly by locals.
A friend from school (MU) told me that she was from Naperville and I told her about the bum and she said "that guy isn't even a bum! He has a laptop!!"
Is this guy really that known in the Chicagoland area?
A laptop and a generator.
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Lincoln Park is a partial magnet school if you're in their area they have to accept you. That's why when Cabrini Green was up they had some of the worst teens in the city going to school with the wealthiest city kids. And ok so if my kids didn't get in to North Shore, Lane Tech, Lincoln Park, Walter Peyton, Jones college prep, Brooks College prep or Whitney Young then they likely weren't raised by me. No i wouldn't send my kids to Simeon, but that's what catholic schools are for Fenwick, Loyola, St Ignatius to name a few easily accessible ones.
Fenwick is in the burbs. So is Loyola.
Don't forget Mt. Carmel, St. Rita, Br. Rice, Marist, De La Salle, Gordon Tech.
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I was just trying to point out how foolish that suggesting west dupage is an inner suburb is. I don't actually believe Rockford is a suburb of chicago, but by the logic she used it pretty much would be.
Like it when I was at Marquette ask someone where they were from and they would say "Chicago"
"Awesome, what neighborhood I'm from Beverly"
"Oh I'm from Naperville"
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Is this a bad time to mention my high school was 99.3% white?
This whole 'What is a suburb?" argument is stupid. CMAP clearly defines suburban Chicago as Cook, Kane, DuPage, Lake, McHenry, Will & Lake (IN). While I'm from McHenry County, I would never, ever say I'm from a Chicago suburb.
I went to high school in McHenry County and always said when asked, far NW burb of Chicago. How else to describe it? It's crazy because I was almost equadistant from a time perspective to Rockford and Milwaukee as I was Chicago.
I hated the people at MU that would say Chicago when asked where they were from and then follow up with, yeah Woodstock was a cool place to live.
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My dad grew up on the South Side. I have cousins all over Chicago. When someone says they grew up in Chicago, I naturally ask "where in Chicago?"
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This thread is a vortex of derp.
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From my experience most of the people who plan on living for +10 years in the city generally tend to be City Workers - fireman, cops, paramedics, teachers, etc- because it is required by the law for city workers to live within the boundaries. The neighborhood that I live in now was going bad in the 70s, but the City started to enforce that law and all those workers moved back in from the suburbs. Then you have your people downtown with loads of money.
Yes they are bad neighborhoods- Humboldt Park, Roseland, Englewood, Woodlawn (where 85% of the news comes from). Just don't be an idiot and avoid them. But there are good neighborhoods in the Northwest and Southwest sides, Hyde Park, Bridgeport, North Side. Even the West loop area (A place where my grandpa would drive my aunts and uncle around to scare them straight) around the UC and UIC is coming back where young professionals are moving into condos and apartments, with a lot of bars and restaurants. And in the Wicker Park, Bucktown and South Loop areas, a lot of families with children are moving in.
A big reason why many left the city for the suburbs was because of white flight in the 50s and 60s. These real estate businesses would purposely bring in a black family to walk around the white neighborhood to scare the residents, pressure them to sell their house for a lower value and then these families would purchase land from the same real estate business out in the suburbs.
There are pros and cons to where you live, it's just what works best for you and for your family for now and for the future. I know this is my biased opinion but I don't think that city neighborhoods are as bad as they seem, nor do I think that the suburbs are as boring.
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perhaps you should visit the Pacific Northwest and see the Cascades...
(http://ostertagphoto.com/Forests/OR2492O.jpg)
(http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/43/4363/8GUSF00Z/posters/scott-t-smith-old-growth-forest-cascade-mountains-opal-creek-wilderness-willamette-national-forest-oregon-us.jpg)
The Pacific Northwest and Midwest are completely different landscapes. In your own picture there are all mountains. No one is doing large scale farming on that.
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Like it when I was at Marquette ask someone where they were from and they would say "Chicago"
"Awesome, what neighborhood I'm from Beverly"
"Oh I'm from Naperville"
Same here, I say the west side border now grew up in Albany Park. I think it's fine to say chicago area or near chicago or chicago suburbs but saying Chicago implies the city.
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There are pros and cons to where you live, it's just what works best for you and for your family for now and for the future. I know this is my biased opinion but I don't think that city neighborhoods are as bad as they seem, nor do I think that the suburbs are as boring.
Stop it, you, with your reasoned perspective.
Everyone knows that every block of Chicago is filled with gun-toting, heroin-dealing gang members and the 14-year-old crack-addicted prostitutes they're pimping.
And every suburb is rife with middle managers and their pasty, overfed children whose idea of scintillating entertainment is a youth soccer game followed by a trip to Target, mowing the lawn and topped off by dinner at Applebees (or maybe even Olive Garden if they're feeling risque).