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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mubb3434 on December 10, 2020, 11:21:14 PM
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Marquette posted a picture of the team on social media and it appears Symir is in a walking boot...Any insights?
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This means he is officially a Golden Eagle!
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Marquette posted a picture of the team on social media and it appears Symir is in a walking boot...Any insights?
Don't know, but here's the picture for everyone:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIpSgNbBnKP/
I don't know how accurate this is, but Marquette didn't post Sy on the injury report in this document:
https://gomarquette.com/documents/2020/12/10/Game_6_Marquette_at_UCLA.pdf
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Don't know, but here's the picture for everyone:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIpSgNbBnKP/
I don't know how accurate this is, but Marquette didn't post Sy on the injury report in this document:
https://gomarquette.com/documents/2020/12/10/Game_6_Marquette_at_UCLA.pdf
It looks like a coach is in the boot
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Even families can't go to the games? Bummer for Dex and Brendan in LA.
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Symir has been really disappointing for me so far this season. SSS for sure, but doesn't look like a guy that is going to help against HM teams this season. The shot is gross, and way too much dribbling around when he gets the ball.
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Symir has been really disappointing for me so far this season. SSS for sure, but doesn't look like a guy that is going to help against HM teams this season. The shot is gross, and way too much dribbling around when he gets the ball.
I'm not too worried about his shot. His form is weird and he doesn't get enough lift which limits him to set shot. But his 3P shooting in HS was good and he was capable last year. I doubt he would have put up 14 threes in 5 games if the staff wasn't confident he'd hit the shots at a reasonable clip.
He isn't super quick so he needs to start hitting that shot soon to open up penetration. He's a great passer but hasn't had any opportunities to use that skill and won't until he starts making some shots.
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A point guard who can't shoot is a relic of a bygone basketball era. That said, I think Symir will be a decent PG when all is said and done.
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At Jimmy Johns?
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Wojo was a HS all-American at guard and 4-yr starter at Duke, hence I’d trust his judgement on guards. Hopefully Symir will improve, because I do agree that I thought he might be a little stronger at this point. A distributor, set-up the bigs first and/or dish to the wing is great. But be decisive!
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Wojo was a HS all-American at guard and 4-yr starter at Duke, hence I’d trust his judgement on guards.
Traci Carter...Joe Chartouny....he's missed on guards before. Symir is better than those two though.
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Traci Carter...Joe Chartouny....he's missed on guards before. Symir is better than those two though.
Based on what?
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Based on what?
Statistically, Symir's freshman year was marginally better than Traci's. Granted Traci played a lot more minutes, but that was mostly out of necessity.
Chartouny's grad transfer year MAY have been better. But not by much.
We will see how the rest of this year pans out.
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Based on what?
Traci shot 31% from 3 and had a TO% of 29%. Chartouny's TO% more than doubled from his last year at Fordham to his one year at MU, while his assist % was also a career low. Sy's "struggles" this year so far have been a 9% drop in TO%, a 1% drop in assist% with a 5% increase in usage. He hasn't found his shooting stroke yet, but I don't think the staff is too concerned about that yet with only 19 FGA on the season. I quoted my "freshman chart" from the giving Sy love thread last year and I'll do so again.
1.) Freshman comes in with little to no expectations.
2.) Freshman shows flashes in limited minutes while not even appearing on oppositions scouting report.
3.) Board falls in love with Freshman.
4.) Expectations get raised for the now/soon-to-be Sophomore
5.) Player doesn't develop at the pace that many want, partially because of raised expectations, partially because of appearance on scouting report.
6.) Board falls out of love with player.
7/1.) New Freshman comes in with little to no expectation.
Let's either temper expectation and be pleasantly surprised, or not dismiss him if he can't immediately live up to the upcoming raised expectations.
We're expecting more from Sy this year, just because he hasn't delivered up to our arbitray standards during the first 5 games of the season, does not mean that we should be dismissing him, yet there will always be posts like this.
Wondering if Stevie Mitchell has what it takes to beat him out next year. Frankly, I hope so. But I also hope Sy proves me wrong.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/traci-carter-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joseph-chartouny-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/symir-torrence-1.html
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Statistically, Symir's freshman year was marginally better than Traci's. Granted Traci played a lot more minutes, but that was mostly out of necessity.
Chartouny's grad transfer year MAY have been better. But not by much.
We will see how the rest of this year pans out.
Chart will always have Creighton
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We're expecting more from Sy this year, just because he hasn't delivered up to our arbitray standards during the first 5 games of the season, does not mean that we should be dismissing him, yet there will always be posts like this.
This is almost always the case when it comes to this stuff. Just because we THINK a player is going to be better than he is, that doesn't mean he is bad or hasn't improved. And yeah...its been five games.
People need to place their expectations in context.
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Symir has been really disappointing for me so far this season. SSS for sure, but doesn't look like a guy that is going to help against HM teams this season. The shot is gross, and way too much dribbling around when he gets the ball.
Agree with you. Expected Symir to be more dominant passing, scoring and leading the team. He stood around flat footed clueless during the Oklahoma State game. Carton was a breath of fresh air replacing Torrence against Wisconsin. I haven't given up on him but he definitely has to step up his game or he'll side down further on the pines.
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Symir has kind of been what I expected this year. I just frankly don't think he's that good. He seems like an awesome guy who teammates love, which is valuable. But I don't see what he brings to the table that is Big East level. Shooting? Nope. Quickness/athleticism/strength? I wouldn't say any of those are liabilities for him, but I don't think they're strengths either. Defensive ability? Nope. Dribble drive? Nope. Passing? I mean, I guess? But he doesn't really get the team into any sort of offense until there's like 10 seconds on the shot clock because he's not confident enough to dribble into his defender and get the offense moving, so it doesn't really help. I honestly feel better when he's playing off the ball because even though he isn't even remotely a threat to score the ball, at least the ball gets in and out of his hands quickly and keeps moving vs. him standing with his back to the basket 30 feet away as the shot clock is winding down.
Honestly, he's Derrick Wilson without Derrick's defensive ability. And Derrick was a freaking hound on defense.
The good news is he has the option to be around for another 3.5 years and players can improve. But to me, he has a LONG way to go if he's going to be a major contributor while playing for a good Marquette team.
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I think he was clearly better than Derrick last year. This year so far, not so much.
Anyone know why he was so highly rated in HS? Was it his O game? His D? His distribution?
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I think he was clearly better than Derrick last year. This year so far, not so much.
Anyone know why he was so highly rated in HS? Was it his O game? His D? His distribution?
Here's Jerry Meyer's scouting report:
PROJECTION UFA
COMPARISON Jerel McNeal PHOENIX SUNS
Good physique for a point guard, and he can also play shooting guard. A physical slasher who passes well off the dribble. Loves to set players up but is a quality scorer as well. Quality rebounder as a guard who can defend at a high level and defend multiple positions. Plays with an edge and competes.Could develop into an NBA player.
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Here's Jerry Meyer's scouting report:
PROJECTION UFA
COMPARISON Jerel McNeal PHOENIX SUNS
Good physique for a point guard, and he can also play shooting guard. A physical slasher who passes well off the dribble. Loves to set players up but is a quality scorer as well. Quality rebounder as a guard who can defend at a high level and defend multiple positions. Plays with an edge and competes.Could develop into an NBA player.
I would like to get this guy. Hope we do!
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Here's Jerry Meyer's scouting report:
PROJECTION UFA
COMPARISON Jerel McNeal PHOENIX SUNS
Good physique for a point guard, and he can also play shooting guard. A physical slasher who passes well off the dribble. Loves to set players up but is a quality scorer as well. Quality rebounder as a guard who can defend at a high level and defend multiple positions. Plays with an edge and competes.Could develop into an NBA player.
One comparison? Hasn't he heard of the blender?
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Wojo was a HS all-American at guard and 4-yr starter at Duke, hence I’d trust his judgement on guards. Hopefully Symir will improve, because I do agree that I thought he might be a little stronger at this point. A distributor, set-up the bigs first and/or dish to the wing is great. But be decisive!
Michael Jordan was a pretty good player but his talent evaluation is not good.
Granted, I think Wojo’s recruiting record shows he can identify talent and fairly early on.
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Symir has kind of been what I expected this year. I just frankly don't think he's that good. He seems like an awesome guy who teammates love, which is valuable. But I don't see what he brings to the table that is Big East level. Shooting? Nope. Quickness/athleticism/strength? I wouldn't say any of those are liabilities for him, but I don't think they're strengths either. Defensive ability? Nope. Dribble drive? Nope. Passing? I mean, I guess? But he doesn't really get the team into any sort of offense until there's like 10 seconds on the shot clock because he's not confident enough to dribble into his defender and get the offense moving, so it doesn't really help. I honestly feel better when he's playing off the ball because even though he isn't even remotely a threat to score the ball, at least the ball gets in and out of his hands quickly and keeps moving vs. him standing with his back to the basket 30 feet away as the shot clock is winding down.
Honestly, he's Derrick Wilson without Derrick's defensive ability. And Derrick was a freaking hound on defense.
The good news is he has the option to be around for another 3.5 years and players can improve. But to me, he has a LONG way to go if he's going to be a major contributor while playing for a good Marquette team.
This. To me it's less about comparing him to past players who had little to no business playing extended minutes for MU and more about seeing what he's done thus far. Which is pretty much nothing. Love the kid. Not super optimistic with the progression thus far. For a PG, he doesn't do the things that we need a point guard to do well.
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But he is better than the other options as a back up PG. BTW, going through the UWGB thread from 2012 that I hoopalooped, seeing Ners advocate for Derrick to start over Junior made laugh out loud.
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But he is better than the other options as a back up PG. BTW, going through the UWGB thread from 2012 that I hoopalooped, seeing Ners advocate for Derrick to start over Junior made laugh out loud.
That quote needs to be pinned to the top of the board
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This. To me it's less about comparing him to past players who had little to no business playing extended minutes for MU and more about seeing what he's done thus far. Which is pretty much nothing. Love the kid. Not super optimistic with the progression thus far. For a PG, he doesn't do the things that we need a point guard to do well.
I mean, we are not expecting him to be the starting point guard on a Sweet 16 team or anything. He's a back up PG and is fine in the role. Will he ever be more than that? Who knows?
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Looks like he isn't playing tonight. Who gets the back up minutes at the point? I predict Koby.
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I'm not yet a fan of Sy but Sy in a boot is a better option than Koby.
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Who backs up DJ with Symir out? I do not see Greg, Dexter, or Perez as better options than Koby.
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Who backs up DJ with Symir out? I do not see Greg, Dexter, or Perez as better options than Koby.
IMO, Greg. He can dish and drive.
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IMO, Greg. He can dish and drive.
Depends if Greg can hold onto the ball tonight
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IMO, Greg. He can dish and drive.
He can't really dribble, though. It will be Koby. Maybe Dex but we've seen nothing to prove he is capable of that yet.
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It will be Koby. He's already brought the ball up and initiated the offense multiple times this season.
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If DJ stays out of foul trouble he can play 40 minutes. Problem solved.
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Looks like he isn't playing tonight. Who gets the back up minutes at the point? I predict Koby.
Are you seeing something I missed? Or is it just based on the walking boot?
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I'm not yet a fan of Sy but Sy in a boot is a better option than Koby.
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Koby is light years ahead of Sy at any position.
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Koby is light years ahead of Sy at any position.
Thats not the exact trade off though.
Koby is light years better off the ball. So now with no Sy hes gonna have to be on the ball more.
Dj and Koby is the best combo clearly.
But when DJ sits. Its extremely debateable whats better Sy and Koby vs Koby and Greg/Dex
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Yeah, I'll keep one eye on T/O rate to see if we can maintain our 5 game (14) average without Sy.
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Do we even know Sy is out?
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Do we even know Sy is out?
Tower seems to have info
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Thats not the exact trade off though.
Koby is light years better off the ball. So now with no Sy hes gonna have to be on the ball more.
Dj and Koby is the best combo clearly.
But when DJ sits. Its extremely debateable whats better Sy and Koby vs Koby and Greg/Dex
At #1....KM>>SY
At#2.....KM>>Sy
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Thats not the exact trade off though.
Koby is light years better off the ball. So now with no Sy hes gonna have to be on the ball more.
Dj and Koby is the best combo clearly.
But when DJ sits. Its extremely debateable whats better Sy and Koby vs Koby and Greg/Dex
I’ll roll with Koby at any and all positions with respect to Sy. Koby as the backup #1....and Koby as the starting #2.
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Confirmed by MU Basketball Twitter, Torrence is out.
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I’ll roll with Koby at any and all positions with respect to Sy. Koby as the backup #1....and Koby as the starting #2.
Again, thats not the exact trade off.
If Sy is healthy. Koby can basically play his entire game off the ball where he is far better.
Sy at the 1 and koby at the 2 is better than Koby at the 1 and Greg or Dex at the 2.
The actual question is basically do you think Symir sucks so bad that not only are Greg and Dex better than him but we want Koby playing where hes less comfortable.
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Rest my case on this one.
Koby at the 1 is not ever going to be the preferred option.
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Has any injury been listed for Symir yet?
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Has any injury been listed for Symir yet?
It's a toe injury. I don't think we've been given specifics but I'd imagine he broke a toe and is in some pain.
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Rest my case on this one.
Koby at the 1 is not ever going to be the preferred option.
Yeah,DJ at the 1 is the preferred option.
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Thanks TAMU.
It's a toe injury. I don't think we've been given specifics but I'd imagine he broke a toe and is in some pain.