2016-17 Hot Stove thread.

[DegenerateDish]

Multiple Nats players pissed about the deal.

[buckchuckler]

Wow.  That is an amazing return!  Great trade.  Just love it. 

[Lennys Tap]

I wonder if the Nats are down on Giolito for some reason.

I wonder the same thing. Eaton is a great value, but if Giolito is anywhere near "all that" it's a home run for the Sox.

[brandx]

It takes a lot to stun me...that haul for Eaton is incredibly stunning, I was on a conference call and accidentally said "holy $hit" when I saw it...had some explaining to do

[brandx]

Orioles' Dan Duquette: Don't want Bautista because fans don't like him


What a way to run a team. Makes me think maybe he ordered Showalter not to use Britton with the entire season on the line.

[buckchuckler]

Eaton is a very good player. Probably underrated, even.
But he's not a guy you build around.

Well, quite the return for a guy that is just a complementary piece.  Love this trade.  It takes away all the pain from losing Sale.  The Sox have stacked their farm, and could still have some pretty big chips to move. 

[Pakuni]

Well, quite the return for a guy that is just a complementary piece.  Love this trade.  It takes away all the pain from losing Sale.  The Sox have stacked their farm, and could still have some pretty big chips to move.

It's a shocking return. General consensus is the Nats got fleeced. I couldn't be happier.

Casey Stern
‏@CaseyStern
Consensus on the floor here from GM's: As bad a panic move as they've seen at the meetings.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale
Several scouts and executives say they actually thought the #WhiteSox did better in the Adam Eaton trade than the Chris Sale trade.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
Rival evaluator on the White Sox trades: "They're kicking some butt."

[DegenerateDish]

Meant to say earlier, I loved the Cubs trade for Davis. I was lukewarm on Soler, he's probably a better fit in the AL, and to get Davis, even for a year, is very solid.

[buckchuckler]

It's a shocking return. General consensus is the Nats got fleeced. I couldn't be happier.

Casey Stern
‏@CaseyStern
Consensus on the floor here from GM's: As bad a panic move as they've seen at the meetings.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale
Several scouts and executives say they actually thought the #WhiteSox did better in the Adam Eaton trade than the Chris Sale trade.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
Rival evaluator on the White Sox trades: "They're kicking some butt."

They ended up with 2/3 of the players they would have gotten for Sale, it is pretty darn amazing.  That extension for Eaton was huge.  Wow did that pay off.  Also, this is the result of trading Hector Santiago.  That seems pretty solid. 

[Lennys Tap]

They ended up with 2/3 of the players they would have gotten for Sale, it is pretty darn amazing.  That extension for Eaton was huge.  Wow did that pay off.  Also, this is the result of trading Hector Santiago.  That seems pretty solid.

Adam Eaton is a shorter version of Jason Heyward. 5yrs, 39 mil vs 7 yrs, 184 mil = great value.

[DegenerateDish]

If I read Nightengale correctly, the Sox will have only $3.2 million committed in salary entering November 2018, lowest of any MLB team heading into that superstar free agency period.

If I had to guess, they are going to go after both Harper & Machado, and they can front end a truckload of money and avoid the new hard cap tax levels.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

If I read Nightengale correctly, the Sox will have only $3.2 million committed in salary entering November 2018, lowest of any MLB team heading into that superstar free agency period.

If I had to guess, they are going to go after both Harper & Machado, and they can front end a truckload of money and avoid the new hard cap tax levels.

Yankees won't be outbid for either or both of them, IMO.

[Lennys Tap]

Meant to say earlier, I loved the Cubs trade for Davis. I was lukewarm on Soler, he's probably a better fit in the AL, and to get Davis, even for a year, is very solid.

If Davis is healthy I love this trade for the Cubs. Soler doesn't have anywhere to play on the Cubs, and as recently as 2015 Davis was maybe the best closer in baseball.

[DegenerateDish]

Yankees won't be outbid for either or both of them, IMO.

I think Harper will be a Yankee, but the Yankees (after Chapman just signed) will be at $73 mil committed heading into 2018. If they don't give an eff about the luxury tax, they could of course sign anyone. The Sox on the other hand could front load (a hypothetical) 8 year $300 mil deal, with $60 mil in year 1, and never come close to the tax. A hypothetical Yankee deal would see the value increased in 2021 when the cap increases.

I was wrong the Nightengale article, the Phillies have $0 committed.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I think Harper will be a Yankee, but the Yankees (after Chapman just signed) will be at $73 mil committed heading into 2018. If they don't give an eff about the luxury tax, they could of course sign anyone. The Sox on the other hand could front load (a hypothetical) 8 year $300 mil deal, with $60 mil in year 1, and never come close to the tax. A hypothetical Yankee deal would see the value increased in 2021 when the cap increases.

I was wrong the Nightengale article, the Phillies have $0 committed.

Fair enough.  The question is will the Sox be close enough to winning where a Machado takes the leap of faith instead of going to another high revenue team that may have a better team at the time. 

Obviously, a lot of it depends on the development of these prospects.  I think the Cubs are an anomaly based on the high percentage of their young guys that have been productive and productive quickly. 

[LloydsLegs]

All I can say about the WSox is "don't stop now, boys."  Happiest I have been as a Sox fan since game 2 of the 2005 WS. 

Abreu, Frazier, Robertson and Melky all have some value and should be gone.  High draft choices or prospects.

Anderson and Quintana are available, but if they stay I'm OK with that.  Looking to 3/4 years down the road.

And sign a Crash Davis to bring these young Nick LaLoosh's along. 

[Lennys Tap]

Abreu, Frazier, Robertson and Melky all have some value and should be gone.  High draft choices or prospects.

Anderson and Quintana are available, but if they stay I'm OK with that.  Looking to 3/4 years down the road.

And sign a Crash Davis to bring these young Nick LaLoosh's along.

1. Don't think you can trade draft choices in baseball

2. Anderson may be the only guy who's not on the block.

[Pakuni]

2. Anderson may be the only guy who's not on the block.

And Rodon. And Nate Jones, especially if they move Robertson.

[DegenerateDish]

And Rodon. And Nate Jones, especially if they move Robertson.

I actually think Jones could get you back more than anyone left (sans Quintana).

[DegenerateDish]

I forgot that Seth Beer is eligible for the 2018 draft, I'm 100% in on Tank for Beer, guy has all the makings of Mike Trout.

[MU82]

Orioles' Dan Duquette: Don't want Bautista because fans don't like him

I heard this, too. It's so stupid it's like it was in the Onion or something.

I mean, didn't Bulls fans HATE Rodman? Didn't White Sox fans (and most everybody else) hate Pierzynski? Didn't Cubs fans hate Edmonds? Didn't Yankees fans hate Johnny Damon? Etc, etc, etc. for years and decades.

If you really are making decisions like this, you deserve to never win a World Series.

[buckchuckler]

I actually think Jones could get you back more than anyone left (sans Quintana).

I'd wait and trade him during the season.  It seems that relievers prices get inflated at the deadline.  I guess that risks injury or a bad year though...

[brandx]

I heard this, too. It's so stupid it's like it was in the Onion or something.

I mean, didn't Bulls fans HATE Rodman? Didn't White Sox fans (and most everybody else) hate Pierzynski? Didn't Cubs fans hate Edmonds? Didn't Yankees fans hate Johnny Damon? Etc, etc, etc. for years and decades.

If you really are making decisions like this, you deserve to never win a World Series.

Since Douquette is letting the fans decide, I wonder what he'll do when the fans decide they don't want him any more.

[CTWarrior]

I heard this, too. It's so stupid it's like it was in the Onion or something.

I mean, didn't Bulls fans HATE Rodman? Didn't White Sox fans (and most everybody else) hate Pierzynski? Didn't Cubs fans hate Edmonds? Didn't Yankees fans hate Johnny Damon? Etc, etc, etc. for years and decades.

If you really are making decisions like this, you deserve to never win a World Series.

I don't think he is really making decisions based on the fans, though I think the statement was made to curry favor with O's fans.  I don't know what Bautista wants, but he is 36, a liability in the field and he is coming off a so-so season.  I think basically the Orioles weren't interested in anything close to his asking price.

[CTWarrior]

It looks like the Cubs signed Koji Uehara.  I'll miss him in Boston.  He is like a master psychologist on the mound.  When the hitter thinks he is going to get a fastball, Koji serves up his change.  When the batter knows he is getting the change, Koji slips his mid-low 80s fastball past him.  I imagine he pitches like a guy from the 50s or something, when everybody didn't throw 95+.

He was terrible early last year, but was basically back to his old self when he came off the DL.  I'll always be thankful for 2013, when he was awesome in championship run.