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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Milwarriorkee on March 26, 2014, 10:19:17 AM
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Here is my theory. I am sure you will agree that the logic is sound. First, the facts in support:
Monday afternoon: IWB tweets SS to MU is a done deal.
Monday evening: Bullseye Bros. tweets that SS to MU is "as official as it gets." Fox 6 also reports that TVV's source indicates SS will be next coach.
Tuesday morning: VCU AD is quoted as saying "SS is our men's basketball coach." Finklestein tweets that SS spoke to commits and coaches to say he isn't going anywhere. Goodman reports that SS leaning towards turning down MU due to no president/AD.
More Tuesday: in response to a post that says "I wonder if the delay might be related to lining up a meeting with the incoming Pres? Rumor was the choice is made but waiting for April to present to BOT." BigDaddy comments that it is the first intelligent comment he has seen. He later confirms that the SS to MU deal is not dead.
Tuesday evening: WMLW news reports that MU pushed up president announcement to today for new basketball coach.
All day/night tuesday: No reports from MU. IWB & Bullseye Bros. do not backtrack. No public statements by SS, VCU players or recruits. No statements by MU, tweets from current players. Duane Wilson deletes his twitter. Pretty much "radio silence."
THEORY: SS agreed to a deal with MU on Monday, contingent on MU following through with pres. & AD hires that they disclosed to him. This would explain why so many reputable sources reported that the deal was done on Monday but others reported deal was not done on Tuesday. Technically, deal won't be done until after pres is announced and maybe AD too. That should be a formality though, and then SS will be announced as coach.
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No argument here. The silence yesterday was deafening.
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Nah, there has to be an alien abduction in there somewhere.
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I'm really hoping this is the case. I wish I was more confident MU really has it together, but I'm not. Too much stuff has been bungled in the past. See: The Gold.
I hope they prove me wrong.
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I'm really hoping this is the case. I wish I was more confident MU really has it together
I dunno man. When it comes to basketball MU doesnt mess around. Just look at the budget.
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IMO the silence yesterday was exactly what was needed. IMO everyone panicked too quickly.
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Here's hoping -
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
Oh how we missed you!
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MU has their act together on this hire. There can be no second guessing the process this time around. They know how impoortant this hire is. You do not push up President announcement without a gameplan.
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
Haha. Go away.
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
Wait a minute; I thought this guys mission in life was to encourage this crap.....hmmmm
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Silence is a good thing right now. That doesn't mean that they're working on (or getting) anyone in particular, it just means that the grown-ups are now in control of the process. There's a lot of work that needs to get done. People need to just shut up and do it. It seems like that's what's happening. I don't know who will emerge as the next HC, but I'm becoming increasingly confident that I won't be disappointed. I've just got to exercise a little patiece.
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I'm really hoping this is the case. I wish I was more confident MU really has it together, but I'm not. Too much stuff has been bungled in the past. See: The Gold.
What else have they bungled? I feel like we've decided MU is inept and any little rumor we hear about is just confirmation bias. We don't know anything. But we assume the worst and then fit our "facts" to that narrative.
So ... what else has MU screwed up royally?
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
Feeling a little nervous are we? Youre almost as bad as UDPride but instead of "The A-10 school will never leave" substitute in Shaka.
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A friend of mine asked Fr Wild at a dinner for prospective students last night and he asked Fr. Wild if SS will be the new hc. His response - laugh -
"Things are happening very fast." He followed that up by giving him a look that said - pay attention - "Very fast". And that was it.
Later after the dinner he asked if Fr. Wild would be staying to mingle and Fr. Wild said, "oh no, I am out of this place as of now".
Our new president was then announced. Was Wild hinting that the president was going to be announced. Is SS gonna be the new hc? Hmm.
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Nah, there has to be an alien abduction in there somewhere.
Or maybe... Just MAYBE... hear me out on this... Shaka HIMSELF is an alien and is waiting to get approval from his intergallactic overlords on the job switch. These things take time, folks. Lotta bureaucratic red tape involved.
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I always have this feeling that the leadership at MU will disappoint. Probably dates back to the two nickname fiascos. But this theory makes too much sense to me, and it explains why IWB, Bigdaddy, bullseye are not denying that SS to MU is alive. That being said, the more time that passes makes me very nervous. I am doing jury duty right now, I don't know what I will do if I am selected and can't constantly check for updates.
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What else have they bungled? I feel like we've decided MU is inept and any little rumor we hear about is just confirmation bias. We don't know anything. But we assume the worst and then fit our "facts" to that narrative.
So ... what else has MU screwed up royally?
I'm not here to criticize MU, an institution I attended and love, but you have been living under a rock the past few years if you think there have been no screw-ups. That's all I'm going to say.
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
That AD of yours has a nice bio, I wonder if anyone is looking for a new AD? :) Right back at you VCUInsider.
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Frankly the fact that this thread caused VCUinsider to post in this manner has me thinking we are on to something.
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I'm not here to criticize MU, an institution I attended and love, but you have been living under a rock the past few years if you think there have been no screw-ups. That's all I'm going to say.
Absolutely not living under a rock. But I also know it's real easy to say "there are tons of reasons for XYZ". It's much harder to sit down and actually come up with those reasons.
Again, I don't think any institution is perfect, but we've already made up our minds that the University's leadership is inept, and use every little thing that goes wrong to confirm it.
It's tiresome. But, If I'm wrong and indeed living under a rock, I'd love to know all the things MU has royally screwed up--to the point that they can't be trusted to do anything right.
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A friend of mine asked Fr Wild at a dinner for prospective students last night and he asked Fr. Wild if SS will be the new hc. His response - laugh -
"Things are happening very fast." He followed that up by giving him a look that said - pay attention - "Very fast". And that was it.
Later after the dinner he asked if Fr. Wild would be staying to mingle and Fr. Wild said, "oh no, I am out of this place as of now".
Our new president was then announced. Was Wild hinting that the president was going to be announced. Is SS gonna be the new hc? Hmm.
All the scoops on here by people in the know have been leading to the same outcome: Shaka will be the next head coach. All the events these past few days have been supporting that theory.
Who knows? It actually could be true.
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Absolutely not living under a rock. But I also know it's real easy to say "there are tons of reasons for XYZ". It's much harder to sit down and actually come up with those reasons.
Again, I don't think any institution is perfect, but we've already made up our minds that the University's leadership is inept, and use every little thing that goes wrong to confirm it.
It's tiresome. But, If I'm wrong and indeed living under a rock, I'd love to know all the things MU has royally screwed up--to the point that they can't be trusted to do anything right.
The Gold.
Giving a retired jersey number to a current player.
The Fr. Pilarz hire.
The Larry Williams vs Buzz Williams drama.
Having multiple very high up academic positions vacant for an extended period of time.
The handling of allegations of sexual abuse by athletes, which resulted in a federal investigation.
Tearing down Hegarty's.
Letting Angelo's close.
I hate to be a downer, but I don't have a lot of confidence right now. Again, I hope I am proved wrong.
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That AD of yours has a nice bio, I wonder if anyone is looking for a new AD? :) Right back at you VCUInsider.
I think it'd be hilarious if we were able to pull both the AD and HC from VCU. Not likely, but still kind of hilarious given the buildup and meltdowns on both boards.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY)
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I'm really hoping this is the case. I wish I was more confident MU really has it together, but I'm not. Too much stuff has been bungled in the past. See: The Gold.
I hope they prove me wrong.
Obviously, you are too young to remember (or have not seen the case study) on New Coke.
The Gold was sheer marketing genius insomuch as the BoT would never think they were intelligent enough to pull that off.
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I don't have any more faith that this is being handled well than any of you do. However, the whole "leak" of SS to MU was more than just normal speculation involved with him in the past. If it were me, or if I were a higher up at VCU, and there was no chance of SS to MU then it definitely warrants a public statement that SS isn't going anywhere. Long story short, I know "too late", SS to MU still has some legs.
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
Yo Chief, heat turned up a little too high for y'all's linkin'?
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Obviously, you are too young to remember (or have not seen the case study) on New Coke.
The Gold was sheer marketing genius insomuch as the BoT would never think they were intelligent enough to pull that off.
Changing the name to the Gold actually made students and alumni want to be the Golden Eagles again (or in many cases for the first time) since the only reason people complained about the name so much was they thought we might bring back Warriors without the imagery.
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Wait a minute; I thought this guys mission in life was to encourage this crap.....hmmmm
Yeah WTF? the cognitive dissonance I'm experiencing right now is very disconcerting. Stay on message, VCUInsider! I would have thought someone so close to the beltway would get how that works.
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We will see, until then go with the simplistic explanation:
1. There was no deal. Maybe talks, but no deal.
2. The Tweet was simply wrong. But given IWB, he had to have something... even if the source was wrong.
3. The Tweet was right, but something changed and was premature.
4. A deal to one may not be a deal to another. Deal has different meanings. There is/was a "deal" but deals don't mean he is coming.
5. There is a deal but with a different coach than SS. No rumblings out of VCU. Nothing. Maybe this should be higher.
6. There is no deal, but discussion with a number of coach's and it has been concluded that we need a President and AD first. But I suspect there is some deal with someone.
7. Yes, SS will be announced after the President.
8. Or, FRANK UNDERWOOD is leading the hiring process and the OP poster is correct and SS is coming!
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
After being immediately exposed as a fraud on a local and national level, and being ripped into as a "douche," "loser", etc., you still post here. Wow, you gave a whole new meaning to the word pathetic.
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My sources indicate you're hanging on by a shred of hope.
I would highly recommend moving your emotional efforts elsewhere.
Epic Twitter troll job, BTW. You got a shout out on one of our local sports talk stations thos AM (1250 - Chuck F gave you a mention).
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Frankly the fact that this thread caused VCUinsider to post in this manner has me thinking we are on to something.
He doesn't know squat. He's a self-important undergrad who works for the student newspaper. Move along.
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The Gold.
Giving a retired jersey number to a current player.
The Fr. Pilarz hire.
The Larry Williams vs Buzz Williams drama.
Having multiple very high up academic positions vacant for an extended period of time.
The handling of allegations of sexual abuse by athletes, which resulted in a federal investigation.
I hate to be a downer, but I don't have a lot of confidence right now. Again, I hope I am proved wrong.
The last three are not BoT-level items. Sure, the buck has to stop somewhere, but the trustees aren't handling the day-to-day at MU. If anything, the epilogue of the incidents you mention show that the BoT is taking their role seriously and acting appropriately.
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Lol! At this thread
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Epic Twitter troll job, BTW. You got a shout out on one of our local sports talk stations thos AM (1250 - Chuck F gave you a mention).
Thanks mate, wait to see what I have in store for the Big East move.
Honestly, If you (all) believe a guy that charges a subscription for "inside info," I feel bad for you. Don't you realize that you can get more subscribers by posting vague innuendos alluding to what the people WANT to hear?
I don't trust anyone attempting to make a buck off information that is nebulous.
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The last three are not BoT-level items. Sure, the buck has to stop somewhere, but the trustees aren't handling the day-to-day at MU. If anything, the epilogue of the incidents you mention show that the BoT is taking their role seriously and acting appropriately.
I updated my post with two very important additional items ;D
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Lol! At this thread
Youre worse then the troll. I think the funniest part is that so many VCU fans have made an account on our site but none of us found it necessary to make an account for your site. Thats just explains the discrepancy between the programs.
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Feeling a little nervous are we? Youre almost as bad as UDPride but instead of "The A-10 school will never leave" substitute in Shaka.
After days and days of searching the darkest corners of the internet, I still have yet to find a single VCU fan that truly believes Shaka will never leave.
Youre worse then the troll. I think the funniest part is that so many VCU fans have made an account on our site but none of us found it necessary to make an account for your site. Thats just explains the discrepancy between the programs.
I sincerely hope this is sarcasm.
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Thanks mate, wait to see what I have in store for the Big East move.
Honestly, If you (all) believe a guy that charges a subscription for "inside info," I feel bad for you. Don't you realize that you can get more subscribers by posting vague innuendos alluding to what the people WANT to hear?
I don't trust anyone attempting to make a buck off information that is nebulous.
I'll tell you why I'm you're completely wrong, but you'll have to pay me to read it.
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I'll tell you why I'm you're completely wrong, but you'll have to pay me to read it.
EXACTLY!! You're actually intelligent.
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I'm afraid there is a twist to the theory in the lead post that in my mind is better supported by a BigDaddy post yesterday at noon. I think there was serious interest by SS with the lack of a Pres and AD (getting a read on who he would report to) was one of the big negs. After thinking it through SS decided that its simply to big an unknown. Even if they guys are named they have no track record he can count on. With that in mind he decided to break off the discussions. Hence the reports that he told everyone at VCU he is staying.
Since MU didn't have an official offer he was officially reviewing he doesn't feel the need to officially turn down MU.
As Big Daddy says no news today will mean its probably dead.
I'm ready to move on to Ben. Can't wait too long.
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Lol! At this thread
Why do you continue to show up on this board if you are so confident in Shaka staying at VCU?
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My thought is that "The Gold" was the classic "two steps forward, one step back."
People cry that "Golden Eagles" sucks. They want "Warriors." They give us "Gold." We cry back "Ok, Ok, Golden Eagles was fine, anything but Gold"
You may think I am giving them too much credit, but these folks are all smarter than we think
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After days and days of searching the darkest corners of the internet, I still have yet to see anyone say that Shaka will never leave VCU.
And that is what is keeping hope alive for us here. You would think by now if he wasn't at least still intrigued the entire "I'm staying at X school, and plan on being her for Y."
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I updated my post with two very important additional items ;D
I see that you have. Other than the Pilarz hire, I stand by my comment that BoT has acted appropriately (or at the very least weren't the ones who dropped the ball) in all of those cases. Even with Pilarz, at least they realized early on that they made a bad decision and took swift action to correct it.
You may not agree with the decisions they've made, but faulting them in hindsight and/or implying that decisions were made negligently or with malice is just plain wrong.
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I'm afraid there is a twist to the theory in the lead post that in my mind is better supported by a BigDaddy post yesterday at noon. I think there was serious interest by SS with the lack of a Pres and AD (getting a read on who he would report to) was one of the big negs. After thinking it through SS decided that its simply to big an unknown. Even if they guys are named they have no track record he can count on. With that in mind he decided to break off the discussions. Hence the reports that he told everyone at VCU he is staying.
Since MU didn't have an official offer he was officially reviewing he doesn't feel the need to officially turn down MU.
As Big Daddy says no news today will mean its probably dead.
I'm ready to move on to Ben. Can't wait too long.
Very likely...but what if we go hard after their AD? Then he might change his mind again back to MU...
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Gold wasn't the problem. It was/is a good idea.
The problem is people expect Warriors and got Gold.
I'd trade Golden Eagles for Gold right now, no questions.
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And that is what is keeping hope alive for us here. You would think by now if he wasn't at least still intrigued the entire "I'm staying at X school, and plan on being her for Y."
Right, or he could simply say "I'll be here as long as they'll have me."
Steady, people.
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I see that you have. Other than the Pilarz hire, I stand by my comment that BoT has acted appropriately (or at the very least weren't the ones who dropped the ball) in all of those cases. Even with Pilarz, at least they realized early on that they made a bad decision and took swift action to correct it.
You may not agree with the decisions they've made, but faulting them in hindsight and/or implying that decisions were made negligently or with malice is just plain wrong.
Oh I don't think there was any malice.
I just worry. That's all.
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Ideal:
This theory is correct and Shaka's reservations about the open presidency are quelled. And the AD situation isn't of concern to him because Marquette is taking VCU's AD Ed McLaughlin too.
It would offer another extraordinary reason to come to MU, something UCLA and the others couldn't have offered.
Edit: Just saw this was already proposed in another thread!
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I'm afraid there is a twist to the theory in the lead post that in my mind is better supported by a BigDaddy post yesterday at noon. I think there was serious interest by SS with the lack of a Pres and AD (getting a read on who he would report to) was one of the big negs. After thinking it through SS decided that its simply to big an unknown. Even if they guys are named they have no track record he can count on. With that in mind he decided to break off the discussions. Hence the reports that he told everyone at VCU he is staying.
Since MU didn't have an official offer he was officially reviewing he doesn't feel the need to officially turn down MU.
As Big Daddy says no news today will mean its probably dead.
I'm ready to move on to Ben. Can't wait too long.
My sentiments exactly. BigDaddy said Shaka had til Wednesday, but when I found out Shaka talked to his team, I thought to myself "OK, this is pretty much over. Let's get Ben."
Note that all of this coincides with what Richard Shaw said: `the deal is on life-support'
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I went to VCU's message board. They're debating whether or not to accept an invite to the new BE. Most say "no" because it's not what it once was. Now that's funny.
I just can't imagine Shaka being a viable candidate anymore. If MU announces in the next 24 hrs it would have to be Howland.....I'd prefer Shaka, but if that ship was ever in play it had to have sailed by now. Hope I'm wrong.
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I went to VCU's message board. They're debating whether or not to accept an invite to the new BE. Most say "no" because it's not what it once was. Now that's funny.
I just can't imagine Shaka being a viable candidate anymore. If MU announces in the next 24 hrs it would have to be Howland.....I'd prefer Shaka, but if that ship was ever in play it had to have sailed by now. Hope I'm wrong.
They would kill to be in the BE, they just know people are actually reading their message board for a change.
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My sentiments exactly. BigDaddy said Shaka had til Wednesday, but when I found out Shaka talked to his team, I thought to myself "OK, this is pretty much over. Let's get Ben."
Note that all of this coincides with what Richard Shaw said: `the deal is on life-support'
The same Richard Shaw who on Monday said "confirmed". He might have some inside info, but I wouldn't take his word as gospel.
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I went to VCU's message board. They're debating whether or not to accept an invite to the new BE. Most say "no" because it's not what it once was. Now that's funny.
This is where I heavily disagree with some of them and I think I've made that quite clear through my posts.
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I, on the other hand, have given up complete hope. That way, if something unexpected does happen, it would be that much more awesome.
Seriously though, our chances of landing SS look bleak IMO. All the national reporters are saying there's nothing going on and he's staying at VCU, why should I believe otherwise?
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Youre worse then the troll. I think the funniest part is that so many VCU fans have made an account on our site but none of us found it necessary to make an account for your site. Thats just explains the discrepancy between the programs.
No, the funniest part is that MU has become Illinois 2 years ago and everyone who pays attention (admittedly a small percentage of people) is laughing at us. If by some magic SS comes to MU then you can all have your day in the sun saying "see I told you so", but until then it's just a repeat of that story - and I fondly remember laughing at Illinois when they were sure they would get SS, then they were sure they would get Buzz, etc. Sadly, that happy memory will be tarnished by this unless you're all right.
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Gold wasn't the problem. It was/is a good idea.
The problem is people expect Warriors and got Gold.
I'd trade Golden Eagles for Gold right now, no questions.
I disagree. I hate Gold. I hate Orange and I hate Cardinal too. Singular, color-based team names are stupid.
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My sentiments exactly. BigDaddy said Shaka had til Wednesday, but when I found out Shaka talked to his team, I thought to myself "OK, this is pretty much over. Let's get Ben."
Note that all of this coincides with what Richard Shaw said: `the deal is on life-support'
But who said Shaka talked to his team? And what exactly was said?
And there's a perfectly good explanation as to why some have claimed "life support," even if that isn't actually the case. See OP comment regarding "radio silence."
If you leaked information that you weren't supposed to (and were being reprimanded for), what do you say the next time you see that person (to whom you leaked the information)... "oh my bad, I was wrong... ignore what I said before."
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Well, at least the SS flirtation probably gave us some negotiation leverage with Ben Howland, if we had a two way negotiation track going. Heck, for all we know, SS wasn't No. 1 but got used. Doubt it, but possible.
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Let's face the facts. Shaka never was or is coming. It's just not going to happen. Ever.
Now on to my lunch for today. I am really hungry for some crow.
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Gold wasn't the problem. It was/is a good idea.
The problem is people expect Warriors and got Gold.
I'd trade Golden Eagles for Gold right now, no questions.
This. Sorta.
Not sure Gold was a good idea, but at least it's original and had some potential. Golden Eagles is just ... blah.
But the expectations for Warriors was so unreasonably high anything else would have gone over like the Hindenburg went over New Jersey.
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"Leak on Monday, presser on Wednesday"
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No, the funniest part is that MU has become Illinois 2 years ago and everyone who pays attention (admittedly a small percentage of people) is laughing at us. If by some magic SS comes to MU then you can all have your day in the sun saying "see I told you so", but until then it's just a repeat of that story - and I fondly remember laughing at Illinois when they were sure they would get SS, then they were sure they would get Buzz, etc. Sadly, that happy memory will be tarnished by this unless you're all right.
Don't forget Minnesota (some of my best work), and Maryland.
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This is where I heavily disagree with some of them and I think I've made that quite clear through my posts.
Any A10 fan who thinks his/her team is better off staying in the A10 than the NBE is nuts, they better hope when the NBE comes knocking for 2 more teams they're one of them.
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Gold wasn't the problem. It was/is a good idea.
The problem is people expect Warriors and got Gold.
I'd trade Golden Eagles for Gold right now, no questions.
What if the switch to Gold and subsequent reversal was intentional? Pick a stupid name and have people quiet down about going back to Warriors when they realize the name could be far worse. Even get one of your most recognizable alums play along.
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I, on the other hand, have given up complete hope. That way, if something unexpected does happen, it would be that much more awesome.
Seriously though, our chances of landing SS look bleak IMO. All the national reporters are saying there's nothing going on and he's staying at VCU, why should I believe otherwise?
The bolded part is true. The underlined part is speculation/conclusion based on the former. The latter doesn't preclude the former, the former dictates the latter.
Sorry for the logic problem, so here's some Yogi Berra... don't believe anything until you've heard something.
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My theory is the only one that can reconcile the reports of people we all know to be credible. "Done deal" does not leave room for interpretation. It would not have been reported if the deal could be backed out of. Not by IWB. At least, that's what I believe.
"As official as it gets" is akin to "done deal." That was bullseye bros. Again, a credible source.
Any other theory, including, "Shaka agreed but changed his mind," ultimately means bullseye and IWB's reports were wrong. I am going to trust that they were right. The fact that the pres announcement was moved up cemented it for me. If I am wrong...it will be a long fall from such high hopes.
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Don't forget Minnesota (some of my best work), and Maryland.
I missed Minnesota. I'm sure it was delicious. Sadly, I'm not in the mood right now given that my alma mater is your current muse.
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The Gold.
Giving a retired jersey number to a current player.
The Fr. Pilarz hire.
The Larry Williams vs Buzz Williams drama.
Having multiple very high up academic positions vacant for an extended period of time.
The handling of allegations of sexual abuse by athletes, which resulted in a federal investigation.
Tearing down Hegarty's.
Letting Angelo's close.
I hate to be a downer, but I don't have a lot of confidence right now. Again, I hope I am proved wrong.
What current player is wearing a retired number?
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After all this blew up Monday evening, I tweeted Mark Miller simply this; "Do you still think Shaka is a done deal?"...his response; "No idea". I have spoke to Mark before and this is not a normal response from him.\
The thought that SS doesn't want to commit to anything until a new administration is in place makes sense. Who would want to be hired anywhere without knowing who was in charge?
That being said, they MAY have an agreement in place, IF the administration details fall into place.
Its a shred of hope, but as I have mentioned before, this is so eerily familiar to the Minnesota roller coaster from last year I'm no sure what to make of it.
Hey, maybe Tubby Smith is the next coach? ;)
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My theory is the only one that can reconcile the reports of people we all know to be credible. "Done deal" does not leave room for interpretation. It would not have been reported if the deal could be backed out of. Not by IWB. At least, that's what I believe.
"As official as it gets" is akin to "done deal." That was bullseye bros. Again, a credible source.
Any other theory, including, "Shaka agreed but changed his mind," ultimately means bullseye and IWB's reports were wrong. I am going to trust that they were right. The fact that the pres announcement was moved up cemented it for me. If I am wrong...it will be a long fall from such high hopes.
Bullseye bros also mentioned something about Doc having an influence which has never been mentioned anywhere else.
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Not a Twitter guy, but did MU tell it's players to shut it down?
Usually some on this board provide updated "tweets" by the players, but have not heard anything.
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This. Sorta.
Not sure Gold was a good idea, but at least it's original and had some potential. Golden Eagles is just ... blah.
But the expectations for Warriors was so unreasonably high anything else would have gone over like the Hindenburg went over New Jersey.
Go back to Hilltopers!
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My theory is the only one that can reconcile the reports of people we all know to be credible. "Done deal" does not leave room for interpretation. It would not have been reported if the deal could be backed out of. Not by IWB. At least, that's what I believe.
"As official as it gets" is akin to "done deal." That was bullseye bros. Again, a credible source.
Any other theory, including, "Shaka agreed but changed his mind," ultimately means bullseye and IWB's reports were wrong. I am going to trust that they were right. The fact that the pres announcement was moved up cemented it for me. If I am wrong...it will be a long fall from such high hopes.
IWB stated his source was not from MU. Could bullseye bros have been his source?
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Not a Twitter guy, but did MU tell it's players to shut it down?
Usually some on this board provide updated "tweets" by the players, but have not heard anything.
Duane deleted his.
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Bullseye bros also mentioned something about Doc having an influence which has never been mentioned anywhere else.
I wouldn't put much stock in those guys.
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After all this blew up Monday evening, I tweeted Mark Miller simply this; "Do you still think Shaka is a done deal?"...his response; "No idea". I have spoke to Mark before and this is not a normal response from him.\
Didn't seem like Mark Miller ever had inside info on this one. Rather, he was tweeting the reports of colleagues he respected.
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Not a Twitter guy, but did MU tell it's players to shut it down?
Usually some on this board provide updated "tweets" by the players, but have not heard anything.
Duane Wilson deleted his account yesterday, but Davante and Juan have still been tweeting. Nothing about basketball though.
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What current player is wearing a retired number?
I think he was talking about Novak wearing Lucas' number (coincidentally, the number was retired when Novak was still playing... it was interesting to see the jersey retired at halftime, and then Novak come out of the tunnel still wearing #20). Thus ensued the discussion about retiring jerseys vs. retiring numbers.
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IWB stated his source was not from MU. Could bullseye bros have been his source?
IWB's sources are much MUCH better than the Bullseye bros. His source(s) weren't from MU, but if you knew who they were you'd understand why he tweeted what he did.
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Frankly the fact that this thread caused VCUinsider to post in this manner has me thinking we are on to something.
A shred of hope on our side equates to a shred of doubt on theirs
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VCUInsider, just a friendly heads up....you'd get a lot more credibility around here if you add a number to your name like 17 or 18. Just trying to help a dude out.
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Ugh, im going to class. Im vowing not to come back on until after 5:00.
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IWB's sources are much MUCH better than the Bullseye bros. His source(s) weren't from MU, but if you knew who they were you'd understand why he tweeted what he did.
To this point, here's what IWB said yesterday afternoon:
"Two things -
94Warrior - No, neither guy is 'dead'. I firmly believe MU is still working on both.
79Warrior - None of my sources yesterday spoke on behalf of MU. None of my sources yesterday were from MU."
Interesting that his sources were outside of Marquette... I hadn't heard that.
And, FWIW, Roy Schmidt yesterday, when asked if he'd heard anything new, said:
"Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye Mar 25
@jwelge96 Only when I woke up this morning and I don't like the smell of it."
and that SS is "still very much in play."
I'm beginning to think Shaka reneged on an agreement with MU. Could still sign here, but backed out after verbally agreeing to come to Marquette. Either way, something's fishy.
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IWB's sources are much MUCH better than the Bullseye bros. His source(s) weren't from MU, but if you knew who they were you'd understand why he tweeted what he did.
I'm not a detective, but then I would think it was someone from VCU.
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If there are any "accidental" MU National "leaks" about the coaching job today I'm betting they will come after the 2:30 President conference. No need to have the new President answering more than the necessary question or two at the conference.
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For you old lefties and hippies, I.F. Stone was a guy in Washington, D.C. who put out a weekly newsletter that was know for its accuracy in predicting what was really going on in DC, the Viet Nam war, Watergate, etc.
This particular journalist had no network. He never went to press conferences. He never called anyone. But, he always was the first to predict, with uncanny ability what was to happen and often why.
Izzy Stone's secret? He simply watched the news, looked at canned press releases, figured out how things got to the point they were at, understood that options were often limited, and came to a conclusion, believing human nature fairly predictable.
Too bad he is no longer around. If you think about Brent's departure, it was preordained probably two, or three years ago. The 2013-14 season flowed from Brent and the obvious baggage he carried.
Likewise, the present silence in the context of what the decision makers were saying, doing and given who the decision makers are, should give an indication of where this is all going.
Now think it through, and think through who said what, and why things are silent now. Let's see if we might not be able to be as good as I.F. Stone once was and figure this out.
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I'm not a detective, but then I would think it was someone from VCU.
So let me get this straight; some guy, that runs a website that you pay for in order to get more information, somehow has a contact inside VCU that is leaking information to HIM instead of anyone in Richmond? LOL
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Didn't seem like Mark Miller ever had inside info on this one. Rather, he was tweeting the reports of colleagues he respected.
Ah... are you saying he "read it on the internet'? Journalism sure has changed.
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IWB's sources are much MUCH better than the Bullseye bros. His source(s) weren't from MU, but if you knew who they were you'd understand why he tweeted what he did.
Are you suggesting he has some strong sources on this issue?
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With the limited amount of information coming from IWB, to me it's quite simple what happened. His sources, probably heard of a hiring which was in fact, the new President. My guess is that Shaka was attached to that newsbit without any verification. All of the news we heard was related to a "major announcement", "Wednesday press conference", "big hire", etc all fits the bill the new president being hired. To me, it seems that information was misconstrued by one of the sources. Shaka Smart fit the bill, of a big hire, but in fact..... it was the new President. Since he's local, logically, he would not have any sources at a low key school such as VCU. His sources would be someone who's connected at MU. I even know someone who knows someone at MU.
New President Hiring - Fills a much needed vacant post. He went through a lot of AD's @ UWM - 3. There's little information, otherwise, to get an accurate idea of how he will pursue a coach. Engineers tend to be much more pragmatic. Seems to me the hire is academic more than anything. My concern is that in the JSOnline article he doesn't state anything about being a college Bball fan in his quotes. At least he is from the area as that expertise will be needed to help influence the construction of a new Bradley Center.
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Here is what is conflicting based on everything I read (apologies if something is incorrect):
1) VCU Admins said that MU has not asked to speak or spoken with SS (seems like too much noise for this not to be true).
2) Reliable MU sources tweet deal is done, and I highly doubt they would tweet that based on rumors or unreliable sources (unless it's a hacked account somehow).
Obviously something is wrong here
3) If SS really told his recruits/coaches that he was staying that would explain why VCU let their top assistant leave to go to RICE. Would the AD and Shaka lie to everyone to keep this deal quiet until everything is done? Granted he isn't shouting this from a mountaintop, but sounds like he won't have too many friends if he does end up agreeing to come to MU.
4) MU pushed up the Presidential Selection in order to have that in place before going after their IMPACT HIRE (SS of Howland hopefully)
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So let me get this straight; some guy, that runs a website that you pay for in order to get more information, somehow has a contact inside VCU that is leaking information to HIM instead of anyone in Richmond? LOL
I think I figured out IWB's source. It was Buzz...he was no longer an MU source. Buzz wanted to get us all riled up by dropping the fake done deal and give MU one last f u on his way out!
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For you old lefties and hippies, I.F. Stone was a guy in Washington, D.C. who put out a weekly newsletter that was know for its accuracy in predicting what was really going on in DC, the Viet Nam war, Watergate, etc.
This particular journalist had no network. He never went to press conferences. He never called anyone. But, he always was the first to predict, with uncanny ability what was to happen and often why.
Izzy Stone's secret? He simply watched the news, looked at canned press releases, figured out how things got to the point they were at, understood that options were often limited, and came to a conclusion, believing human nature fairly predictable.
Too bad he is no longer around. If you think about Brent's departure, it was preordained probably two, or three years ago. The 2013-14 season flowed from Brent and the obvious baggage he carried.
Likewise, the present silence in the context of what the decision makers were saying, doing and given who the decision makers are, should give an indication of where this is all going.
Now think it through, and think through who said what, and why things are silent now. Let's see if we might not be able to be as good as I.F. Stone once was and figure this out.
I'm going to stick to rumor mongering and freaking out, tyvm.
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So does anybody know who shot Kennedy?
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Lots of first time posters suddenly showing up with theories......hmmm,
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My guess is IWB's source is someone from MU's future AD's office.
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So does anybody know who shot Kennedy?
LBJ
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LBJ
LeBron James?!
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My guess is IWB's source is someone from MU's future AD's office.
So that is why Shaka and the AD were holed up all afternoon Monday plotting the future of the program
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I wish there was a smiley bashing his head against a wall on this site.
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(http://www.letsmakeadeal.com/images/mh-1975.jpg)
(http://www.kilala.nl/School/Images/MHDecTree.png)
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With the limited amount of information coming from IWB, to me it's quite simple what happened. His sources, probably heard of a hiring which was in fact, the new President. My guess is that Shaka was attached to that newsbit without any verification. All of the news we heard was related to a "major announcement", "Wednesday press conference", "big hire", etc all fits the bill the new president being hired. To me, it seems that information was misconstrued by one of the sources. Shaka Smart fit the bill, of a big hire, but in fact..... it was the new President. Since he's local, logically, he would not have any sources at a low key school such as VCU. His sources would be someone who's connected at MU. I even know someone who knows someone at MU.
Haha. I have more respect for IWB than this despite his strongly worded Tweet.
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I wish there was a smiley bashing his head against a wall on this site.
Will this do?
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/db507cdfc6.gif)
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I am truly flattered boys, but it's getting to look a bit like an episode of the X-Files in here!
SBS
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I'll throw all my ignorance behind this theory. Pieces fit.
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I am truly flattered boys, but it's getting to look a bit like an episode of the X-Files in here!
SBS
hey shaka
how r u
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Will this do?
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/db507cdfc6.gif)
thats about it, yep.
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My guess is IWB's source is someone from MU's future AD's office.
Let's assume IWB is a fake source. What do we know so far?
1. Father Wild wasn't impressed by the media hype of Shaka Smart - That's on JSOnline
2. VCU has denied any FORMAL contact from MU. -This Doesn't mean 3rd parties (feelers) haven't been involved. In fact, Buzz's deal from VaTech was largely instigated by his good friend, Mick Cronin of Cincinnatti.
3. We do know that the job has received high interest: Ben Howland, new reports are leaking that Bruce Weber wants to come home now (do not hire!), Archie Miller was one of the first people they called - lo and behold he was given an extension on Monday (Job wasn't big enough jump according to sources), Gregg Marshall is rumored to be showing interest (in my mind, can't recruit well enough), but Shaka Smart hasn't come out and flat denied anything of sorts.
4. Shaka's assistant going to Rice - raises a red flag that if Shaka were to leave.... wouldn't this guy take over for VCU?
5. My logic is that MU will get the Pres, (done) and then hire an AD soon. After a foundation is laid, then we will see more activity on the coaching front. As for now, they will entertain the field of coaches. The Bruce Weber "interested rumor" proves that theory, that MU is window shopping at this point. For all we know, it may be posturing to lower Howland's price.
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The Gold.
Agree to disagree. This was never that bad.
Giving a retired jersey number to a current player.
Marquette doesn't retire numbers, only jerseys.
The Fr. Pilarz hire.
I'd say the Fr. Pillarz firing was worse, since it made it look rash, but I'll give you this one.
The Larry Williams vs Buzz Williams drama.
? How better would you have liked them to handle than to say nothing?
Having multiple very high up academic positions vacant for an extended period of time.
Would you prefer they just grabbed the first person off the street? You didn't seem to like that with the Pillarz
The handling of allegations of sexual abuse by athletes, which resulted in a federal investigation.
100% this one.
Tearing down Hegarty's.
Letting Angelo's close.
Really?
These are all, at best, a stretch. If you want to think the fact that they are taking their time stocking high-level positions at MU is a sign that they are a bunch of bumbling morons, that's your prerogative. That doesn't make it accurate.
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Let's assume IWB is a fake source. What do we know so far?
1. Father Wild wasn't impressed by the media hype of Shaka Smart - That's on JSOnline
2. VCU has denied any FORMAL contact from MU. -This Doesn't mean 3rd parties (feelers) haven't been involved. In fact, Buzz's deal from VaTech was largely instigated by his good friend, Mick Cronin of Cincinnatti.
3. We do know that the job has received high interest: Ben Howland, new reports are leaking that Bruce Weber wants to come home now (do not hire!), Archie Miller was one of the first people they called - lo and behold he was given an extension on Monday (Job wasn't big enough jump according to sources), Gregg Marshall is rumored to be showing interest (in my mind, can't recruit well enough), but Shaka Smart hasn't come out and flat denied anything of sorts.
4. Shaka's assistant going to Rice - raises a red flag that if Shaka were to leave.... wouldn't this guy take over for VCU?
5. My logic is that MU will get the Pres, (done) and then hire an AD soon. After a foundation is laid, then we will see more activity on the coaching front. As for now, they will entertain the field of coaches. The Bruce Weber "interested rumor" proves that theory, that MU is window shopping at this point. For all we know, it may be posturing to lower Howland's price.
We also know that Marquette has talked to Shaka (per Goodman)
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With the limited amount of information coming from IWB, to me it's quite simple what happened. His sources, probably heard of a hiring which was in fact, the new President. My guess is that Shaka was attached to that newsbit without any verification. All of the news we heard was related to a "major announcement", "Wednesday press conference", "big hire", etc all fits the bill the new president being hired. To me, it seems that information was misconstrued by one of the sources. Shaka Smart fit the bill, of a big hire, but in fact..... it was the new President. Since he's local, logically, he would not have any sources at a low key school such as VCU. His sources would be someone who's connected at MU. I even know someone who knows someone at MU.
I don't buy that. I can't imagine that MU wanted to announce the new Pres until after the April BoT meeting. Why would MU make a public announcement before the Board meets, and presumably finalizes the choice.
Not naming the incoming Pres before April was not an issue until Buzz left and some candidate(s) expressed (understandable) hesitation at signing on without knowing who would be at the helm of either Athletics or the university. Fortunately, it seems that the new Pres had already been identified and so MU could easily move that announcement forward, and thus allowing the candidate(s) to be in contact with him.
This train of thought keeps me hoping that a deal with some candidate was agreed upon in principle, but that we needed to push forward the Pres announcement in order to finalize one with the new coach.
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hey shaka
how r u
Chillin and enjoying the show. Things will all work out...
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Archie Miller was one of the first people they called - lo and behold he was given an extension on Monday (Job wasn't big enough jump according to sources),
Haha, you're killing me, man.
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Agree to disagree. This was never that bad.
Marquette doesn't retire numbers, only jerseys.
I'd say the Fr. Pillarz firing was worse, since it made it look rash, but I'll give you this one.
? How better would you have liked them to handle than to say nothing?
Would you prefer they just grabbed the first person off the street? You didn't seem to like that with the Pillarz
100% this one.
Really?
These are all, at best, a stretch. If you want to think the fact that they are taking their time stocking high-level positions at MU is a sign that they are a bunch of bumbling morons, that's your prerogative. That doesn't make it accurate.
The last two were a joke. Lighten up.
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Chillin and enjoying the show. Things will all work out...
Welcome Coach Smart. Glad you decided to check out MUScoop before making a decision.
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Let's assume IWB is a fake source. What do we know so far?
1. Father Wild wasn't impressed by the media hype of Shaka Smart - That's on JSOnline
2. VCU has denied any FORMAL contact from MU. -This Doesn't mean 3rd parties (feelers) haven't been involved. In fact, Buzz's deal from VaTech was largely instigated by his good friend, Mick Cronin of Cincinnatti.
3. We do know that the job has received high interest: Ben Howland, new reports are leaking that Bruce Weber wants to come home now (do not hire!), Archie Miller was one of the first people they called - lo and behold he was given an extension on Monday (Job wasn't big enough jump according to sources), Gregg Marshall is rumored to be showing interest (in my mind, can't recruit well enough), but Shaka Smart hasn't come out and flat denied anything of sorts.
4. Shaka's assistant going to Rice - raises a red flag that if Shaka were to leave.... wouldn't this guy take over for VCU?
5. My logic is that MU will get the Pres, (done) and then hire an AD soon. After a foundation is laid, then we will see more activity on the coaching front. As for now, they will entertain the field of coaches. The Bruce Weber "interested rumor" proves that theory, that MU is window shopping at this point. For all we know, it may be posturing to lower Howland's price.
If so, that's a very dangerous game to play. As of this moment, MU is probably the top job available. But that could change tomorrow. Drag this out too long and MU risks losing a guy like Howland. Again, I have this uneasy feeling that MU will mess this up...strike out with the top candidates...and end up with someone like (gulp) Wardle or Jeter.
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The last two were a joke. Lighten up.
To be fair, I hadn't gotten to the post where you said you added two ... so I really thought you were serious. In any case, I'm just not as down on the board as you are. I guess we can have a different opinion on that, though. World will keep on spinnin'
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Let's assume IWB is a fake source. What do we know so far?
1. Father Wild wasn't impressed by the media hype of Shaka Smart - That's on JSOnline
2. VCU has denied any FORMAL contact from MU. -This Doesn't mean 3rd parties (feelers) haven't been involved. In fact, Buzz's deal from VaTech was largely instigated by his good friend, Mick Cronin of Cincinnatti.
3. We do know that the job has received high interest: Ben Howland, new reports are leaking that Bruce Weber wants to come home now (do not hire!), Archie Miller was one of the first people they called - lo and behold he was given an extension on Monday (Job wasn't big enough jump according to sources), Gregg Marshall is rumored to be showing interest (in my mind, can't recruit well enough), but Shaka Smart hasn't come out and flat denied anything of sorts.
4. Shaka's assistant going to Rice - raises a red flag that if Shaka were to leave.... wouldn't this guy take over for VCU?
5. My logic is that MU will get the Pres, (done) and then hire an AD soon. After a foundation is laid, then we will see more activity on the coaching front. As for now, they will entertain the field of coaches. The Bruce Weber "interested rumor" proves that theory, that MU is window shopping at this point. For all we know, it may be posturing to lower Howland's price.
We never wanted Miller. Here's the scoop, or rather, the Scoop, if you will.
MU made a deal with Miller.. We (MU) show up at Dayton's door. Dayton gets scared and gives Miller a huge raise and extension. Miller says thanks to Dayton. In return for our service of showing up at Dayton's door, Miller donates a *significant* amount to the Blue&Gold fund.
Who enforces the "contract" between MU and Miller, i.e., ensures he holds up his end of the bargain? I can only discuss that in a PM. And even there I am hesitant.
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Or maybe... Just MAYBE... hear me out on this... Shaka HIMSELF is an alien and is waiting to get approval from his intergallactic overlords on the job switch. These things take time, folks. Lotta bureaucratic red tape involved.
In outer space, red tape is actually chartreuse.
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3. We do know that the job has received high interest: Ben Howland, new reports are leaking that Bruce Weber wants to come home now (do not hire!), Archie Miller was one of the first people they called - lo and behold he was given an extension on Monday (Job wasn't big enough jump according to sources)
Haha, you're killing me, man.
Hey...... I heard it on ESPN with Scott Van Pelt. I'm not a big Archie Miller fan, although his wife is pretty nice. I'm not sure if he has the recruiting stature needed @ MU. He's had a pretty lucky year with the bracket he drew. If he had been put in the midwest region with Louisville, Kentucky, Wichita St., I'm not sure his name would even be coming up. Funny how luck plays a role!!
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We got a President, need an AD and Coach. Time to change that puky Eagle to WARRIORS! WARRIORS!
Hopefully Howland or Smart
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Chillin and enjoying the show. Things will all work out...
This is the real Shaka Smart. Done deal. I am the source.
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This is the real Shaka Smart. Done deal. I am the source.
Cool! I never lost faith. Welcome to MU!
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All of the theories and speculation are making my head hurt. I'm going to put my phone away and stay off here and twitter for a while. My productivity level has been non existent this week. Patiece.
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How about Warriors with a Zulu image ala Shaka Zulu, I'm really a badger fan? ::)
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Cool! I never lost faith. Welcome to MU!
Thanks! I love Milwaukee!
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I am truly flattered boys, but it's getting to look a bit like an episode of the X-Files in here!
SBS
The truth is out there...
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I like how MU announced the new president as a "Done Deal"
https://twitter.com/MarquetteU/status/448830015170281472/photo/1
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What current player is wearing a retired number?
If I'm remembering right, Lazar was originally #24, which is retired for George Thompson.
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Joseph Duarte@Chronicle_Owls
A mechanical issue with his plane will force new coach Mike Rhoades' introductory presser at Rice pushed back to Thursday, school announced
Uh oh...this sounds fishy!
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Joseph Duarte@Chronicle_Owls
A mechanical issue with his plane will force new coach Mike Rhoades' introductory presser at Rice pushed back to Thursday, school announced
Uh oh...this sounds fishy!
lol!!!!!!!!!! this is so funny
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In outer space, red tape is actually chartreuse.
My mistake, I thought that was a given.
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Joseph Duarte@Chronicle_Owls
A mechanical issue with his plane will force new coach Mike Rhoades' introductory presser at Rice pushed back to Thursday, school announced
Uh oh...this sounds fishy!
The plot thickens!
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The plot thickens!
They couldn't find another plane?
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Joseph Duarte@Chronicle_Owls
A mechanical issue with his plane will force new coach Mike Rhoades' introductory presser at Rice pushed back to Thursday, school announced
Uh oh...this sounds fishy!
Shouldnt be flying malaysian airlines
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Joseph Duarte@Chronicle_Owls
A mechanical issue with his plane will force new coach Mike Rhoades' introductory presser at Rice pushed back to Thursday, school announced
Uh oh...this sounds fishy!
Hmmm. Maybe he heard VCU job could open up. Lol. I need to just sit back and wait. There. Whew
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They couldn't find another plane?
Yeah, what's the matter, AutoZone doesn't stock the parts?
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I like how MU announced the new president as a "Done Deal"
https://twitter.com/MarquetteU/status/448830015170281472/photo/1
For how smug they're being about all of this, the new head coach had better be amazing.
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For how smug they're being about all of this, the new head coach had better be amazing.
It's about time we get a little swagger out of Marquette. I am excited to see the touchdown celebration!
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It's about time we get a little swagger out of Marquette. I am excited to see the touchdown celebration!
As long as they don't dunk the goalposts. We can't have any fines from the NFL ruining Shaka Smart Day.
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Absolutely not living under a rock. But I also know it's real easy to say "there are tons of reasons for XYZ". It's much harder to sit down and actually come up with those reasons.
Again, I don't think any institution is perfect, but we've already made up our minds that the University's leadership is inept, and use every little thing that goes wrong to confirm it.
It's tiresome. But, If I'm wrong and indeed living under a rock, I'd love to know all the things MU has royally screwed up--to the point that they can't be trusted to do anything right.
It's actually pronounced why-why-ZED.
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We never wanted Miller. Here's the scoop, or rather, the Scoop, if you will.
MU made a deal with Miller.. We (MU) show up at Dayton's door. Dayton gets scared and gives Miller a huge raise and extension. Miller says thanks to Dayton. In return for our service of showing up at Dayton's door, Miller donates a *significant* amount to the Blue&Gold fund.
Who enforces the "contract" between MU and Miller, i.e., ensures he holds up his end of the bargain? I can only discuss that in a PM. And even there I am hesitant.
We all know its slimy, but is it legal?
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I like how MU announced the new president as a "Done Deal"
https://twitter.com/MarquetteU/status/448830015170281472/photo/1
Add this to the tongue in cheek communications coming from MU this week. Actually makes me feel better
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We got a President, need an AD and Coach. Time to change that puky Eagle to WARRIORS! WARRIORS!
Hopefully Howland or Smart
And I thought Willie was the one-trick pony around here!
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We all know its slimy, but is it legal?
Well if it isn't, MU better call Keefe, Goose & Shaw. I just saw their commercial and I'm sold.
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Only time will tell.
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Well if it isn't, MU better call Keefe, Goose & Shaw. I just saw their commercial and I'm sold.
"Have you ever worked with asbestos? If so you need to call Keefe, Goose & Shaw."
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"Have you ever worked with asbestos? If so you need to call Keefe, Goose & Shaw."
Hi.... have you or someone you know been permanently handicapped by a Jeddy? Then call Keefe, Goose & Shaw at Naboo-Five-Zero-Jeddy.