Oso planning to go pro
This is about getting an accurate count, not who’s right or wrong.
What does the data show if it doesn’t show that 13% of deaths attributed to Covid had no mention of Covid on death certificate.
That's not what you said in the post I responded to.
Cool. I look forward to seeing many links from you about the under-counting of deaths coming out of other states in your endless pursuit of the truth. Seriously, I look forward to them.
If there is a link with data showing that I’m all in for sharing it and discussing it.
Not to take away from the pissing matches of who's more wrong but I thought we might circle back to where we are in our knowledge of the virus(and acknowledge we've made a ton of progress since March which was one of the main outcomes of the lockdown). So I tried to make a list of things we now know* about the virus and how prevent and/or treat it-General virus transmission rules apply so minimize duration with infected person, maximize distance, wash hands as much as possible, and outside is much preferred to inside-Infected people who wear masks reduce transmissions, transmissions are significantly reduced if all parties wear masks-This virus tends to transmit in "large batches" meaning that a casual encounter with a person at a store is a lot less likely to cause infection(especially in an exponential growth style) than are large events like church service, concert, etc-the contagion period seems to be two days prior to symptoms and 2-3 days after symptoms start-the preponderance of severe cases is in the elderly and/or those with significant comorbidities-Once you get Covid you very likely have immunity for a period of time(length is unknown at this time)-early intervention in the form of intebation is to be avoided-lay patients prone as much as possible and watch for clotting events-Vaccine of some sort is very probable to happen the only question is how much immunity does it confer and how long does it lost (is it flu vaccine effective or MMR vaccine effective). The other question is when it would be available-UV light kills the virus on surfacesWhat did I miss, anything I got really wrong? My point here is we really are starting to get a handle on this virus and that should guide as we go forward. We also need to let go of our "priors" we developed in February/March when we were just learning of this virus(prime example is Fauci saying masks don't matter in March, we know a lot more now).*I mean this to be probably known or scientifically verified, we don't know a lot with 100% certainty....but we can't make decisions on just the 100% certain info
Good list. Thanks.Unfortunately, even facts lead to pissing matches. For example, masks have become a political issue.But yes, good list.
God I wish the banhammer would come down on you.....
I get why masks are "controversial", part of it is the media is bad at identifying when priors have changed. I'm not even sure if it's a fixable thing, but once a "fact" is out there, in this cause the authorities saying early on not to wear masks in public, it is tough to walk it back.I mean it's somewhat hip to make fun of the "neanderthals refusing to wear masks" but I can also see how/why people come to a conclusion like that....if they are predisposed to distrust government and are told not to wear masks then everything is shut down (government overreach to them) and then told to wear masks it becomes an easy flashpoint for resistance.Honestly, part of the reason I made that post is that I feel like in this thread and in the US generally we need a reset. Let's all stop and think about what we actually know and what stuff we have to leave in the past. We need to reset our priors and reevaluate our going forward based on today not what we think we know from the past.
I mean it's somewhat hip to make fun of the "neanderthals refusing to wear masks" but I can also see how/why people come to a conclusion like that....if they are predisposed to distrust government and are told not to wear masks then everything is shut down (government overreach to them) and then told to wear masks it becomes an easy flashpoint for resistance.
As our understanding has evolved, it has become clear that masks are a useful tool in preventing spread. Even cloth masks have some value, though clearly surgical masks and N95s are better. Just wear the masks and a whole lot of transmission is prevented.
I don't see this turning out well for the country. Instead of following the advice of CDC and peer-reviewed data, the White House is actively seeking out doctors who agree with his views, with a promise of TV time if they say the right thing. Note: this article is from the politically-central Associated Press.Trump allies lining up doctors to prescribe rapid reopeninghttps://apnews.com/4ee1a3a8d631b454f645b2a8d9597de7Republican political operatives are recruiting “extremely pro-Trump” doctors to go on television to prescribe reviving the U.S. economy as quickly as possible, without waiting to meet safety benchmarks proposed by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to slow the spread of the new coronavirus.The plan was discussed in a May 11 conference call with a senior staffer for the Trump reelection campaign organized by CNP Action, an affiliate of the GOP-aligned Council for National Policy. A leaked recording of the hourlong call was provided to The Associated Press by the Center for Media and Democracy, a progressive watchdog group.