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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by rocket surgeon on Today at 04:10:20 PM »
    something like 11 out of last 13 jobs reports have had to be REVISED DOWN. 

    most people don't see the revisions-

       that's what weekend at Bernie's is hoping
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The Superbar / Re: Bodhana Sivanandan
« Last post by Jay Bee on Today at 03:54:17 PM »
Nah, peace to my guy Grandmaster Caz
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Hangin' at the Al / Re: Crean vs Buzz vs Wojo vs Shaka
« Last post by MU82 on Today at 03:44:19 PM »
Good catch.  I thought we were a 3 that year.  Nonetheless, stellar coaching job leading a team with DWade to a first round loss against Tulsa.

Do you feel Crean was a better coach than Buzz?  Seems you haven't weighed in on the topic, so lets get your rankings!

At Indiana, Bobby Knight had stellar coaching jobs in losing first-round NCAA tournament games to double-digit seeds Pepperdine, Boston College, Richmond and Cleveland State. I'm guessing you think he was a pretty good coach.

Hell, Shaka went 9 years without winning a single NCAA tournament game, including a loss to a 14-seeded Abilene Christian team that a Texas squad with 4 NBA players should have beaten by 20+. And I know you think Shaka is a great coach despite that stellar coaching job.

So the argument that Crean was bad because he lost to a 12-seed to end Wade's first college season (and then went to the Final Four one year later) is an interesting one.

Both Williams and Crean contributed a lot to Marquette basketball. Crean left Williams much more talent than most first-year coaches receive to work with: Matthews, James, McNeil, Hayward, Acker, Cubillan, Fulce, Burke.

Williams had two full years at Marquette - one as Crean's assistant, one as the head coach of a talented team - to recruit good players for his own second season. And he did a good job, landing Butler, DJO, Buycks and Maymon.

I'm not sure what the problem is with that Crean-to-Williams handoff.

Also ... this:

The more important question is:

Who effing cares?

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Hangin' at the Al / Re: скачать фильмы без смс
« Last post by HouWarrior on Today at 03:32:54 PM »
Comrade, please Putin Superbar
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Hangin' at the Al / Re: Crean vs Buzz vs Wojo vs Shaka
« Last post by Uncle Rico on Today at 03:29:51 PM »
I think Buzz is a better basketball coach, but Crean improved the program more than Buzz did and was a more important coach to the program.

The more important question is:

Who effing cares?
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Hangin' at the Al / Re: скачать фильмы без смс
« Last post by Uncle Rico on Today at 03:26:19 PM »
Roqqqet, 

What does that say?
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Hangin' at the Al / Re: Crean vs Buzz vs Wojo vs Shaka
« Last post by wadesworld on Today at 03:23:44 PM »
Good catch.  I thought we were a 3 that year.  Nonetheless, stellar coaching job leading a team with DWade to a first round loss against Tulsa.

Do you feel Crean was a better coach than Buzz?  Seems you haven't weighed in on the topic, so lets get your rankings!

I think Buzz is a better basketball coach, but Crean improved the program more than Buzz did and was a more important coach to the program.
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Hangin' at the Al / Re: Crean vs Buzz vs Wojo vs Shaka
« Last post by Elonsmusk on Today at 03:09:01 PM »
5 seeds don’t play 14 seeds round one.

Also, was MU not allowed to recruit during Buzz’s first year? Why was he “forced” to start two small guards his second year?

Good catch.  I thought we were a 3 that year.  Nonetheless, stellar coaching job leading a team with DWade to a first round loss against Tulsa.

Do you feel Crean was a better coach than Buzz?  Seems you haven't weighed in on the topic, so lets get your rankings!
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Hangin' at the Al / Re: Crean vs Buzz vs Wojo vs Shaka
« Last post by Elonsmusk on Today at 03:05:47 PM »
The simple question is one of facts.

Did Tom Crean recruit David Cubillan? Yes. Did David Cubillan start all 34 games for Marquette in 2009-10? Yes.

Did Tom Crean recruit Maurice Acker? Yes. Did Maurice Acker appear in all 34 games, starting 21, and rank top-5 in total minutes played for Marquette in 2009-10? Yes.

Did Tom Crean recruit Lazar Hayward? Yes. Did Lazar Hayward start all 34 games for Marquette in 2009-10? Yes.

Tom Crean also recruited Joe Fulce, who was committed before Crean left. He started the other 13 games that Acker didn't start.

So by any measure, trying to dispute that Crean left three players that started on the 2009-10 team, which was not Buzz's "Year 1", is simply at odds with reality. Contending such is wrong. This isn't a debate, a discussion, or any form of discourse. They were not starters on Buzz's first team, but in his second year, they were. And Crean left them behind.

Buzz inherited an absolutely loaded team, arguably the most top-to-bottom loaded with talent team since the 1970s. He had four of the top ten scorers in program history, 175/175 starts in 2009 and 103/170 starts in 2010 were inherited players, all good enough to start for top-6 NCAA seeds. We know that because that's what they did.

It's similar to pieces Wojo left for Shaka. Justin Lewis, Greg Elliott, Oso Ighodaro, Stevie Mitchell, and Kam Jones are all guys Wojo gets credit for bringing to Marquette and for leaving "in the cupboard".

This isn't an opinion discussion. It's a fact based one. Hindsight is 20/20, and in this case, there's simply no disputing what we actually know happened.


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