Oso planning to go pro
O’Neill accomplished those things just before Crean arrived. The poster said that Crean inherited a program in a bad or mediocre place.
6years is a long time in college sports... by that logic Shaka came into a program that just went to back to back sweet 16s and an elite 8.
Sure. It’s all relative. It’s fair to say Crean didn’t inherit the best situation. But MUBB still made the NCAA Tourney a couple of more times in Deane’s 5 years and they won 20 plus games 4 of the 5 seasons and so on.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
TC certainly had a better starting point than KO did...but Mike Deane had a better one than both of them. TC also took Marquette to the next level as a program.
And MU won 20plus games 3/7 years under Wojo and had a couple more NCAA years under him. Again the comparison to Shaka's situation is there and nobody would say MU hoops was in a good spot when Wojo was axed.
100% Buzz. Even if you think Deane had the better roster (I'd give it to Buzz) the rest of the program was infinitely better at that point.
What was left in the program for Buzz in Year 2? Sure he had 3 great seniors in Wes, Rel, and Dom? Basically in Year 2 buzz had 1 legit player inherited - Lazar. Mo and Cubby were marginal at best.I'm optimistic Shaka will be the best we've had since Al - and he completely made over the roster in Year 1.
What was left in the program for Buzz in Year 2? Sure he had 3 great seniors in Wes, Rel, and Dom? Basically in Year 2 buzz had 1 legit player inherited - Lazar. Mo and Cubby were marginal at best.
If only a head coach had the ability to do anything about his year two roster ...Another thing no one seems to mention ... Tom Crean left Marquette with Buzz Williams. Had Crean not pushed the administration to pony up for Buzz after his trainwreck season at UNO, he'd have never ever been hired as HC. And we probably would have ended up with the likes of Kevin Stallings or Brad Brownell or (gulp) Keno Davis. If nothing else, that should convince the Buzz-o-philes that Crean left the program in a better place than his successor.
I'm just grateful that Tex Winter left the program on such solid footing for Shaka.
crap, I thought this *was* the office. Guess I should check the address on those paystubs.
Speaking of "The Office", was Jenna Fischer cuter than a bug's ear or what?
I have always appreciated what Crean did while at MU. Had no ill-well toward him for leaving. However, when resident Crean-o-phile, Chicos Bailbonds/Billy Hoyle started knocking down Buzz and taking all kinds of shots at him? Was ridiculous. Buzz put up great results while at MU. Period. Reloaded the empty cupbard he was left with in Year 2 and MU never missed a beat.That all aside..was Buzz quirky AF? Yes. Did he push the envelope/edge? Yes. Were the same things true of Al McGuire? Yes. Just weird how some of our fans want to shat on Buzz, many of whom were ProJos.
We would have ended up with Tony Bennett. He accepted the job right after Buzz accepted after a group of alumni flew to Pullman and asked him to reconsider his initial rejection (his wife wanted him to wait for the LSU job). Then we wouldn't have been on the front pages of major newspapers discussing sexual assault, player arrests, violations resulting in the dismissal of assistant coaches, etc.
I don't think it is fair to say that Buzz "covered up sexual assault." I think he improperly inserted himself into a sexual assault investigation, but from what I heard, that was mostly due to ignorance of Title IX procedures rather than malicious intent. This is why Tom Cottingham lost his job.
Well we do know he gathered the team to get the story straight and reach out to one of the women. That was well reported. I think it then comes down to what does "get the story straight" mean? That could be anything from cover up to trying to simply understand what took place.