2022-2023 NFL Season

[Pakuni]

Speaking of Bears trades, I think the Roquan deal that a lot of Bears fans here liked looks worse in hindsight.
He's a guy they could have built their defense around for the next 4-5 years, and they easily could have afforded what he got from Baltimore and still had the most cap space in the league heading into the offseason.

[jesmu84]

Right. The Packers GM isn’t great. This just reinforces the Bears made a bad deal.

5 years to judge?

But honestly, why is this being discussed right now?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

5 years to judge?

But honestly, why is this being discussed right now?

IDK, I didn't bring it up.

[jesmu84]

Speaking of Bears trades, I think the Roquan deal that a lot of Bears fans here liked looks worse in hindsight.
He's a guy they could have built their defense around for the next 4-5 years, and they easily could have afforded what he got from Baltimore and still had the most cap space in the league heading into the offseason.

What if the new GM and coach, who didn't draft him, don't think he or his position is worth that allocation of resources?

Personally, I don't think that trade is any different today than it was when it happened

[jesmu84]

IDK, I didn't bring it up.

Ya.

My question was more broad despite quoting you

[Jockey]

Not a first round pick.

I have no idea of he will be decent but did you see any of the Bears games? Randy Moss and Jerry Rice would have looked like crap in the Bears offense. They stuffed the roster with XFL talent so they could lose games.

32nd pick.

That is a 1st rounder in every other year.

[WhiteTrash]

Speaking of Bears trades, I think the Roquan deal that a lot of Bears fans here liked looks worse in hindsight.
He's a guy they could have built their defense around for the next 4-5 years, and they easily could have afforded what he got from Baltimore and still had the most cap space in the league heading into the offseason.

As a Bears fan, I still like the trade. I don't know if you build a defense around an OLB. But I could be in the minority.

[WhiteTrash]

32nd pick.

That is a 1st rounder in every other year.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

5 years to judge?

But honestly, why is this being discussed right now?

Poor bias was trying to contribute something.

Fail.

[withoutbias]

Poor bias was trying to contribute something.

Fail.

The beacon of valuable insights to this board has spoken.

Lol.

[Pakuni]

What if the new GM and coach, who didn't draft him, don't think he or his position is worth that allocation of resources?

Personally, I don't think that trade is any different today than it was when it happened

I'd be very surprised to learn that a coach who saw the difference Darius (now Shaquille) Leonard can make in his scheme would downgrade the value of an elite, three-down linebacker.
And yeah, Poles may very well not believe an off-ball LB is worth those resources.  That doesn't make his decision a good one. The same guy thought dealing a 2nd for Chase Claypool was a good idea.

The Ravens seem to disagree, and that's a front office that doesn't miss often.

[WhiteTrash]

I'd be very surprised to learn that a coach who saw the difference Darius (now Shaquille) Leonard can make in his scheme would downgrade the value of an elite, three-down linebacker.
And yeah, Poles may very well not believe an off-ball LB is worth those resources.  That doesn't make his decision a good one. The same guy thought dealing a 2nd for Chase Claypool was a good idea.

The Ravens seem to disagree, and that's a front office that doesn't miss often.

Sometimes both teams get what they want from a trade. Both win.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

The beacon of valuable insights to this board has spoken.

Lol.

11:06.

[Jockey]

Bears give up #32 for a stiff at WR.

Bears get a pick in the low 50s for a pro bowl LB.

Poles is going to get LOTS of calls.

[jesmu84]

Bears give up #32 for a stiff at WR.

Bears get a pick in the low 50s for a pro bowl LB.

Poles is going to get LOTS of calls.

The context of these trades is rather important. But, *shrugs*

[Pakuni]

Tony Dungy has had an interesting week.

[Pakuni]

The context of these trades is rather important. But, *shrugs*

If by context with the Roquan deal, you mean "We're in full rebuild mode and don't believe a $100 million off-ball linebacker is a good fit for that rebuild, so let's get what we can for him," then sure. I disagree, but yeah, there's a thought pattern there.

What's the context on the Claypool deal? If you're in full rebuild mode and tanking the season, why dump a high second-round pick (the highest, it turns out) for a "help the team now" player whose 1.5 seasons from free agency? And when a team that doesn't miss on wide receiver evaluations is willing to dump a wide receiver, why blow past that red flag and pay such a high price?

[tower912]

I am glad the Lions were able to pawn off Hockenson on the Vikings.   Capable replacements on the roster, more picks.

[Jockey]

The context of these trades is rather important. But, *shrugs*

Of course it is.

One was desperation. The other was getting rid of a guy they didn't want to deal with when every team in the League knew they wanted to dump him.

Lotsa calls.

[JWags85]

Bears give up #32 for a stiff at WR.

Bears get a pick in the low 50s for a pro bowl LB.

Poles is going to get LOTS of calls.

We're calling Claypool a "stiff" now?  3rd among rookies in yards his first year, despite being the distinct #2 option in Pittsburgh (the 2 above him, Lamb and Jefferson, are both arguably top 5 WRs in the league).  Then equaled that yardage last year despite missing a game and having a noodle armed ancient Big Ben at QB.  He didn't have a good 7 games in Chicago, but nobody did at WR.

I didn't love the trade and thought a 2nd was too much to give up for him, even without the 1.5 year till FA situation, but calling him a stiff just makes you look dramatic at best, snarkily biased at worst.  Claypool from 2020-2021, who you would assume was being traded for considering no major injuries or loss of ability, is the 3rd or 4th best WR in the NFC North, behind Jefferson and St Brown, depending how you feel about a mid 30s Thielen who has lost a step.

But again, if it was a 3rd or 4th, I would like it more, and will be baffled more by it if he leaves next summer.

And when a team that doesn't miss on wide receiver evaluations is willing to dump a wide receiver, why blow past that red flag and pay such a high price?

I didn't see it as a big red flag as much as an embarrassment of riches/fit.  I think Claypool had really good chemistry with Big Ben, but Pickett clicked more with Johnson and Pickens, the latter of whom has an insane ceiling and is on a rookie deal for 3 more years.

[Jockey]

We're calling Claypool a "stiff" now?  3rd among rookies in yards his first year, despite being the distinct #2 option in Pittsburgh (the 2 above him, Lamb and Jefferson, are both arguably top 5 WRs in the league).  Then equaled that yardage last year despite missing a game and having a noodle armed ancient Big Ben at QB.  He didn't have a good 7 games in Chicago, but nobody did at WR.

I didn't love the trade and thought a 2nd was too much to give up for him, even without the 1.5 year till FA situation, but calling him a stiff just makes you look dramatic at best, snarkily biased at worst.  Claypool from 2020-2021, who you would assume was being traded for considering no major injuries or loss of ability, is the 3rd or 4th best WR in the NFC North, behind Jefferson and St Brown, depending how you feel about a mid 30s Thielen who has lost a step.

42 catches for 450 yards and 0 TDs does not equal the 3rd or 4th best WR in the NFC North. Especially on a team that had no other WR to catch the ball.

I think any GM worth his salt would take St. Brown, Williams, Chark, Jefferson, and Watson ahead of Chase. Claypool right now is in a group with Mooney, Thielen, Osborne, Lazard, and Doubs.

Can he get back to the promise he showed as a rookie? We'll find out this year.

[WhiteTrash]

What's the context on the Claypool deal? If you're in full rebuild mode and tanking the season, why dump a high second-round pick (the highest, it turns out) for a "help the team now" player whose 1.5 seasons from free agency? And when a team that doesn't miss on wide receiver evaluations is willing to dump a wide receiver, why blow past that red flag and pay such a high price?

You win the Bears and Packers are idiots for one trying to get him and one actually getting the guy for a second round pick.

I think the Bears offense this year was too bad to fairly evaluate any WR, so I'll take a wait as see approach.

[Jockey]

You win the Bears and Packers are idiots for one trying to get him and one actually getting the guy for a second round pick.

I think the Bears offense this year was too bad to fairly evaluate any WR, so I'll take a wait as see approach.

Kinda like Bears fans did with Trubisky.

[DegenerateDish]

The Claypool trade was terrible, the Roquan trade was fine, there’s no reason for the worst record team in the NFL to give $100 M to an off ball linebacker.

Big offseason for Poles, people here are more than right to question his moves (again, I’m fine with the Roquan trade). People do forget Poles also got a 4th rounder for (and cleared cap room) for the corpse of Robert Quinn (who did nothing in Philly).

Wait to see this offseason.

[MU82]

Tony Dungy has had an interesting week.

Marquette's own Nancy Armour calls out Dungy in a great column:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2023/01/19/tony-dungy-bigotry-vulnerable-transgender-kids-risk/11085306002/