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OMGWere they wearing hats indoors as well? Or had tattoos?
Who had a better freshman year so far Joey or Henry Ellenson? Bearing in mind Joey has a far superior supporting cast. Joey has a much better outside shot, and I think that will make the difference as far as future NBA success.
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Joey is in almost every way a better basketball player than Henry. I can't really think of a deficiency when comparing. Not as tall? Doesn't get as many easy rebounds?Joey is basically the harmonic mean between Henry's measurables and Sam's acumen/court sense. Which = an incredible player!
Henry was a great collegiate rebounder, better than Joey there. Also better with the ball in his hands, though not way better. Joey's the better shooter and defender. Arguable everywhere else. I suspect Henry better, but too close to call for me.
Henry would look a hell of a lot better on this team—Who knows, people may have loved him as a one and done with this cast around him.
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This. No disrespect to Joey but I think other than shooting, Henry has him beat everywhere else
Henry was really bad at guarding people. I think Joey has him beat there, too.
Joey is a better defender.
Joey is really bad at guarding anyone who isn't a stretch big man. Henry is a much more versatile defender.
Henry could not guard his shadow away from the hoop. Short memory.
But he could defend the hoop very well and was just as good as Joey is on the perimeter...which is not good. Joey doesn't defend anywhere well honestly. He had one good game against a hobbled Dean Wade and everyone crowned him.
That's just not correct. Not only did he do well against Dean Wade, but he also did a tremendous job against Govan. I think it is impossible to directly compare Joey and HE based on stats, as the teams around them were drastically different.
It's very possible to compare them. The fact that Henry played with a worse defensive makes these stats when more impressive.
Actually it doesn't. It's not that simple. You could be a bad defensive player in the post, but on a team with terrible perimeter defenders. By virtue of that, the opposing guards would score more often, making the post player artificially look better.
Even then, if you look at overall composite statistics that take into consideration some of these difficult to characterize variables, you'd see that Joey is by far the better offensive player (Ortg 114.7 vs. 106.3; eFg% 69% vs. 54%) and the better defender (Drtg 97.2 vs. 98.5).
I don't necessarily believe either of those conclusions though, because I don't believe you can accurately use any of these statistics to make conclusions on who was better, besides maybe simple conclusions like. Joey is by far the better perimeter player and HE is a better shot blocker.
And please don't take this as a dis of Joey. I love Joey and think he is going to be an absolute stud for us. But there is reason why Henry was a first round draft pick. He was one of the most talented players that Marquette has ever had. Most comparisons against Henry are going to fall short. If you surrounded Henry with the team that we have now....damn, the things that team could do.
+1Henry was not without flaws. Sure, he forced things too much sometimes, he wasn't a great (but was serviceable) defender, but he had a take-over-a-game ability like no one else until Markus this year. No, his efficiency wasn't stellar, but that was also a product of the surrounding cast and the reason he had to force things. He was certainly among the most naturally gifted players we've seen in a generation.