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Title: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: tower912 on July 24, 2017, 08:28:19 AM
Barring the inevitable transfers (accept that they will happen and move on) we now know the roster for the next 2 years.     To my eyes, it seems a little forward heavy.    The combination of Elliot, Markus, Sacar, Haanif are going to have to be enough at guard in 18-19, I guess.   Obviously, Rowsey will play big minutes in 17-18.  Hopefully, Elliot and Haanif can develop as back up 1's and maybe slide Cain in as a two for 18-19.     

Wojo will have more than adequate size for his defensive system.      No longer, when the opposing 5 slides out to set the high ball screen and our 5 follows, will there be no size left to defend the rim on rotation.     From another perspective, the collection of forwards that MU will have lends itself to a Syracuse-style 2-3 zone.      Having a collection of 6'6"-6'8" forwards who can handle the ball and shoot (Cain, Hausers, Bailey) as well as a 5 who can handle and shoot (Froling) to go with Markus could be a lot of fun.   

The future is bright.    I hope that, when a transfer occurs, Wojo is able to go out and get another guard to balance the roster.   
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
I am nervous about the PG position.  But I think we are fine at the two. Hannie,  Anim, Elliott, Cain,  Bailey,  and Sam can all play the two.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: fjm on July 24, 2017, 08:49:50 AM
Joeys frosh year starting lineup?

Markus
Hanni
Sam
Joey/Ed Morrow
Ed Morrow/heldt/froiling

I think hanni will develop just fine.
I see Elliot backing up Markus. Or Markus playing 35 min a game if he continues to develop and can stay out of foul trouble.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2017, 08:56:56 AM
We'll see but I think Joey will be the first guy off the bench for a very good team as a freshmen.

Starters
Markus
Haanie
Sammy
Morrow
Froling

Bench
Joey
Heldt
Cain
Anim
John
Elliott
Eke
Bailey

That's an insane amount of depth. Gonna be hard to keep everyone happy with their minutes. But thats a great problem to have.  Assuming this is the roster at the start of the season (big assumption) maybe redshirt Bailey to get him back in shape?
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: Warrior Code on July 24, 2017, 09:04:44 AM
On paper, that's a formidable lineup. Love the depth. If we do find a spot open, I'd like to see us land one of those lightning-quick point guards that always seem to give us trouble.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: brewcity77 on July 24, 2017, 09:05:48 AM
I feel like a transfer or two of inevitable, hopefully that will help with point guard depth, but it's nice knowing our roster is pretty well set for the next 3 years. Only three graduations set in that time. Really makes it easier on the recruiting staff knowing they can focus on just a few slots.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 24, 2017, 09:10:46 AM
Could be a red shirt or two built in there too.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: wadesworld on July 24, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
It will be interesting to see how the current players develop.  I wouldn't be surprised if Anim is a better option at the 2 than Haanif in 2 years.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 24, 2017, 09:43:55 AM
I love the frontcourt but a lot of unknowns in the backcourt.  Cain and Elliott both need to add plenty of muscle and work on skill development.  Cheatham and Anim are also unknowns at this point. Stay healthy Markus!

I could see Eke doing a sophomore redshirt if there are no transfers.  With Morrow sitting out this year and Froling ineligible until 2nd semester, we need Eke this year.  But then the next year we'd have Froling, Morrow, John, and Heldt as bigs, plus both Hausers can play the 4.  That would balance the classes a bit too.

Rocket Watts is my top wish for 2019.  Another recruiting showdown between Wojo and Izzo.  Wojo leads 3-2 but he's only won one of the three battles over Michigan natives.

Next wish for 2019 would be a SG.  Chris Carrawell's son will be one to watch; MU reportedly showing interest along with a few other high majors.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: Farley36 on July 24, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
I see Sam is listed as G/F on the roster.  Not sure if that was the same last year.  It makes me wonder if Wojo is attempting to transition him to playing guard so he can have a roster like this in '18-'19.

Howard
Sam
Joey
Morrow
Frohling

I think a lot will depend on how Haani progresses this year.   Last year was clearly a disappointment for him.  I also wouldn't be surprised at this point if Bailey never steps foot on campus and his spot is filled with another guard.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: brewcity77 on July 24, 2017, 10:27:29 AM
I would be surprised if Bailey never sets foot on campus, and unless he changes his game, see him as a 2/3 here rather than a big despite his height.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: wadesworld on July 24, 2017, 10:31:10 AM
I love the frontcourt but a lot of unknowns in the backcourt.  Cain and Elliott both need to add plenty of muscle and work on skill development.  Cheatham and Anim are also unknowns at this point. Stay healthy Markus!

I could see Eke doing a sophomore redshirt if there are no transfers.  With Morrow sitting out this year and Froling ineligible until 2nd semester, we need Eke this year.  But then the next year we'd have Froling, Morrow, John, and Heldt as bigs, plus both Hausers can play the 4.  That would balance the classes a bit too.

Rocket Watts is my top wish for 2019.  Another recruiting showdown between Wojo and Izzo.  Wojo leads 3-2 but he's only won one of the three battles over Michigan natives.

Next wish for 2019 would be a SG.  Chris Carrawell's son will be one to watch; MU reportedly showing interest along with a few other high majors.

Would he get to be a "walk on" without paying a penny since his father is an MU employee?  I believe that's how Doug McDermott was a "walk on" that won the NPOY.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: brewcity77 on July 24, 2017, 10:33:35 AM
Would he get to be a "walk on" without paying a penny since his father is an MU employee?  I believe that's how Doug McDermott was a "walk on" that won the NPOY.

I believe Doug only walked on for his senior season. The first three were scholarship years.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: wadesworld on July 24, 2017, 10:35:28 AM
I believe Doug only walked on for his senior season. The first three were scholarship years.

Interesting.  Is there a rule against a student getting free tuition as the son/daughter of a university employee if they are on an athletics team?  I know for "common" students they get free tuition.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: brewcity77 on July 24, 2017, 10:47:40 AM
Interesting.  Is there a rule against a student getting free tuition as the son/daughter of a university employee if they are on an athletics team?  I know for "common" students they get free tuition.

Apparently Greg hadn't been on the job long enough. According to this article  (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/07/02/all-american-doug-mcdermott-to-become-walk-on-for-creighton/2483463/)Doug's family did have to pay his way as a senior because Greg hadn't been employed at Creighton for 5+ years. Guess that's to avoid hiring an assistant to instantly give their marquee kid free tuition.

For Carrawell's kid, he should just qualify as a 2019 prospect (Carrawell Sr arrived in April 2014, son would arrive in campus at earliest around June 2019), assuming his father is still here. I only say that because he was rumored for a low-major HC job a few months back.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: Tha Hound on July 24, 2017, 10:57:23 AM

I also wouldn't be surprised at this point if Bailey never steps foot on campus and his spot is filled with another guard.

Why do some people keep saying this? Bailey is absolutely coming to MU.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: Newsdreams on July 24, 2017, 11:09:58 AM
I love the frontcourt but a lot of unknowns in the backcourt.  Cain and Elliott both need to add plenty of muscle and work on skill development.  Cheatham and Anim are also unknowns at this point. Stay healthy Markus!

I could see Eke doing a sophomore redshirt if there are no transfers.  With Morrow sitting out this year and Froling ineligible until 2nd semester, we need Eke this year.  But then the next year we'd have Froling, Morrow, John, and Heldt as bigs, plus both Hausers can play the 4.  That would balance the classes a bit too.

Rocket Watts is my top wish for 2019.  Another recruiting showdown between Wojo and Izzo.  Wojo leads 3-2 but he's only won one of the three battles over Michigan natives.

Next wish for 2019 would be a SG.  Chris Carrawell's son will be one to watch; MU reportedly showing interest along with a few other high majors.
Izzo no matta, hey?
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 24, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
Why do some people keep saying this? Bailey is absolutely coming to MU.

I think people are just leery anytime there's a long gap between a player committing and a player coming on campus. People look at recruitments like Phillip Flory as examples. But the reality is that programs like BYU and Utah have been recruiting Mormons for years and the vast majority of them end up on campus.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 24, 2017, 11:23:04 AM
We'll see but I think Joey will be the first guy off the bench for a very good team as a freshmen.

Starters
Markus
Haanie
Sammy
Morrow
Froling

Bench
Joey
Heldt
Cain
Anim
John
Elliott
Eke
Bailey

That's an insane amount of depth. Gonna be hard to keep everyone happy with their minutes. But thats a great problem to have.  Assuming this is the roster at the start of the season (big assumption) maybe redshirt Bailey to get him back in shape?

We have plenty of guards.  Our guards just have size now. 

Guards - Markus, Haanif, Sam, Anim, Elliot, Cain and Bailey
Forwards - Morrow, Joey, John
Centers - Froling, Heldt, Eke

Several of the guards can and will play SF, but they can also play off guard.  A little thin on PGs, but I expect Markus to play 35 MPG his junior and senior season. Elliot can fill in at lead guard.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: wadesworld on July 24, 2017, 11:39:52 AM
We have plenty of guards.  Our guards just have size now. 

Guards - Markus, Haanif, Sam, Anim, Elliot, Cain and Bailey
Forwards - Morrow, Joey, John
Centers - Froling, Heldt, Eke

Several of the guards can and will play SF, but they can also play off guard.  A little thin on PGs, but I expect Markus to play 35 MPG his junior and senior season. Elliot can fill in at lead guard.

That's what we would call switchables, ai'na?  Forwards that can play guards, guards that can play forwards.  Just guys that can pass, dribble, and shoot.
Title: Re: 2017-2018-2019
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 24, 2017, 01:40:39 PM
That's what we would call switchables, ai'na?  Forwards that can play guards, guards that can play forwards.  Just guys that can pass, dribble, and shoot.

Sure.  I avoided the wording, but yes - we have several guys that can play both the 2G and SF, and probably PF as well.  In previous years, many of these guys would be playing the 4, but fortunately, we have some real size on our roster looking forward, and the days our undersized 4s are probably mostly behind us.  At least once Froling becomes eligible.