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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: jsglow on December 09, 2014, 01:35:57 PM
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I decided to start a thread where we can intelligently discuss (please) how we want to move forward with our now 3 open scholarships. Everything from specific position to kids we believe Wojo is actively recruiting to the Frosh vs. Juco vs. transfer route seems open for conversation. I sincerely wish Deonte and John then best but that's in the past. Let's please discuss the future.
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Not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but do you think Wojo is recruiting based on the notion that Henry could only be here for one season?
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I do have one immediate suggestion. I do think that Wojo does need to put a couple of walk-ons on the bench for an emergency.
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I think there's a decent chance one or two of those are already filled but can't be announced yet. Keep an eye on the other mid season transfers.
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Recruit basketball players that can shoot and have some athletic ability.
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I think there's a decent chance one or two of those are already filled but can't be announced yet. Keep an eye on the other mid season transfers.
Are you saying Luke type transfers eligible Christmas next year?
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Not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but do you think Wojo is recruiting based on the notion that Henry could only be here for one season?
How in the world can he not?
Draft Express has Henry as the 6th pick in the 2016 Draft. Hopefully Wojo has a plan to make sure Henry isn't our Larry Hughes.
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I think there's a decent chance one or two of those are already filled but can't be announced yet. Keep an eye on the other mid season transfers.
This may be correct. Pretty obviously he knew Dawson was leaving. I think its equally reasonable to think he knew about Burton early on as well. Anyone gonna transfer out of Duke in the next few days?
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Lots of options...
**A semester transfer can come in immediately and help in practice ASAP. Going to have to see who becomes available.
**I would guess that we will have either a Juco or grad transfer who can play immediately next year.
**I would also think that we will be looking at "regular transfers" after the year end.
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This may be correct. Pretty obviously he knew Dawson was leaving. I think its equally reasonable to think he knew about Burton early on as well. Anyone gonna transfer out of Duke in the next few days?
Cmon Okafor...
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1) PG
2) Shooter
3) Rebounder
Paging Big Daddy...need names. Will Wojo bank any? Can we take a mid-semester transfer? Only 9 players otherwise. I think we had Todd's spot still available for one but the spots for Levin, Dawson and Burton can't be used until next year. Would be nice to have 10 players so MU can practice 5-on-5. (Insert Ners comment about Derrick Wilson having the team used to playing 4-on-5.)
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**I don't have any inside info on this but...**
I just gave Duke sophomore forward Semi Ojeleye a follow on Twitter, you know, just in case...
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Hey 03eng, hope you hadn't taped the podcast already. Sh*t can that hour. :'(
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I think there's a decent chance one or two of those are already filled but can't be announced yet. Keep an eye on the other mid season transfers.
I am pretty sure we only have 1 open scholarship available for next semester, and then it becomes 3 going into next season. Although Luke did pay his way through 2nd semester last year, from what I understand...
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I am pretty sure we only have 1 open scholarship available for next semester, and then it becomes 3 going into next season. Although Luke did pay his way through 2nd semester last year, from what I understand...
I believe that's correct. Probably slim to none that it'll be filled by someone who can suit up this year. This might be one of those times when offering it to a player with immediate availability might make some sense. Is there such a commodity?
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Hey 03eng, hope you hadn't taped the podcast already. Sh*t can that hour. :'(
Yeah, this is starting to become a real problem. 4th time in the last two years we've had a podcast for a whole week last less than 72 hours.
Pod signals up, guess we're going have to record another this week. Might have to wait a little and see if any more shoes drop.
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I believe that's correct. Probably slim to none that it'll be filled by someone who can suit up this year. This might be one of those times when offering it to a player with immediate availability might make some sense. Is there such a commodity?
There have been some guys somewhat recently that have graduated from HS early and enrolled in second semester for college. Best one was the 6'8" guy at TN who graduated this past spring and a guard at USC.
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Yeah, this is starting to become a real problem. 4th time in the last two years we've had a podcast for a whole week last less than 72 hours.
Pod signals up, guess we're going have to record another this week. Might have to wait a little and see if any more shoes drop.
Any more shoes drop and freakin' Chitown will have to play. Just wait until Ners gets to scrutinize his game.
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Any more shoes drop and freakin' Chitown will have to play. Just wait until Ners gets to scrutinize his game.
Come on now, Chitown can shoot.
Not all shoes are bad shoes :)
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Recruit basketball players that can shoot and have some athletic ability.
I'd be willing to sacrifice the athletic ability. Just find someone who can shoot the damn ball.
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How in the world can he not?
Draft Express has Henry as the 6th pick in the 2016 Draft. Hopefully Wojo has a plan to make sure Henry isn't our Larry Hughes.
I would seriously hope that Henry, Wojo nor anyone else is making decisions based on what Draft Express says nealry a year before the kid plays a single game.
Henry may very well be a one-and-done. But he wouldn't be the first top 10 kid to stick around a couple of years.
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I would seriously hope that Henry, Wojo nor anyone else is making decisions based on what Draft Express says nealry a year before the kid plays a single game.
Henry may very well be a one-and-done. But he wouldn't be the first top 10 kid to stick around a couple of years.
Nearly every NBA team was in the stands when he was playing in Dubai this summer. And DraftExpress is widely regarded by those in the industry as the #1 site for NBA prospecting.
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Any more shoes drop and freakin' Chitown will have to play. Just wait until Ners gets to scrutinize his game.
The good thing is Ners doesn't look at the defensive side of the ball so I may look as bad as others may see me. Doubt Wojo wants a 5'9" kid but who knows. I'd probably lead the big East in charges taken.
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There have been some guys somewhat recently that have graduated from HS early and enrolled in second semester for college. Best one was the 6'8" guy at TN who graduated this past spring and a guard at USC.
Maybe Henry has been taking some AP classes?
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Nearly every NBA team was in the stands when he was playing in Dubai this summer. And DraftExpress is widely regarded by those in the industry as the #1 site for NBA prospecting.
I'd suggest that those NBA teams were in Dubai to watch more players than just Henry Ellenson.
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Nearly every NBA team was in the stands when he was playing in Dubai this summer. And DraftExpress is widely regarded by those in the industry as the #1 site for NBA prospecting.
Still a lot depends on how next year goes for him and how he feels.
I think there is a solid chance he will stick it out for both his brothers 2 years at least
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I'd suggest that those NBA teams were in Dubai to watch more players than just Henry Ellenson.
Undoubtably they were. And his reviews weren't so great from over there. My point though is that He has been seen by the top scouts in the world. They don't need to see him play in college.
DraftExpress most likely has polled several NBA scouts / GMs and they have placed a top 10 value on Henry. Any MU fan counting on 2 years (save a rule change) is misguided. I understand a lot can happen but I think we need to be realistic.
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Gophers just had a guy transfer, Josh Martin. But from what I saw of him.....no thanks.
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Does defection of Burton and Dawson -- on top of the defections after Bert departed -- hurt Wojo's appeal to potential recruits?
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Does defection of Burton and Dawson -- on top of the defections after Bert departed -- hurt Wojo's appeal to potential recruits?
I don't think so. Everyone pretty much knows that these things can happen with coaching changes.
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Does defection of Burton and Dawson -- on top of the defections after Bert departed -- hurt Wojo's appeal to potential recruits?
Not if you can shoot and put the ball in the basket and defend your man.
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Back on topic, I would like to see Wojo bring in a top 100, traditional recruit (not a recruit who's a traditional, but someone recruited the traditional way, i.e. out of HS w/ verbal before spring signing period) for 15-16, because, to me, the ability to react to a mid-season transfer - after the fall signing period - and not have to resort to the scrap heap would cement Wojo's place as a top recruiter.
In other words, a lot of coaches are good at recruiting, but even some of the best recruiters have a hard time filling a hole on short notice. If Wojo can use Burton or Dawson's scholly to pull in one of the remaining 4-stars (or heaven forbid, a 5-star) for '15-16, it will be hard to argue against crowning him as an elite recruiter.
When's the last time someone even had a top 5 recruiting class in his first year as a HC, and now we're talking outside chance (though be it a slice of pie in sky) that MU ends up with the #1 class for 2015? Oof!
Yet there are still some people upset with Wojo's progress thus far?!?
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Back on topic, I would like to see Wojo bring in a top 100, traditional recruit (not a recruit who's a traditional, but someone recruited the traditional way, i.e. out of HS w/ verbal before spring signing period) for 15-16, because, to me, the ability to react to a mid-season transfer - after the fall signing period - and not have to resort to the scrap heap would cement Wojo's place as a top recruiter.
In other words, a lot of coaches are good at recruiting, but even some of the best recruiters have a hard time filling a hole on short notice. If Wojo can use Burton or Dawson's scholly to pull in one of the remaining 4-stars (or heaven forbid, a 5-star) for '15-16, it will be hard to argue against crowning him as an elite recruiter.
When's the last time someone even had a top 5 recruiting class in his first year as a HC, and now we're talking outside chance (though be it a slice of pie in sky) that MU ends up with the #1 class for 2015? Oof!
Yet there are still some people upset with Wojo's progress thus far?!?
Thanks Benny. That said, I'd personally keep next year's Frosh class at 5 max and use the other two for transfer candidates. I wonder if a kid down the bench a bit at Duke might give us a look? I'm not a fan of banking scholarships (except on a transfer kid sitting out but that's not really banking) but I could imagine that happening next year as Steve will be the only Senior. I guess my first choice after the addition of another Top 100 '15 would be for a graduate (Carlino type) transfer. Frankly if one were announced right now following Luke's path I'd be fine with that.
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Thanks Benny. That said, I'd personally keep next year's Frosh class at 5 max and use the other two for transfer candidates. I wonder if a kid down the bench a bit at Duke might give us a look? I'm not a fan of banking scholarships (except on a transfer kid sitting out but that's not really banking) but I could imagine that happening next year as Steve will be the only Senior. I guess my first choice after the addition of another Top 100 '15 would be for a graduate (Carlino type) transfer. Frankly if one were announced right now following Luke's path I'd be fine with that.
Why do we want somebody down the bench at Duke when we should be getting ones with talent to be on the floor? Just askin'
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Why do we want somebody down the bench at Duke when we should be getting ones with talent to be on the floor? Just askin'
Perhaps a guy down the bench at Duke might have talent and get playing time at MU. Last time I looked we weren't a Top 10 team that just ass kicked Bucky. Just sayin'. Personally, I believe in somewhat balanced classes. We already know who the team captain is next year. But we'll struggle if he only leads a bunch of Freshmen.
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Does defection of Burton and Dawson -- on top of the defections after Bert departed -- hurt Wojo's appeal to potential recruits?
Nope, for the same reason as the fact that while the divorce rate is somewhere around 50%, most people don't go into marriage thinking they will get divorced: optimism bias (cue Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias).
Potential recruits will think, "Yeah, those other guys left, but that's because they aren't as talented/hard-working/diligent/coachable etc. as me. I'll be able to cut it, even though they couldn't."
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Potential recruits will think, "yeah, I fit the mold of Wojo and he wants me here. Its a good thing that I wasnt recruited by one coach and asked to play under a completely type of coach."
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**I don't have any inside info on this but...**
I just gave Duke sophomore forward Semi Ojeleye a follow on Twitter, you know, just in case...
Good call brew!
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Good call brew!
Damn brew. What twitter magics have you been working?
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Why do we want somebody down the bench at Duke when we should be getting ones with talent to be on the floor? Just askin'
I think of guys like Billy McCaffrey, who was bench material at Duke, but was all SEC at Vanderbilt. Or Elliot Williams who was the leading scorer for Memphis. Or Michael Thompson, who starred for Northwestern.
Duke's cast offs can be pretty good.
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Damn brew. What twitter magics have you been working?
Just makes sense. Wojo was his lead recruiter, he's a top-40 RSCI kid that has been buried behind tons of future NBA players in Parker, Hood, and Winslow, and Duke looks likely to land another top-15 guy at his position (Brandon Ingram) next year.
Granted, Ojeleye will get a lot of interest -- Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, and K-State were all heavily involved out of high school, though he did have an offer from Marquette under Buzz as well. I would guess Wichita State and others will try to get involved (he's from Kansas). Ojeleye's also a phenomenal student, carried a 4.0 GPA in high school.
Fingers crossed, but I've had my eye on an Ojeleye transfer to Marquette since April 1 of this year.
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I think the real question with him is if he was so jaded by the Duke experience that Wojo is poisoned by association. I think Kansas State stands a decent chance here.
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I think the real question with him is if he was so jaded by the Duke experience that Wojo is poisoned by association.
Yup. Wojo may have recruited him, but he also helped recruit over him. Should be interesting to follow.
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I think the real question with him is if he was so jaded by the Duke experience that Wojo is poisoned by association. I think Kansas State stands a decent chance here.
I don't think he's jaded by the "Duke experience." I think he just simply wasn't getting enough playing time at Duke. At Marquette, he could easily get playing time. Also, seeing he's a fit with Duke, he probably fits with Wojo's playing style.
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I don't think he's jaded by the "Duke experience." I think he just simply wasn't getting enough playing time at Duke. At Marquette, he could easily get playing time. Also, seeing he's a fit with Duke, he probably fits with Wojo's playing style.
Perhaps. I just don't know his mindset and what he is thinking. Wojo might be a huge advantage...or he might not be.
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Not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but do you think Wojo is recruiting based on the notion that Henry could only be here for one season?
For all the talk about one-and-dones, there really aren't many in any given season.
Having said that, I'm sure Wojo is recruiting at that position regardless. One could make the argument that Heldt is part of Wojo's "insurance policy" against Henry going after 2015-16.
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For all the talk about one-and-dones, there really aren't many in any given season.
Having said that, I'm sure Wojo is recruiting at that position regardless. One could make the argument that Heldt is part of Wojo's "insurance policy" against Henry going after 2015-16.
I don't think Heldt is an insurance policy...Henry is going to play the 4 if not the 3 at MU IMHO
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I'm betting (speculation, no real scoop) that Wojo is very interested in Semi....the question is, is it reciprocated?
You get Semi, a Juco PG, and a grad transfer 5 and we are set
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Just curious. How quickly do mid year transfers typically decide? I'd guess most want this decision made by Christmas such that the paperwork can commence and they can start school in January. I believe I remember Luke's happening in about a week.
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I don't think Heldt is an insurance policy...Henry is going to play the 4 if not the 3 at MU IMHO
Agree completely. I see Henry, Luke and Steve as the starting front line next season with Heldt getting Frosh minutes. I could also see JjJ playing the 3 when Steve comes out or goes to the #5.
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Marquette announced Luke's transfer in mid January, but rumblings came out just before the first of the year.
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Marquette announced Luke's transfer in mid January, but rumblings came out just before the first of the year.
My memory is foggy. I know for certain he was enrolled in school as the semester started on 1/13. I do remember him attending a game with his parents just after the announcement but can't for the life of me recall if it was a conference game. Now that I think of it, he attended only one game prior joining the team on the bench so I bet you're right as usual my good man.
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Agree completely. I see Henry, Luke and Steve as the starting front line next season with Heldt getting Frosh minutes. I could also see JjJ playing the 3 when Steve comes out or goes to the #5.
If Semi comes, I think JjJ's minutes might be limited unless he can break in at the 2. This is predicated the substantially error prone "practice rumors" that Wally is the bee's knees. If Wally is actually a legit players, I think you see a lot of Ellenson minutes at the 3 with JjJ picking up scraps.
Something along the lines of 25, 10, 5....again depending on how good the Ellensons actually are.
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If Semi comes, I think JjJ's minutes might be limited unless he can break in at the 2. This is predicated the substantially error prone "practice rumors" that Wally is the bee's knees. If Wally is actually a legit players, I think you see a lot of Ellenson minutes at the 3 with JjJ picking up scraps.
Something along the lines of 25, 10, 5....again depending on how good the Ellensons actually are.
If JjJ truly sees himself picking up scraps as a Junior and passed over by Wally I think he'll 'consider his options'. I certainly don't want to start something or speculate but no Top 50 recruit wants to be 3rd option. This is especially true if we land a PG because then Duane will be playing the SG spot 30+ minutes.
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Just makes sense. Wojo was his lead recruiter, he's a top-40 RSCI kid that has been buried behind tons of future NBA players in Parker, Hood, and Winslow, and Duke looks likely to land another top-15 guy at his position (Brandon Ingram) next year.
Granted, Ojeleye will get a lot of interest -- Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, and K-State were all heavily involved out of high school, though he did have an offer from Marquette under Buzz as well. I would guess Wichita State and others will try to get involved (he's from Kansas). Ojeleye's also a phenomenal student, carried a 4.0 GPA in high school.
Fingers crossed, but I've had my eye on an Ojeleye transfer to Marquette since April 1 of this year.
Another connection Tyler T (MU Grad Asst) were teammate last year.
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If Semi comes, I think JjJ's minutes might be limited unless he can break in at the 2. This is predicated the substantially error prone "practice rumors" that Wally is the bee's knees. If Wally is actually a legit players, I think you see a lot of Ellenson minutes at the 3 with JjJ picking up scraps.
Something along the lines of 25, 10, 5....again depending on how good the Ellensons actually are.
Wojo wanted to be a running pressing team. Obviously that isn't working out this year due to our bench and personnel. However, if we are able to run and press next year, the bench will go beyond 8 deep and there will be a lot more playing time available.
On a side note, I like how willing Wojo was to totally switch up his preferred style, given our actual team and performances.
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If Semi comes, I think JjJ's minutes might be limited unless he can break in at the 2. This is predicated the substantially error prone "practice rumors" that Wally is the bee's knees. If Wally is actually a legit players, I think you see a lot of Ellenson minutes at the 3 with JjJ picking up scraps.
Something along the lines of 25, 10, 5....again depending on how good the Ellensons actually are.
I think Semi and JJJ would be complementary players and play at the same time. We have to see if Wally substantially improved his basketball skills during his year off. We know he can jump but can he play?
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Perhaps. I just don't know his mindset and what he is thinking.
Well maybe some of the folks who seem to think they know the intimate details about reasons for Deonte Burton transfer can enlighten us in this one as well.
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Wojo wanted to be a running pressing team. Obviously that isn't working out this year due to our bench and personnel. However, if we are able to run and press next year, the bench will go beyond 8 deep and there will be a lot more playing time available.
On a side note, I like how willing Wojo was to totally switch up his preferred style, given our actual team and performances.
+100 I agree. Have loved his ability to adjust to him team makeup and also in game situations. He's been able to adapt to what type of players we currently have. The zone defense has given our guys some fresher legs by the end of the game and have allowed our small in numbers bench to be effective. It has also hidden our lack of size a bit.
I don't have high hopes for this year but I think the future is very bright in regards to what Wojo is going to be able to do on the recruiting front as well as instilling the type of culture that he wants for Marquette. It's an exciting time even if there are going to be some major bumps along the way.
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I think Semi and JJJ would be complementary players and play at the same time. We have to see if Wally substantially improved his basketball skills during his year off. We know he can jump but can he play?
I agree they are complimentary but it all depends on available PT. Having Teve and Semi allows Henry to play the 3 where the bulk of JjJ's minutes would come. If Wally can play it would likely be at the 3. Not calling for all this but it's a real possibility given how JjJ hasn't been impressive to date
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I think the quality of next year's class will show us Wojo's true recruiting ability. While getting Semi would held with this year's practice, it is also an indication that Wojo does not think he can bring in three highly regarded freshmen in the next class. The signing of a mid-season transfer or a Juco player, tells me he sees this year's class as a one time thing.
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I think the quality of next year's class will show us Wojo's true recruiting ability. While getting Semi would held with this year's practice, it is also an indication that Wojo does not think he can bring in three highly regarded freshmen in the next class. The signing of a mid-season transfer or a Juco player, tells me he sees this year's class as a one time thing.
??? He's already got four highly regarded freshman in his next class. Are you saying if he doesn't get three more in this class it is an indication that he won't recruit at this level ever again?
There aren't many highly regarded freshman left unsigned. And many of the ones who are unsigned have already named final lists of schools. If Wojo is going to fill all three schollies, he's gonna have to look at the transfer and juco ranks.
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??? He's already got four highly regarded freshman in his next class. Are you saying if he doesn't get three more in this class it is an indication that he won't recruit at this level ever again?
There aren't many highly regarded freshman left unsigned. And many of the ones who are unsigned have already named final lists of schools. If Wojo is going to fill all three schollies, he's gonna have to look at the transfer and juco ranks.
Not to mention that 7 freshman would really screw up the balance.
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??? He's already got four highly regarded freshman in his next class. Are you saying if he doesn't get three more in this class it is an indication that he won't recruit at this level ever again?
There aren't many highly regarded freshman left unsigned. And many of the ones who are unsigned have already named final lists of schools. If Wojo is going to fill all three schollies, he's gonna have to look at the transfer and juco ranks.
I think he is talking bout the 2016 class, for the 2016-2017 but I don't know why getting Semi(a big talent) to commit would indicate that Wojo has already thrown in the towel on that recruiting class.
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I think the quality of next year's class will show us Wojo's true recruiting ability. While getting Semi would held with this year's practice, it is also an indication that Wojo does not think he can bring in three highly regarded freshmen in the next class. The signing of a mid-season transfer or a Juco player, tells me he sees this year's class as a one time thing.
I think you add top players whenever you can. The future will take care of itself. These days, slots open up regularly.
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I think the quality of next year's class will show us Wojo's true recruiting ability. While getting Semi would held with this year's practice, it is also an indication that Wojo does not think he can bring in three highly regarded freshmen in the next class. The signing of a mid-season transfer or a Juco player, tells me he sees this year's class as a one time thing.
So coming to a new part of the country where he has limited lies and within six months landing three top 100 kids with whom MU had no chance previously doesn't say anything about Wojo's "true" recruiting ability?
Tough crowd.
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I think you add top players whenever you can. The future will take care of itself. These days, slots open up regularly.
This all day and twice on Sunday
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This all day and twice on Sunday
Preach on. Hell, take it in four times on Sunday if you want.
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I think you add top players whenever you can. The future will take care of itself. These days, slots open up regularly.
Absolutely. It has been difficult enough with all of the end of season transfers you see these days...but now with increasing numbers of players choosing the mid-season route (Luke, Deonte, John, Semi, etc), you have to get them while you can.
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Somebody needs to start Flightrackering Wojo's plane.
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Preach on. Hell, take it in four times on Sunday if you want.
Thought it was "Never on Sunday," hey?
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Somebody needs to start Flightrackering Wojo's plane.
Like we did with Shaka?
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Absolutely, positively, must get an experienced guard for depth. Either a one year rental or a JUCO. I have no problem starting Duane and JJJ next year. I worry about only having freshmen for depth. Ergo.....
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Absolutely, positively, must get an experienced guard for depth. Either a one year rental or a JUCO. I have no problem starting Duane and JJJ next year. I worry about only having freshmen for depth. Ergo.....
Not sold that Duane is a point, Nick not sure of either as he seems to be a scorer as well, MU needs a point guard next year, graduate student or a JC kid would be nice. Just need one
more player! Are they looking at any points right now?
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Like we did with Shaka?
No idea what you're talking about.
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMKE/departures/ga?
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Not sold that Duane is a point, Nick not sure of either as he seems to be a scorer as well, MU needs a point guard next year, graduate student or a JC kid would be nice. Just need one
more player! Are they looking at any points right now?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=45652.0
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=45652.0
CJ Woods is 2016, next year is 2015, so is Cassius Winston, 2016
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Not sold that Duane is a point, Nick not sure of either as he seems to be a scorer as well, MU needs a point guard next year, graduate student or a JC kid would be nice. Just need one
more player! Are they looking at any points right now?
Marcus LoVett out of Chicago is on Wojo's list. Ricky Council of North Carolina isn't a point but is a guard.
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Marcus LoVett out of Chicago is on Wojo's list. Ricky Council of North Carolina isn't a point but is a guard.
Jerry Meyer thinks he decides soon. Says it's between Illinois heavy lean with Kansas right behind.
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Jerry Meyer thinks he decides soon. Says it's between Illinois heavy lean with Kansas right behind.
Did he ever visit MU?
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Did he ever visit MU?
No and I'm not sure how much interest Wojo had.
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No and I'm not sure how much interest Wojo had.
I would say there is no reason to discuss him
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I would say there is no reason to discuss him
In August, we were at the top of his list. Obviously things change, but I figured I'd keep him on the list until all is said and signed
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Not sold that Duane is a point, Nick not sure of either as he seems to be a scorer as well, MU needs a point guard next year, graduate student or a JC kid would be nice. Just need one
more player! Are they looking at any points right now?
What is your definition of a point guard?
To me it is the guy who I want controlling the flow of the game, make the right choices and ideally he can use both hands and play at high speed.
I think Duane is an ideal point guard for our team . I love seeing the ball in his hands, and feel good things are going to happen.
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What is your definition of a point guard?
To me it is the guy who I want controlling the flow of the game, make the right choices and ideally he can use both hands and play at high speed.
I think Duane is an ideal point guard for our team . I love seeing the ball in his hands, and feel good things are going to happen.
I played point in high school,, first keep the other players happy, control the tempo, be unselfish, no turnovers, make your shots and free throws as you get fouled all the time at the end of the game, Duane last night was horrible, not sold on his handle yet, might not be strong enough with the ball
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I played point in high school,, first keep the other players happy, control the tempo, be unselfish, no turnovers, make your shots and free throws as you get fouled all the time at the end of the game, Duane last night was horrible, not sold on his handle yet, might not be strong enough with the ball
I think by your definition he did pretty well with the obvious exception of lousy free throws last night.
I believe Duane has an incredible handle. He can go full speed with both hands. Very few guards can do that. It is why I want him with the ball at all times. He and Luke were made for each other.
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I played point in high school,, first keep the other players happy, control the tempo, be unselfish, no turnovers, make your shots and free throws as you get fouled all the time at the end of the game, Duane last night was horrible, not sold on his handle yet, might not be strong enough with the ball
He's played 9 games at the college level. He certainly wasn't horrible (except from the line).
But I agree that his handle isn't there yet. I think it will be when he fully adjusts to the speed of the college game. It is much improved from the earlier games. But I am not ready to anoint him yet as our PG
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I think by your definition he did pretty well with the obvious exception of lousy free throws last night.
I believe Duane has an incredible handle. He can go full speed with both hands. Very few guards can do that. It is why I want him with the ball at all times. He and Luke were made for each other.
Not saying he will not be the point but. Still would like another point if he can not do it
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I played point in high school,, first keep the other players happy, control the tempo, be unselfish, no turnovers, make your shots and free throws as you get fouled all the time at the end of the game, Duane last night was horrible, not sold on his handle yet, might not be strong enough with the ball
Duane was not horrible and his handle is just fine. He finishes way better than our senior pg and will only continue to get better.
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Duane was not horrible and his handle is just fine. He finishes way better than our senior pg and will only continue to get better.
Sorry to say but Derrick is the one of worst point guards MU has ever had, Duane is better in all facets of his game but I like Duane on the wing as he can jump out of the gym and plays pretty good off the ball, nothing wrong finding somebody else
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I view Duane as a scoring guard who can pass, not a point guard who can score. I look for a PG to be good at dribbling, distributing, and decision making. Limit turnovers and run the offense to get everyone else involved. Make the other players better by creating good looks for them. Being able to score in the flow of the game or at the end of a shot clock are great but I prefer the PG is not the primary scorer.
Duane has a few too many turnovers and is a score first, pass second player. On offense, not defense, I see Duane as a more athletic Jerel McNeal with a jumper Jerel didn't have until late in his junior year. A skinnier DJO is also a good comparison.
When I think of a PG, I think of Travis Diener and Tony Miller. Duane is more similar to McNeal and DJO than Diener and Miller. That said, Duane is probably our best PG option next year as the roster is comprised right now. NN is the only other PG option and he'll be a frosh so a lot remains to be seen. But if Wojo can add a starting caliber PG, do it and move Duane to the 2 where he can be a primary scoring option.
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I view Duane as a scoring guard who can pass, not a point guard who can score. I look for a PG to be good at dribbling, distributing, and decision making. Limit turnovers and run the offense to get everyone else involved. Make the other players better by creating good looks for them. Being able to score in the flow of the game or at the end of a shot clock are great but I prefer the PG is not the primary scorer.
Duane has a few too many turnovers and is a score first, pass second player. On offense, not defense, I see Duane as a more athletic Jerel McNeal with a jumper Jerel didn't have until late in his junior year. A skinnier DJO is also a good comparison.
When I think of a PG, I think of Travis Diener and Tony Miller. Duane is more similar to McNeal and DJO than Diener and Miller. That said, Duane is probably our best PG option next year as the roster is comprised right now. NN is the only other PG option and he'll be a frosh so a lot remains to be seen. But if Wojo can add a starting caliber PG, do it and move Duane to the 2 where he can be a primary scoring option.
Funny you write that. Another fan talked to me about this issue and was pissed off at the turnovers. If you look at the numbers, in nearly every game Swaggy shows a 0 A/T ratio or net positive ratio. For a rookie playing his first nine games of college, Wilson has actually done a pretty good job of protecting the ball.
In the end though it's clear Duane is best suited as a 2 which is why I won't concern myself too much this year with every aspect of his game as I just want to see him improve his scoring versatility. I also wouldn't be so surprised to see a NN/Duane backcourt early next season since they'll have a safety blanket of Fischer/Ellenson down low to ease the pressure.
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Funny you write that. Another fan talked to me about this issue and was pissed off at the turnovers. If you look at the numbers, in nearly every game Swaggy shows a 0 A/T ratio or net positive ratio. For a rookie playing his first nine games of college, Wilson has actually done a pretty good job of protecting the ball.
In the end though it's clear Duane is best suited as a 2 which is why I won't concern myself too much this year with every aspect of his game as I just want to see him improve his scoring versatility. I also wouldn't be so surprised to see a NN/Duane backcourt early next season since they'll have a safety blanket of Fischer/Ellenson down low to ease the pressure.
While he may be more suited as a 2, he is talented enough to play either well. Sort of like a young D. Wade
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Duane does have respectable 1.5 to 1 assist to turnover ration. My preference is 2 to 1 or better. So Duane's not far off. I agree that he can play both guard spots and hope he is Jason Terry 2.0.
For comparison, Carlino averages roughly the name number of TO's as Duane but 1 more assist per game for roughly a 2-1 Asst/TO ratio. Derrick averages roughly the same number of assists as Duane but nearly one fewer TO per game for a 3-1 ratio.
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I played point in high school,, first keep the other players happy, control the tempo, be unselfish, no turnovers, make your shots and free throws as you get fouled all the time at the end of the game, Duane last night was horrible, not sold on his handle yet, might not be strong enough with the ball
This is really an old school way of looking at the position.
Duane is going to be fine because it is pretty clear that Wojo doesn't run an offense that needs one guy names as the point guard.
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This is really an old school way of looking at the position.
Duane is going to be fine because it is pretty clear that Wojo doesn't run an offense that needs one guy names as the point guard.
You may be right, but I think nine games with an (incomplete) roster not of his choosing probably doesn't tell us a whole lot about what kind of offense Wojo ultimately wants to run. I think so far what we've seen is him trying to make due as best he can with the hand that's been dealt.
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You may be right, but I think nine games with an (incomplete) roster not of his choosing probably doesn't tell us a whole lot about what kind of offense Wojo ultimately wants to run. I think so far what we've seen is him trying to make due as best he can with the hand that's been dealt.
Look who he is recruiting. Anything resembling the type of guard that BCHoopster is talking about? Seems to me that he is more interested in players like Duane or Carlino, who turn the ball over a bit, but also can put the ball in the basket.
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Look who he is recruiting. Anything resembling the type of guard that BCHoopster is talking about? Seems to me that he is more interested in players like Duane or Carlino, who turn the ball over a bit, but also can put the ball in the basket.
Quentin Gooden, Cassius Winston and Bryant Crawford all seem to fit the traditional point guard mold.
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Quentin Gooden, Cassius Winston and Bryant Crawford all seem to fit the traditional point guard mold.
I actually don't think that is the case with any of them. All three are big time scorers.
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Look who he is recruiting. Anything resembling the type of guard that BCHoopster is talking about? Seems to me that he is more interested in players like Duane or Carlino, who turn the ball over a bit, but also can put the ball in the basket.
reading wojo's comments...i don't think he's at all interested in his pg turning the ball over. i think he realizes what he has/doesn't have this year, but it seems like he wants someone at the point who will limit turnovers. not to say he doesn't run a system in which the pg doesn't have freedom to attack the rim and create, but there were numerous times where he mentioned that players weren't seeing minutes because they turn the ball over. he flat out said dawson wouldn't see the court till he valued the ball and stopped turning it over in practice.
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reading wojo's comments...i don't think he's at all interested in his pg turning the ball over. i think he realizes what he has/doesn't have this year, but it seems like he wants someone at the point who will limit turnovers. not to say he doesn't run a system in which the pg doesn't have freedom to attack the rim and create, but there were numerous times where he mentioned that players weren't seeing minutes because they turn the ball over. he flat out said dawson wouldn't see the court till he valued the ball and stopped turning it over in practice.
...as well as that JD needed to stay in front of his man on defense.
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I actually don't think that is the case with any of them. All three are big time scorers.
Nearly every high-major prospect is a big-time scorer in high school. Derrick Wilson averaged 20 ppg his final two years in the prep ranks.
Everything I've read about the three players indicates that in addition to prototypical PG size (6' to 6'2"), they all excel as ball handlers and distributors.
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In all honesty if we are looking for a pure point guard, one who can push the ball in transition, one who can create for himself and others, then you don't need to look out of our backyard as Brandon Key from West Allus Central would and could succeed here. He might not be rated as highly as some others that were targeting, but believe me the kid can play and would be a great point guard for us if given the opportunity.
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In the end though it's clear Duane is best suited as a 2 which is why I won't concern myself too much this year with every aspect of his game as I just want to see him improve his scoring versatility. I also wouldn't be so surprised to see a NN/Duane backcourt early next season since they'll have a safety blanket of Fischer/Ellenson down low to ease the pressure.
This brings up an interesting question and would like to see others' opinions.
I write this concerning Duane Wilson. Duane obviously has athleticism and basketball skills. If he is to succeed at the next level, it would have to be as a PG. 6'1" SGs are extinct in the NBA.
So, what is a coaches responsibility in cases like this? Is it strictly about winning games even if it means leaving Duane as a SG for 4 years or is it about helping develop players for their future careers, which would mean letting Duane work and develop as a PG?
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In all honesty if we are looking for a pure point guard, one who can push the ball in transition, one who can create for himself and others, then you don't need to look out of our backyard as Brandon Key from West Allus Central would and could succeed here. He might not be rated as highly as some others that were targeting, but believe me the kid can play and would be a great point guard for us if given the opportunity.
Mr. Key, I presume? I have never heard Brandon's name associated with Marquette. I think his size might deter some high majors. 5"9 is very short, even for the PG position
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Mr. Key, I presume? I have never heard Brandon's name associated with Marquette. I think his size might deter some high majors. 5"9 is very short, even for the PG position
Agreed. If you're under 6' these days in high-major hoops, you not only need to be a five-tool player, you have to be exceptional from range and have a vertical close to 40". Speed and awareness certainly help and ability to push in transition is great, but this is still a half-court game where defense is key (no pun intended). A PG at 5'9" has a lot to overcome in order to not be a liability on defense.
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Guys I can tell you regardless of what espn might have Brandon listed as, that he is legit 5'11, close to 6 ft. Besides I think sometimes we get hung up on a guys height for a position. What I can tell you is that this kid is a high major player that someone is going to be lucky to get. Bottom line is that he knows how to play, and would be great in a backcourt with Duane, JJJ, NN. Certain guys should not be judged because of their height and this is one of them. He is a tough nosed kid who would not turn the ball over, and a kid who teams who not be able to press us. He would make everyone better. Also he can hit shots at a high enough clip to keep a defense honest, something that we don't have with Derrick. I am not saying we are in on him, I'm just saying he is going to make some program happy and if given the chance would be a great addition to us.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Brandon-Key-140175
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Thanks NYG for showing at least his correct height. Also regardless that it just has UWM down, he is a high major player.
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Is Branon related to Damon at all?
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Nearly every high-major prospect is a big-time scorer in high school. Derrick Wilson averaged 20 ppg his final two years in the prep ranks.
Everything I've read about the three players indicates that in addition to prototypical PG size (6' to 6'2"), they all excel as ball handlers and distributors.
Sounds like Duane Wilson.
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Brandon Key is no relation to Damon. Damon's son is Jaylen Key who is a fine player himself committed to Northern Illinois.
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If they measured him at 6' with that do, he's 5'10". Not biased against little guys but I do have flashbacks of that OT loss on Senior Day to Syracuse with Mo getting abused repeatedly, especially on OOB plays.
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If they measured him at 6' with that do, he's 5'10". Not biased against little guys but I do have flashbacks of that OT loss on Senior Day to Syracuse with Mo getting abused repeatedly, especially on OOB plays.
Mo was listed at 5'8", but was more like 5'6".... ;) Buzz called him a midget.
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If they measured him at 6' with that do, he's 5'10". Not biased against little guys but I do have flashbacks of that OT loss on Senior Day to Syracuse with Mo getting abused repeatedly, especially on OOB plays.
Or being at Allstate Arena and watching Dayton's Chris Wright tea-bagging poor Mo on a monster dunk. Brutal. >:(
p.s. Mo should have filed sexual assault charges.
Update: forgot, that was Sears Centre
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Have you seen the PG on Illinois who transferred from Oregon St? Dude is probably 5'5
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Or being at Allstate Arena and Dayton's Chris Wright tea-bagging poor Mo on a monster dunk. Brutal. >:(
The most painful part of that was the irony that the Chevy Cavalier is better suited to a guy of Mo's height.
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This brings up an interesting question and would like to see others' opinions.
I write this concerning Duane Wilson. Duane obviously has athleticism and basketball skills. If he is to succeed at the next level, it would have to be as a PG. 6'1" SGs are extinct in the NBA.
So, what is a coaches responsibility in cases like this? Is it strictly about winning games even if it means leaving Duane as a SG for 4 years or is it about helping develop players for their future careers, which would mean letting Duane work and develop as a PG?
A coach's first responsibility is to the team. It's why Jimmy and Jae played 4, why Lazar played a lot of 5, etc. If you are good enough, the NBA will find you and work with you. The NBA wants talent and potential, and it doesn't hurt for a player to have shown a selfless, team-first attitude.
Secondly, it is a coach's job to give each player the best chance to succeed, again within the framework of the team. So even if a player might eventually project to being a 3 because of his size or whatever, but he functions best in college as a 4 and it helps the team most with him at 4, the coach should primarily play him at 4.
Thirdly, a coach should keep his eye on his team's future needs. Using Duane as an example, Wojo might decide Duane is his future PG -- or at least he might be -- so he might want to find spots to use him there this season. And I believe Wojo is doing just that. I coach middle school and I have a good PG and a decent backup, but both are 8th-graders. So when the game allows it (blowouts or whatever), I sometimes put a 7th-grader or 6th-grader at the 1 so they get the feel of game situations that can't be replicated in practice. Or sometimes I'll put one of the younger kids at PG alongside one of the 8th-graders, who will be the 2 but will be there to help the 1 if she gets in trouble.
Having said all that, I do think a smart coach at least occasionally will give an NBA prospect a chance to play his projected NBA position. Recruits are always watching, so to be able to tell them this is part of a coach's overall plan is simple good marketing.
All IMHO, of course.
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Any update as to what Wojo is thinking with his final three scholarships?
C - Fischer, Heldt
PF - H. Ellenson, Taylor
SF / SG - Johnson, Cohen, Cheatham, W. Ellenson
PG - Wilson, Noskowiak
A big and PG would be welcome. I think Henry will ultimately play quite a bit SF, so another guy to play PF would be great. In my mind, Taylor is done (hope I am wrong there, and next year is a new year for him). Jameel McKay would sure look good.
Any updates on targets?
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Any update as to what Wojo is thinking with his final three scholarships?
C - Fischer, Heldt
PF - H. Ellenson, Taylor
SF / SG - Johnson, Cohen, Cheatham, W. Ellenson
PG - Wilson, Noskowiak
A big and PG would be welcome. I think Henry will ultimately play quite a bit SF, so another guy to play PF would be great. In my mind, Taylor is done (hope I am wrong there, and next year is a new year for him). Jameel McKay would sure look good.
Any updates on targets?
McKay would have used up his eligibility by next year. Biggest need is a true PG along with an athletic forward.
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Looking at a few HS wings, and JUCO PG/PF.
First priority has to be a PG, I think.
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McKay would have used up his eligibility by next year. Biggest need is a true PG along with an athletic forward.
Ahh, that's right. For some reason I was thinking he only played 1 year of juco. I was wrong.
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Any update as to what Wojo is thinking with his final three scholarships?
C - Fischer, Heldt
PF - H. Ellenson, Taylor
SF / SG - Johnson, Cohen, Cheatham, W. Ellenson
PG - Wilson, Noskowiak
A big and PG would be welcome. I think Henry will ultimately play quite a bit SF, so another guy to play PF would be great. In my mind, Taylor is done (hope I am wrong there, and next year is a new year for him). Jameel McKay would sure look good.
Any updates on targets?
Hopefully, someone who can shoot from 10-15 feet from the hoop.
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I talked to my manager buddy over break about who maybe Wojo was looking at for scholies (back when I was dying for us to snag Semi Ojeleye.....and break had just started.....those were some good days....) and he told me the staff really likes Haanif Cheatham at the point.
A guy at 6'5 who is great/comfortable with the ball in his hands running an offense and has also shown that he can also score at will is a HUGE weapon to have for a team. I'm kinda surprised more people haven't thought that we may already have snagged that PG. I know true frosh PGs can be dangerous (well, unless you're Tyler Ulis), but in Wojo's offense there doesn't seem to be a true PG. Just a lot of guys who can handle the ball while working it around. I could definitely see a lineup where Duane and Haanif are the primary ball handlers with a JJJ rounding out the 3rd guard spot and Henry and Fischer in the front court.
Maybe that's why Wojo seems to be focusing on guys like Ricky Council and Sacar Anim, who aren't true points.
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Right now he may be our best choice. However, keep in mind that Cohen was ranked higher than Haanif currently is, so we should not expect to much out of him as a freshmen.
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A guy at 6'5 who is great/comfortable with the ball in his hands running an offense and has also shown that he can also score at will is a HUGE weapon to have for a team. I'm kinda surprised more people haven't thought that we may already have snagged that PG. I know true frosh PGs can be dangerous (well, unless you're Tyler Ulis), but in Wojo's offense there doesn't seem to be a true PG. Just a lot of guys who can handle the ball while working it around. I could definitely see a lineup where Duane and Haanif are the primary ball handlers with a JJJ rounding out the 3rd guard spot and Henry and Fischer in the front court.
Maybe that's why Wojo seems to be focusing on guys like Ricky Council and Sacar Anim, who aren't true points.
Sultan has mentioned this before but I think Wojo does not view the point guard position like a lot of people expect on this board. Whether that is right or wrong we will see. But I would not expect your typical point guard getting the majority of the minutes next year.
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Right now he may be our best choice. However, keep in mind that Cohen was ranked higher than Haanif currently is, so we should not expect to much out of him as a freshmen.
True but Haanif has been kinda a late riser hasn't he?
And a lot of things depend on positions and what the player brings. Haanif and Sandy are not the same types of players so he could be relied on/expected of more.
Heck look at Nate Mason for the gophers this year. Guy wasn't even an 80 grade on ESPN and hes killin it.
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Right now he may be our best choice. However, keep in mind that Cohen was ranked higher than Haanif currently is, so we should not expect to much out of him as a freshmen.
Rankings cut both ways. Some are better, some are not.
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And I'm kind of thinking that 3 won't become 4. I'd be very surprised if any of the current 5 returning players decided to move on. There's 2 Senior guards graduating meaning both Duane and JJJ move up. Sandy certainly can gain minutes based on his performance and Juan's departure. Luke already transferred largely to get closer to home. And Steve will be one year away from his valuable Marquette diploma.
If I had to guess, Wojo has plans emerging (at least in term of player type) for two holding the third in reserve for 'best available' transfer.
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And I'm kind of thinking that 3 won't become 4.
If I had to guess, Wojo has plans emerging (at least in term of player type) for two holding the third in reserve for 'best available' transfer.
On the first point, my only concern about another opening is with Noskowiak. But, at this point the plan is for him to be here. Here's hoping he gets through this and matriculates at Marquette.
Agree on the second point, although he might bank it for 2016 as well.
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True but Haanif has been kinda a late riser hasn't he?
And a lot of things depend on positions and what the player brings. Haanif and Sandy are not the same types of players so he could be relied on/expected of more.
Heck look at Nate Mason for the gophers this year. Guy wasn't even an 80 grade on ESPN and hes killin it.
Haanif is also known for playing really, really good defense--an area that usually keeps Cohen off of the floor. I expect Haanif to see some decent time on the floor next year.
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On the first point, my only concern about another opening is with Noskowiak. But, at this point the plan is for him to be here.
My hope as well. I hadn't considered the incoming recruits. Hoping Nick is doing well. While this would be pure speculation and probably a conversation for some months down the road, I wonder if Nick might be a great candidate for a Frosh red shirt? Get with the guys for a year, get comfortable at school, that sort of thing. On the other hand, he simply might want to jump right back in when he's feeling a little stronger. Whatever works for Nick is fine by me. I'm looking forward to him being a Warrior.
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And I'm kind of thinking that 3 won't become 4. I'd be very surprised if any of the current 5 returning players decided to move on. There's 2 Senior guards graduating meaning both Duane and JJJ move up. Sandy certainly can gain minutes based on his performance and Juan's departure. Luke already transferred largely to get closer to home. And Steve will be one year away from his valuable Marquette diploma.
If I had to guess, Wojo has plans emerging (at least in term of player type) for two holding the third in reserve for 'best available' transfer.
The only two who I think would consider a transfer would be JjJ and Steve. I could see Henry and Haanif eating up their playing time, especially if we also bring in some jucos or graduate transfers. But this is just baseless speculation. At this point, I think we are likely to see all the players return.
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The only two who I think would consider a transfer would be JjJ and Steve. I could see Henry and Haanif eating up their playing time, especially if we also bring in some jucos or graduate transfers. But this is just baseless speculation. At this point, I think we are likely to see all the players return.
I don't see anyone leaving. There will be plenty of minutes available next year since our 3 graduating players are averaging 96 of the 200 available minutes. Steve will be a senior and has already seen a significant cut in minutes since Luke became eligible (29 to 18). JJJ has seen a slight uptick by about 2 a game since Luke. Plus there is no guarantee the freshmen will be good enough, besides Henry, that they will take minutes right away.
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First of all, I hope Nick is well and joins the team this Summer. Contrary, to a previous comment, I like Sandy Cohen's defense. He is quick to make steals and deflect passes. He can run the fast break. He and Carlino are the two best shooters on the team. Sandy will be. Key player on next year's team. I have confidence in Coach Wojo that he will recruit players that will fit in and balance the team.
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First of all, I hope Nick is well and joins the team this Summer. Contrary, to a previous comment, I like Sandy Cohen's defense. He is quick to make steals and deflect passes. He can run the fast break. He and Carlino are the two best shooters on the team. Sandy will be. Key player on next year's team. I have confidence in Coach Wojo that he will recruit players that will fit in and balance the team.
The key for Sandy is to improve his release. Right now it takes too long for his release. Hopefully the staff can work in today in the off-season. He's used to playing man and I think he's had to adjust more to zone than some of the others. I also really like the look of him going forward.
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Because of the transfers, because of the uncertainty surrounding Nick, Buzz's adage of 'never stop recruiting' seems more appropriate and ever. I hope that Wojo had back up plans for the additional openings.
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Right now it takes too long for his release.
Yuck.
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Yuck.
I LOLed ;D
On topic...I think we add at most one freshman with the open scholarships. I could see as many as two JUCOs, a wing and a point seem most likely, or a transfer. The question regarding any D1 transfer is whether we'll look at someone who will have immediate eligibility or someone who will have to sit a year.
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Bump. Now it's freakin' 4! :o
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Can't have one recruiting class stay intact in 5 years, really wonder about stability in the future!
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Holy crap, Wojo can land a second class in his first year!
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How many of these can we realistically expect to be pushed to 2016? My guess is 1 HS, 1 juco, 1 transfer (hopefully of the graduate variety) and 1 pushed to 2016. It's gonna interesting.
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I LOLed ;D
On topic...I think we add at most one freshman with the open scholarships. I could see as many as two JUCOs, a wing and a point seem most likely, or a transfer. The question regarding any D1 transfer is whether we'll look at someone who will have immediate eligibility or someone who will have to sit a year.
And where will all these studs come from? Let's face it, Wojo may be a good recruiter, but most of the studs are gone. Don't know about JUCO's and have nothing against JUCO's but where will we get talent to fill 3 or 4 openings.
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This brings up an interesting question and would like to see others' opinions.
I write this concerning Duane Wilson. Duane obviously has athleticism and basketball skills. If he is to succeed at the next level, it would have to be as a PG. 6'1" SGs are extinct in the NBA.
So, what is a coaches responsibility in cases like this? Is it strictly about winning games even if it means leaving Duane as a SG for 4 years or is it about helping develop players for their future careers, which would mean letting Duane work and develop as a PG?
That has been debated here--even a poll taken. 66% believe Derrick should be our point. Others believe that Duane should be given time there to see how he does. Well, he had a 1.5 minute stint recently and now most think he looked lousy. It seems logical that he be given some time there this year, but the Derrick love permeates everywhere.
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And where will all these studs come from? Let's face it, Wojo may be a good recruiter, but most of the studs are gone. Don't know about JUCO's and have nothing against JUCO's but where will we get talent to fill 3 or 4 openings.
Traci Carter is still out there. He is a high level talent at point guard. An injury set him back so he's the classic late bloomer type. I'm not optimistic we'll get him, but he would be a huge late get. Anim is another talent. Smart player, great at driving and defense, and the one weakness, his shot from range, seems to be improving. I do think he'll commit to Marquette, possibly as soon as next week.
But for instant impact, it has to be JUCO or grad transfers. Dequon Miller and Travis Outlaw are two guys Marquette has shown interest in that could make an immediate impact. Then there will always be transfers.
You can go negative nellie if you prefer, but there are a lot of good unsigned players out there. While the freshman crop isn't what it was, the job of the staff is to find talent wherever it may be. Will they be as good as Buzz at landing late studs? We'll see, but don't forget Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, Davante Gardner, Trent Lockett, and Matt Carlino were all added at this point or later in the recruiting cycle. Certainly not time to panic just yet.
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Traci Carter is still out there. He is a high level talent at point guard. An injury set him back so he's the classic late bloomer type. I'm not optimistic we'll get him, but he would be a huge late get. Anim is another talent. Smart player, great at driving and defense, and the one weakness, his shot from range, seems to be improving. I do think he'll commit to Marquette, possibly as soon as next week.
But for instant impact, it has to be JUCO or grad transfers. Dequon Miller and Travis Outlaw are two guys Marquette has shown interest in that could make an immediate impact. Then there will always be transfers.
You can go negative nellie if you prefer, but there are a lot of good unsigned players out there. While the freshman crop isn't what it was, the job of the staff is to find talent wherever it may be. Will they be as good as Buzz at landing late studs? We'll see, but don't forget Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, Davante Gardner, Trent Lockett, and Matt Carlino were all added at this point or later in the recruiting cycle. Certainly not time to panic just yet.
...and Butler does well with their unheralded recruits.
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...and Butler does well with their unheralded recruits.
Some years....certainly not last year.
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Haanif is also known for playing really, really good defense
So was JJJ.
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I think and hope that Sacar Anim will commit on his visit next week
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Traci Carter is still out there. He is a high level talent at point guard. An injury set him back so he's the classic late bloomer type. I'm not optimistic we'll get him, but he would be a huge late get. Anim is another talent. Smart player, great at driving and defense, and the one weakness, his shot from range, seems to be improving. I do think he'll commit to Marquette, possibly as soon as next week.
But for instant impact, it has to be JUCO or grad transfers. Dequon Miller and Travis Outlaw are two guys Marquette has shown interest in that could make an immediate impact. Then there will always be transfers.
You can go negative nellie if you prefer, but there are a lot of good unsigned players out there. While the freshman crop isn't what it was, the job of the staff is to find talent wherever it may be. Will they be as good as Buzz at landing late studs? We'll see, but don't forget Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, Davante Gardner, Trent Lockett, and Matt Carlino were all added at this point or later in the recruiting cycle. Certainly not time to panic just yet.
We're back to 3! And I'd like to give props to Brew. What he wrote 10 days back is spot on. If our 4 schollys wind up being the 4 exact guys he mentioned......
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We're back to 3! And I'd like to give props to Brew. What he wrote 10 days back is spot on. If our 4 schollys wind up being the 4 exact guys he mentioned......
Wojo hasn't signed anyone new yet? What sort of crock is this?
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Wojo hasn't signed anyone new yet? What sort of crock is this?
Huh? He signed Anim. And the last sentence begins with the word IF. I'm simply saying that Brew had a pretty good picture on things at the beginning of the month. Have a nice day.
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Huh? He signed Anim. And the last sentence begins with the word IF. I'm simply saying that Brew had a pretty good picture on things at the beginning of the month. Have a nice day.
Sorry, that should have been in teal.
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Huh? He signed Anim. And the last sentence begins with the word IF. I'm simply saying that Brew had a pretty good picture on things at the beginning of the month. Have a nice day.
To pull a JayBee, "liar". Singing day is in April, a'nia?
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To pull a JayBee, "liar". Singing day is in April, a'nia?
;D
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Traci Carter looks like a nice prospect, we actually have a fair chance of landing him, with our staff of guards
and being in the BIGE He said he wants to play right away, hand him the keys and let him grow.
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I have to believe he's Wojo's top target now. Then add a wide body rebound magnet that plays just like Jae did as a Junior and we'll be formidable.
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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel 4h4 hours ago
Carter, a 6-1 pg, will visit Xavier and then MU. UConn, Miss., Memphis, Temple also in mix.
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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel 4h4 hours ago
MU coach Steve Wojciechowski expected to visit today with NJ prep standout Traci Carter.
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I have to believe he's Wojo's top target now. Then add a wide body rebound magnet that plays just like Jae did as a Junior and we'll be formidable.
Wojo and staff are searching high and low for a PG, or even 2 PGs. Traci Carter is the top player in that search
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We're back to 3! And I'd like to give props to Brew. What he wrote 10 days back is spot on. If our 4 schollys wind up being the 4 exact guys he mentioned......
Thanks, js! Will be interesting to see what happens with these last scholarships. Carter does seem to be the top target, but probably won't decide for another month or more if he takes all his visits. If we get Carter, we have two scholarships left.
Will Wojo opt to pursue any more high school kids? Dillard and LoVett seem to be out. Would Wojo still go after a scorer like O'Field or Outlaw, or perhaps renew interest in Tyson Jolly? I always got the sense Jolly was out after Anim committed.
I still think a PG (even if we get Carter) and rebounder would be the biggest needs. The problem is if we don't make a serious run at JUCOs sooner rather than later, we'll miss out on the best ones (many are already gone) and have to rely on grad transfers for immediate impact. Hoping to get even 1 grad transfer that can play at the level of a Carlino or Lockett is asking a lot, hoping for 2 seems like you may as well ask for the moon.
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Thanks, js! Will be interesting to see what happens with these last scholarships. Carter does seem to be the top target, but probably won't decide for another month or more if he takes all his visits. If we get Carter, we have two scholarships left.
Will Wojo opt to pursue any more high school kids? Dillard and LoVett seem to be out. Would Wojo still go after a scorer like O'Field or Outlaw, or perhaps renew interest in Tyson Jolly? I always got the sense Jolly was out after Anim committed.
I still think a PG (even if we get Carter) and rebounder would be the biggest needs. The problem is if we don't make a serious run at JUCOs sooner rather than later, we'll miss out on the best ones (many are already gone) and have to rely on grad transfers for immediate impact. Hoping to get even 1 grad transfer that can play at the level of a Carlino or Lockett is asking a lot, hoping for 2 seems like you may as well ask for the moon.
Coach K probably told Wojo which ones will be moving on
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Interesting comments by onepost that Wojo seemingly hoping to avoid Juco route. So if he gets Traci maybe he'll fill out with a traditional transfer and a grad if he can find one. Personally I'd still like a rebounding big for one of the last two slots.
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It don't matter to me if they're traditional or brothers, hey?
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It don't matter to me if they're traditional or brothers, hey?
Don't quit your day job 4ever.
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Don't quit your day job 4ever.
Wait...scooping isn't a day job?
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I can't keep up. Is it 3? 4? Perhaps 8 because 5 HS kids have signed LOIs.
Oh yeah, they can leave too if they choose.
WTF. >:(
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I can't keep up. Is it 3? 4? Perhaps 8 because 5 HS kids have signed LOIs.
Oh yeah, they can leave too if they choose.
WTF. >:(
Back to 3...assuming all 5 freshman arrive on campus.
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I can't keep up. Is it 3? 4? Perhaps 8 because 5 HS kids have signed LOIs.
Oh yeah, they can leave too if they choose.
WTF. >:(
WTF is right? You are usually so touchy feely about everything Marquette--WTF?
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I can't keep up. Is it 3? 4? Perhaps 8 because 5 HS kids have signed LOIs.
Oh yeah, they can leave too if they choose.
WTF. >:(
Are you going through some sort of identity crisis right now?
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Right now he may be our best choice. However, keep in mind that Cohen was ranked higher than Haanif currently is, so we should not expect to much out of him as a freshmen.
I would pretty much guarantee Haanif played against much better competition in high school than Sandy Cohen.
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Right now he may be our best choice. However, keep in mind that Cohen was ranked higher than Haanif currently is, so we should not expect to much out of him as a freshmen.
First, I think the 'ranked higher than HC currently is' is false.
Second, based on the type of players they are and tendencies, Haanif is further along in terms of ready-to-contributability (new word).
Player X is ranked higher than Player Y on site Z. Therefore, we can't expect anything different or better out of Player Y is flawed thinking.
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After watching a few games in the tournament, it's obvious that we need to load up with players. Let each year play out. Recruit to the maximum with plenty of bigs and shooters.
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Back to 3...assuming all 5 freshman arrive on campus.
As I posted in another thread--the way things are going, we need an atomic calculator to keep track of the schollies. The guy who does the Scholarship table can't even keep up.
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As I posted in another thread--the way things are going, we need an atomic calculator to keep track of the schollies. The guy who does the Scholarship table can't even keep up.
I hardly ever keep up...but this year is more difficult than usual.
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I hardly ever keep up...but this year is more difficult than usual.
Then get the atomic calculator. You will need it.
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Coach, please recruit the toughest, most dominating players possible who can score at will.
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And do it yesterday cuz Jsglow won't stand for it anymore!