Oso planning to go pro
When Harris or Biden said they wouldn’t take the “Trump Vaccine” what exactly do you think they meant? There was never going to be a “Trump Vaccine”. No vaccine was going to be developed, approved and distributed by Trump. Development, approval and distribution were about drug companies and the FDA - whether Trump or Biden was President mattered not at all. What if Pfizer and Moderna had announced a month earlier? And the FDA set their approval date at Nov 1? And if Fauci gave his blessing? That was the scenario that would have resulted in what Harris and Biden were falsely calling the Trump Vaccine. And had that been the timeline, Because of the election they would have gone after the FDA and Fauci - because any vaccine that stood in the way of their election had to be so characterized. They admitted as much in their statements.
For month Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and their supporters banged the drum: “Don’t trust the vaccine that’s coming! It’s the ‘Trump Vaccine’ - it is political, not based in science! I wouldn’t take it, it’s too dangerous!!Now that the election is over, of course they’re changing the tune. The damage to public confidence, though, has been done. As Reverend Wright was fond of saying, “The chickens have come home to roost!”
Pretty sure Biden is going to join Clinton, Bush, and Obama and publicly get the vaccine, if Fauci says it safe. Oh, poor Lenny.Lenny, I have so much respect for you. Please don't turn into one of those people who post links that say the opposite of what you claim thinking you are making a point. A la, Chicos, Warriordad, PA2, Guru.
2. I think almost to a man we respect Lenny on this board. A quality poster for a long time. But like all of us have done on more than one occasion, he made a dumb post and took flak for it. No harm / no foul.
Great. How incompetent.https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/07/world/covid-19-coronavirus?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes#trump-administration-officials-passed-when-pfizer-offered-in-late-summer-to-sell-the-us-more-vaccine-doses
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/22/biden-challenge-vaccine-messaging/Here’s another. Biden, Harris, et al absolutely cast doubts on any vaccine developed under Trump’s watch. Of course (duh) they’ve walked back their knowingly false statements made during the campaign. But to say those statements had no consequences is purely partisan.
I'm going to try to keep this simple. The bolded would violate the FDA and independent advisory board requirement of 2-months of data. Pfizer/Moderna said they were going to follow the FDA and independent advisory board requirements. So there was no situation where Pfizer and Moderna would announce earlier with Fauci's approval.But...Trump tried to circumvent that to reach his "promised timeline," and called the FDA and independent advisory board's requirements a "political move" by the "deep-state" trying to hurt his re-election.Biden and Harris said if Trump did so (e.g. Trump's vaccine), they wouldn't trust it, as they shouldn't because the safety profile wouldn't have been vetted yet. This article provides context. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/519841-fda-asking-covid-19-vaccine-developers-for-safety-data-likely-pushing
ForgetfulI very much respect your knowledge in the these matters, but (IMO) when Kamala Harris says, “If Donald Trump says take the vaccine, I ain’t takin’ it” (direct quote) she’s being disingenuous and undermining faith in a vaccine developed while Trump is president. She (and everybody else) knows that a vaccine can’t be approved without the drug companies, FDA, etc. putting their stamp of approval on it. It’s not like we’d get a vaccine based on Trump’s senseless ramblings (hydroxy, bleach, etc.). It’ll only be available when it’s proven safe and effective, regardless of who is President. Suggesting a scenario under which an unsafe, ineffective vaccine would be available because the Donald wanted it that way was (IMO) bullish!t. And she knew that. On all of this, I guess we’ll agree to disagree. Thanks for the kinds words. Thanks, too, to Tower, Goooo, Jockey and 82 (and anyone else I’m missing). Sticking up for me even when you think I’ve driven off the rails is kind and very much appreciated.
Great to hear the Pfizer vaccine can confer some protection after the first dose. I just hope that doesn't lead to large numbers skipping the second dose, assuming they're all protected.
Its a shame that the WH turned down buying more of these vaccines to ensure American's got it first. Now, Europe is already being vaccinated by the Pfizer vaccine, while there will be shortages in the US.
Yep. I have long believed that it will likely be late spring or early summer before vaccines are widely available to the general public. And even that may be optimistic if the federal government doesn't wake up and provide resources for distribution and administration.OWS was a good and necessary thing, but the execution seems questionable. If they were only going to choose to support and purchase from one mRNA vaccine manufacturer, it makes no sense to choose an unproven company like Moderna over a company with a long and successful track record like Pfizer.
So you are quadrupling down on this? Are you trying to out-stupid your "BLM is Marxist" statements over the summer?