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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on July 22, 2019, 10:19:54 PM
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2020 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19
47. Markus Howard
https://www.nbadraft.net/2020mock_draft
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2019 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19
I’m thinking this isn’t a 2019
mock draft..
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I’m thinking this isn’t a 2019
mock draft..
Wow I was having a bad day yesterday. Correction noted.
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Obviously there is no correlation beyond dna but you have to think the performance of Markus’s brother in the NBA summer league may just boost the prospects of NBA GMs to give Markus a shot
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2020 NBA Mock Draft as of December 6,2019
44. Markus Howard
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
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They haven't figured out yet that Cole Anthony is on UNC!?!
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Obviously there is no correlation beyond dna but you have to think the performance of Markus’s brother in the NBA summer league may just boost the prospects of NBA GMs to give Markus a shot
His shooting ability boosts his prospects.
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His shooting ability boosts his prospects.
I mean sure the guy is elite at basketball, but that's surely not the only reason he'll get drafted.
Honestly, he's going to get drafted, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a flier earlier than you'd think. He has an elite skill, and that's worth a chance that there's some untapped potential there once he's around NBA caliber players
I don't think there is - I think he'll be a niche player that carves out a nice career in that niche - but the talent pool is so shallow in the draft that teams will shoot their shot at the faintest hint of untapped upside
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I mean sure the guy is elite at basketball, but that's surely not the only reason he'll get drafted.
Honestly, he's going to get drafted, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a flier earlier than you'd think. He has an elite skill, and that's worth a chance that there's some untapped potential there once he's around NBA caliber players
I don't think there is - I think he'll be a niche player that carves out a nice career in that niche - but the talent pool is so shallow in the draft that teams will shoot their shot at the faintest hint of untapped upside
In the exact opposite camp. His shooting skill is not something that's unheard of in the NBA. He's undersized severely in the college game. When the shooting guards are all 6'6 its going to be very rough for him.
He gets drafted in the mid 50s or gets a summer invite.
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goats don't look good wit Spalding plastered on his coconut. Wishin' 'im well, hey?
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2020 Mock Draft as of 12/12/19
38. Markus Howard
I believe this is the highest Markus has been in this Mock Draft.
Notables:
44. Tre Jones
51. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell
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In the exact opposite camp. His shooting skill is not something that's unheard of in the NBA. He's undersized severely in the college game. When the shooting guards are all 6'6 its going to be very rough for him.
He gets drafted in the mid 50s or gets a summer invite.
IDK when he'll get drafted but what you said in spades. Markus struggles against rangy, tall, quick defenders. The NBA has too many to count. Now he will get the benefit of being a guy any GM will know will happily fill his 11th-12th man role without so much as a peep and will work his tail off every day to contribute in any way the coach sees fit.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league. I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league. I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.
Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?
There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.
MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
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Mid 2nd round.
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Random question, has a college POY ever gone undrafted?
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Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?
There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.
MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
You must not watch the NBA.
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Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?
There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.
MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
#watchesthebucksnever ::)
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Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league. I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.
I agree that he might prefer to play in Europe. I think you and I agree that his top end in the NBA is as a bench specialist.
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Random question, has a college POY ever gone undrafted?
Not a Naismith winner, and the broad majority have been first round picks. That said, both Frank Mason & Jalen Brunson were recent winners & went early in the second.
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MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
What does this mean...he will be FINE if he makes the league?
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You must not watch the NBA.
i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line.
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i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line.
I'm going to agree with wades and say you also must not watch the NBA.
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i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line.
Lol
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I watch only the bucks. They play D. I guess.
The rest of the league. I’m unimpressed.
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To say " The Bucks play defense .....I guess" is so under rating the Bucks that it's almost laughable.
When you are playing defense against the skill and athleticism of NBA players you can do everything right and guys will still score a high percentage of the time.
Anybody who thinks the defense in college is better then the NBA is out of their friggin mind.
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#watchesthebucksnever ::)
Ok, so the Bucks on D but flip the argument around. How many times does Giannis suck every single player on the other team into the lane and every single other Buck is wide open on the perimeter. I can see both sides of it. Certainly I agree defenders are much better and way longer in the NBA but Markus as a stand still spot up shooter would be deadly.
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To say " The Bucks play defense .....I guess" is so under rating the Bucks that it's almost laughable.
When you are playing defense against the skill and athleticism of NBA players you can do everything right and guys will still score a high percentage of the time.
Anybody who thinks the defense in college is better then the NBA is out of their friggin mind.
Yup.
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2020 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19
47. Markus Howard
https://www.nbadraft.net/2020mock_draft
I think Markus is great but he will go undrafted. I would be surprised if he is on an roster during the season and will likely play in Europe.
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For better or worse....I think we will see more Rowsey like deeeeep 3s to give scouts something more to think about.
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The rest of the league. I’m unimpressed.
How do you know if you hardly ever watch NBA basketball?
But back on topic ...
An NBA team might be interested in a guy who can spread the court as a spot-up 3 shooter. Markus is only 2 inches shorter than the rail-thin Davante Graham, who is surprisingly lighting it up for the Hornets this season. Could be Craig Hodges 2.0.
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I think Markus is great but he will go undrafted. I would be surprised if he is on an roster during the season and will likely play in Europe.
He will get drafted and will be in the NBA next season
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Only first team all American to go undrafted was Novas Scottie Reynolds
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I see this as a Tim Tebow situation. Great college player and that’s where it ends.
Although, I think Tebow was a winner. He did well with the Broncos.
Not saying Markus isn’t a winner, but we’ve seen the evidence time and time again. Put a 6’3 guard or taller on Markus and he’s just not as effective.
Hope I’m wrong
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I see this as a Tim Tebow situation. Great college player and that’s where it ends.
Although, I think Tebow was a winner. He did well with the Broncos.
Not saying Markus isn’t a winner, but we’ve seen the evidence time and time again. Put a 6’3 guard or taller on Markus and he’s just not as effective.
Hope I’m wrong
Tebow lucked into a few wins with the Broncos. Elway was so impressed that he couldn't wait to get rid of him. And other NFL GMs/coaches were so impressed that Tebow was out of the league shortly thereafter. Great college QB, though.
USC, Davidson, K-State (last season) and Buffalo -- among others -- all put taller, athletic guards on Markus.
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For better or worse....I think we will see more Rowsey like deeeeep 3s to give scouts something more to think about.
That's fine if he is open and he makes > 40% of them.
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How do you know if you hardly ever watch NBA basketball?
But back on topic ...
An NBA team might be interested in a guy who can spread the court as a spot-up 3 shooter. Markus is only 2 inches shorter than the rail-thin Davante Graham, who is surprisingly lighting it up for the Hornets this season. Could be Craig Hodges 2.0.
I see no conflict between the following two statements:
The only team I watch is the Bucks and they play good defense.
82 games a year I watch other teams attempt to play defense against Giannis and the Bucks and look terrible. Therefore, all other teams I've seen play poor defense.
Not saying it is accurate, but if the first statement is true then it could lead to a reasonable belief in the second.
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I see no conflict between the following two statements:
The only team I watch is the Bucks and they play good defense.
82 games a year I watch other teams attempt to play defense against Giannis and the Bucks and look terrible. Therefore, all other teams I've seen play poor defense.
Not saying it is accurate, but if the first statement is true then it could lead to a reasonable belief in the second.
Fair.
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Somebody will draft Howard in the 2nd round.
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Somebody will draft Howard in the 2nd round.
I agree. Great character, and an elite shooting skill. If he's 6'3" he's a lottery pick. I'd personally like to see him land with the Bucks - think he'd thrive in their offense with all the focus on Giannis and their floor spacing with great shooters around the floor.
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I'm going to agree with wades and say you also must not watch the NBA.
i do watch quite a bit of nba. more than you guys? who knows. college focuses A LOT more on defense than the nba, right? we just had quite a few posts with people chuckling when defense and nba are mentioned in the same sentence? so if we agree that the defenses are tighter in college than the nba, how can you come to the conclusion that the 3 is guarded more closely in nba than college? if that is your stance, then what? the nba does play defense but focuses more on the 3 than down low? or do they play defense out high and down low? wait, but the nba and defense are oxymorons. yes the nba has better shooters, but ya can't have it both ways
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Put it this way. If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.
And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.
Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy. You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that. The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd. Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.
Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court. But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?
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Put it this way. If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.
And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.
Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy. You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that. The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd. Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.
Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court. But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?
fine, but we are talking college vs college and nba vs nba. not nba vs college. i am saying college players vs college players-period. the defense in the college game is as important as the offensive game. maybe more. we just got done laughing about nba defense. of course the skill set of the "average" nba player is probably better than some of the "best" college players. ya gotta stay in the same lane here wades.
i'm just saying, the pressure from end to end, mano a mano, full court press, balls out basketball is in college. ya snooze ya lose, ya miss an assignment(except if you're jh) you're riding the pines.
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fine, but we are talking college vs college and nba vs nba. not nba vs college. i am saying college players vs college players-period. the defense in the college game is as important as the offensive game. maybe more. we just got done laughing about nba defense. of course the skill set of the "average" nba player is probably better than some of the "best" college players. ya gotta stay in the same lane here wades.
i'm just saying, the pressure from end to end, mano a mano, full court press, balls out basketball is in college. ya snooze ya lose, ya miss an assignment(except if you're jh) you're riding the pines.
Yeah. NBA teams don’t go balls to the walls press all game because pros can actually handle the basketball. If NBA teams did that they’d give up 200 points per game. Not because of lack of effort. But because NBA players are incredibly gifted.
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i do watch quite a bit of nba. more than you guys? who knows. college focuses A LOT more on defense than the nba, right?
No.
we just had quite a few posts with people chuckling when defense and nba are mentioned in the same sentence? so if we agree that the defenses are tighter in college than the nba,
We don't.
how can you come to the conclusion that the 3 is guarded more closely in nba than college? if that is your stance, then what? the nba does play defense but focuses more on the 3 than down low? or do they play defense out high and down low? wait, but the nba and defense are oxymorons. yes the nba has better shooters, but ya can't have it both ways
This is word salad that is impossible to comprehend and therefore argue with.
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So has anyone stood next to him? Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”.
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So has anyone stood next to him? Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”.
I've stood directly next to him in a class I had with him a few years ago. I was recently measured at 5'9" without shoes. Markus was about an inch taller than me or so. Hes 5'10"-5'10.5" max.
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Put it this way. If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.
And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.
Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy. You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that. The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd. Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.
Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court. But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?
This
This is the reality. Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense. They are already elite offensively. Every single one, given the role, given the touches, can light it up.
How does Markus fit? The best comps are Nate Robinson and JJ Barea, but they are (IMHO) both MUCH better overall players than Markus. Nate was a first rounder and Barea was undrafted. For guys this size, regardless of scoring ability, how they are drafted is really a crap-shoot.
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Yeah. NBA teams don’t go balls to the walls press all game because pros can actually handle the basketball. If NBA teams did that they’d give up 200 points per game. Not because of lack of effort. But because NBA players are incredibly gifted.
yes they are incredibly gifted-that's why they are pros! also, they play an 82 + game schedule. the smart ones are in incredible shape, but know when to take their foot off the gas too. sometimes the pros don't have to go balls to the wall and that's ok. college? ya only get one chance to make a first impression
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" Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense"
i don't even know where to begin to argue that one. let's just start and end with nearly all the nba players are there because they can play. most play decent defense, but that's like saying most baseball players can catch the ball. but "elite" ?
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Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense.
HAHAHAHA
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So has anyone stood next to him? Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”.
MH is definitely closer to 5’9” than 5’11”.
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MH is definitely closer to 5’9” than 5’11”.
I'm 5'9 and am taller then Howard. He may be around 5'8 and a half at most.
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Rowsey was like 5'8". Agree that M2N isn't 5'11".
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I've stood directly next to him in a class I had with him a few years ago. I was recently measured at 5'9" without shoes. Markus was about an inch taller than me or so. Hes 5'10"-5'10.5" max.
I'm 5'9 and am taller then Howard. He may be around 5'8 and a half at most.
So does this mean Howard is shrinking? Two guys the same height stood next to him and he was taller than one and shorter than the other?
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Yeah he was at least as tall as my 5’10” self.
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I see Markus on TV all the time, and he's only about a foot tall on the screen.
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Latest Mock Draft 1/10/2020
36. Markus Howard
Others of Note
49. Cassius Winston
56. Myles Powell
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Why is cash of note?
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Why is cash of note?
No particular reason other than a preseason Player of the year candidate. PG . etc. Just a reference point
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I see Markus on TV all the time, and he's only about a foot tall on the screen.
you need a bigger TV. Unfortunately, with my black and white TV with rabbit ears, I dont get the game, so I have to listen to it on the radio. On the radio, he sounds like a Greek God.
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As of 2/18/2020
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
42. Markus Howard
Other Notables
52. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell
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So does this mean Howard is shrinking? Two guys the same height stood next to him and he was taller than one and shorter than the other?
They were mountain climbing together. Markus was the guy in the middle.
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As of 2/18/2020
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
42. Markus Howard
Other Notables
52. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell
I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.
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I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.
Ty-Shon is ranked 79th on the nbadraft.net big board.
https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/
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I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.
I think he has the same problem Vander did. Very good, but a little undersized for the 2. He’s really solid all around, but not a lights out shooter or unstoppable scorer. If he was 6’6-6’7 he’d be an easy first round pick I think. Howard is clearly projected to be drafted due to being an unreal/elite shooter, but I don’t think Alexander is viewed as being “elite” at anything for the next level.
That being said, he’s absolutely my pick for BE POY if not Markus
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Ty-Shon is ranked 79th on the nbadraft.net big board.
https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/
I think they have under-ranked him, perhaps significantly so.
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NBA Draft.net position
50. Markus Howard
Other Notables:
Myles Powell fell off the board.
Ty Shon Alexander not on board .
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Nothing other than gut feeling, but I feel like someone will take Markus well before the very end of the draft. He’s a guy that fits a niche, has age and maturity on his side, and is by all accounts (well, I guess there’s one) a fantastic kid. Someone with several pick that needs a shooter will reach.
Markus isn’t the type of guy you bet against. Hot take - early 2nd rounder.
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Why not a flyer on Miles Powell?
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Why not a flyer on Miles Powell?
Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?
Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better. Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.
I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist
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Nothing other than gut feeling, but I feel like someone will take Markus well before the very end of the draft. He’s a guy that fits a niche, has age and maturity on his side, and is by all accounts (well, I guess there’s one) a fantastic kid. Someone with several pick that needs a shooter will reach.
Markus isn’t the type of guy you bet against. Hot take - early 2nd rounder.
Yes—having been thinking of #50 since I saw it. Some GM will grab him....agree early to mid 2nd round.
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Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?
Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better. Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.
I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist
Holy $hit this is tremendous. Spot on.
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Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?
Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better. Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.
I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist
Great stuff, Wags.
I would take Alexander over Powell in a heartbeat.
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Powell could be the next scottie Reynolds. That being said id be surprised if he doesnt play at least 100 min of nba ball
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I know it's SUPER early, but most mock drafts ive seen have Carton in the 25-40 range, only one mock ive seen with dawson in it going late second round
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NBAdraft.net as of May 15
2020
50. Markus Howard
2021
19. DJ Carton
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NBADraft.net Mock Drafts
2020 (as of 6/2)
53. Markus Howard
2021 ( as of 4/20)
19. DJ Carton
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Surprised Dawson isn't even listed in the second round next year. Usually aren't all the McDAAs represented?
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NBA.net Mock Draft
2020
53. Markus Howard
Also an excellent research report on Markus draft prospects from his hometown newspaper .
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/04/03/nba-mock-draft-marquette-markus-howard-2020-nba-draft/2939264001/
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NBA Draft.Net as of July 30
56. Markus Howard
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
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https://www.atthehive.com/2020/7/8/21317236/2020-charlotte-hornets-prospect-scouting-report-markus-howard
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NBA Draft.net as of 10/19/20
56. Markus Howard
Good outlook for Markus in this article
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-which-four-year-college-player-in-the-2020-nba-draft-class-will-have-the-best-pro-career/
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NBA Draft.net as of 10/19/20
56. Markus Howard
Good outlook for Markus in this article
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-which-four-year-college-player-in-the-2020-nba-draft-class-will-have-the-best-pro-career/
I’m hoping he goes undrafted and signs on with the Bucks.
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I’m hoping he goes undrafted and signs on with the Bucks.
I just don’t see anyway he doesn’t get drafted. A shooter and scorer like that is worth a shot, especially in the second round.
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NBA Draft.net as of 10/19/20
56. Markus Howard
Good outlook for Markus in this article
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-which-four-year-college-player-in-the-2020-nba-draft-class-will-have-the-best-pro-career/
Not a great spot to be in going into the draft. Any foreign players taken will start to push players out and not a lot of margin for error if not seleected in that spot. He is also the only sub 6ft player in the draft. Karim Mane is listed as #57.
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https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/09/04/markus-howard-nba-draft-profile/
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Karim Mane is listed as #57.
Shoulda gone to college.
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Shoulda gone to college.
Unless he simply didn't want to.
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Maebee Mane figured MU wuzant worth da financial investment, hey?
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Shoulda gone to college.
And play a likely interrupted season, attending school remotely, etc. I'm not saying he made the right decision, but I can understand why he made it.
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One thing MU can sell is hoops is #1, games are real events etc. All that goes out the window in a year like this.
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Just Markus draining 90 of 100 NBA threes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsNuAXtRGs&feature=youtu.be
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Just Markus draining 90 of 100 NBA threes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsNuAXtRGs&feature=youtu.be
Still has no leash, I see.
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Just Markus draining 90 of 100 NBA threes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsNuAXtRGs&feature=youtu.be
Need to send that to every NBA GM
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Would crack up if Markus and Joey end up on the same NBA team even if it's just for a tiny stretch.
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Why does he shoot so much? Wouldn't it have been better if he only shot 50 times and passed the ball to his practice partners more?
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Whether he's taken in round 2 or he's an undrafted FA (like Wes), that's obviously his ticket to the NBA. A lot of teams will be looking to go young at the end of the bench because revenues cratered due to the coronavirus.
For non-stars, it's a matter of getting a chance and being ready when that happens. I'm rooting for Marquette's all-time scoring leader. Go get 'em, Markus!
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NBA Draft.net
As of November 3
2020
55. Markus Howard
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Markus measured 5’-9.5” without shoes at the draft combine.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/
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Would crack up if Markus and Joey end up on the same NBA team even if it's just for a tiny stretch.
Joey isn’t going to the NBA. He barely started and struggled for a one and done tourney team. Never mind making a NBA roster.
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Joey isn’t going to the NBA. He barely started and struggled for a one and done tourney team. Never mind making a NBA roster.
As much as I dislike him, a very tall player who can stretch the floor and handle the ball will make it. You're judging after his freshman year and jaded by him transferring. Id bet on him to at least get his look.
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Joey isn’t going to the NBA. He barely started and struggled for a one and done tourney team. Never mind making a NBA roster.
Remind me in three years how well this comment aged.
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Remind me in three years how well this comment aged.
I think he is being sarcastic.
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Markus measured 5’-9.5” without shoes at the draft combine.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/
Iz dat wit orr witout hare, hey?
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Markus measured 5’-9.5” without shoes at the draft combine.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/
Always found it amusing that they measure without shoes. Cause we all know players ball barefoot in the league. But all considered, not a bad outcome. Means he’s in that 5,10.5-5’11 range in shoes. He’s short, we’ve always known that, but he’s not Lilliputian
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Always found it amusing that they measure without shoes. Cause we all know players ball barefoot in the league. But all considered, not a bad outcome. Means he’s in that 5,10.5-5’11 range in shoes. He’s short, we’ve always known that, but he’s not Lilliputian
Why measure in shoes. They are all different.
People's height is their height without shoes. Well, technically if you ask someone their height it always seems to be their height without shoes, + a random 2 inches.
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Always found it amusing that they measure without shoes. Cause we all know players ball barefoot in the league. But all considered, not a bad outcome. Means he’s in that 5,10.5-5’11 range in shoes. He’s short, we’ve always known that, but he’s not Lilliputian
They measured him at 5'11" in shoes.
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So MU doesn't fudge the heights, they always had Markus listed as 5'11".
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6 foot and 1/4 wingspan for Markus and trim at 170.8 pounds
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Don't get me wrong, I love Markus, but what's the difference between him and Rowsey as far as making an NBA roster?
Both can shoot it and are roughly the same height. Limited defensively. OK ball handlers.
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I realize LaMelo is 8 inches taller, but dude shot 25% from 3 in Australia, as an 18 year old. Markus shot 55% in the Big East as a 17 year old. One is guaranteed top 10, probably top 5 and the other has a good shot of not being drafted.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Markus, but what's the difference between him and Rowsey as far as making an NBA roster?
Both can shoot it and are roughly the same height. Limited defensively. OK ball handlers.
Markus is slightly less of a revolving door on D whereas Rowsey being compared to a revolving door was probably disingenuous to revolving doors.
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Markus is slightly less of a revolving door on D whereas Rowsey being compared to a revolving door was probably disingenuous to revolving doors.
He's also the greatest scorer in Big East history. Did it at a high level for four seasons in various roles. Historically great numbers his final season.
All those things add up to a stew that makes him more appealing as a draft pick than Rowsey.
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I realize LaMelo is 8 inches taller, but dude shot 25% from 3 in Australia, as an 18 year old. Markus shot 55% in the Big East as a 17 year old. One is guaranteed top 10, probably top 5 and the other has a good shot of not being drafted.
8 inches taller is your answer.
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8 inches taller is your answer.
Better ball handler and court vision as well.
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I was and am a huge fan of Markus. An amazing scorer. A wonderful representative of Marquette. But when it comes to the league, I equate him with Gardner.
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8 inches taller is your answer.
Yup. If Markus was 6'6", he would've been a lottery pick. In the 2018 NBA Draft.
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Yup. If Markus was 6'6", he would've been a lottery pick. In the 2018 NBA Draft.
After playing his freshman year at Duke.
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Fact.
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After playing his freshman year at Duke.
He wasn't draft eligible until after his sophomore year. But definitely more likely he'd have been far higher rated and recruited, yes.
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We were 8 inches from avoiding cancer? Damn.
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After playing his freshman year at Duke.
Wooda bin a grean weener, aina?
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If Uncle Joe had a 'gina, he'd bee Aunt Sally, aina?
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If Uncle Joe had a 'gina, he'd bee Aunt Sally, aina?
Keep up wit da tymes dok.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Markus, but what's the difference between him and Rowsey as far as making an NBA roster?
Both can shoot it and are roughly the same height. Limited defensively. OK ball handlers.
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I think Markus and Rowsey Are comparable offensively.
We have now seen evidence of Rowsey at the professional level. Was in Toronto summer league team coming out of college. Had a solid first year in Hungary ,which led to a G League spot with the Lakeland . Rowsey put up very big offensive numbers At high efficiency for Lakeland including a 43 point game . However , he saw limited time on the TBT team. He is now a reserve on a team in the Top German League. It should be noted the Euro Leagues play on a smaller court and the league is physical and this does not play to Rowsey strengths. So , we have seen Rowsey get opportunities To play for payb, but so far The lack of defense has Limited his ability to get a bona fide opportunity in the NBA.
I think Markus will get an opportunity In the NBA because he has worked very hard on his conditioning and defense . Not saying he has improved but that extra effort may enough what to give some team the courage to sign him and take a flyer . Most likely ,the second road or as free agent and see if he can stick around.
If it doesn’t work out For Markus I think he will follow in the footsteps of Rowsey and play some G League and turn that into a European top level league contract.
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Markus’ defense wasn’t terrible. Rowsey’s was.
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Markus was a much better defender than Rowdy. Much better than a lot of people gave him credit for.
Offensively, Markus was much more versatile than Rowdy was. He could score in a lot of different ways whereas Rowdy was mostly limited to his (unreal) three point shooting.
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Markus will get drafted in the Arby's Round. Chicago Bulls
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Markus was a much better defender than Rowdy. Much better than a lot of people gave him credit for.
Offensively, Markus was much more versatile than Rowdy was. He could score in a lot of different ways whereas Rowdy was mostly limited to his (unreal) three point shooting.
“Rowdy” (Roddy Piper?) also had The Thing.
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Parrish has Marcus going to GSW, the after practice games of H O R S E would be a blast.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2020-lamelo-ball-picked-no-1-by-timberwolves-james-wiseman-goes-no-2-to-warriors/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2020-lamelo-ball-picked-no-1-by-timberwolves-james-wiseman-goes-no-2-to-warriors/)
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He’s been gone so long, it’s like we don’t even know him.
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NBADraft.Net as of November 16,2020
44. Markus Howard
This is the highest Markus has been in the Mock Draft in a long time. this ranking is also after the NBA Combine so I guess the event was a positive for Markus.
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Just watched some videos. We will not see his like again. I have changed my mind. I think somebody picks him up.
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Just watched some videos. We will not see his like again. I have changed my mind. I think somebody picks him up.
I think you have nailed the precise reason some one will take a flyer on him. Shooters of his ability just don't come around that often. It is worth a second round pick to see if he can do it at the next level.
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I think you have nailed the precise reason some one will take a flyer on him. Shooters of his ability just don't come around that often. It is worth a second round pick to see if he can do it at the next level.
I would have loved to see him in the 3point shooting contest at the Final Four. Perfect score, maybe?
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Twitter consensus draft: https://mobile.twitter.com/SloanImperative/status/1328432072063586307
Number 62
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Good video of Markus and His Family training.
https://twitter.com/ChierstinSusel/status/1328446442072051717
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Good video of Markus and His Family training.
https://twitter.com/ChierstinSusel/status/1328446442072051717
Cant tell if hes training for the NBA or the priesthood. aina?
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I like how at the end of the video that Joey Hauser is guarding him.
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Cant tell if hes training for the NBA or the priesthood. aina?
I think both ...
https://sportsspectrum.com/sport/basketball/2020/11/17/markus-howard-spread-gods-word-nba-draft/
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ESPN just ran a feature about sons of former NBA players in the draft, featuring (among others) Brendan Bailey.
I kind of forgot about him. Guessing we won't hear his name tonight.
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I like how at the end of the video that Joey Hauser is guarding him.
Damn
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ESPN just ran a feature about sons of former NBA players in the draft, featuring (among others) Brendan Bailey.
I kind of forgot about him. Guessing we won't hear his name tonight.
Not a chance of that happening. I wish him well. Seems like a classy person just like all of Wojo's guys.
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Not a chance of that happening. I wish him well. Seems like a classy person just like all of Wojo's guys.
Still a real head scratcher of a move for BB.
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Still a real head scratcher of a move for BB.
I think he realized he's not going to gain much more value as a 23 year old junior for draft stock. Likely will earn money overseas somewhere.
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Just watched some videos. We will not see his like again. I have changed my mind. I think somebody picks him up.
Honest question I don’t know the answer to - how common is it for first team All Americans go undrafted? What % are lottery picks, first rounders and second rounders?
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Final NBADraft.net mock draft
44. Markus Howard
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Honest question I don’t know the answer to - how common is it for first team All Americans go undrafted? What % are lottery picks, first rounders and second rounders?
I believe that the list of undrafted AAs is exactly one name. Scottie Reynolds. Don't know %s based on round.
Agree with those that think he's worth a late 2nd rounder, his shooting is too elite not to be given a chance.
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Hope the Bucks take him at 45.
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He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route? I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar. Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.
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He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route? I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar. Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.
I'd be surprised, but not shocked. Possible if he puts the work in. It might be more like a Juan Toscano situation years down the road.
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He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route? I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar. Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.
Agree and I think the same of Theo John next year.
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Still a real head scratcher of a move for BB.
He's 23. you could either play for Marquette or go make money in Europe. Not really a choice in my mind. Wish him luck.
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He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route? I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar. Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.
I don't see it. He can shoot a bit but his shot is way too slow and he isn't as explosive laterally. Sacar was one of my favorites so very much hope I'm wrong.
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I don't see it. He can shoot a bit but his shot is way too slow and he isn't as explosive laterally. Sacar was one of my favorites so very much hope I'm wrong.
If Jamil can’t stick, not sure how Sacar could.
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If Jamil can’t stick, not sure how Sacar could.
Well not getting sued for knowingly having herpes when having unprotected sex will probably help Sacar
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Sacar is also 6 years younger than Jamil, plays a different position, and yes (hopefully) knows how to practice safe sex.
If I had to bet, I would still put money down on 2 years in the G-League, then off to Europe. But, while all the draft news has been about Markus, I don't think it would be all that surprising if Sacar end ups having a longer NBA career. If you can get the reputation of a solid 3 and D player, you can have a pretty nice journeyman career i.e. Wes.
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Sacar is also 6 years younger than Jamil, plays a different position, and yes (hopefully) knows how to practice safe sex.
If I had to bet, I would still put money down on 2 years in the G-League, then off to Europe. But, while all the draft news has been about Markus, I don't think it would be all that surprising if Sacar end ups having a longer NBA career. If you can get the reputation of a solid 3 and D player, you can have a pretty nice journeyman career i.e. Wes.
I think your assessment about Sacar is accurate. It just takes one coach to believe in what Sacar brings to the table and maybe he makes the most of the opportunity. Sacar has some decent tools to bring to the party .
Jamil made the most of his opportunity and then unfortunately the downside of the two way contract is he ran out of days and so the Clippers had to either sign him up for the rest of the season or let him go. They had no cap room so they had to let him go and bring up another two way player. Unfortunately then the lawsuit happened when Jamil was on the verge of being signed by the Lakers. Now it looks like he is a career European guy .
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All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.
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Nah Lenny man, if da software is right, anything can happen, aina?
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All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.
I don't get it either but Juan and Buycks have shown me who knows what can happen
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All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.
What "love" are you seeing? I'm probably more optimistic about his chances than just about anyone, and I said best case he's the 13th man somewhere, and most likely he's in the G-League. I just don't think the possibility of Sacar making it should be dismissed completely.
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All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.
+1
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Sacar is a lock to have a fine NBA career. He’ll be a starter this season, he’ll be an All-Star in Year 3, and he has an outside shot at being a Hall of Famer.
Now THAT’S love!
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I don't get it either but Juan and Buycks have shown me who knows what can happen
Juan had size and athleticism that Sacar doesn’t. Buycks had skill levels Sacar doesn’t. He’s not in Jamil’s league either. And somebody actually compared him to Wesley.
Mind blowing.
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Juan had size and athleticism that Sacar doesn’t. Buycks had skill levels Sacar doesn’t. He’s not in Jamil’s league either. And somebody actually compared him to Wesley.
Mind blowing.
Me again, weird how you won't actually respond to me :o.
I don't think comparing a 6-5 220 lb G to a 6-5 210 lb G is "mind blowing"
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sacar-anim-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/wesley-matthews-1.html
Wes definitely holds the edge in some categories, but Sacar certainly hold his own in others.
Again, not saying it's a lock like 82 (in teal) was, but the odds are above 0 like they currently are for Jayce or would have been for Ed, so given the title of the thread, I think it's worth discussing.
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Me again, weird how you won't actually respond to me :o.
I don't think comparing a 6-5 220 lb G to a 6-5 210 lb G is "mind blowing"
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sacar-anim-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/wesley-matthews-1.html
Wes definitely holds the edge in some categories, but Sacar certainly hold his own in others.
Again, not saying it's a lock like 82 (in teal) was, but the odds are above 0 like they currently are for Jayce or would have been for Ed, so given the title of the thread, I think it's worth discussing.
Above 0? Okay, I guess. But I wasn’t at all surprised that Wesley made it. He looked like an NBA player to me his senior year. Juan and Dwight were shocks, but they each had skills that translated. Like I said, I hope I’m missing something but I see nothing in Sacar’s game that merits an NBA career. Nothing.
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You guys do realize that Marcus Howard isn't getting drafted........right?
oh wait.....now Sacar Anim is being talked about as sleeper NBA potential. Unreal.
No one wants to use a draft pick on a guard that's too small and had difficulty shooting against decent defenders. Getting to the free throw line was how Howard filled up the stat sheet at MU. That doesn't work in the NBA, nor does his inability to defend or pass. Wojo didn't develop him enough at MU. 1 dimensional. There's way more potential on the board. Only way for him to make it is in the G league. Europe is where he'll excel.
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6-5 and I'd argue his frame would allow him to add another 10-15 lbs of muscle, and shot 40% from 3. Won't argue overall potential against some of the players drafted, but when I see a 6-3 198 lb 29% three point shooter, and a 6-5 174 lb 36 % three point shooter (Maxey and Maledon respectively) get drafted, I can see a path for Sacar. Again they're better overall prospects, but with size, shooting, and defensive ability/potential being at premiums right now, I think there may be a spot at the end of a bench for a 3 and D league minimum salary project.
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You guys do realize that Marcus Howard isn't getting drafted........right?
Markus ain’t getting drafted, but at least spell his name right...
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Howard goes undrafted.
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Markus is just not a good NBA prospect. If you have those late second round picks, you take a flier on a 6’7” freak athlete. Not a 5’10” shooting guard who can’t play defense. Markus is Scottie Reynolds.
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Markus is just not a good NBA prospect. If you have those late second round picks, you take a flier on a 6’7” freak athlete. Not a 5’10” shooting guard who can’t play defense. Markus is Scottie Reynolds.
I'd still bet on him getting at least one NBA minute this year.
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Of note, Karim Mane goes undrafted.
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I'd still bet on him getting at least one NBA minute this year.
I hope you’re right, but I just don’t see him ever lacing it up in the NBA.
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Howard goes undrafted.
He wasn’t even in Jay Bilas’ top 6 remaining with one pick left.
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markus will make nice money overseas. powell not gettin picked is no surpise. kansas dotson not gettin picked is surpirsing. good luck markus. he either has a cup of coffe in the nba or makes good money overseas. right???
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markus will make nice money overseas. powell not gettin picked is no surpise. kansas dotson not gettin picked is surpirsing. good luck markus. he either has a cup of coffe in the nba or makes good money overseas. right???
Dotson agreed to a deal with Chicago.
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I am beginning to think that going to college is a bad idea for kids who want to play in the NBA these days. Go overseas or hang out in prep school for a year, and hope you get drafted for ‘untapped potential.’ Or maybe go to college for a year and throw your name in the draft before teams see limits to your upside.
Only a handful of kids played three or four years of college and then got drafted tonight.
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Howard signs a two way with Denver.
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Howard signs a two way with Denver.
Kinda surprised at that, not for getting signed just think that’s a tough landing spot for him. No minutes available in that backcourt.
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I am beginning to think that going to college is a bad idea for kids who want to play in the NBA these days. Go overseas or hang out in prep school for a year, and hope you get drafted for ‘untapped potential.’ Or maybe go to college for a year and throw your name in the draft before teams see limits to your upside.
Only a handful of kids played three or four years of college and then got drafted tonight.
Well yeah, most nba guys leave early since the pay, coaching and lifestyle is better. If you are an accountant and can get a full salary after your freshman year from a big four, do you think it's beneficial to stay in college or are you better off going to firm for their better training and best assignments.
Especially with the pandemic, why would you stick around college if you could get paid the past two years?
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I hope you’re right, but I just don’t see him ever lacing it up in the NBA.
Markus 100% plays in the NBA at somepoint. Probably this year.
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Markus ain’t getting drafted, but at least spell his name right...
Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?
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Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?
He signed a two way contract already. He’ll be playing in the Association this year.
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Along with Bailey, Amin, and Mane, aina?
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He signed a two way contract already. He’ll be playing in the Association this year.
I wouldn’t bet against Markus. Will he make it? I don’t know but I know he’ll work as hard as anyone else to make it and he’ll make Marquette proud. Plenty of Marquette fans and alum will cheer against him and that’s sad.
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Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?
Nothing better than "fans" who root against our players.
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NBA teams get 2 two way contracts. With covid almost certain to knock players out for periods of time, Markus will find himself on the NBA roster plenty.
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C'mon man, no attack against Markus was made or implied. Just a fact of life that 5'9" shooting guards will have a difficult time making it, particularly when the league matches you up against 6'5" players. Never met Markus. All indications are he's a fine, upstanding human being. Likely, will be a huge success in life, hey?
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Every undrafted player -- and most second-rounders, and a good number of first-rounders -- will find it difficult to get a serious look in the NBA.
Markus is little and limited, but he has one proven skill that is highly valued. I certainly wouldn't bet against him getting some opportunities this season. As wades said, just the COVID-19 situation alone suggests that the Nuggets probably will need to add several players to the bottom of their roster on numerous occasions.
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Me again, weird how you won't actually respond to me :o.
I don't think comparing a 6-5 220 lb G to a 6-5 210 lb G is "mind blowing"
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sacar-anim-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/wesley-matthews-1.html
Wes definitely holds the edge in some categories, but Sacar certainly hold his own in others.
Again, not saying it's a lock like 82 (in teal) was, but the odds are above 0 like they currently are for Jayce or would have been for Ed, so given the title of the thread, I think it's worth discussing.
Oh come on. You just have to watch games to realize that, despite the fact they are the same height and weight (lol), Sacar is nothing like Wesley.
Sacar is a physical defender, with an inconsistent shot and no left hand. Wesley was always a consistent scorer from all levels, on top of being a decent defender who turned himself into a very good one.
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C'mon man, no attack against Markus was made or implied. Just a fact of life that 5'9" shooting guards will have a difficult time making it, particularly when the league matches you up against 6'5" players. Never met Markus. All indications are he's a fine, upstanding human being. Likely, will be a huge success in life, hey?
When critical thinking is posted, the weak-minded tend to be offended. Markus is a decent person but at the NBA level he's an outlier due to his body and skillset. While most will defend him, it needs to be said that he didn't exactly improve his passing or defense significantly while under Wojo. That's the red flag. In the NBA he's a liability.
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I am beginning to think that going to college is a bad idea for kids who want to play in the NBA these days. Go overseas or hang out in prep school for a year, and hope you get drafted for ‘untapped potential.’ Or maybe go to college for a year and throw your name in the draft before teams see limits to your upside.
Only a handful of kids played three or four years of college and then got drafted tonight.
You have it backwards. Players who can get drafted, leave early. Markus wasn't going to have a much different outcome no matter when he came out.
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Markus was a once in a lifetime college basketball player. But he is 5'9. I thought there was a chance someone would draft him, but I am not surprised by this outcome. 5'9. In the end, the only number that mattered. Yes, he can shoot like Steph Curry. 5'9.
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When critical thinking is posted, the weak-minded tend to be offended. Markus is a decent person but at the NBA level he's an outlier due to his body and skillset. While most will defend him, it needs to be said that he didn't exactly improve his passing or defense significantly while under Wojo. That's the red flag. In the NBA he's a liability.
Who said he isn’t a liability in the NBA?
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Markus was a once in a lifetime college basketball player. But he is 5'9. I thought there was a chance someone would draft him, but I am not surprised by this outcome. 5'9. In the end, the only number that mattered. Yes, he can shoot like Steph Curry. 5'9.
5'10...we round up here :)
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Who said he isn’t a liability in the NBA?
jesmu84 got all bent out of shape saying "gotta love it when you root against your own players"
He's a tad sensitive
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Oh come on. You just have to watch games to realize that, despite the fact they are the same height and weight (lol), Sacar is nothing like Wesley.
Sacar is a physical defender, with an inconsistent shot and no left hand. Wesley was always a consistent scorer from all levels, on top of being a decent defender who turned himself into a very good one.
Wesley being a scorer from all levels in college didn't really effect him in the pros though considering he attempted less than two 2 point shots per game last year, and hasn't had a year where he attempted more 2s than 3s since the 11-12 season.
Wesley is a 3 and D guy who's career 3 point shooting percentage is 38%. Sacar shot 39% from 3 last year. Wesley improved massively on the defensive end his first few years in the NBA. Can Sacar do the same? I think it's a long shot, but I do think it's a possibility.
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jesmu84 got all bent out of shape saying "gotta love it when you root against your own players"
He's a tad sensitive
No, he’s right. There are those here that will cheer against him
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Chris Clemons is on the Rockets roster. Converted from a 2 way to a standard NBA contract in his first season. A bit shorter than Markus and not as good of a shooter, despite being a similar type of player. Don’t rule out Markus seeing significant time
And Markus is above 5’10 in shoes according to the NBA combine measurements. Enough with the 5’9 digs
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Sacar will not play in the NBA.
Markus is too short to reliably play in the NBA... also he won't be able to defend
Saying these two things doesn't mean I am not rooting for either of them.
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Sacar will not play in the NBA.
Markus is too short to reliably play in the NBA... also he won't be able to defend
Saying these two things doesn't mean I am not rooting for either of them.
Put Markus on IT and he has a shot of effectively defending someone.
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This is how the Bucks used their two second round choices. They took two shooters:
1. Jordan Nwora with 45 pick
2. Sam Merrill with 60th pick
I wonder if they offered Markus a free agent spot.
Will be interesting to see what teams offered Markus. As a free agent he could choose the best fit .
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It was ignored that directly after the draft, he was given a contract. So, apparently the association does have some use for a 5'9" player, eh?
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Nothing better than "fans" who root against our players.
This has increased dramatically over the last eight to nine months.
Hard not to notice that it dovetails with the complete collapse of that which those "fans" hold dear in life outside of basketball and a general feeling of grievance not being paid attention to in a manner that absolves them of their deficient character and lacking morals.
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This has increased dramatically over the last eight to nine months.
Hard not to notice that it dovetails with the complete collapse of that which those "fans" hold dear in life outside of basketball and a general feeling of grievance not being paid attention to in a manner that absolves them of their deficient character and lacking morals.
So Marquette fans who take off their blue and gold glasses long enough to see the obvious (that Sacar Anim has shown nothing to indicate he’s an NBA player) or agree with every NBA team that passed on Markus (all of them) that he might have a tough time in the association come to these conclusions because they have deficient characters and lack morals.
If this wasn’t meant to be in teal it’s the craziest post in Scoop history.
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Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?
Dems are going to forgive everyone’s student loans anyways so he may have ended up working more for his education than most.
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NBA Draft.net as of November 28,2020
No current MU players listed on the 2021 Mock Draft. First 2022 Mock Draft and 2021 Big Board top 100 not yet out.
MU Related
43. Sam Hauser
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NBA Draft.net as of November 28,2020
No current MU players listed on the 2021 Mock Draft. First 2022 Mock Draft and 2021 Big Board top 100 not yet out.
MU Related
43. Sam Hauser
Who?
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Who?
Sam Hauser is an American college basketball player for the Virginia Cavaliers of the Atlantic Coast Conference. he is 22 years old and 6'8". He played high school ball in wisconsin with his brother joey and won a title. after high school, sam hauser elected to play basketball at marquette university located in milwaukee wisconsin. He received a full scholarship and played three seasons at marquette under coach steve Wojciechowski. He then decided to transfer to Virginia to play basketball his final year. His final season is currently underway.
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Sam Hauser is an American college basketball player for the Virginia Cavaliers of the Atlantic Coast Conference. he is 22 years old and 6'8". He played high school ball in wisconsin with his brother joey and won a title. after high school, sam hauser elected to play basketball at marquette university located in milwaukee wisconsin. He received a full scholarship and played three seasons at marquette under coach steve Wojciechowski. He then decided to transfer to Virginia to play basketball his final year. His final season is currently underway.
Yeah.....you know.....the guy the ACC is hyping for "national POY"......That is a major "stretch"......And I do not mean "stretch 4".....
When I heard Bilas say that I almost fell out of my "old man's chair"....
Is Dick Vitale still doing games.....If he starts with that $hit.....I will have to mute the volume.....
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Who?
He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final. Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.
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Yeah.....you know.....the guy the ACC is hyping for "national POY"......That is a major "stretch"......And I do not mean "stretch 4".....
When I heard Bilas say that I almost fell out of my "old man's chair"....
Is Dick Vitale still doing games.....If he starts with that $hit.....I will have to mute the volume.....
Yeah that is a huge stretch. He will get the hype though, so you never know. I wish him well. He was a very good player for MU. I appreciated him while he was here.
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NBA Draft.net as of November 28,2020
No current MU players listed on the 2021 Mock Draft. First 2022 Mock Draft and 2021 Big Board top 100 not yet out.
MU Related
43. Sam Hauser
As much as you want Trump, Sam Hauser is no longer MU related.
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Never heard of him.
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He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final. Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.
Guess you missed the update. Spoiler alert: His teammate did pass him the ball and the result was the same.
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Never heard of him.
You’d have to have a little bit of knowledge about college basketball to have heard of him. Not much, mind you, just a little bit.
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Just another guy who left. Some of you guys have never moved on from the girl who dumped you sophomore year of high school.
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You’d have to have a little bit of knowledge about college basketball to have heard of him. Not much, mind you, just a little bit.
Remind me, Lenny. I don’t have a little bit of knowledge about college basketball so forgive me. But who is Zaire Williamson, again?
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Just another guy who left. Some of you guys have never moved on from the girl who dumped you sophomore year of high school.
projection? ;D
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Nope. Moved on from all of them.
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He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final. Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.
There's plenty of material to get snarky with so why did you resort to outright lying? It's pathetic.
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He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final. Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.
Actually I last saw him get the ball wide open 2 days ago and miss the game winner...
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Good draft write ups on Dawson and DJ and comparison to other players at the same position in past and future years.
https://nbadraftroom.com/dawson-garcia/
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/d-j-carton/
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NBADraft.net as of 11/30/2020
No Current MU player on the list. Keeping a close watch for any Dawson or JFL sightings.
Former MU Player
44. Sam Hauser
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I'd still bet on him getting at least one NBA minute this year.
Bump! Congrats Markus!
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Bump! Congrats Markus!
M2N
Free BJ
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NBADraft.net as of January 1, 2021
2021
None
2022
39. DJ Carton
Former MU Player
2021
52. Sam Hauser
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NBA Draft.net as of March 6,2021
2021
None
2022
30. DJ Carton
Former MU Player
2021
48. Sam Hauser
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NBA Draft.net as of March 6,2021
2021
None
2022
30. DJ Carton
Former MU Player
2021
48. Sam Hauser
Carton wouldn’t get drafted if he came out this year. But somehow he is top 30 next year? In a draft that may include high schoolers? Not a chance.
Hauser? Nope.
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Carton wouldn’t get drafted if he came out this year. But somehow he is top 30 next year? In a draft that may include high schoolers? Not a chance.
Hauser? Nope.
Sometimes players improve over time. Obi Toppin and Tyrese Haliburton would have been maybe second round draft picks after their freshman years. They were top 10 picks after their sophomore years.
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Carton wouldn’t get drafted if he came out this year. But somehow he is top 30 next year? In a draft that may include high schoolers? Not a chance.
Hauser? Nope.
I'd bet Sam gets drafted late this year.
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Sometimes players improve over time. Obi Toppin and Tyrese Haliburton would have been maybe second round draft picks after their freshman years. They were top 10 picks after their sophomore years.
I expect Carton to improve. He has NBA athleticism.
Ball handling, passing need lots and lots of improvement. Shot needs to be re-worked.
I think he could possibly work his way into the 2nd round, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
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I'd bet Sam gets drafted late this year.
I disagree. Doesn’t mean I’m right, though.
We’ll see.
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If Carton makes reasonable improvements on both his shot and his handles, he can be a first rounder. He has the size and the athleticism.
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Well, I guess it is time to put this thread to rest.
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The Athletic's latest NBA mock has Justin going #50 overall to the Minnesota T'Wolves.
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The Athletic's latest NBA mock has Justin going #50 overall to the Minnesota T'Wolves.
Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way.
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Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way.
Anyone got an "in" with TC Tuggers or Dan Flashes?
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The Athletic's latest NBA mock has Justin going #50 overall to the Minnesota T'Wolves.
Justin was 48 in the latest Bleacher Report mock draft by their head scout.
Justin not listed in the recent USA Today 2 round mock draft.
ESPN ranks Lewis at 42 on their big board top 100.
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Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way.
Art's Performing Center kneeds a spokesman, aina?
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Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way.
Two weeks ago:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CXykJJQLCq-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Proud to announce my NIL deal with Milwaukee’s hippest restaurant @unclebucksonthird, located in the heart of downtown Milwaukee’s most prominent entertainment area.
Make sure you pull up before and after games and let them know I sent you! Wait until you see what we have dropping on the menu soon. 👀 🍔 🔥
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https://unclebucksonthird.com/milwaukee-uncle-bucks-food-menu
Marquette’s Justin Lewis very own Signature “Double Double” *
$14.95
Two burger patties topped with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes and pickles
Classic, though unimaginative.
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Waiting for the Daryl "Morsel" of food appetizer platter, or the Kur to what ails you hangover drink.
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And local bath and fixture stores should be touting The Bold, New Look of Kolek.
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Ighodaro can basically rep any restaurant. Try our new *insert food here*. It's Oso good!
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Ighodaro can basically rep any restaurant. Try our new *insert food here*. It's Oso good!
Wow somebody get Arbys advertising on the phone!
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Office Max on line 1.
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And local bath and fixture stores should be touting The Bold, New Look of Kolek.
As oppposed to the bold new look of Theo John.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2380/6717/products/logo-01-black-tee_1224x.png)
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All these guys really skimp on the graphic design investment don't they?
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Kur or Oso and Dunkin' Donuts are perfect matches. Or maybe an app for call blocking for Kur?
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Office Max on line 1.
That could be a prosper-ous relationship
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The trend lately was better to play your last year or two of college in the G League / Europe to make some cash off your talents in your prime. I wonder if we'll see more retention of players of they can scrounge up 250K of endorsements. Of course the headache of school still applies.
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Kur or Oso and Dunkin' Donuts are perfect matches.
Based on recent games, Kur might miss the cup o' coffee with the donut.
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Based on recent games, Kur might miss the cup o' coffee with the donut.
Hah But coffee WILL be everywhere, regardless.
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A butcher shop with 'Kur-ed' meats.
Stevie could partner with the airport.
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Any butchers, bakers, or candle stores giving NIL money to Brent?
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Any butchers, bakers, or candle stores giving NIL money to Brent?
I heard Tommee Tippee was working out a deal because you can knock over the bottle and they stand right back up.
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Ohhhh scoop
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Ighodaro can basically rep any restaurant. Try our new *insert food here*. It's Oso good!
https://www.osobrewing.com/
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All these guys really skimp on the graphic design investment don't they?
The implication being that they don't just ask their friends to do it... like every single one of us would have done while in school. ;D
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Mock Draft as of 02/11/2022
2022
None
2023
None
Other Notables
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
Courtesy of NBAdraft.net
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
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As oppposed to the bold new look of Theo John.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2380/6717/products/logo-01-black-tee_1224x.png)
Did he use Tiger Woods' design team?
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Mock Draft as of 02/11/2022
2022
None
2023
None
Other Notables
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
Courtesy of NBAdraft.net
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
That draft sucks. If Brady Manek gets drafted that GM will be fired on the spot.
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That draft sucks. If Brady Manek gets drafted that GM will be fired on the spot.
He’s a poor man’s Ryan Kelly from Duke who was a bum in the NBA and now is having success with Davante in Japan. Manek will do very well for himself in Eastern Europe
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The Athletic released a new mock draft today and Justin Lewis is going 29 overall in it.
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not sure if this was posted anywhere, but dawson is away for the remainder of the season due to multiple family medical issues; the loss of some, almost losing his dad and his grandma is in ICU. what a prominant display of his true character and loyalties-family-wishing the guy well and Godspeed to his family and resuming his athletic and academic endeavors
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Mentioned elsewhere.
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NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/22/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
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NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/22/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
dumb
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
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NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/30/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
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NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/30/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
That may be the single worst site for mock NBA drafts. I'm too lazy to look up the result on a legitimate site.
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NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 04/07/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
45. Dawson Garcia
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NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 04/07/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
45. Dawson Garcia
That they still are rating Garcia this way takes all credibility away from this source.
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NBA Mock Draft as of June 20,2022
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Marquette Players
2022
52. Justin Lewis
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
40. Dawson Garcia
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I can’t imagine anyone is reasonably projecting Garcia to get drafted. I feel like the last two years have caused his stock to tank.
Also, 52 seems really low for Lewis. I’d be a little surprised if he lasted into the 40s.
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NBA Mock Draft as of June 20,2022
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Marquette Players
2022
52. Justin Lewis
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
40. Dawson Garcia
Looked at the list of 2023 second rounders on that website.
The bulk of them wont get drafted. A bunch of centers no one would want. Guys that cant defend. Randomly putting in emoni bates.
Nba teams are just going to find draft and stash Euro guys instead.
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NBA Mock Draft as of June 23, 2022
Final before draft
Marquette Players
2022
40. Justin Lewis
2023
None
Other Big East
2022
56. Julian Champagnie
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John Hollinger's final mock for The Athletic has Justin going #27 to the Heat.
I mean, they've done well with MU players, so why not.
27. Miami Heat
Justin Lewis | 6-6 sophomore | SF | Marquette
While I don’t expect the Heat to move this pick, it could end up in play in scenarios where Miami moves Duncan Robinson and multiple picks for a difference-maker. Miami can also trade its firsts in 2023 and 2027 as part of a package.
Without a player worthy of said package being available, the Heat probably go best player available and grab a big, strong wing they can groom as another switchable forward who can make an open shot. That’s the idea anyway; it’s pick 27, so who knows how it turns out.