In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Better be careful, Rocket. They might report you for thought crimes.

They'd be the crimes of others since he has had a thought for himself in ages.

[muwarrior69]

There was a lock on the door. It malfunctioned.
And $2 isn't getting you much of a lock, and certainly not one that can be monitored from multiple locations.
It's amazing that some people would rather turn our schools into fortresses than make it just a wee bit harder to acquire a killing machine.

It amazes me that actually making it a lot harder for a school shooter to enter a school would not be the first priority in keeping our school children safe.

[Uncle Rico]

It amazes me that actually making it a lot harder for a school shooter to enter a school would not be the first priority in keeping our school children safe.

Less guns help, too.  Amazes me people actually think keeping things the same with regards to guns isn’t the first priority to keeping fellow Americans safe

[Pakuni]

It amazes me that actually making it a lot harder for a school shooter to enter a school would not be the first priority in keeping our school children safe.

Ah, you're from the Ted Cruz "Only one door, and if there's a fire let the kids burn" school of thought.
Again, there was a lock. Unless you're aware of some means to ensure that no lock ever fails, there's not much more that could have been done there.

Once again, in America, my convenience > your life. (see also: masks during a pandemic).

[Jockey]

It amazes me that actually making it a lot harder for a school shooter to enter a school would not be the first priority in keeping our school children safe.

It wasn’t a problem before you made sure every nut job has access to weapons of war.

You get to choose in November - kids or guns. Which is more important to you?

[MU82]

is everything a "talking point" to you guys??  regardless, it's a point that needs to be taken seriously.  every time we put forth a point, you guys just minimize it by saying-
                                                    1) fox news
                                                    2) qnon?
                                                    3) talking point
                                                   

   and this is from the crowd that follows sources that wet themselves over an avenotti presidency

Says the guy who offered this brilliant take:

what we missed was uncle joe and dr jill visiting these mass shootings as well.

[MU82]

Here's why N.C. Lt. Governor Mark Robinson owns ARs:

“I’m not ashamed to say it, I’m probably not supposed to say it, but I’m gonna say it anyway — I got them AR-15s in case the government gets too big for its britches. Cause I’m gonna fill the backside of them britches with some lead.”

Says a guy who wants government to climb into women's wombs.

Perfect. Why hang Mike Pence when you can shoot him?

[Jockey]

Here's why N.C. Lt. Governor Mark Robinson owns ARs:

“I’m not ashamed to say it, I’m probably not supposed to say it, but I’m gonna say it anyway — I got them AR-15s in case the government gets too big for its britches. Cause I’m gonna fill the backside of them britches with some lead.”

Says a guy who wants government to climb into women's wombs.

Perfect. Why hang Mike Pence when you can shoot him?

That’s just code for ‘get your guns ready, boys. The next coup we will be successful”.

These Rs are literally crazy.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Here's why N.C. Lt. Governor Mark Robinson owns ARs:

“I’m not ashamed to say it, I’m probably not supposed to say it, but I’m gonna say it anyway — I got them AR-15s in case the government gets too big for its britches. Cause I’m gonna fill the backside of them britches with some lead.”

Says a guy who wants government to climb into women's wombs.

Perfect. Why hang Mike Pence when you can shoot him?

Oh yes, the nutters are going to win a war against the government.

[rocket surgeon]

Ah, you're from the Ted Cruz "Only one door, and if there's a fire let the kids burn" school of thought.
Again, there was a lock. Unless you're aware of some means to ensure that no lock ever fails, there's not much more that could have been done there.

Once again, in America, my convenience > your life. (see also: masks during a pandemic).

  ok, here comes another talking point-how about doors that lock people out from the outside, but can get out from the inside.  i think those have been around for a while.

  here is a great example of an evil person who has a horrific record, is a felon, caught in possession of a handgun and spent all of 6 mos in the house of correction.  gee, i'm sure that taught him something, oops, now he's threatening a high school.  are we waiting for him to do a mass shooting before he gets put away for good? if you ccap his record, it is horrific

  "Branden Raymond is now charged with terrorist threats - public panic or fear. According to the criminal complaint, Milwaukee Police Dispatch received a call on May 24 from a person who stated "she saw a Facebook post warning not to send children to Riverside High School because it was going to be a kid's last day."7 hours ago

https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-man-threats-riverside-university-high-school

   

[Uncle Rico]

  ok, here comes another talking point-how about doors that lock people out from the outside, but can get out from the inside.  i think those have been around for a while.

  here is a great example of an evil person who has a horrific record, is a felon, caught in possession of a handgun and spent all of 6 mos in the house of correction.  gee, i'm sure that taught him something, oops, now he's threatening a high school.  are we waiting for him to do a mass shooting before he gets put away for good? if you ccap his record, it is horrific

  "Branden Raymond is now charged with terrorist threats - public panic or fear. According to the criminal complaint, Milwaukee Police Dispatch received a call on May 24 from a person who stated "she saw a Facebook post warning not to send children to Riverside High School because it was going to be a kid's last day."7 hours ago

https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-man-threats-riverside-university-high-school

 

As long as Riverside locked their doors, what’s the problem?

[jesmu84]

I remember the good ol days when you could leave your front door unlocked.

But I also look forward to the days when elementary schools are armed fortresses.

[Pakuni]

  ok, here comes another talking point-how about doors that lock people out from the outside, but can get out from the inside.  i think those have been around for a while.

Uhhhh ... what happens if the fire is blocking the single school exit?
Burn, baby, burn.
 

[noblewarrior]

Uhhhh ... what happens if the fire is blocking the single school exit?
Burn, baby, burn.
 

Multiple emergency exits … One entrance.  urdense. 

[Pakuni]

Multiple emergency exits … One entrance.  urdense.

So one door, but multiple emergency exits? Will these emergency exits be magic portals?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

A 2 dollar lock on the school door would have prevented all of this. How about mandatory locks on all school doors that can be monitored not only at the school but local sheriff's department. That is legislation I can support.

First off, $2 doesn't even cover a third of the cost of a cheap padlock (https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/safety-and-security/padlocks/50140?store=14366&gclid=CjwKCAjwv-GUBhAzEiwASUMm4iecqMnh2Wf-u4ESG6GrpcIeBlfM2LiFIYxBhAsu1U2rQLx1A9rzQxoC3PwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) so get that $2 crap out of here. Installing locks capable of keeping an armed intruder out, while safely letting school children out in the event of an emergency, that can be monitored from multiple locations on every exterior door of every school in the country is a several billion dollar project.

Despite that, I'd probably say spend the money if I thought it was going to keep our kids safe, but it won't. Locks fail. A shooter can tailgate in. A shooter could shoot himself in (unless we're barring all windows too). A shooter can hit the school at recess. A shooter could target a park, a high school football game, a hospital, a mall, a residential neighborhood, a public beach, an office building, hell we had one in a f*cking graveyard earlier today. We can't make our world into an armed fortress, it is impossible. What other countries have proven is that with a little regulation, you can greatly reduce the amount of mass shootings and the casualties per mass shooting.

My daughter is 2 years old. She's not even 2 and a half. We just potty trained her over memorial day weekend. She's just starting to grasp counting. She still needs us to sing her a lullaby bed every night. Last week, she had to participate in an active shooter drill. At f*cking 2 years old. Does that seem normal to you? Is that acceptable that we have reached a point in our society where we would rather teach 2 year olds what to do in the event that a gunman comes in and tries to kill them rather than enact any level of gun control? This past week I have had to come to terms with the fact that every day my daughter goes to school for the next 16 years, there is a not negligible chance that she may be shot at school. Longer if we have another kid. That's not acceptable.

Criminalize AR-15s and their like. Require training, testing, and a license to own a firearm. Ban private sales, require all firearm purchases to go through registered sellers. Require annual mental health screenings for gun owners and that their license be renewed every decade or so. Put in a mandatory month delay between the purchase of and receiving a firearm. Give judges the power to revoke a firearms license with good cause. All of these would be a great start.

[MuggsyB]

First off, $2 doesn't even cover a third of the cost of a cheap padlock (https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/safety-and-security/padlocks/50140?store=14366&gclid=CjwKCAjwv-GUBhAzEiwASUMm4iecqMnh2Wf-u4ESG6GrpcIeBlfM2LiFIYxBhAsu1U2rQLx1A9rzQxoC3PwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) so get that $2 crap out of here. Installing locks capable of keeping an armed intruder out, while safely letting school children out in the event of an emergency, that can be monitored from multiple locations on every exterior door of every school in the country is a several billion dollar project.

Despite that, I'd probably say spend the money if I thought it was going to keep our kids safe, but it won't. Locks fail. A shooter can tailgate in. A shooter could shoot himself in (unless we're barring all windows too). A shooter can hit the school at recess. A shooter could target a park, a high school football game, a hospital, a mall, a residential neighborhood, a public beach, an office building, hell we had one in a f*cking graveyard earlier today. We can't make our world into an armed fortress, it is impossible. What other countries have proven is that with a little regulation, you can greatly reduce the amount of mass shootings and the casualties per mass shooting.

My daughter is 2 years old. She's not even 2 and a half. We just potty trained her over memorial day weekend. She's just starting to grasp counting. She still needs us to sing her a lullaby bed every night. Last week, she had to participate in an active shooter drill. At f*cking 2 years old. Does that seem normal to you? Is that acceptable that we have reached a point in our society where we would rather teach 2 year olds what to do in the event that a gunman comes in and tries to kill them rather than enact any level of gun control? This past week I have had to come to terms with the fact that every day my daughter goes to school for the next 16 years, there is a not negligible chance that she may be shot at school. Longer if we have another kid. That's not acceptable.

Criminalize AR-15s and their like. Require training, testing, and a license to own a firearm. Ban private sales, require all firearm purchases to go through registered sellers. Require annual mental health screenings for gun owners and that their license be renewed every decade or so. Put in a mandatory month delay between the purchase of and receiving a firearm. Give judges the power to revoke a firearms license with good cause. All of these would be a great start.

I honestly don't know what sources to believe these days, but what's the true data on school shootings public vs private?

[MU82]

I honestly don't know what sources to believe these days, but what's the true data on school shootings public vs private?

Trying to figure out why that matters.

[MuggsyB]

Trying to figure out why that matters.

Maybe they have different security measures? 

[JWags85]

So one door, but multiple emergency exits? Will these emergency exits be magic portals?

FWIW, my HS had 2, maybe 3, emergency exits I recall that had no door handles on outside.  You simply could not open from the outside.

[MU82]

Maybe they have different security measures?

Maybe.

I guess you need to do some googling, Muggs.

[MuggsyB]

Maybe.

I guess you need to do some googling, Muggs.

I think we could do more to secure our schools with electronic systems or what have you.  I can't see us adopting an Israeli model but I think we can learn a few things  about how they operate their doors and locks.

[pacearrow02]

FWIW, my HS had 2, maybe 3, emergency exits I recall that had no door handles on outside.  You simply could not open from the outside.

Otherwise known as MAGIC PORTALS, Pakuni is being intentionally difficult.

[MU82]

Victim in Brooklyn subway shooting sues gun maker Glock

https://apnews.com/article/shootings-new-york-lawsuits-city-56488e48bed6c5e04a24690d98e8a2bb

NEW YORK (AP) — A woman wounded in last month’s mass shooting on a New York City subway filed a lawsuit Tuesday against the maker of the handgun allegedly used in the attack and its parent company, accusing the firearm manufacturer of “reckless disregard for human life.”

[Merit Matters]

Uhhhh ... what happens if the fire is blocking the single school exit?
Burn, baby, burn.

We need common sense fire control NOW!!