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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Jams on November 12, 2016, 07:38:10 PM
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After reading comments on Scoop this week, well I really wanted to get some things off my chest, so here I am. I hope admins will keep it here as I will explain further.
First, let me come out and apologize. For being a hypocrite, offensive and challenging, fill in a bunch of other not so glowing terms. I reached out to Hilltopper, Rocky, and a few others via email two weekends ago and extended my apologies, too...paid some back taxes on internet usage as well...these guys pay the full freight you know. I was (still am) grieving….looking to just be a better person, mend some fences, own some things. I buried my first love on Oct 29, the woman I dated for almost four years in the latter part of high school and first few years Marquette U. Died at age 47, to cancer. She leaves a daughter and a husband. No one ever captured me like she did until my wife and I got together years later. Not close. Not even ballpark close. This was the woman I was going to spend 50 years with. Most beautiful woman I have ever met (inside beauty, outer beauty) and insanely talented musically. Some on this board had the chance to meet her as they were roommates of mine at MU. An amazing woman, 1000’s in the church for the services, she was the liturgical music leader for a large Catholic church here with a voice to blow you away. Taught voice lessons, piano and guitar. An angelic voice….some of you here have heard her as I shared a few links to friends here via email and facebook. Powerful and breathtaking. At age 42 she was diagnosed with lung cancer though she didn’t smoke a day in her life…she battled and things looked good…then 15 months ago it metastasized into brain tumors…now she is gone. Epic loss for the community.
As I told Hilltopper and Rocky, the last few weeks I have done so much soul searching as she was in her final days and since her passing. All the silliness in life, and the BS, the crap at work, the stuff we obsess about, the stuff we fight about….it isn’t worth it. My worst, my absolute worst about me came on this message board….and for that I apologize to you. The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc. Just not good. So vastly different to whom I am in the real world…shy, quiet, speak only when I need to make a point. But not here. UGH. Embarrassing.
About six weeks ago I signed back up on Scoop (because I could technically, it was on an airplane and my IP wasn’t blocked by Scoop…right now I’m at a coffeehouse so I can post, too) to add some color to the Lens’ post about general admission seating for students. That didn’t go well. So that experiment was dead. But I still read here almost daily and the constant attacks between everyone don’t seem to be ending. Whether it is attacks from familiar posters on one another, or new posters. It seems to be getting worse. Election hangover? Not worth it. Not the deamonizing at least. Sounds cliché, but it isn’t worth it. All this anger, attacks, labeling. Aren’t we all Marquette fans and alumni? Sure, our politics might be different, we may not like the sub patterns of the coach, or how a professor was treated, but we have to be more respectful.
I’ll stand up and be the first to admit being an epic hypocrite on this over the years. 100%. OWNING IT! The worst at times. It really should stop. Most of all, can we please stop with the racism charges and come together? Please. It needs to stop nationally, and because this site is a microcosm it needs to stop here, too. The racist charges are hurtful, and I would appeal directly to some here that are still calling people racists. I am guilty of the same here in the past….I’m a hypocrite for using that label in my posts toward others. Shameful. When I read some of the comments this week labeling me and others here…yup, hurtful. My girlfriend who passed, she was mostly Hispanic. Does it matter? It sure didn’t to me…and amazing person and family. Which is why I’m having trouble figuring out how if I’m a racist I would commit 4 years of my life (and ideally would have been the rest of it) to someone not of my race? Or why I would choose to be a minority in the town I live in. Or currently commits to so many friends and colleagues that are African American, Asian, Hispanic, LGBTQ, Muslim, atheist, etc. We really need to tone down the rhetoric. We use this racist label so loosely, and I’m guilty of it, too.
No one here as a vision into someone’s heart. But sometimes we say stuff that is either stupid, or can be construed one way or another. An example, I’m against Sanctuary cities because they are unlawful and for no other reason …and to some, that means I’m a racist. I would disagree, but I get where some people come to the conclusion. The “Traditionals” comment…sigh…nothing to do with race.
All I can do is apologize to those offended, from the heart…deepest apologies. I can’t make you accept my apology, but I do ask for your forgiveness and hope you will understand intent. There are true racists and bigots out there, those that in their heart hate others because of their race, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference, etc.
Ultimately would ask you to come together here, stop the labeling of others. As perhaps one of the biggest purveyors of this crap, I know what it looks like. What we saw daily in this election and continue see in a post election, really needs to stop. Lord knows how many times I said I would never vote for either of these people…and I didn’t. Those that did, already the labeling nonstop of them. Some very good people, voted for people that some of us don’t like….it doesn’t make them racists or bigots. If we keep up this labeling, we are going to destroy this society, our communities, let alone this board. We need to be better. I know I do. I ask that we all do.
Again, my apologies. Very much wanted to get that off my chest. Trying to just be a better person and I know I failed often.
All the best….let’s come together and treat people with common human decency perspective, one that I didn’t do for all too long. Ugh. Doesn’t mean we need to all agree with each other, but we need to stop the name calling and tearing each other apart.
Go Marquette. My heartfelt apologies. Flying up to MKE in January to a few games, would love to say hello to many of you…a few of us have already reached out via email. Until then, be safe, smell the roses, tell the people you care about that you love them, don't take it for granted. Enjoy the sunsets...I took this shot about 10 minutes ago.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14962618_10211420142042518_2993456899145405962_n.jpg?oh=e0227947e42164636618c3fc196212ed&oe=58D13FCE)
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JD, keep your head up, kin. You're good in my book. For every valley, ders a mountain. For every storm, ders a sunrise, ai na?
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rarely does the true persona come thru on these pages. this was chicos! puts his skivies on the same as all of us. you'll always be a scooper my man. stay in touch!
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Fake, keep it.
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After reading comments on Scoop this week, well I really wanted to get some things off my chest, so here I am. I hope admins will keep it here as I will explain further.
First, let me come out and apologize. For being a hypocrite, offensive and challenging, fill in a bunch of other not so glowing terms. I reached out to Hilltopper, Rocky, and a few others via email two weekends ago and extended my apologies, too...paid some back taxes on internet usage as well...these guys pay the full freight you know. I was (still am) grieving….looking to just be a better person, mend some fences, own some things. I buried my first love on Oct 29, the woman I dated for almost four years in the latter part of high school and first few years Marquette U. Died at age 47, to cancer. She leaves a daughter and a husband. No one ever captured me like she did until my wife and I got together years later. Not close. Not even ballpark close. This was the woman I was going to spend 50 years with. Most beautiful woman I have ever met (inside beauty, outer beauty) and insanely talented musically. Some on this board had the chance to meet her as they were roommates of mine at MU. An amazing woman, 1000’s in the church for the services, she was the liturgical music leader for a large Catholic church here with a voice to blow you away. Taught voice lessons, piano and guitar. An angelic voice….some of you here have heard her as I shared a few links to friends here via email and facebook. Powerful and breathtaking. At age 42 she was diagnosed with lung cancer though she didn’t smoke a day in her life…she battled and things looked good…then 15 months ago it metastasized into brain tumors…now she is gone. Epic loss for the community.
As I told Hilltopper and Rocky, the last few weeks I have done so much soul searching as she was in her final days and since her passing. All the silliness in life, and the BS, the crap at work, the stuff we obsess about, the stuff we fight about….it isn’t worth it. My worst, my absolute worst about me came on this message board….and for that I apologize to you. The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc. Just not good. So vastly different to whom I am in the real world…shy, quiet, speak only when I need to make a point. But not here. UGH. Embarrassing.
About six weeks ago I signed back up on Scoop (because I could technically, it was on an airplane and my IP wasn’t blocked by Scoop…right now I’m at a coffeehouse so I can post, too) to add some color to the Lens’ post about general admission seating for students. That didn’t go well. So that experiment was dead. But I still read here almost daily and the constant attacks between everyone don’t seem to be ending. Whether it is attacks from familiar posters on one another, or new posters. It seems to be getting worse. Election hangover? Not worth it. Not the deamonizing at least. Sounds cliché, but it isn’t worth it. All this anger, attacks, labeling. Aren’t we all Marquette fans and alumni? Sure, our politics might be different, we may not like the sub patterns of the coach, or how a professor was treated, but we have to be more respectful.
I’ll stand up and be the first to admit being an epic hypocrite on this over the years. 100%. OWNING IT! The worst at times. It really should stop. Most of all, can we please stop with the racism charges and come together? Please. It needs to stop nationally, and because this site is a microcosm it needs to stop here, too. The racist charges are hurtful, and I would appeal directly to some here that are still calling people racists. I am guilty of the same here in the past….I’m a hypocrite for using that label in my posts toward others. Shameful. When I read some of the comments this week labeling me and others here…yup, hurtful. My girlfriend who passed, she was mostly Hispanic. Does it matter? It sure didn’t to me…and amazing person and family. Which is why I’m having trouble figuring out how if I’m a racist I would commit 4 years of my life (and ideally would have been the rest of it) to someone not of my race? Or why I would choose to be a minority in the town I live in. Or currently commits to so many friends and colleagues that are African American, Asian, Hispanic, LGBTQ, Muslim, atheist, etc. We really need to tone down the rhetoric. We use this racist label so loosely, and I’m guilty of it, too.
No one here as a vision into someone’s heart. But sometimes we say stuff that is either stupid, or can be construed one way or another. An example, I’m against Sanctuary cities because they are unlawful and for no other reason …and to some, that means I’m a racist. I would disagree, but I get where some people come to the conclusion. The “Traditionals” comment…sigh…nothing to do with race.
All I can do is apologize to those offended, from the heart…deepest apologies. I can’t make you accept my apology, but I do ask for your forgiveness and hope you will understand intent. There are true racists and bigots out there, those that in their heart hate others because of their race, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference, etc.
Ultimately would ask you to come together here, stop the labeling of others. As perhaps one of the biggest purveyors of this crap, I know what it looks like. What we saw daily in this election and continue see in a post election, really needs to stop. Lord knows how many times I said I would never vote for either of these people…and I didn’t. Those that did, already the labeling nonstop of them. Some very good people, voted for people that some of us don’t like….it doesn’t make them racists or bigots. If we keep up this labeling, we are going to destroy this society, our communities, let alone this board. We need to be better. I know I do. I ask that we all do.
Again, my apologies. Very much wanted to get that off my chest. Trying to just be a better person and I know I failed often.
All the best….let’s come together and treat people with common human decency perspective, one that I didn’t do for all too long. Ugh. Doesn’t mean we need to all agree with each other, but we need to stop the name calling and tearing each other apart.
Go Marquette. My heartfelt apologies. Flying up to MKE in January to a few games, would love to say hello to many of you…a few of us have already reached out via email. Until then, be safe, smell the roses, tell the people you care about that you love them, don't take it for granted. Enjoy the sunsets...I took this shot about 10 minutes ago.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14962618_10211420142042518_2993456899145405962_n.jpg?oh=e0227947e42164636618c3fc196212ed&oe=58D13FCE)
I agree with this analysis. Welcome back.
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Very sorry for your loss. I always had respect for you, but mad respect for owning your faults. Hope things look up from here.
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Sincerest condolences for your loss.
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Thanks chicos.
Wouldn't it be nice if our scoop family could find a way to come together more often rather than tear each other down? Maybe that's a free ticket for a friend if they're in town visiting on gameday. Maybe that's a beer together at halftime. Maybe that's a networking opportunity for a young grad. Maybe 100 other things.
I'd like that world.
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Condolences for your loss.
I'm certainly willing to give you a "we'll see." For the record, I also give myself a "we'll see" pretty much every day, and not just regarding Scoop posts.
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Jams, at your best you are witty and insightful and compassionate. I have been anti you returning. No more. I am going to choose to believe you are sincere. Good luck, God bless, and I am sorry for your loss.
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Didn't want to include this with my earlier post.
Re racism ...
Ever since our president-elect's comments about the Mexican judge and Paul Ryan's reaction to it -- calling the comment the "textbook definition of racism" -- I have been trying to figure out if there is a difference between a racist and a person who sometimes makes racist comments.
How many racist comments does one have to make to be, officially, a racist? Can one be "a little racist" or "an occasional racist"?
Donald Sterling's girlfriend was, IIRC, black and Mexican. Sterling also occasionally gave to charities that helped causes of minorities. Yet those who knew him said he was a raging racist, often went on rants against minorities he didn't like, etc. Finally, he was caught on tape, exposing his true self to everybody.
Obviously, one can be romantically involved with a person of a race or nationality or religion one despises and/or disrespects. I mean, look at all the slave owners who were involved with their slaves. It's why the "I have black friends" or "my girlfriend is Hispanic" isn't an automatic defense against racism. Not applying this to your case, Jams, just pointing out the obvious.
Racial issues are extremely complex, very serious. I try not to throw the word "racist" around casually, try to apply it rarely and only when I think it really, truly applies (as is the case with our president-elect). But I'm sure I haven't always succeeded there.
Peace. Time to go to the Panthers game!
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I think you guys are getting played.
Chicos has mentioned that he has a son many times, yet there is no mention of a son being left behind in OP. Just a daughter and husband...
Rather large oversight don't you think?
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His wife didn't pass away. His first love did, who he specifically mentions being his girlfriend in high school and first couple years at Marquette.
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I think you guys are getting played.
Chicos has mentioned that he has a son many times, yet there is no mention of a son being left behind in OP. Just a daughter and husband...
Rather large oversight don't you think?
Sultan answered the part about the daughter.
But like you, I think we are all being played. I just go back to a PM he sent to me that started out as an apology - shockingly - but then turned into one of the nastiest things I have ever read in my life. In my mind, he is just desperate for the attention he received on this board.
If some choose to accept the apology, that is fine. I have no problem with that at all.
But for my part, if he comes back, I will keep him on ignore.
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I am sorry for your loss, Jams.
For years I've tried to reconcile the decent, kind, generous guy I've known for 25+ years and this Chicos character. It's never made any sense to me at all. I think my old friend would be a great addition to this board, but I'm perfectly happy that Chicos is gone (and sincerely wish people would stop talking about him). The problem is, I honestly don't know whether we can get the one without the other.
Again, sorry for your loss and hope you're well. I'll keep seeing you around on Facebook. Somehow, that other guy doesn't seem to have made his way over there.
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Welp I'm down with this.
Matthew 18: 21-22
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
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I wasn't going to respond, but looks like I didn't clarify a few things.
ATL, my wife is fine. She's had her medical stuff over the years, but minor. You are correct, I have a son and a daughter. My son is a senior, decided the other day to apply to Marquette. We'll see. Daughter is a freshman in HS. The daughter I mentioned last night was her daughter, not mine. Sorry if that was confusing. I've had two real loves in my life, though certainly been fortunate enough to have been in other relationships that were great with wonderful women, but the two real loves are my wife and my girlfriend that I mentioned. Crushing blow a few weeks ago. What an insanely good person she was.
Additionally, I'm not asking back to the board. If it happens, ok, but that really wasn't my point. Call it what you will, cathartic or wanting to get some things off my chest, etc.
Too many hyper charged things out there, in my opinion, that get misconstrued or labeled incorrectly for lots of different reasons. Not worth it. Too many hunkered down positions on various sides that will interpret things the way they will, and very little wiggle room...just not worth it and too many good people being dragged and labeled, which I find unfortunate. I think we can all do better, I know I am going to try like crazy.
Cheers
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Welp I'm down with this.
Matthew 18: 21-22
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
More power to you, Sultan. You're a better man than I.
I try to forgive anyone who is honest in their contrition - just as I hope others would forgive me. But, there is a long, long, long track record that makes me think this is just one more ploy.
I will instead defer to the Dennis Green defense. Just substitute "he" for "they".
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I wasn't going to respond, but looks like I didn't clarify a few things.
I say this with the affection of having known and liked you for 25+ years: this sentence, in a nutshell, is why Chicos is banned. The inability to resist the urge to "clarify" things. No clarification was needed. Everyone - save one, apparently -- got it.
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Welp I'm down with this.
Matthew 18: 21-22
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
I like this response, but then I wonder whether anyone really needs to be forgiven for stupid rantings amid a sea of stupid rantings on an online message board.
I'm glad to hear that real life Chicos has little in common with online Chicos. I'm sure that's true of all of us to one degree or another. At least I hope so. Except 4ever ... I hope he's exactly like that in real life.
I love and am thankful for the community built around Scoop and feel like I "know" many of you. I sometimes need to remind myself I really don't (at least that I know of) and what's presented here may be quite a bit different from the person behind the screen name. Ultimately, this is one tiny corner of the internet where we inanely debate trivial - and sometimes not trivial - issues. We probably shouldn't make any more of it than that.
I don't care one way or the other whether the mods allow Chicos back into the fold. If he's back, fine. If he's back in a less acerbic, less baiting, less agitating form, even better. That could be said for many of us.
Inasmuch as Chicos suffered a loss and is hurting, my condolences to him.
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Jams, at your best you are witty and insightful and compassionate. I have been anti you returning. No more. I am going to choose to believe you are sincere. Good luck, God bless, and I am sorry for your loss.
that was really cool! if i'm chicos, i'm cryin like a baby
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I say this with the affection of having known and liked you for 25+ years: this sentence, in a nutshell, is why Chicos is banned. The inability to resist the urge to "clarify" things. No clarification was needed. Everyone - save one, apparently -- got it.
i get this, but to be fair, clarifying this and "resisting the urge to clarify" the "hot button" stuff is oranges and bratwurst. i guess i'm just choosing to stay in the moment. if chicos can do this-exhibit some real humility, expose his most vulnerable self, he's setting a great example for all of us. we may or may not be able to get to that next level and experience the coolest form of living amends
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i get this, but to be fair, clarifying this and "resisting the urge to clarify" the "hot button" stuff is oranges and bratwurst. i guess i'm just choosing to stay in the moment. if chicos can do this-exhibit some real humility, expose his most vulnerable self, he's setting a great example for all of us. we may or may not be able to get to that next level and experience the coolest form of living amends
I get that, and I agree completely. I wasn't suggesting there was the problem with the post I was replying to. Just a reminder - for all of us including myself - that sometimes it's ok to resist the urge to respond.
I also intended it to be slightly humorous. Probably missed the mark.
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Lessons in personal responsibility are always good. The above is not one of them.
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Welcome back, Jams. I don't always agree with you, in fact you can be maddeningly infuriating, but you make Scoop a better place.
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Welcome back, Jams. I don't always agree with you, in fact you can be maddeningly infuriating, but you make Scoop a better place.
I happen to disagree, Crash. I have enjoyed Scoop much more without chicos (and Ners and a few other irritants).
Now, maybe Jams will be one we can enjoy; this was a good start. If he gets back on, we'll see.
Chicos? Good effen riddance.
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Very infrequent poster here. I posted just the other day because it appeared to be a chicos free zone for once.
While I think its good for chicos that he can reflect and see his actions it remains true that he held this board hostage for years and in my humble opinion destroyed the board.
Now I am sorry he had a loss and and glad he has done some soul searching, however, his character has been revealed for the better part of a decade. I hope one days clarity doesnt cause everyone to forget this.
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Norm, is dat you, hey?
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Very infrequent poster here. I posted just the other day because it appeared to be a chicos free zone for once.
While I think its good for chicos that he can reflect and see his actions it remains true that he held this board hostage for years and in my humble opinion destroyed the board.
Now I am sorry he had a loss and and glad he has done some soul searching, however, his character has been revealed for the better part of a decade. I hope one days clarity doesnt cause everyone to forget this.
+1
Wish him the best and hope all works out for the best but if you're constantly going back to a situation and being told it's now toxic........it may be you.
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Jams, we've had our disagreements over the years. Your apology seems sincere. I will leave it up to the mods as to whether your ban gets lifted or not, but if it does we can start fresh again. Let me know when you're at the BC this year, and if I'm there I'd like to buy you a beer at halftime.
I'm sorry for your loss. I know that first loves are definitely real, even if it is not the person you end up marrying.
Be well. Go MU.
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We all have an inner Chicos. We all can be self important, argumentative, obnoxious. We all can be preachers who would rather prove (LOL) how smart we are than listen to someone else and maybe learn something. We all can be needy, seeking self approval - and angry when we don't get it. I could go on (and on) but enough.
Some have conquered their inner Chicos - good for them. Others (present company included) are works in progress. Chico's note suggests he'd like to join group #2. That takes a humility and self awareness that has been mostly absent in his postings. I think that's something worth celebrating. So...
Sorry for your loss Chico, and if it's OK with the Mods, welcome back. Your need (desire?) to make yourself and your personal life the epicenter of your Epiphany makes me a little squirmy, but maybe that's just me.
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Very infrequent poster here. I posted just the other day because it appeared to be a chicos free zone for once.
While I think its good for chicos that he can reflect and see his actions it remains true that he held this board hostage for years and in my humble opinion destroyed the board.
Now I am sorry he had a loss and and glad he has done some soul searching, however, his character has been revealed for the better part of a decade. I hope one days clarity doesnt cause everyone to forget this.
Seconded. I offer Chicos my genuine condolences--losing someone with whom you are (or were) close can be reality-shaking and I'm truly sorry for your loss.
I do think that's a different issue than being a part of this little community here. I haven't posted much over the years because I'd see every thread devolve into name-calling and emotional BS-ing. And at the heart of every one of those devolutions was Chicos. Just see the post-election thread the mods let run less than a week ago...for hours and pages full of comments, we had an impassioned but civil dialogue about something big that happened. When did that change? When Chicos arrived, shamelessly pretending to be a black man living in Madison so he could get some leverage in a debate on race (weird and vile conduct that really bothered me and should bother you too). Chicos, when you feel obligated to pretend you're black to support your position on race, you might want to re-think your position.
And that's only re-enforced today. What started as a poignant post about grief and perspective turned into defensive posturing and coded finger-pointing. We've seen this for a decade. I'll happily have a beer with the real life guy behind Chicos...seriously, I'll be in town for a game or two so feel free to PM me. But, to the extent this thread is a referendum on whether to allow Chicos (or Jams, or Hoopaloop, or RahRah, or badgerhoney) back, my vote is this: the little community is better off without it.
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Tragic as it may be, how did Mrs. Hoopaloop react to you going off the rails at the death of your former girlfriend?
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Sincerely sorry for your loss.
Having said that, if I'm ever at a crossroads in my life and questioning what's really important in life, sorry, but I'm probably focusing more on spending quality, loving time with my family and close friends. While I truly do enjoy the community of MU basketball nerds like myself, if I ever get to the point in my life where I think only the worst and darkest parts of me come out on an internet forum and I'm trying to leave those dark parts of me behind, I'm probably saying "adios" to that forum of a bunch of people I've never met, especially if that forum has already attempted to make me say "adios" a number of times before.
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When Chicos arrived, shamelessly pretending to be a black man living in Madison so he could get some leverage in a debate on race (weird and vile conduct that really bothered me and should bother you too).
whaaaat? that it too grand. can someone please confirm that, or link to the post if still up?
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Tragic as it may be, how did Mrs. Hoopaloop react to you going off the rails at the death of your former girlfriend?
+1000. seriously
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whaaaat? that it too grand. can someone please confirm that, or link to the post if still up?
I wouldn't normally take the bait but it was a really terrible thing to say and do (and it isn't the only example, just the worst). It's like a bad comedy bit except Chicos was dead serious:
Do you speak for the AA community? My wife and I are part of today's black America. We live in the US, in a white state and a white city, but are minorities. The media does not like to talk to people like me, an educated African American man who doesn't vote or conform the way I am expected to. They don't like my views typically, or those of Mr. Thomas, Dr. Carson, Mr. Elder, Mr. Sowell, Mr. Watts, Ms. Rice, because it doesn't allow their agenda to be played.
This does not mean there is work that needs to be done, but it is time for a different approach. The current approach is the same as the last approach since the 1960's. It keeps people in poverty, by design. If ever there was a book for you to read. Please Stop Helping Us. How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed. We know you mean well, but you perpetuate the problem.
What you rarely read in the media is the perspective if slavery never happened in this country. We have all read about the atrocities of slavery and no one can pretend they didn't happen. A human tragedy. However, did it also ultimately lead to prosperity for people of color in the long run? Would my ancestors have remained in Africa and never materialized here in the new world without slavery? Where would millions of African Americans be that have some of the highest standards of living and education in the world if they never left the Congo, Nigeria, Angola, Gabon, Ghana, Senegal and Gambia? Those from Jamaica or other island nations? The educated African American community has debated this, and we know the evil of slavery also led to opportunities likely impossible without it. We know 620,000 Union men died for our freedom. We know racism exists still, but the level it is perpetuated at is used as a tool to drive an agenda. To magnify remote instances to outrage voters and keep the money flowing. Call me Uncle, it will not be the last.
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" When Chicos arrived, shamelessly pretending to be a black man living in Madison so he could get some leverage in a debate on race (weird and vile conduct that really bothered me and should bother you too). Chicos, when you feel obligated to pretend you're black to support your position on race, you might want to re-think your position. "
source please!
"And that's only re-enforced today. What started as a poignant post about grief and perspective turned into defensive posturing and coded finger-pointing. We've seen this for a decade."
that was nasty
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"Seconded. I offer Chicos my genuine condolences--losing someone with whom you are (or were) close can be reality-shaking and I'm truly sorry for your loss."
i'll leave the beer summit part up to chicos/jams---cue in the serenity prayer. God knows that i need it right now
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Tragic as it may be, how did Mrs. Hoopaloop react to you going off the rails at the death of your former girlfriend?
My wife's first serious boyfriend was ver sick a couple years ago and she went and spent some time with him. He got better and they text back and forth occasionally now.
None of this bothers me. We've been married 27 years. I'm secure in my relationship.
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My wife's first serious boyfriend was ver sick a couple years ago and she went and spent some time with him. He got better and they text back and forth occasionally now.
None of this bothers me. We've been married 27 years. I'm secure in my relationship.
Ain't it wonderful to have a relationship like that? Ours is the same. Either one of us could deal with something like this in our own way and the other would be fine with it.
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My wife's first serious boyfriend was ver sick a couple years ago and she went and spent some time with him. He got better and they text back and forth occasionally now.
None of this bothers me. We've been married 27 years. I'm secure in my relationship.
Sultan - I totally get what you say and agree.
But if she had returned from her visit saying he was (along with you) the love of her life, the most beautiful person (inside and out) that she'd ever met and someone who ideally she would have shared her life with - you'd be OK with that?
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Sultan - I totally get what you say and agree.
But if she had returned from her visit saying he was (along with you) the love of her life, the most beautiful person (inside and out) that she'd ever met and someone who ideally she would have shared her life with - you'd be OK with that?
Well yeah he did go a bit overboard...
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I'd be pretty surprised if the majority of this board haven't dealt with a death that wasn't very, very significant to them personally. How many of them took that out on other people?
I get that you're going through hard times right now, but that does not excuse literally anything you've done on this board. I respect your mea culpa, but your failure to respond in kind is something you've railed against for years. Where does personal responsibility and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps work into this?
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Tragic as it may be, how did Mrs. Hoopaloop react to you going off the rails at the death of your former girlfriend?
My wife knew how much I loved her, but she knows even more how much I love her....many years of marriage, two children, rock solid. My wife is also the best thing that ever happened to me. She's been amazing in all of this and we saw my girlfriend when she was sick the first bout of cancer. When you have a rock solid relationship built on trust and love, this stuff doesn't get in the way at all.
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I had to objectives here, and that was it.
1) Apologize, get some things off my chest. Own up to some things.
2) Hopefully get people to stop with the racist stuff, which is so inapprorpriate.
I wish you all well. I don't want to see a bunch of people creating accounts like some have just to respond here. Or claim I am some Badger fan or whatever. I wish you all well. Keefe, 4ever, Rocket, etc...thanks for emails. All the best. Hope to see you in January....I won't be back, that was never my intent.
Cheers.
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My wife knew how much I loved her, but she knows even more how much I love her....many years of marriage, two children, rock solid. My wife is also the best thing that ever happened to me. She's been amazing in all of this and we saw my girlfriend when she was sick the first bout of cancer. When you have a rock solid relationship built on trust and love, this stuff doesn't get in the way at all.
Does your wife not think it's super unnatural carnal knowledgeing weird you still call her your girlfriend?
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Does your wife not think it's super unnatural carnal knowledgeing weird you still call her your girlfriend?
And how, does "the girlfriend's" husband feel about this? I'm trying to recall a stranger thread in the glorious history of muscopp.
This is PRN, by the way. I'm having password issues. Also, my girlfriend from junior high just found out she has clyamydia and I'm a bit of a wreck.
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And how, does "the girlfriend's" husband feel about this? I'm trying to recall a stranger thread in the glorious history of muscopp.
This is PRN, by the way. I'm having password issues. Also, my girlfriend from junior high just found out she has clyamydia and I'm a bit of a wreck.
Seriously, what is wrong with you people? And how do comments like this make you any better than Chicos?
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Seriously, what is wrong with you people? And how do comments like this make you any better than Chicos?
I've been in this camp for a long time. People loved fueling the fire and then playing the victim card time and time again. A lot more at fault than just Chicos over the years.
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Seriously, what is wrong with you people? And how do comments like this make you any better than Chicos?
Methinks it is merely mockery for chicas trying to grab attention again. Sometimes we forget it is all about him and he needs to remind us.
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Seriously, what is wrong with you people? And how do comments like this make you any better than Chicos?
Because I am not pretending to be an African American from Madison?
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Methinks it is merely mockery for chicas trying to grab attention again.
Then stop giving it to him.
And again, show some compassion. Even if he is playing us, being nice to people isn't really a bad thing.
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Seriously, what is wrong with you people? And how do comments like this make you any better than Chicos?
My sentiments exactly. No wonder this site is called MUScoop. The mods need a pretty big scooper to clean up the "personal SH!T" that some take offense to here. As he said he is not coming back; so let's end it.
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And how, does "the girlfriend's" husband feel about this? I'm trying to recall a stranger thread in the glorious history of muscopp.
This is PRN, by the way. I'm having password issues. Also, my girlfriend from junior high just found out she has clyamydia and I'm a bit of a wreck.
My wife's brother is divorced. His ex remarried and to this day not only are he and his ex still close, but the new husband and him are best friends. You make it sound like it is difficult or even strange to be friends. This concept happens daily. How many wives do you know that are quite good friends with their husband's ex wife? Countless times. What do you know about any of this situation, anyway?
Your second sentence is appalling. PRN, you should be ban hammered for a little while for such a low blow.
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My wife knew how much I loved her, but she knows even more how much I love her....many years of marriage, two children, rock solid. My wife is also the best thing that ever happened to me. She's been amazing in all of this and we saw my girlfriend when she was sick the first bout of cancer. When you have a rock solid relationship built on trust and love, this stuff doesn't get in the way at all.
No need to defend it. Sorry for you loss. Four years is a long time and assuming you remained friends years later, the pain must be strong. It should be no surprise at some of the people here that are lacking in compassion and sympathy. Cowardly. Keep God close to you and you will find your way. Remember your friend, and keep your family closest to you during these times.
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How many wives do you know that are quite good friends with their husband's ex wife? Countless times.
Off the top of my head, none.
Maybe it's a California "thing".
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No need to defend it. Sorry for you loss. Four years is a long time and assuming you remained friends years later, the pain must be strong. It should be no surprise at some of the people here that are lacking in compassion and sympathy. Cowardly. Keep God close to you and you will find your way. Remember your friend, and keep your family closest to you during these times.
Chicos, you stayed off the site for what, 8 hours? And then start a message thread between you and...you. This feels like watching someone's online personae completely unravel.
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Chicos, I hope you consider help or counseling. No sarcasm or ill will intended here. I am hoping the mods close the thread.
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Truly sorry for your loss. Still don't like you.
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[As Scoop's resident bridge-dwelling cynic, failing to speak up on this topic would be a gratuitous act of malfeasance.]
If I should ever happen to post on Scoop at some point that my wife just offered me the opportunity for a threesome with her and one of my ex-girlfriends of her choice, at that moment all of you will then know that your very existence is merely the creation of my subconscious.
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Ok chicos you have said your peace (as delusional and warped as that is) now please go away. It would appear a few people care, maybe, the rest of us dont. Your recent honeybadger rants and lies and this latest babble only reinforces to me, and I am sure most others why u are almost universally disliked on this board. Quite frankly, you ruin it. I dont know what your issues are, im sure it would take a phd in psychiatry to even begin to...
Nevertheless, seems you came on to attempt to explain and only further perpetuated what you are.
Moderators please ban this scourge.
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Because I am not pretending to be an African American from Madison?
totally agree with chick-you guys are brutal. honeybadger and all the others were NOT chicos. it was a troll trying to sound like him so you guys would think it was him. so unless you know for sure, which you don't, knock it off! i spoke to him specifically about those posts and they weren't him-why would he lie to me as he has no plans trying to get back on the board. he knows one little slip or msg that comes across the wrong way, he'll get bombed-not worth his or anyone's time. you guys who are gloating, thinking karma and all that b.s., fine, hope ya feel better
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totally agree with chick-you guys are brutal. honeybadger and all the others were NOT chicos. it was a troll trying to sound like him so you guys would think it was him. so unless you know for sure, which you don't, knock it off! i spoke to him specifically about those posts and they weren't him-why would he lie to me as he has no plans trying to get back on the board. he knows one little slip or msg that comes across the wrong way, he'll get bombed-not worth his or anyone's time. you guys who are gloating, thinking karma and all that b.s., fine, hope ya feel better
Are you familiar with the concept of occam's razor?
Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
Here we have two hypotheses:
1) After being banned, Chicos created another screen name, as he has admitted to doing many times in the past, to continue the exact same types of political discussions he never could resist.
2) A different forum member, with no vested interest in doing so, created another screen name and tried to sound like Chicos pretending to be an African American in Madison, because he wanted other people to think he was Chicos, for no reason.
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Why can't we all just fookin' get along, hey?
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Are you familiar with the concept of occam's razor?
Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
Here we have two hypotheses:
1) After being banned, Chicos created another screen name, as he has admitted to doing many times in the past, to continue the exact same types of political discussions he never could resist.
2) A different forum member, with no vested interest in doing so, created another screen name and tried to sound like Chicos pretending to be an African American in Madison, because he wanted other people to think he was Chicos, for no reason.
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Mods please lock this thread!
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Are you familiar with the concept of occam's razor?
Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
Here we have two hypotheses:
1) After being banned, Chicos created another screen name, as he has admitted to doing many times in the past, to continue the exact same types of political discussions he never could resist.
2) A different forum member, with no vested interest in doing so, created another screen name and tried to sound like Chicos pretending to be an African American in Madison, because he wanted other people to think he was Chicos, for no reason.
fine-you can go with that if it makes you feel better.
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Mods please lock this thread!
Why? Don't read it.
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Or just "Report to moderator" and express your concerns. Very simple.
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Merritts' is in the 'GIF zone', simply nailing it. please don't lock it, i want to see what's next.
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Or just "Report to moderator" and express your concerns. Very simple.
Meh... better off pissing in the wind. I've been reporting Topper and Rocky for years but nothing ever happens.
Maybe if we all start reporting Rocky and Topper's posts with regularity we can finally get some action.
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Meh... better off pissing in the wind. I've been reporting Topper and Rocky for years but nothing ever happens.
Maybe if we all start reporting Rocky and Topper's posts with regularity we can finally get some action.
My vote is for Benny for Moderator Emeritus
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Meh... better off pissing in the wind. I've been reporting Topper and Rocky for years but nothing ever happens.
Are you kidding me!? We take those very seriously. In fact, last time you reported one of us, we banned FIVE users with less than 20 posts!
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Are you kidding me!? We take those very seriously. In fact, last time you reported one of us, we banned FIVE users with less than 20 posts!
Read it again, Rocky, the posters he was reporting were Rocky and Topper.
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Read it again, Rocky, the posters he was reporting were Rocky and Topper.
Read it again, Chick. (With a sense of humor, this time.)
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This has become a joyless place.
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This has become a joyless place.
And the acoustics suck!
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Are you kidding me!? We take those very seriously. In fact, last time you reported one of us, we banned FIVE users with less than 20 posts!
Ah. The old Kentucky/western Kentucky situation
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Ah,what the hell.
Jigs or spinners......discuss
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Are you kidding me!? We take those very seriously. In fact, last time you reported one of us, we banned FIVE users with less than 20 posts!
This is why you need to post of who's banned and who's been placed on ignore. 8-)
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This is why you need to post of who's banned and who's been placed on ignore. 8-)
Agreed... bring back the ignore numbers. Pay the extra $0.03 per month. Details would be nice, too... I want to see whose lists I'm on.
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Agreed... bring back the ignore numbers. Pay the extra $0.03 per month. Details would be nice, too... I want to see whose lists I'm on.
+1. That was a great feature.
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+1. That was a great feature.
Yup. +1
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Yup. +1
Ok Wocky, we got a consensus. Get er done.
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This new age era is too crazy. We must be refined, and step back to a more traditional perspective on life, ainal?
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So...just read this thread and it confirms the thesis that 97% of all Scoop threads spiral out of control beginning at page 1.65.
Nonetheless, thanks, Chicos, and best of luck as you work on yourself.
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So...just read this thread and it confirms the thesis that 97% of all Scoop threads spiral out of control beginning at page 1.65.
Only during fishing season.
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man the internet can get weird...
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Move to "The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread"?
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Once Keefe posts a Patton meme in here and Ners writes something positive about Magic Dawson we should be able to turn off the lights and close up shop on this thread.
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I appreciate everything that was said. Everyone deserves a second chance... besides Jeronne Maymon's dad.
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Ah,what the hell.
Jigs or spinners......discuss
I say spinners. Good for all types of fish, pretty much all fishing conditions. Yeah, spinners for sure.
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i once caught a muskie with a grub worm on a #8, scooped(no pun) him onto pontoon boat deck, it flooped off the hook and back in to the water. taking a break from casting-didn't expect to need the net :-[ upper eau claire lake, barnes, wi so my vote is grub worms
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Chick was once reeling in a nice crappie (#2 Jig-n-minnow) when a Uugge muskie came up from the deep along the starboard side and essentially swallowed chick's catch whole. Looked up at us in the boat, laughed, and snapped that 4 pound test like it was dental floss. Still her favorite fishing story.
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Chick was once reeling in a nice crappie (#2 Jig-n-minnow) when a Uugge muskie came up from the deep along the starboard side and essentially swallowed chick's catch whole. Looked up at us in the boat, laughed, and snapped that 4 pound test like it was dental floss. Still her favorite fishing story.
That's not quite the story. I reeled my crappie in, but there was a big bite taken out of it.
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That's not quite the story. I reeled my crappie in, but there was a big bite taken out of it.
TMI
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i once caught a muskie with a grub worm on a #8, scooped(no pun) him onto pontoon boat deck, it flooped off the hook and back in to the water. taking a break from casting-didn't expect to need the net :-[ upper eau claire lake, barnes, wi so my vote is grub worms
I used to fish Middle Eau Claire a lot. Possible record muskie out of there.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-06-17/sports/8702140777_1_bob-kutz-freshwater-fish
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Incredibly, I lived in Wisconsin for 6 years and Minnesota for 10 years and I have yet to either fish or hunt. What are the odds of that?
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God help me but I love it so...
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That's not quite the story. I reeled my crappie in, but there was a big bite taken out of it.
When I was living in Singapore a man was bitten in the jewels by a snake while sitting on the commode.
"According to a 1993 article in Singapore newspaper The Straits Times, headlined “Former National Athlete Bitten by Snake in Toilet,” a former shot-put champion was bitten on the testicles by an 8-foot python while sitting down to relieve himself. The bite was not poisonous, but the 43-year-old man was taken to the hospital to receive stitches."
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I used to fish Middle Eau Claire a lot. Possible record muskie out of there.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-06-17/sports/8702140777_1_bob-kutz-freshwater-fish
middle had some nice walleye, easier to catch than upper for some odd reason. been hitting middle since the late 60's(knee high to a grasshopper). also, they were known for their smallies as they had a huge crayfish population. have a joint on upper since '92. all 3 lakes(lower, middle, upper) are known for their nice muskie-ya just have to go get 'em. it's too bad the buck n bass hole pub and eatery went down the chitter, 'ey-million dollar view!
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God help me but I love it so...
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Has this always been a gif with the smoke in the background or have you upgraded your Patton game?
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Off the top of my head, none.
Maybe it's a California "thing".
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http://dallas.citymomsblog.com/how-to-be-best-friends-with-your-husbands-ex/
More like a human thing. They are called blended families, or bonus families. Quite common, especially when kids are involved. Remember, that ex wife is the mother of your husband's children. Not everyone can pull it off do to jealousies.
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Why can't we all just fookin' get along, hey?
Well said, but after reading some of the things here I guess Christianity missed a few beats. Forgiveness out the door. Accusations without proof in vogue. Casting stones.
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At this point, I am starting to doubt the sincerity or longevity of your contrition. I suspect I am not alone in this.
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More like a human thing. They are called blended families, or bonus families. Quite common, especially when kids are involved. Remember, that ex wife is the mother of your husband's children. Not everyone can pull it off do to jealousies.
Of course, especially when discussing the nature of a relationship with an ex. But an old girlfriend without kids involved might be a little different thing, and I'm not commenting at all on the Chicos matter that got this discussion started.
I can't imagine anyone objecting to an ongoing, supportive relationship between the divorced parents of minor children. That's to be absolutely encouraged. But no doubt the second spouse understood that was part of the deal going in. At least one would hope.
It can be a delicate situation in the case of an old girlfriend. We have an acquaintance who is now divorced because her former husband decided to 'take up' with his girlfriend from their youth via Facebook when that was a new resource. Things progressed in a way that ended up breaking up a family. I don't think you would think that was healthy or appropriate.
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Of course, especially when discussing the nature of a relationship with an ex. But an old girlfriend without kids involved might be a little different thing, and I'm not commenting at all on the Chicos matter that got this discussion started.
I can't imagine anyone objecting to an ongoing, supportive relationship between the divorced parents of minor children. That's to be absolutely encouraged. But no doubt the second spouse understood that was part of the deal going in. At least one would hope.
It can be a delicate situation in the case of an old girlfriend. We have an acquaintance who is now divorced because her former husband decided to 'take up' with his girlfriend from their youth via Facebook when that was a new resource. Things progressed in a way that ended up breaking up a family. I don't think you would think that was healthy or appropriate.
Funny you say that. The same exact thing happened to my cousin. His wife connected with an old boyfriend on Facebook. She eventually went out on my cousin, quickly divorced him and quickly married the old boyfriend. In the twist, his ex-wife and the old boyfriend were divorced less than 2 years later.
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Funny you say that. The same exact thing happened to my cousin. His wife connected with an old boyfriend on Facebook. She eventually went out on my cousin, quickly divorced him and quickly married the old boyfriend. In the twist, his ex-wife and the old boyfriend were divorced less than 2 years later.
I was just going to respond to the last paragraph of glow's post by saying that most people's experience with an old boy/girlfriend in a married couple's picture was exactly that. Thank you for corroborating my point.
I had a friend when I was in my early teens whose parents were divorced, both had remarried, and everybody got along great (which was kind of a foreign experience for me as far as divorces went). In any event, turns out that his mother ended up getting it on with her HS sweetheart (who was also married at the time). So his parents divorced, his mother married the HS sweetheart, and about a year later his father ended up marrying the HS sweetheart's ex-wife.
I came to find out all of this several years later after everyone ended up divorced again; big surprise there. Lost touch with my friend, but also wouldn't be surprised if he's doing a dime at FMC-RST right now.... I didn't know him before all this went down, but he was always a few fries short of a happy meal. Hopefully he got his head on straight, because something like that may not have any immediate effects, but if left unaddressed, pretty good chance the cycle will repeat itself when the kids grow up.
Granted, I'm sure there are marriages out there with a boy/girlfriend in the picture that are working out just fine, but I would say of those that haven't blown up, if you listen closely, pretty good chance you'll hear ticking in the background in many of them.
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BTW... don't look into my previous post as some sort of implication of what flavor this thread's kool-aid is. But if I had to guess, I would say it's Sharkleberry-we-should-probably-just-shut-this-thread-down-and-delete-it-Fin.
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When I was living in Singapore a man was bitten in the jewels by a snake while sitting on the commode.
"According to a 1993 article in Singapore newspaper The Straits Times, headlined “Former National Athlete Bitten by Snake in Toilet,” a former shot-put champion was bitten on the testicles by an 8-foot python while sitting down to relieve himself. The bite was not poisonous, but the 43-year-old man was taken to the hospital to receive stitches."
there was a joke about that type of situation-guy bitten in the nether region by a very poisonous snake, his hiking partner said, that's not good because the only way to survive this type of bite was to have someone suck the venom out of the bitten area. the dude who was bitten asks, well what are you trying to tell me...to which his buddy says-sorry, but you're gonna die
ok now you can shut 'er down, eyn'a?
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there was a joke about that type of situation-guy bitten in the nether region by a very poisonous snake, his hiking partner said, that's not good because the only way to survive this type of bite was to have someone suck the venom out of the bitten area. the dude who was bitten asks, well what are you trying to tell me...to which his buddy says-sorry, but you're gonna die
That joke is sold old, it's wearing a gold sweater vest.
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That joke is sold old, it's wearing a gold sweater vest.
come on chick, there might be some utes hee who haven't heard it...if it weren't for nerds like me, these would all just get lost in the archives
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but i will never be found in a gold sweater vest 8-)
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there was a joke about that type of situation-guy bitten in the nether region by a very poisonous snake, his hiking partner said, that's not good because the only way to survive this type of bite was to have someone suck the venom out of the bitten area. the dude who was bitten asks, well what are you trying to tell me...to which his buddy says-sorry, but you're gonna die
ok now you can shut 'er down, eyn'a?
The joke is actually that the hiking partner runs to find (or calls, I guess) a doctor who tells him he needs to suck the venom out or his friend will die. He gets back to his friend and the friend asks, "what did the doctor say?" and he responds, "that you're going to die."
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My girlfriend who passed, she was mostly Hispanic.
So unnatural carnal knowledgeing Chico.
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now this thread should really really be officially locked
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Are you familiar with the concept of occam's razor?
Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
Here we have two hypotheses:
1) After being banned, Chicos created another screen name, as he has admitted to doing many times in the past, to continue the exact same types of political discussions he never could resist.
2) A different forum member, with no vested interest in doing so, created another screen name and tried to sound like Chicos pretending to be an African American in Madison, because he wanted other people to think he was Chicos, for no reason.
OK, I tried, I really did, but how does one let this go? Coleman, if I may. You claim Occam's Razor....let's look at the account you claim I created. Link below
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10730;area=showposts;start=50
He created his account in July if you click on his username. I'm reading his posts....recruiting, taunting, recruiting, recruiting, recruiting, recruiting....said Herro would go to UW-madison....a week or so later that actually happens...recruiting.
THREE MONTHS later in October, he makes a post in October about NFL football ratings, which has been a popular news subject out there. 3 months later after creating the account and having very little activity. From what I can tell, the first time race even comes up is when one of you guys start to call him Chicos, which it appears he thought was a racial attack on him. If he didn't have a history on Scoop, how would he know what Chicos means? Again, 3 months later this happens.
So Occam's razor suggests the fewest assumptions is the answer to the hypothesis, right? So this Badger fan comes here to rub it in a little bit, talk recruiting, barely posts and waits three months to tell us his race, but only in response to what appears to be a racial attack to him (I'm guessing), and Occam's razor = your conclusion is it is me? Sigh. Since I've been a volume poster here forever, meaning a lot of posts, how does that profile of barely posting fit me? Occam's razor?
Please, again, can we stop with the racial nonsense. No one is pretending to be African American. We, the community, can do better than this. Stop the labeling. My goodness. We need and can do better than this.
And how, does "the girlfriend's" husband feel about this? I'm trying to recall a stranger thread in the glorious history of muscopp.
This is PRN, by the way. I'm having password issues. Also, my girlfriend from junior high just found out she has clyamydia and I'm a bit of a wreck.
PRN (Creanlover), that was uncalled for commentary...I hope you get your password problem fixed, seems you were able to log in just fine in October under PuertoRicanNightmare.
My ex girlfriend remarried less than 2 years ago after being a single mom for 15+ years. Her husband, this was his second wife he lost to cancer....the first one after 18 years. What an amazing eulogy he did for her. They were perfect for one another. It's terrible that a man should have to go through that twice in his life, let alone once. Terrible, but he has handled it with tremendous grace. To answer your question, he is fine with it. We had a nice talk about how lucky each of us were to have her in our lives. An amazing man of faith. His eulogy was one of the reasons I vowed to try and be a better person. It was amazing. I was lucky to find another true love and marry her, as was he, but he was dealt a brutal blow of losing both to cancer.
Because I am not pretending to be an African American from Madison?
Neither am I.
Jams, at your best you are witty and insightful and compassionate. I have been anti you returning. No more. I am going to choose to believe you are sincere. Good luck, God bless, and I am sorry for your loss.
Thank you Tower.
Welcome back, Jams. I don't always agree with you, in fact you can be maddeningly infuriating, but you make Scoop a better place.
I'm not back Keefe. Yes, you can say I am tonight because I'm responding again right now, but truly am not coming back long term. I'm just amazed that some people are like this and responding in such a manner, but again I have to take a step back and say I sometimes acted like this, too. Shameful on my part, I hope some of these folks understand what they are doing, too. It's sad, joyless, no reflection of cura personalis. Yup, I'm a hypocrite for doing it in the past, I hope others will recognize some of their comments for what they are.
Very infrequent poster here. I posted just the other day because it appeared to be a chicos free zone for once.
While I think its good for chicos that he can reflect and see his actions it remains true that he held this board hostage for years and in my humble opinion destroyed the board.
Now I am sorry he had a loss and and glad he has done some soul searching, however, his character has been revealed for the better part of a decade. I hope one days clarity doesnt cause everyone to forget this.
Again, my apologies to you. I noticed you said I ruined the board for decade and many years, but you only joined last week. Welcome to MUScoop. You missed a lot the last decade here, or I guess you didn't because you said you were here, but.....nevermind.
When Chicos arrived, shamelessly pretending to be a black man living in Madison so he could get some leverage in a debate on race (weird and vile conduct that really bothered me and should bother you too). Chicos, when you feel obligated to pretend you're black to support your position on race, you might want to re-think your position.
And that's only re-enforced today. What started as a poignant post about grief and perspective turned into defensive posturing and coded finger-pointing. We've seen this for a decade. I'll happily have a beer with the real life guy behind Chicos...seriously, I'll be in town for a game or two so feel free to PM me. But, to the extent this thread is a referendum on whether to allow Chicos (or Jams, or Hoopaloop, or RahRah, or badgerhoney) back, my vote is this: the little community is better off without it.
Sigh...see above. I don't want back, but I'm going to defend myself from your charges. Occam's razor....indeed.
Tragic as it may be, how did Mrs. Hoopaloop react to you going off the rails at the death of your former girlfriend?
No, my wife is fantastic. My wife knew my ex girlfriend quite well. We're adults. All of us have known each other since we were kids hung out together since 13 years of age. We were all friends. Thing is, my wife and I never dated when we were young in high school or college. It wasn't until years later we got together, but that didn't change that all of our friends...we all hung out together and knew each other well. My wife and I went to the funeral and rosary together, along with the rest of our crowd that hung out together. It was difficult for my wife, she knows what a lovely person just left us.
Sultan - I totally get what you say and agree.
But if she had returned from her visit saying he was (along with you) the love of her life, the most beautiful person (inside and out) that she'd ever met and someone who ideally she would have shared her life with - you'd be OK with that?
Actually I said no one captured me like that UNTIL my wife. And yes, she was the most beautiful person I have ever met inside and outside....my wife would concur with that. Almost everyone in our class would concur with that. Homecoming queen...natural beauty on the outside, but amazing beauty on the inside...that's why 1000's showed up at the services. I've never seen anything like that except for a celebrity service. That doesn't change that I have an amazingly beautiful wife that I couldn't be more in love with going on 20 years of marriage, two great kids. The two are mutually exclusive in my opinion.
Truly sorry for your loss. Still don't like you.
That's ok Bags, I respect that. You or Tsmith, someone said that I stated something to you about miscarriage or something. I feel awful if I did. I don't remember it, but if I did...ugh. Miscarriage was part of our family which is why it would surprise me that I did. I know you and I had some interesting banter about abortion at times. Either way, can't apologize enough to you. Not asking you to like me, or accept me. Hoping you will accept my apology, but I understand if you can't. Peace.
Why can't we all just fookin' get along, hey?
Doc, that would be nice. I don't think it is possible, but I tried. I feel better at least for trying. Some odd anger here at times.
This has become a joyless place.
At times, but it doesn't have to be. We can do better. We need to. Really up to the individual.
So...just read this thread and it confirms the thesis that 97% of all Scoop threads spiral out of control beginning at page 1.65.
Nonetheless, thanks, Chicos, and best of luck as you work on yourself.
I laughed, and thank you
http://dallas.citymomsblog.com/how-to-be-best-friends-with-your-husbands-ex/
More like a human thing. They are called blended families, or bonus families. Quite common, especially when kids are involved. Remember, that ex wife is the mother of your husband's children. Not everyone can pull it off do to jealousies.
Not a term I'm familiar with, but yes there are more than a fair share of people becoming friends with a spouse's ex. We choose our friends, not our relatives. Just a matter of it can work out or not, but it is not rare by any stretch. There is a divorcee in the office that has a similar type of relationship, mostly because of the kids. They aren't best buddies, but there is a healthy respect, they laugh with each other and get along very well.
So unnatural carnal knowledgeing Chico.
Mutaman, my ex-girlfriend was mostly Hispanic. Not sure why that's an issue. Her mom was 100% Hispanic, her father half Italian and half Hispanic. My point in bringing it up was if I'm racist, as some suggested here, how on earth could I have been with someone that long that wasn't my race? Isn't that the core principle of being racist? How on earth could I choose to live where I do? Instead I get comments about the slaves as a comparison? My goodness. It just needs to stop. We throw that label around, it is so damn unfortunate.
At this point, I am starting to doubt the sincerity or longevity of your contrition. I suspect I am not alone in this.
Tower, I couldn't be more sincere. I cannot help it if you or others think every new poster is me. Though I'd point out it seems a little ironic that creanlover, Mr. Sand-knit, hyperhoopaloop, the last 3 new posters that all happened to be in this thread with brand new accounts in the last 6 days...not one of them were labeled as Chicos. 8-) Is the trick to comeback to MUscoop to just blast Chicos (me) at every turn, that way one throws everyone off the scent? ;)
Nevertheless, I meant my apology and my comments sincerely and I appreciated your response. Stay safe in your job, I know it isn't an easy one.
Frustrated and disappointed. Let's try to treat each other with a bit more respect. Peace