Todd Mayo goes 4th round in D-League

[Nevada233]

Honestly it sounds like you know a lot about a part of the situation with Mayo.  Nevada knows more than you are giving him credit for.

Who posted "Todd Mayo Leaves Marquette To pursue a Pro Career" before anyone in here knew it happened, Nevada did and not because I guessed...

Some of us really know what goes on behind the scenes and I know for a fact Todd got into physical fights on 2 seperate occassions last year and was suspended for the Wisconsin game because he showed up late for practice.

These are facts not guesses, so dont shoot the messenger.

[tower912]

So...it's not that Buzz didn't play him enough, it is more like he was lucky to be on the team at all.   

[jesmu84]

So...it's not that Buzz didn't play him enough, it is more like he was lucky to be on the team at all.   

BS. I have it on good authority here that Buzz was trying to lose games and that's why Mayo wasn't playing

[jesmu84]

Who posted "Todd Mayo Leaves Marquette To pursue a Pro Career" before anyone in here knew it happened, Nevada did and not because I guessed...

Some of us really know what goes on behind the scenes and I know for a fact Todd got into physical fights on 2 seperate occassions last year and was suspended for the Wisconsin game because he showed up late for practice.

These are facts not guesses, so dont shoot the messenger.

Can you clarify if they were fights with teammates? The shoe-stealing didn't help team chemistry , but this would probably have made things seriously terrible on the team.

[NersEllenson]

So...it's not that Buzz didn't play him enough, it is more like he was lucky to be on the team at all.   

If you are going to put up with the B.S., associated with Mayo..and keep him on the team - then use him for what he's best at:  playing basketball.  If a guy leads you to wins, helps you win, then as teammates you can deal with some of the extracurricular crap.  May not like the guy, but you realize winning tastes a lot better than losing.

BS. I have it on good authority here that Buzz was trying to lose games and that's why Mayo wasn't playing

And you are back.

Buzz lead a team picked to win the Big East in the preseason, a Top 20 team, with more returning experience than ever before to missing the f'ing NIT...inspiring JJJ and Steve Taylor to transfer, while uninspiring Devante and Jamil to even thank him during their senior day speeches.  It was a lousy coaching performance.  To acknowledge otherwise is ridiculous.

[jesmu84]

And you are back.

Buzz lead a team picked to win the Big East in the preseason, a Top 20 team, with more returning experience than ever before to missing the f'ing NIT...inspiring JJJ and Steve Taylor to transfer, while uninspiring Devante and Jamil to even thank him during their senior day speeches.  It was a lousy coaching performance.  To acknowledge otherwise is ridiculous.

I never left. And, yes, I will occasionally call out one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard (Buzz throwing games on purpose). Now, I will 150% agree with you that Buzz failed as a coach and GM last season and that it was a "lousy" performance. But that is separate from believing he lost games on purpose.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If you are going to put up with the B.S., associated with Mayo..and keep him on the team - then use him for what he's best at:  playing basketball.  If a guy leads you to wins, helps you win, then as teammates you can deal with some of the extracurricular crap.  May not like the guy, but you realize winning tastes a lot better than losing.

So if a player screws up and makes poor decisions off the court, he either needs to be cut or allowed to play? When a student athlete gets in a certain amount of trouble, you bench them. That is the standard repercussion in any athletic department. You don't play a troublemaker just because he's talented...unless you're Florida State...or Florida...or Mizzou...or Washington...let me rephrase, you shouldn't play a troublemaker just because he's talented. But that doesn't mean you cut him either. After a certain point, yes, cut him. Mayo probably passed that point for most athletic programs long before Wojo arrived.

[GGGG]

If you are going to put up with the B.S., associated with Mayo..and keep him on the team - then use him for what he's best at:  playing basketball.  If a guy leads you to wins, helps you win, then as teammates you can deal with some of the extracurricular crap.  May not like the guy, but you realize winning tastes a lot better than losing.

Below is my opinion...nothing else.

I think Buzz got himself between a rock and a hard place with Todd.  Todd should not have been at Marquette.  But Buzz went to the wall for him to the point that it ultimately cost LW his job.  But when Todd didn't change, Buzz really couldn't have dropped him without having serious egg on his face - he very likely could have been the next one out the door.  So Buzz limited his playing time.

Ultimately Todd should have simply been off the team after his freshman year when he was academically ineligible. 

[Nevada233]

Can you clarify if they were fights with teammates? The shoe-stealing didn't help team chemistry , but this would probably have made things seriously terrible on the team.

Yes there were physical fights... Like blows thrown....

I was told personally, Todd was a loner he would come to practice, warm up alone, shoot around alone and wasn't someone you can build around. If your a player that built no comradery or rapport with his teammates or coaches how successful are you going to be.
Todd would carry himself as if he had already made it (I mean having a brother that plays professionally in the same building as you would do that to alot of people) and  he took a huge offense to not starting and players playing more than him especially when the ship started to sink on the season. But based off his actions he did virtually nothing to change that. Per a player, when Wojo came aboard Todds Marquette days were virtually over, on his last day with the team he had a meeting about his role and that he would have to earn the trust of the staff and coaches. That didn't go to well because Todd automatically assumed he was gonna be "The Goods" long story short he stormed out of the meeting quitting the team at the same time and was asked while walking out Al Mcquire Center.... Where are you going? he said "I'm going Pro..."

As far as the team goes there were alot of uneasy players and families about Buzzes coaching especially when things were going wrong and the frosh were glued to the pine, Its no secret that more than one player were literally one foot out the door if buzz came back and stayed once they knew he was gone. If you ask buzz he will probably say he put his "Best" lineup out there to give him a chance to win, but I personally think there were many instances where change was needed but didn't happen.

If we are gonna play 4 on 5 again this year. We can just pack up the season get some of next years role players some on the court experience and for next years Super Recruiting Class....

[jesmu84]

Yes there were physical fights... Like blows thrown....

I was told personally, Todd was a loner he would come to practice, warm up alone, shoot around alone and wasn't someone you can build around. If your a player that built no comradery or rapport with his teammates or coaches how successful are you going to be.
Todd would carry himself as if he had already made it (I mean having a brother that plays professionally in the same building as you would do that to alot of people) and  he took a huge offense to not starting and players playing more than him especially when the ship started to sink on the season. But based off his actions he did virtually nothing to change that. Per a player, when Wojo came aboard Todds Marquette days were virtually over, on his last day with the team he had a meeting about his role and that he would have to earn the trust of the staff and coaches. That didn't go to well because Todd automatically assumed he was gonna be "The Goods" long story short he stormed out of the meeting quitting the team at the same time and was asked while walking out Al Mcquire Center.... Where are you going? he said "I'm going Pro..."

As far as the team goes there were alot of uneasy players and families about Buzzes coaching especially when things were going wrong and the frosh were glued to the pine, Its no secret that more than one player were literally one foot out the door if buzz came back and stayed once they knew he was gone. If you ask buzz he will probably say he put his "Best" lineup out there to give him a chance to win, but I personally think there were many instances where change was needed but didn't happen.

If we are gonna play 4 on 5 again this year. We can just pack up the season get some of next years role players some on the court experience and for next years Super Recruiting Class....

Appreciate the info/insight Nevada.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Below is my opinion...nothing else.

I think Buzz got himself between a rock and a hard place with Todd.  Todd should not have been at Marquette.  But Buzz went to the wall for him to the point that it ultimately cost LW his job.  But when Todd didn't change, Buzz really couldn't have dropped him without having serious egg on his face - he very likely could have been the next one out the door.  So Buzz limited his playing time.

Ultimately Todd should have simply been off the team after his freshman year when he was academically ineligible. 

This seems reasonable/probable.

I don't mind a coach taking a chance on a kid, but that kid needs to be accountable and take care of business on and off of the court.

Todd seemed to struggle in that regard, and I don't know that keeping him at MU was doing Todd or MU any favors.

[reinko]

Yes there were physical fights... Like blows thrown....

I was told personally, Todd was a loner he would come to practice, warm up alone, shoot around alone and wasn't someone you can build around. If your a player that built no comradery or rapport with his teammates or coaches how successful are you going to be.
Todd would carry himself as if he had already made it (I mean having a brother that plays professionally in the same building as you would do that to alot of people) and  he took a huge offense to not starting and players playing more than him especially when the ship started to sink on the season. But based off his actions he did virtually nothing to change that. Per a player, when Wojo came aboard Todds Marquette days were virtually over, on his last day with the team he had a meeting about his role and that he would have to earn the trust of the staff and coaches. That didn't go to well because Todd automatically assumed he was gonna be "The Goods" long story short he stormed out of the meeting quitting the team at the same time and was asked while walking out Al Mcquire Center.... Where are you going? he said "I'm going Pro..."

As far as the team goes there were alot of uneasy players and families about Buzzes coaching especially when things were going wrong and the frosh were glued to the pine, Its no secret that more than one player were literally one foot out the door if buzz came back and stayed once they knew he was gone. If you ask buzz he will probably say he put his "Best" lineup out there to give him a chance to win, but I personally think there were many instances where change was needed but didn't happen.

If we are gonna play 4 on 5 again this year. We can just pack up the season get some of next years role players some on the court experience and for next years Super Recruiting Class....

Dude.  Can't you understand?

If a guy leads you to wins, helps you win, then as teammates you can deal with some of the extracurricular crap.  May not like the guy, but you realize winning tastes a lot better than losing.

[NersEllenson]

Dude.  Can't you understand?

If a guy leads you to wins, helps you win, then as teammates you can deal with some of the extracurricular crap.  May not like the guy, but you realize winning tastes a lot better than losing.

Clearly you've never had exposure to what goes on in high major ball, or professional sports teams for that matter.  There are 100s of cases of guys who are great players who are less than great teammates...and teams keep those guys around because their talent helps the team win games.

Please come with something a little stronger next time Reinko.  I know you have it in you.  For a Boston guy, that's pretty weak sauce.

[reinko]

Clearly you've never had exposure to what goes on in high major ball, or professional sports teams for that matter.  There are 100s of cases of guys who are great players who are less than great teammates...and teams keep those guys around because their talent helps the team win games.

Please come with something a little stronger next time Reinko.  I know you have it in you.  For a Boston guy, that's pretty weak sauce.

I mean, these are only your greatest hits from your first few months here...but I could go on. 



I've never seen Junior play, never seen Smith play - but I'll always put my money on pure athleticism.  Smith looks like his body and athleticism are Big East ready right now.  He looks like he will be very strong too.  I can see him giving Junior fits, just based on quicks and athleticism alone.  A guy with this kind of athletic ability doesn't need to be a great shooter as he can constantly get to the rack, and furthermore he can break down a defense easily and create draw and kick opportunities for other players - Blue, Jones, etc.


+1:  In Buzz I Trust.  My personal belief is that Buzz Williams will be Tom Crean's biggest contribution to the MU program, as history unfolds.  Obviously D-Wade, Diener and the Final Four are great accomplishments in Tom Crean's career, but I believ Buzz Williams will be here for 10+ years and in that time take us to at least one Final Four, perhaps 2.  Why do I say that, just based on this body of work so far, and his character and approach.

Hayward said it best in this above post - DJO is a STUD, star in the making.  I'll go as far to say he is the best player to come to MU since D-Wade..yes I realize that implies better than any of the Big 3..and I stand by that comment.  I could almost see DJO being good enough to turn pro after next year (his junior season).

Good question you pose.  I'd take Buzz Williams over Keno Davis, Tony Bennett, Anthony Grant, Sean Miller...or any of the other coaches we "hoped" for after Tom Crean left.  Buzz has been an underdog his whole life, has had to work for everything he's gotten in the coaching game - not having been a former NCAA basketball player.  This team is a direct reflection of who Buzz Williams is:  tough, ultra competitive, huge heart, getting the most out of individual potential, disciplined, and intelligent.  GO BUZZ!!

We better lock Buzz Williams up for a long time.  He is THE REAL DEAL.  Just read this quote from JSOnline:
Hill (Rutgers Coach Fred Hill) said your team is tough. What does that mean to you: "I want to be the husband and father that God intended for me to be as a human being. As a coach and everybody that I'm around, I want them to be, every day, tough suckers. Not game-day tough guys, not we're about to play a game tough guys. Every day, grind-it-out, work, be the toughest dude you can be. That's what I want to be. And if that's what our team is and that's what Coach Hill thinks, and I mean this in a sincere way, we appreciate that, because that's the highest compliment I think our team can have."

How can these guys not be well prepared for life after basketball?  Buzz is no phony, and has had to work his A$$ everyday to get to where he is today.  His message will get through to these kids, because he is a walking example of what hard work and focus will get you in life.

[NersEllenson]

I mean, these are only your greatest hits from your first few months here...but I could go on. 



I've never seen Junior play, never seen Smith play - but I'll always put my money on pure athleticism.  Smith looks like his body and athleticism are Big East ready right now.  He looks like he will be very strong too.  I can see him giving Junior fits, just based on quicks and athleticism alone.  A guy with this kind of athletic ability doesn't need to be a great shooter as he can constantly get to the rack, and furthermore he can break down a defense easily and create draw and kick opportunities for other players - Blue, Jones, etc.


+1:  In Buzz I Trust.  My personal belief is that Buzz Williams will be Tom Crean's biggest contribution to the MU program, as history unfolds.  Obviously D-Wade, Diener and the Final Four are great accomplishments in Tom Crean's career, but I believ Buzz Williams will be here for 10+ years and in that time take us to at least one Final Four, perhaps 2.  Why do I say that, just based on this body of work so far, and his character and approach.

Hayward said it best in this above post - DJO is a STUD, star in the making.  I'll go as far to say he is the best player to come to MU since D-Wade..yes I realize that implies better than any of the Big 3..and I stand by that comment.  I could almost see DJO being good enough to turn pro after next year (his junior season).

Good question you pose.  I'd take Buzz Williams over Keno Davis, Tony Bennett, Anthony Grant, Sean Miller...or any of the other coaches we "hoped" for after Tom Crean left.  Buzz has been an underdog his whole life, has had to work for everything he's gotten in the coaching game - not having been a former NCAA basketball player.  This team is a direct reflection of who Buzz Williams is:  tough, ultra competitive, huge heart, getting the most out of individual potential, disciplined, and intelligent.  GO BUZZ!!

We better lock Buzz Williams up for a long time.  He is THE REAL DEAL.  Just read this quote from JSOnline:
Hill (Rutgers Coach Fred Hill) said your team is tough. What does that mean to you: "I want to be the husband and father that God intended for me to be as a human being. As a coach and everybody that I'm around, I want them to be, every day, tough suckers. Not game-day tough guys, not we're about to play a game tough guys. Every day, grind-it-out, work, be the toughest dude you can be. That's what I want to be. And if that's what our team is and that's what Coach Hill thinks, and I mean this in a sincere way, we appreciate that, because that's the highest compliment I think our team can have."

How can these guys not be well prepared for life after basketball?  Buzz is no phony, and has had to work his A$$ everyday to get to where he is today.  His message will get through to these kids, because he is a walking example of what hard work and focus will get you in life.

And what's your point?  A few statements/predictions I made WAY early on in Buzz's first year didn't all quite come true?  There's also lots in there that was pretty on point.  It's sad that by Year 6 the success Buzz had got to his head, and inflated his ego beyond belief.  And, he's paying the price now for that ego trying to cobble together a competitive program in a perennial cellar dweller in the ACC.

Don't worry though, I won't go through your post history to come up with some of your gems.  Guys like you aren't worth the time.

[jesmu84]

Clearly you've never had exposure to what goes on in high major ball, or professional sports teams for that matter.  There are 100s of cases of guys who are great players who are less than great teammates...and teams keep those guys around because their talent helps the team win games.

Please come with something a little stronger next time Reinko.  I know you have it in you.  For a Boston guy, that's pretty weak sauce.

So you would be ok with Marquette having poor character guys on the team as long as they win?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

And what's your point?  A few statements/predictions I made WAY early on in Buzz's first year didn't all quite come true?  There's also lots in there that was pretty on point.  It's sad that by Year 6 the success Buzz had got to his head, and inflated his ego beyond belief.  And, he's paying the price now for that ego trying to cobble together a competitive program in a perennial cellar dweller in the ACC.

Don't worry though, I won't go through your post history to come up with some of your gems.  Guys like you aren't worth the time.

Well, I think the point is that we can all be wrong from time to time, and we need to allow for that.

Just because somebody disagrees with me, doesn't mean I should automatically dismiss their opinion as "basketball stupid" and treat them as an adversary.

We can all exchange opinions and discuss without hammering each other with absolutes.

[reinko]

And what's your point?  A few statements/predictions I made WAY early on in Buzz's first year didn't all quite come true?  There's also lots in there that was pretty on point.  It's sad that by Year 6 the success Buzz had got to his head, and inflated his ego beyond belief.  And, he's paying the price now for that ego trying to cobble together a competitive program in a perennial cellar dweller in the ACC.

Don't worry though, I won't go through your post history to come up with some of your gems.  Guys like you aren't worth the time.

Please go right ahead, 95% of my posts are gifs, smart assery, and annoying people who care waaaaayyyyy too much about an orange ball going through hoop that is 10 ft. in the air.

Edit.  Going into your post history is fun! I once called Steph Curry a stretch to make an NBA roster!   

[Lennys Tap]

We can all exchange opinions and discuss without hammering each other with absolutes.

We ALL can? That's an absolute that is unfortunately disproven on a regular basis here.

[tower912]

We ALL can? That's an absolute that is unfortunately disproven on a regular basis here.

There are only a few here that deal in absolutes and try to beat you into submission until you abdicate.    Most can carry on conversations with people with different views. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

Well, I think the point is that we can all be wrong from time to time, and we need to allow for that.

Just because somebody disagrees with me, doesn't mean I should automatically dismiss their opinion as "basketball stupid" and treat them as an adversary.

We can all exchange opinions and discuss without hammering each other with absolutes.

The Tao of Ammo. We could all learn from this.

Namaste.

[Lennys Tap]

There are only a few here that deal in absolutes and try to beat you into submission until you abdicate.    Most can carry on conversations with people with different views. 

Agreed.

[NersEllenson]

Well, I think the point is that we can all be wrong from time to time, and we need to allow for that.

Just because somebody disagrees with me, doesn't mean I should automatically dismiss their opinion as "basketball stupid" and treat them as an adversary.

We can all exchange opinions and discuss without hammering each other with absolutes.

And some here never actually make any forward looking predictions or statements, but instead ride the middle ground and play things incredibly "safe."

[GGGG]

And some here never actually make any forward looking predictions or statements, but instead ride the middle ground and play things incredibly "safe."

That's the way the world is.  It's not black and white.  Mostly shades of grey. 

[NersEllenson]

Please go right ahead, 95% of my posts are gifs, smart assery, and annoying people who care waaaaayyyyy too much about an orange ball going through hoop that is 10 ft. in the air.

Edit.  Going into your post history is fun! I once called Steph Curry a stretch to make an NBA roster!   

Little else needs to be said about your contributions here.  They'd at least have some* value if they actually demonstrated a good sense of humor.  But nope, mostly bricks.