Kolek planning to go pro
Not sure if anyone is following the nosedive at Michigan, but an interesting development.http://mgoblog.com/content/david-brandon-i-suggest-you-find-new-teamThis is absolutely incredible behavior; this guy (and Hoke) shouldn't make it through the end of the season
Hoke is only in his fourth year at Michigan. I think they need to give him at least one more year to know whether he's a good fit.
2-8-14-71-107-56-6They decided to hang on to him (Bill McCartney), and he won a national title 4 years later. Sometimes you have to wait, but usually it is the inverse. Someone comes out a house on fire with someone else's guys and by year 5 they are exposed. 11-1420-819-914-119-17He would go on to win three NCAA basketball titles after that 5 year start....still strolling the sidelines for Duke.Do I think Hoke should be gone....yes. I never understood how a career .500 guy in the MAC got hired in the first place. His stint at SDSU was with someone else's players. However, are there examples of coaches that struggled in years 4 and 5 and ended up being fantastic in the end? Yes
So it sounds like you're saying the "5 year rule" (which you either made up or borrowed from someone else) is just another arbitrary and oft times wrong way of looking at things. I agree. Sometimes you know in one year. Sometimes you don't in five, which renders any "rule" on the subject basically meaningless.
It's not settled science, if that's what you mean. I've clarified for years what it means to me, it's my own determination and the examples I've given over the years is to show how many people fall in love with a coach out of the gate before any classes have matriculated of his. Call it the Bruiser Flint phenomena if you like. It is easier to identify if a coach is in over his head vs telling if a coach is riding the talent of the previous guy's recruits. I prefer to wait 4 or 5 years, because it allows for a full class or two of his recruits to cycle through, that's why I've always used that number and have stated so many times. This should be news to you with the number of times you respond to me. Remember that search button....
So your theory should be called the Coach K phenomena since it would have resulted in the firing the winningest coach in college basketball history after 4 or 5 years?
Ann Arbor would implode if Hoke isn't fired after this season. And RichRod was never a good fit for Michigan. The only success he (and Hoke) had was due to Denard Robinson.
Do I think Hoke should be gone....yes. I never understood how a career .500 guy in the MAC got hired in the first place. His stint at SDSU was with someone else's players.
RichRod wasn't a good fit because Lloyd Carr didn't like them. It is pretty common knowledge that Carr is still influencing things behind the seasons. And even if he wanted to come to Michigan, Les Miles will never be coach of UM while Lloyd has any influence. According to friends in positions of knowledge in Ann Arbor.
And really to say that RichRod, who was previously successful at West Virginia, and currently successful at Arizona, wasn't a "good fit" at Michigan means that Michigan is the one with the problem.There is absolutely no reason why he couldn't have been a success there.
I was wondering if Michigan could make a run at one of the Gruden's. Jon has a nice gig with ESPN, but how about Jay? The Redskins are a dumpster fire, notwithstanding their win over the Cowboys. And, I believe they both cut their teeth in the college ranks. They're going to need a big name hire. I'm not saying Jay Gruden's a huge name, but stealing an NFL coach might hold off the irate fan base.They can have Marc Trestman if they want.
To be fair, Ball State wasn't in good shape when he got there. They hadn't had a winning season since the mid 90s and it was during the MAC's strong period where Miami (OH), BG, Toledo, and Marshall had strong, borderline top 25 programs. He had to rebuild, so its not fair to point at his record being an indication of mediocre performance. Now if there was incomplete evidence at SDSU, thats a fair point. Guys like Dave Doeren at NC State who took over a really strong NIU program for 2 years, or Darrell Hazell at Purdue who only had 2 years at Kent St, one of which was awful, are far more suspect, flash in the pan hires.I think Michigan was a bit shell shocked cause nobody wanted the job as bad as they thought when they hired Hoke.
Ann Arbor is already imploding. It is either Harbaugh or nothing. Which may be tough if they fire Brandon, too. As we know, it is difficult to hire a big name head coach with an interim AD in place.
RichRod was a culture change when change wasn't needed. And if Bo Schembechler was still alive when Carr "retired" Jim Harbaugh would've been the one hired, not RichRod.