MUScoop
MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2023, 07:26:40 PM
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Pretty sure this is not what Al had in mind, hey?
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Pretty sure this is not what Al had in mind, hey?
WTF is going on with these 🎈 🎈 🎈 🎈?
Solutions Scoopers?
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Anyone got a stick pin? We're bein' spied upon and no one gives a chit, hey?
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WTF is going on with these 🎈 🎈 🎈 🎈?
Solutions Scoopers?
It was hovering above Columbia around 2:00 today. Hard to get a quality picture on an iPhone, but very clear.
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By the way, we all do realize there are things called satellites that are not visible to us that do the same thing, right?
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Yeah, I have been chuckling about it too. We have satellites, they have satellites. We can see it, identify the source, have a pretty good idea where it is going. Unless it suddenly rains the next round of COVID on the US, I don't know what it accomplishes.
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Yeah, I have been chuckling about it too. We have satellites, they have satellites. We can see it, identify the source, have a pretty good idea where it is going. Unless it suddenly rains the next round of COVID on the US, I don't know what it accomplishes.
So maybe it’s a test. What will the US do if China sends a recon balloon that violates our airspace? The answer apparently is nothing. What do you suppose China’s response would be if the situation were reversed?
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Lenny
If situation was reversed, China would have had it down and reverse engineered already.
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They're not shooting it down because they don't want an object the size of three buses landing on people's heads, especially since said object isn't telling the Chinese anything theyre not already getting from satellites.
But yeah, pew pew, boys.
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They're not shooting it down because they don't want an object the size of three buses landing on people's heads, especially since said object isn't telling the Chinese anything theyre not already getting from satellites.
But yeah, pew pew, boys.
Despite proclamations from George Santos saying he’s operating the balloon, it appears that’s not the case
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I’m okay not aspiring to make the USA into China.
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Sign of weakness by China. A balloon?
What would you think, Lenny, if the USA was flying a balloon over China?
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I don’t think the United States has any choice but to exact revenge be sending Wojo to coach the Chinese national basketball team.
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I don’t think the United States has any choice but to exact revenge be sending Wojo to coach the Chinese national basketball team.
Billy Packer was right
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Too bad the balloon's flight path won't take it over the Marquette campus. Stray gunfire would take it down.
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Sign of weakness by China. A balloon?
What would you think, Lenny, if the USA was flying a balloon over China?
So it has no purpose. It’s just a balloon. Why the f@ck did China send it into our airspace? Maybe it just escaped from a wet market over there, a’ina?
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So it has no purpose. It’s just a balloon. Why the f@ck did China send it into our airspace? Maybe it just escaped from a wet market over there, a’ina?
To spy on us. Just like their satellites do anyway.
Man do the elderly talk tough but act terrified.
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Another spy balloon from China now accidentally blown off course and traveling over Latin America. Quite a coincidence that 2 “balloons” would get blown off course. Nothing to see here….
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To spy on us. Just like their satellites do anyway.
Man do the elderly talk tough but act terrified.
1.I never talked tough
2.I’m not the least bit scared
3.Thanks for stopping by and reminding anyone who might have forgotten what an idiot you are.
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What does Lenny propose be done here?
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Shoot down the balloon full of bio weapons!!!
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Another spy balloon from China now accidentally blown off course and traveling over Latin America. Quite a coincidence that 2 “balloons” would get blown off course. Nothing to see here….
Wouldn’t that actually make sense? If one balloon is blown off course, wouldn’t it stand to reason any other balloons near that wind stream get blown off course too?
1.I never talked tough
2.I’m not the least bit scared
3.Thanks for stopping by and reminding anyone who might have forgotten what an idiot you are.
Sure.
Please don’t forget it.
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So maybe it’s a test. What will the US do if China sends a recon balloon that violates our airspace? The answer apparently is nothing. What do you suppose China’s response would be if the situation were reversed?
What do you think China’s response would be? Do you think we should do the same? Why or why not?
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What does Lenny propose be done here?
There are/were several possibilities. It could have been shot down before it was over water jbut in our air space. It could have been shot down over some area where there was little or no chance of impacting the population. Perhaps there’s a way of bringing it down without essentially blowing it up - a tear in the balloon, something of that sort. Or we could do nothing and learn nothing about what was in the balloon, harrumph a bit and cancel our Secretary of State’s trip to China.
I don’t have the information to say what I would do, but I definitely wouldn’t laugh it off as no big deal like Tower, Bias and others have done. And unless there’s something they’re not telling us I wouldn’t have chosen the do nothing option.
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What do you think China’s response would be? Do you think we should do the same? Why or why not?
China would have brought the balloon down by whatever means they deemed the most efficient. They would be going over the contents with a fine tooth comb to determine what we were after and whether we have technologies currently unavailable to them. They would exploit it on the world’s stage for all it is worth.
I’d be OK with us doing the same.
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Lenny, it is a balloon that everyone can see and track. How much useful information can it glean when everyone knows where it is and what it is? That isn't already being pulled from satellites? If it was flying over my house I would flip it off or moon it.
It is the size of 3 buses. Shooting it down spreads 3 buses of unknown debris over a large area. Would you want that over the Florida coast? Try and attach a tether hook and pull it? Same problem.
Right now, the biggest hazard is it crashing over a populated area. Unless it is the most unorthodox first strike weapon ever.
So, I stand by my statement. This is an embarrassment for China.
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What would you consider to be a serious embarrassment for the U.S.? Axin' fore myself, hey?
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Trump. MAGA.
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You'd prefer the Buffoon be re-elected, hey?
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The buffoon was defeated. Should he run, I will vote for the current president.
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Might have to choose someone else. Doubt he'll be on the ballot. Besides, both he and Trump are just too kolekin' old. This country can and should do better, hey?
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Yes, it is time to move on to the next generation. However, if it is a 2020 rematch, I will vote the same way I voted then.
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I think it's very possible they shoot that thing down today.
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Lenny, it is a balloon that everyone can see and track. How much useful information can it glean when everyone knows where it is and what it is? That isn't already being pulled from satellites? If it was flying over my house I would flip it off or moon it.
It is the size of 3 buses. Shooting it down spreads 3 buses of unknown debris over a large area. Would you want that over the Florida coast? Try and attach a tether hook and pull it? Same problem.
Right now, the biggest hazard is it crashing over a populated area. Unless it is the most unorthodox first strike weapon ever.
So, I stand by my statement. This is an embarrassment for China.
ummm, memba the trojan horsies??
if we blow it outta the sky, we have the technology to do that over bumblefudge USA or just vaporize the mofo
under maga man, this thing wouldn't have made it to the shores of the aleutian isles
transparency means...oh damn, you saw that?? then minimize it?
probably loaded with more $$-ya know 10% for the BG !! ca-ching
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Maybe it's the new Uber and its full of Chinese food, or as the Chinese call it, food.
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I don’t have the information to say what I would do...
Exactly, Lenny.
It's obvious from your earlier posts that you really didn't understand the size and makeup of this balloon, its capabilities or the implications of shooting it down.
Of course, that hasn't stopped you from second-guessing the decisions of those who do have that information and assuming that you, with all your vast knowledge and experience in these matters, know better.
Obviously the military and the decisions of its leadership are light years from infallible, but shouldn't one at least educate him/herself before second-guessing?
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ummm, memba the trojan horsies??
if we blow it outta the sky, we have the technology to do that over bumblefudge USA or just vaporize the mofo
under maga man, this thing wouldn't have made it to the shores of the aleutian isles
transparency means...oh damn, you saw that?? then minimize it?
probably loaded with more $$-ya know 10% for the BG !! ca-ching
8 out of 10
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Gents - if you want to argue about playing a man vs zone defense against a Chinese balloon, have at it. If you want to piss and moan about politics, I'll ban you. Have at it.
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Despite proclamations from George Santos saying he’s operating the balloon, it appears that’s not the case
They need to bring back the old Jon Lovitz character from SNL to play George Santos.
Yeaaah, that’s the ticket.
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8 out of 10
28.19
Reeko is slightly hungover after drinking full bottle of Mellow Corn last night, but still has a good reaction time.
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Too bad the balloon's flight path won't take it over the Marquette campus. Stray gunfire would take it down.
The Dentist Militia could take care of this. All those weekends paintin’ their faces and playin’ army in the woods could pay off.
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They need to bring back the old Jon Lovitz character from SNL to play George Santos.
Yeaaah, that’s the ticket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpKLHWg2Ffg
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Anyone got a stick pin? We're bein' spied upon and no one gives a chit, hey?
The military has probably known about the balloons since they were launched in the ocean or china or wherever.
Not surprisingly, they don't tell the general public about every little thing they spot. This only came to light because civilians spotted it.
You can cry about Biden or whatever, but that's just be more hot air.
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28.19
Reeko is slightly hungover after drinking full bottle of Mellow Corn last night, but still has a good reaction time.
I love Mellow Corn!
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There are/were several possibilities. It could have been shot down before it was over water jbut in our air space. It could have been shot down over some area where there was little or no chance of impacting the population. Perhaps there’s a way of bringing it down without essentially blowing it up - a tear in the balloon, something of that sort. Or we could do nothing and learn nothing about what was in the balloon, harrumph a bit and cancel our Secretary of State’s trip to China.
I don’t have the information to say what I would do, but I definitely wouldn’t laugh it off as no big deal like Tower, Bias and others have done. And unless there’s something they’re not telling us I wouldn’t have chosen the do nothing option.
Good lord you think small. Nations do this to each other all the time to test responses.
I do think it's pretty funny that you see this balloon as a threat when you know nothing about it other than it is Chinese. Meanwhile, the military and its full complement sensors don't see it as any sort of a threat. You know, the experts on such things.
Yet, you're like, "THIS THING IS DANGEROUS TUCKER SAID SO". I may have adlibbed that last part for you, but I know your outrage stems from the media you're consuming.
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28.19
Reeko is slightly hungover after drinking full bottle of Mellow Corn last night, but still has a good reaction time.
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"I'm here to defend your honor again, my friend"
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Exactly, Lenny.
It's obvious from your earlier posts that you really didn't understand the size and makeup of this balloon, its capabilities or the implications of shooting it down.
Of course, that hasn't stopped you from second-guessing the decisions of those who do have that information and assuming that you, with all your vast knowledge and experience in these matters, know better.
Obviously the military and the decisions of its leadership are light years from infallible, but shouldn't one at least educate him/herself before second-guessing?
Of course I understood the size, etc. - that’s why I said that if taken down the best time to do it was either while over water or somewhere that is virtually uninhabited.
And of course I don’t know it’s “capabilities”. Neither do you, bias, Tower, etc. - that doesn’t stop you all from dismissing it as something unimportant that can’t give China any information it already isn’t getting. How does anyone who doesn’t know its capabilities know that, and (if true) why did China launch it?
As to our military, I think it’s likely they’ve been debating what to do about this for a few days. And their advice is sometimes overruled by politicians anyway. Who knows, a’ina?
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Lenny
The Chinese told the scoopers it was a weather balloon that went off track. The guys on here take that for being accurate and do not see an issue. It will be funny to read responses after it is shot down in a couple of hours.
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Lenny
The Chinese told the scoopers it was a weather balloon that went off track. The guys on here take that for being accurate and do not see an issue. It will be funny to read responses after it is shot down in a couple of hours.
Who thinks it’s just a weather balloon?
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Who thinks it’s just a weather balloon?
Right. Literally said they have satellites that do the same thing. Could be weather satellites. But not what I meant.
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Yet, you're like, "THIS THING IS DANGEROUS TUCKER SAID SO". I may have adlibbed that last part for you, but I know your outrage stems from the media you're consuming.
When did ad lib become synonymous with lying or mischaracterizing someone’s position. Marquette was obviously different during your stay than mine. And I’m not outraged - but I am concerned. So, it seems, is our President, the military, politicians from both sides of the aisle and most of the news media. The only place where it’s no big deal is with a segment of Scoop.
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Right. Literally said they have satellites that do the same thing. Could be weather satellites. But not what I meant.
Only you, Tower, Pakuni, Wades, know what its “capabilities” are. LOL.
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Lenny
The Chinese told the scoopers it was a weather balloon that went off track. The guys on here take that for being accurate and do not see an issue. It will be funny to read responses after it is shot down in a couple of hours.
Literally nobody said this, but thanks for stopping by.
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Despite proclamations from George Santos saying he’s operating the balloon, it appears that’s not the case
51 former US intelligence officials signed a letter saying that reports that this was a Chinese spy balloon had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
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Only you, Tower, Pakuni, Wades, know what its “capabilities” are. LOL.
Actually, Lenny, we're paying attention to what the experts are saying, which is that this balloon poses no military or political threat.
The Pentagon said Friday that the balloon currently does not pose a "military or political" threat.
"Again, we currently assess that balloon does not present a military or physical threat to people on the ground at this time, and we'll continue to monitor and review options," Ryder said Friday.
The US has not ruled out shooting it down
Officials have so far determined that the potential damage of falling debris from the balloon -- its substructure is roughly 90 feet while the balloon itself is significantly larger and taller, according to a defense official -- outweighs the risk of the balloon itself. But that's not to say that it couldn't be shot down eventually; a senior defense official said Thursday that the US has "options to deal with this balloon" if the risk assessment changes.
US Northern Command is coordinating with NASA to determine the debris field if the balloon were to be shot down, a defense official told CNN on Friday.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/04/politics/chinese-spy-balloon-us-latest/index.html
Again, you would know this is you'd bothered to educate yourself before running to Scoop to pop off.
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:-[i
51 former US intelligence officials signed a letter saying that reports that this was a Chinese spy balloon had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
No, it’s a weather balloon. All the experts are saying that. I read that right in this thread.
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Shooting it down over the Atlantic, move along, nothing to see here.
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Shooting it down over the Atlantic, move along, nothing to see here.
This is correct
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Shooting it down over the Atlantic, move along, nothing to see here.
The Chinese would never do this. They would shoot it down immediately because they aren’t a bunch of cucks.
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When did ad lib become synonymous with lying or mischaracterizing someone’s position. Marquette was obviously different during your stay than mine. And I’m not outraged - but I am concerned. So, it seems, is our President, the military, politicians from both sides of the aisle and most of the news media. The only place where it’s no big deal is with a segment of Scoop.
Do you ever watch Tucker Carlson. Because I already know the answer. You've admitted as much.
The outrage from the right wing lunatics is precisely what you're saying. They were handed the talking points, and you're simply regurgitating them.
If you honestly believe our military is inept enough to not do a threat analysis of this balloon you're much dumber than I thought.
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Isn’t it somewhere between possible and probable that we obtain more useful information about the Chinese, at very little risk to our own sensitive information, by letting this balloon continue on its course? Like, it’s possible to have reasons to not shoot it down beyond (1) avoiding injury to people or property, or (2) fecklessness.
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Isn’t it somewhere between possible and probable that we obtain more useful information about the Chinese, at very little risk to our own sensitive information, by letting this balloon continue on its course? Like, it’s possible to have reasons to not shoot it down beyond (1) avoiding injury to people or property, or (2) fecklessness.
Nope. According to Lenny’s and 4ever, unless you shoot it down immediately, you’re weak.
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Isn’t it somewhere between possible and probable that we obtain more useful information about the Chinese, at very little risk to our own sensitive information, by letting this balloon continue on its course? Like, it’s possible to have reasons to not shoot it down beyond (1) avoiding injury to people or property, or (2) fecklessness.
Speculation, but I'd bet the knowledge gained here is asymmetrical, and not in China's favor.
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Lenny
The Chinese told the scoopers it was a weather balloon that went off track. The guys on here take that for being accurate and do not see an issue. It will be funny to read responses after it is shot down in a couple of hours.
I don't think it is a weather balloon. I also don't think it is a problem. I am sure somewhere in Moscow and in Beijing there are some tortured souls monitoring scoop. They are probably gathering the same amount of actionable intel.
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51 former US intelligence officials signed a letter saying that reports that this was a Chinese spy balloon had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
Wait. Which authority do you support? Former US Intel - yes. Current US Intel - no.
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Wait. Which authority do you support? Former US Intel - yes. Current US Intel - no.
I'm waiting for the Fauci press conference to tell me what to believe.
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As I said earlier, we're taking it out very soon.
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As I said earlier, we're taking it out very soon.
I'm surprised anyone is worried about a baloon over rural Missouri. Anyone with TikTok is sending location data, photographs, and more to the chinese government daily. I think that people don't totally understand how much data can be collected and sent by just opening an app even without letting it record.
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Lenny is going to get mad at you.
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I'm surprised anyone is worried about a baloon over rural Missouri. Anyone with TikTok is sending location data, photographs, and more to the chinese government daily. I think that people don't totally understand how much data can be collected and sent by just opening an app even without letting it record.
True but this thing can collect a lot more data. They're not using this balloon for no reason.
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True but this thing can collect a lot more data. They're not using this balloon for no reason.
lmao, nope.
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True but this thing can collect a lot more data. They're not using this balloon for no reason.
Yup, they’re collecting American weather data to plan an attack via clouds.
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I assume that we are being spied on at all times by foreign entities. And perhaps domestic entities. Unless this balloon is loaded with anthrax or other toxins that will spread when it pops, I don't see how this is fundamentally different than what I assume goes on every single minute of every single day. I mean, it is a balloon. Visible to the naked eye. If anything, I see it as a sociological experiment by the Chinese. Similar to the Russion bot farms that work constantly to sway American opinion.
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True but this thing can collect a lot more data. They're not using this balloon for no reason.
Source?
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Some good humor in this thread.
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Agreed.
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Isn’t it somewhere between possible and probable that we obtain more useful information about the Chinese, at very little risk to our own sensitive information, by letting this balloon continue on its course? Like, it’s possible to have reasons to not shoot it down beyond (1) avoiding injury to people or property, or (2) fecklessness.
Yes. Much further on the “probable” side of that spectrum.
I'm surprised anyone is worried about a baloon over rural Missouri. Anyone with TikTok is sending location data, photographs, and more to the chinese government daily. I think that people don't totally understand how much data can be collected and sent by just opening an app even without letting it record.
Right? Kind of reminds me of people posting from their cell phones about not getting vaccinated because the government is putting microchips in people to track them. Oh the irony.
Some good humor in this thread.
Yes.
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Nope. According to Lenny’s and 4ever, unless you shoot it down immediately, you’re weak.
Nah, the kolek up, aka Afghanistan, proved that a couple years sgo, aina?
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Nope. According to Lenny’s and 4ever, unless you shoot it down immediately, you’re weak.
Liar
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Our best man on his way up to deal with it.
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DONE!!
How wonderful to have a rational, smart adult as president.
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I mention that in my prayers every night.
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Pakuni
You would have added to this thread by refraining to stopping by. Stick to throwing out dental crime jokes. That is your strong suit on scoop.
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OK, scoop dad. You are 10x worse than the sultan in that way.
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DONE!!
How wonderful to have a rational, smart adult as president.
Glad he took one of my suggestions rather than the “Let it be, no big deal” approach favored Scoop’s so called intelligentsia.
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Glad he waited until it was away from civilians.
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unnatural carnal knowledge*ng Biden. Provokes China by publicly destroying a harmless balloon. Risks our entire nation with the threat of war.
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Lenny
I hope the Mopes are upset by the waste of money and risking casualties by shooting down the weather balloon.
It really is surprising that the media is covering such a non event.
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Lenny’s can sleep at night. His president has balls and the scary Chinese balloon is gone.
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Lenny
I hope the Mopes are upset by the waste of money and risking casualties by shooting down the weather balloon.
It really is surprising that the media is covering such a non event.
Things that might be in the balloon:
Illegals
Terrorists
Covid
Free iPhones
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It clearly wasn't enough of a threat that it couldn't wait until it was offshore to take it down. I doubt we will ever be told exactly what was on it.
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Things that might be in the balloon:
Illegals
Terrorists
Covid
Free iPhones
And the woke mob
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Sultan
If it did not need to be shot down, why did they shoot it down?
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Lenny
I hope the Mopes are upset by the waste of money and risking casualties by shooting down the weather balloon.
It really is surprising that the media is covering such a non event.
Again, no one is saying such thing
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Sultan
If it did not need to be shot down, why did they shoot it down?
Who said it didn’t need to be shot down? I trust the powers that be to make the correct decision.
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Goose is bending reality to defend his boy Lenny today. Pretty sad.
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Glad he took one of my suggestions rather than the “Let it be, no big deal” approach favored Scoop’s so called intelligentsia.
Why are you happy about escalating tensions with the Chinese? Is war with them something you want?
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I already feel safer.
Not safe enough to go anywhere close to downtown Milwaukee, though.
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Fluff
How am I bending reality? I happen to believe that China is our greatest threat as country and think this was a big deal. As I mentioned, CNN has spent a lot of time on the balloon and possibly it is a bigger deal than some on here believe.
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Lenny
I hope the Mopes are upset by the waste of money and risking casualties by shooting down the weather balloon.
It really is surprising that the media is covering such a non event.
Because it is. I 100 know you're smarter than this.
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Fluff
How am I bending reality? I happen to believe that China is our greatest threat as country and think this was a big deal. As I mentioned, CNN has spent a lot of time on the balloon and possibly it is a bigger deal than some on here believe.
Cable news covers a controversial story to create viewership?
Color me shocked!
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Cable news covers a controversial story to create viewership?
Color me shocked!
It beats caravan TV
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Lenny
I hope the Mopes are upset by the waste of money and risking casualties by shooting down the weather balloon.
It really is surprising that the media is covering such a non event.
They waited until it was over the ocean to shoot it down, doofus.
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Hards
So, just to be clear, do you think this was an event or a non event?
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Hards
So, just to be clear, do you think this was an event or a non event?
Non event. As I mentioned earlier in the thread these type of things happen all the time. Civilians spotted the balloon and media picked up on it.
The US military doesn't tell us every time they're tested.
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Safety is in strength, aina?
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Hards
Not trying to be argumentative, but I just heard on CNN that Biden wanted to shot it down on Wednesday. Why would he have wanted to do that?
I believe the national security knew of the balloon over 48 hours before “civilians “ spotted the balloon.
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Safety is in strength, aina?
Where was the danger?
Consider, for once, that you don't know jack.
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Hards
Not trying to be argumentative, but I just heard on CNN that Biden wanted to shot it down on Wednesday. Why would he have wanted to do that?
I believe the national security knew of the balloon over 48 hours before “civilians “ spotted the balloon.
Because that's when it became political. He was afraid of exactly what happened. Free agitprop for the GOP.
Oh, also, Biden is a dumbass. His only strength is that he does have the ability to acknowledge this and listen to experts.
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When did it become political? Before or after a Biden wanting to shoot down on Wednesday?
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When did it become political? Before or after a Biden wanting to shoot down on Wednesday?
That's when he knew it would become political. I apologize if that wasn't clear.
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Legit lol’ ing this has continued through the game on national Marquette day
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Legit lol’ ing this has continued through the game on national Marquette day
I'm at home watching, I can multi task. ;D
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Dat write, ewe graduated Muchum Cum Lousy, aina?
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Dat write, ewe graduated Muchum Cum Lousy, aina?
You should repeat this one again, maybe it'll be funnier the third time.
aina.
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Goose is bending reality to defend his boy Lenny today. Pretty sad.
Liar.
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When did it become political? Before or after a Biden wanting to shoot down on Wednesday?
I'm confused Goose. There are reports he gave the go ahead to shoot it down on Wednesday? What on earth is going on here?
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Do you ever watch Tucker Carlson. Because I already know the answer. You've admitted as much.
The outrage from the right wing lunatics is precisely what you're saying. They were handed the talking points, and you're simply regurgitating them.
I almost never watch Tucker. You obviously are one of his regulars.
Susan Collins was just quoted saying almost verbatim what I said earlier. While she is a Republican, she’s also elected in Maine. Referring to her as a right wing lunatic is something only your basic, every day, run of the mill lunatic would do. Congrats.
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Oh....I guess they took it down about 30 mins ago.
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Things that are scarier than Chinese spy balloons:
Fentanyl Halloween candy
Library books
Pride flags
Drag shows
Transgender swimmers
Big Gubmint coming for your gas stoves
Canada
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I'm confused Goose. There are reports he gave the go ahead to shoot it down on Wednesday? What on earth is going on here?
Feds had ta push more Aricept in'm furst, hey?
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Muggsy
Ask the experts on here. There are plenty of guys that are national security experts.
I’m with you and confused why the POTUS wanted to shoot down a weather balloon. Thankfully, national security did not allow Biden to create a national disaster or international incident.
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😂
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Safety is in strength, aina?
Let the cold war mentality die. It's over.
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jesmu
So, do you dismiss China as a threat to the USA?
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I almost never watch Tucker. You obviously are one of his regulars.
Susan Collins was just quoted saying almost verbatim what I said earlier. While she is a Republican, she’s also elected in Maine. Referring to her as a right wing lunatic is something only your basic, every day, run of the mill lunatic would do. Congrats.
Ah, so you admit it.
And I never watch him. I just know his playbook since it's so obvious a child could predict what he is going to say on a nightly basis.
after all, he's just "asking questions".
Interesting that you're using finger to the air Susan Collins as a bell weather of centrism.
She's only liberal enough to dupe her constituency. She's allowed to vote the way she does when the math still works out for her party. It's cover. She has never cast a single deciding vote on a liberal piece of legislation. But you knew that, because you're so damn smart, Lenny.
Right? You knew that. Right?
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Lenny, you and I should never fear, 'cuz Hards is always here, hey?
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Lenny, you and I should never fear, 'cuz Hards is always here, hey?
I'm always here for you.
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Aw, thanks kin. Feelin' safer now, man, hey?
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jesmu
So, do you dismiss China as a threat to the USA?
Never said that
Do you believe China is a threat? If so, why? And, if so, how did that come to be?
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Aw, thanks kin. Feelin' safer now, man, hey?
Glad to hear it.
Clearly no one else seems to be.
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jesmu
I definitely believe they are a major threat and became one when we surrendered our supply chain to China. We can go back 25 years and say every administration and corporate America ignored the threat.
I believe that the USA, both parties, either ignored or miscalculated the emergence of China. I have been a zealot on this topic for a very long time.
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jesmu
I definitely believe they are a major threat and became one when we surrendered our supply chain to China. We can go back 25 years and say every administration and corporate America ignored the threat.
I believe that the USA, both parties, either ignored or miscalculated the emergence of China. I have been a zealot on this topic for a very long time.
China is pinned in and has a 3rd world navy. They don't have domestic oil production. Their population is in decline. Their entire economy is based on their exports to the Western world.
Their biggest strength is their despotic form of 'communism' (lol) and their ability to pivot their resources to their biggest need.
I would love to hear how they're going to take over the world.
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Hards
Take over the world? That is funny. Do something really stupid or irresponsible, definite possibility. China has grown much bigger balls under Xi and would never assume they will be a good global citizen.
Again, you and others have your opinion, I just think it is delusional. I have no political agenda on this topic, both parties have failed the American public and created an enemy. Can debate if a real threat or a paper Tiger, but they are an enemy.
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Hards
Take over the world? That is funny. Do something really stupid or irresponsible, definite possibility. China has grown much bigger balls under Xi and would never assume they will be a good global citizen.
Again, you and others have your opinion, I just think it is delusional. I have no political agenda on this topic, both parties have failed the American public and created an enemy. Can debate if a real threat or a paper Tiger, but they are an enemy.
They're a paper tiger. Not an enemy. Are they more forward thinking? In some respects, yes. In others, they're light years behind.
Both the US and China have their flaws and they're quite obvious.
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Ah, so you admit it.
And I never watch him. I just know his playbook since it's so obvious a child could predict what he is going to say on a nightly basis.
after all, he's just "asking questions".
Interesting that you're using finger to the air Susan Collins as a bell weather of centrism.
She's only liberal enough to dupe her constituency. She's allowed to vote the way she does when the math still works out for her party. It's cover. She has never cast a single deciding vote on a liberal piece of legislation. But you knew that, because you're so damn smart, Lenny.
Right? You knew that. Right?
Collins is a far right winger who has duped the centrist citizens of Maine for decades. They’re all stupid but you’re on to her.
And you’ve never watched Tucker Carlson but you have memorized his “playbook”.
Your arrogance and simple mindedness are absolutely stunning.
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Balloon is a distant relative of ball. So if you know ball, you know balloon.
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Hards
You are off your rocker if you do not think
China is an enemy of the United States.
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Collins is a far right winger who has duped the centrist citizens of Maine for decades. They’re all stupid but you’re on to her.
And you’ve never watched Tucker Carlson but you have memorized his “playbook”.
Your arrogance and simple mindedness are absolutely stunning.
Not what I said. Good try though.
I said she votes where she is told. They all hold on to power the best way that they can. But she is a Republican through and through. Her votes that are centrist are merely to keep her constituency voting for her as a centrist. McConnell is the smartest majority leader in the history of the US Senate. Possibly the the best politician since LBJ.
Yes, Tucker is easy to figure out after five minutes. He plays to your most base instincts. Everything he has an interest in is based in fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the other. Fear of exile. Fear of death. Fear of insignificance.
Watch him for a few minutes. He is a predator. He wants to elicit an emotional response. And it is always FEAR.
He has nothing to positive to say seven days out of seven. He sells fear better than anyone. And he's mainstream so he isn't scary.
That is why he is dangerous.
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Hards
You are off your rocker if you do not think
China is an enemy of the United States.
In what respect, exactly. Do they want to be the next super power? Yes, of course. Everyone does.
What large country doesn't have these aspirations?
None can challenge American global hegemony. Their best bet is to tear us down from the inside. And of course they'll try. Russia will try. Hell.... Turkey is an ally and they're trying to supplant American power in Europe and the Middle East. Can you blame them for trying though?
None of them have the power that the US has globally. Not even close.
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Roswell 2.0
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Muggsy
Ask the experts on here. There are plenty of guys that are national security experts.
I’m with you and confused why the POTUS wanted to shoot down a weather balloon. Thankfully, national security did not allow Biden to create a national disaster or international incident.
I assume you are referring to the same National Security that trump trashed as he stood shoulder to shoulder with Putin?
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Jockey
Why bring up Trump? I would rather rehash the Wojo era than the Trump era on scoop. For the record, I have no interest in talking about the Wojo era.
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Jockey
Why bring up Trump? I would rather rehash the Wojo era than the Trump era on scoop. For the record, I have no interest in talking about the Wojo era.
He can't help himself.
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jesmu
I definitely believe they are a major threat and became one when we surrendered our supply chain to China. We can go back 25 years and say every administration and corporate America ignored the threat.
I believe that the USA, both parties, either ignored or miscalculated the emergence of China. I have been a zealot on this topic for a very long time.
Goose, I agree with you as to China being our biggest threat (other than trump, of course).
But we actually surrendered our supply chain starting 40 years ago when companies were encouraged and rewarded for eliminating good paying union jobs for American workers by closing American plants and sending jobs overseas.
You are right to put the blame on all administrations - at least up through Bush. BO and trump were a bit better and Biden has been better yet. But it is still gonna be a long slog.
I don’t think China is an imminent military threat, though. Their people will put up with a repressive government if they are comfortable financially. Any military action would bankrupt China. Not a good idea to get a billion people made at their government. Xi is too pragmatic to do more than make threats.
Just my opinion, of course.
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Goose, I agree with you as to China being our biggest threat (other than trump, of course).
But we actually surrendered our supply chain starting 40 years ago when companies were encouraged and rewarded for eliminating good paying union jobs for American workers by closing American plants and sending jobs overseas.
You are right to put the blame on all administrations - at least up through Bush. BO and trump were a bit better and Biden has been better yet. But it is still gonna be a long slog.
I don’t think China is an imminent military threat, though. Their people will put up with a repressive government if they are comfortable financially. Any military action would bankrupt China. Not a good idea to get a billion people made at their government. Xi is too pragmatic to do more than make threats.
Just my opinion, of course.
Hey this is decent.
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Goose, I agree with you as to China being our biggest threat (other than trump, of course).
But we actually surrendered our supply chain starting 40 years ago when companies were encouraged and rewarded for eliminating good paying union jobs for American workers by closing American plants and sending jobs overseas.
You are right to put the blame on all administrations - at least up through Bush. BO and trump were a bit better and Biden has been better yet. But it is still gonna be a long slog.
I don’t think China is an imminent military threat, though. Their people will put up with a repressive government if they are comfortable financially. Any military action would bankrupt China. Not a good idea to get a billion people made at their government. Xi is too pragmatic to do more than make threats.
Just my opinion, of course.
I have myriad opinions on offshoring that have crystallized even further in the last 18-24 months, but that’s a topic to another thread.
You point out an interesting nuance to the China military discussion, which is finances, and I think the HUGE unknown in all of this. I don’t think anyone in the West truly knows what sort of financial state China is in. For all their great advances forward, they got way over their skis in many regards and the depth to which that is affecting them negatively is so hard to gauge due to their lack of transparency and false reporting.
Their military is concern due to sheer size. They have very good tech, I imagine a good aerial attack, and many MANY bodies to throw forward. But can they afford to do anything of note? That is a big unknown that very few people truly can speak to, especially not any civilian
I’m REALLY curious to speak to some of my Chinese associates in the coming year, face to face where they are more open, and see how they really felt about everything COVID related. Cause that’s an interesting stress test for a populous gobbling up what is spoon fed by the CCP as it would pertain to something like sizable military action.
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I have myriad opinions on offshoring that have crystallized even further in the last 18-24 months, but that’s a topic to another thread.
You point out an interesting nuance to the China military discussion, which is finances, and I think the HUGE unknown in all of this. I don’t think anyone in the West truly knows what sort of financial state China is in. For all their great advances forward, they got way over their skis in many regards and the depth to which that is affecting them negatively is so hard to gauge due to their lack of transparency and false reporting.
Their military is concern due to sheer size. They have very good tech, I imagine a good aerial attack, and many MANY bodies to throw forward. But can they afford to do anything of note? That is a big unknown that very few people truly can speak to, especially not any civilian
I’m REALLY curious to speak to some of my Chinese associates in the coming year, face to face where they are more open, and see how they really felt about everything COVID related. Cause that’s an interesting stress test for a populous gobbling up what is spoon fed by the CCP as it would pertain to something like sizable military action.
Be good to have you follow up on this after talking to your contacts.
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I have myriad opinions on offshoring that have crystallized even further in the last 18-24 months, but that’s a topic to another thread.
You point out an interesting nuance to the China military discussion, which is finances, and I think the HUGE unknown in all of this. I don’t think anyone in the West truly knows what sort of financial state China is in. For all their great advances forward, they got way over their skis in many regards and the depth to which that is affecting them negatively is so hard to gauge due to their lack of transparency and false reporting.
Their military is concern due to sheer size. They have very good tech, I imagine a good aerial attack, and many MANY bodies to throw forward. But can they afford to do anything of note? That is a big unknown that very few people truly can speak to, especially not any civilian
I’m REALLY curious to speak to some of my Chinese associates in the coming year, face to face where they are more open, and see how they really felt about everything COVID related. Cause that’s an interesting stress test for a populous gobbling up what is spoon fed by the CCP as it would pertain to something like sizable military action.
Preach.
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I have myriad opinions on offshoring that have crystallized even further in the last 18-24 months, but that’s a topic to another thread.
You point out an interesting nuance to the China military discussion, which is finances, and I think the HUGE unknown in all of this. I don’t think anyone in the West truly knows what sort of financial state China is in. For all their great advances forward, they got way over their skis in many regards and the depth to which that is affecting them negatively is so hard to gauge due to their lack of transparency and false reporting.
Their military is concern due to sheer size. They have very good tech, I imagine a good aerial attack, and many MANY bodies to throw forward. But can they afford to do anything of note? That is a big unknown that very few people truly can speak to, especially not any civilian
I’m REALLY curious to speak to some of my Chinese associates in the coming year, face to face where they are more open, and see how they really felt about everything COVID related. Cause that’s an interesting stress test for a populous gobbling up what is spoon fed by the CCP as it would pertain to something like sizable military action.
Would you mind expanding?
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Show your work, hey?
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Be good to have you follow up on this after talking to your contacts.
Absolutely
Would you mind expanding?
I’ll put together a bigger post in the COVID Economy thread, but it’s beyond the “find factories to do work for super cheap” mentality of the last few decades. I’ve understood it, but after doing contract manufacturing in China and India and few other countries, and speaking to my friends who did similar in Mexico, Vietnam, and Turkey, I’d much prefer domestic if ANYWHERE close (within even 20-25% of cost) for a bunch of reasons.
But for skilled white collar office work, the dynamic has changed completely. It’s an unintended consequence of a strong push for remote and WFH situations. And it’s not penny pinching, it’s cost efficiency. If they won’t be in the office and zooming in anyways, why pay the price premium for domestic?
In 20 plus years of business, we never outsourced and offshored anything, other than local techs and customer service at foreign offices. But we have a software engineer retiring. She’s been mostly remote since just before COVID and fully remote for the last 2 years. Replacing her, for about 60% of the price of a 20-30 hour US contractor, much less a full time employee, we can get someone with her same skill set, speaking great English, and have room to incentivize/“promote”/bonus going forward and still improve the fixed cost of that role.
We actually got connected to a talent pool and the process through a partner company in the EU who completely reshaped their software development and database teams this way, saved a bunch of money while growing their team by 25-30%, improving a bunch of delivery and customer satisfaction metrics, and diversified their employee pool from various spots in Asia and Latin America, bringing extra perspective to a company with a global customer base
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jesmu
I definitely believe they are a major threat and became one when we surrendered our supply chain to China. We can go back 25 years and say every administration and corporate America ignored the threat.
I believe that the USA, both parties, either ignored or miscalculated the emergence of China. I have been a zealot on this topic for a very long time.
I can remember the argument for allowing them into the WTO that they would become more like us, more democratic. Actually I think we have become more like them. Congress passed a quarter trillion dollar bill so we can manufacture computer chips here. Once that money runs out will we still be able to manufacture computer chips at a profit here or will we have to establish a state run computer industry.
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I can remember the argument for allowing them into the WTO that they would become more like us, more democratic. Actually I think we have become more like them. Congress passed a quarter trillion dollar bill so we can manufacture computer chips here. Once that money runs out will we still be able to manufacture computer chips at a profit here or will we have to establish a state run computer industry.
I rarely agree with what you say, but I agree here.
Further, a quarter trillion dollars isn't enough. We will end up manufacturing the chips that we can produce here, but Taiwan has cornered the market on the high end stuff. And we need it. For national security reasons. I don't have a solution, and the island of Taiwan itself is of massive geopolitical importance even without the chip manufacturing.
Absolutely
I’ll put together a bigger post in the COVID Economy thread, but it’s beyond the “find factories to do work for super cheap” mentality of the last few decades. I’ve understood it, but after doing contract manufacturing in China and India and few other countries, and speaking to my friends who did similar in Mexico, Vietnam, and Turkey, I’d much prefer domestic if ANYWHERE close (within even 20-25% of cost) for a bunch of reasons.
But for skilled white collar office work, the dynamic has changed completely. It’s an unintended consequence of a strong push for remote and WFH situations. And it’s not penny pinching, it’s cost efficiency. If they won’t be in the office and zooming in anyways, why pay the price premium for domestic?
In 20 plus years of business, we never outsourced and offshored anything, other than local techs and customer service at foreign offices. But we have a software engineer retiring. She’s been mostly remote since just before COVID and fully remote for the last 2 years. Replacing her, for about 60% of the price of a 20-30 hour US contractor, much less a full time employee, we can get someone with her same skill set, speaking great English, and have room to incentivize/“promote”/bonus going forward and still improve the fixed cost of that role.
We actually got connected to a talent pool and the process through a partner company in the EU who completely reshaped their software development and database teams this way, saved a bunch of money while growing their team by 25-30%, improving a bunch of delivery and customer satisfaction metrics, and diversified their employee pool from various spots in Asia and Latin America, bringing extra perspective to a company with a global customer base
Yep, this is correct. And since we have no strong labor unions, capital will continue to move production and now service overseas. There is no counterbalance for what the market has decided. The battle is one sided and essentially over in the US.
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I think that computer industry infusion is critical. It has to be viewed as infrastructure. Supply chain issues with computer chips have hamstrung the auto industry. Also, with all of the weapons we have sold to Ukraine, the US need to be able to produce chips for the military. Imagine, for a moment, that China decides that US support for Ukraine means that they will enact a trade embargo with the US, specifically on computer chips.
So, I understand your argument strictly from a free market perspective. I think in the modern era, it can be argued that a country being able to produce their own computer chips falls under national security.
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.... defense officials said that three such balloons entered American airspace three times during the Trump administration and once earlier in the Biden administration...
Yup, next time, going outside, flipping it off and mooning it.
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Thanks wags
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Yep, this is correct. And since we have no strong labor unions, capital will continue to move production and now service overseas. There is no counterbalance for what the market has decided. The battle is one sided and essentially over in the US.
What do you think this mean long-term for the US economy and for US workers?
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.... defense officials said that three such balloons entered American airspace three times during the Trump administration and once earlier in the Biden administration...
Yup, next time, going outside, flipping it off and mooning it.
I mean if we didn’t have a short memory you could point out the weird drone incidents during the trump years that we never got answers on. But folks are looking for any reason to raise their hackles. Just the way things are now. Trump could sneeze and a couple people here would have an aneurism and Biden could pause and others would call him DOA.
That being said, the balloon is a non issue and would have been shot down well before our airspace if it posed a true threat. NORAD saluted you.
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The Americans were able to collect intelligence on the balloon as it flew over the U.S., giving them a number of days to analyze it and learn how it moved and what it was capable of surveilling, according to two senior defense officials said. The officials briefed reporters on condition of anonymity.
The officials said the U.S. military was constantly assessing the threat, and concluded that the technology on the balloon didn’t give the Chinese significant intelligence beyond what it could already obtain from satellites, though the U.S. took steps to mitigate what information it could gather as it moved along.
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The Americans were able to collect intelligence on the balloon as it flew over the U.S., giving them a number of days to analyze it and learn how it moved and what it was capable of surveilling, according to two senior defense officials said. The officials briefed reporters on condition of anonymity.
The officials said the U.S. military was constantly assessing the threat, and concluded that the technology on the balloon didn’t give the Chinese significant intelligence beyond what it could already obtain from satellites, though the U.S. took steps to mitigate what information it could gather as it moved along.
Shocking.
But what do I know?
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😂
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What do you think this mean long-term for the US economy and for US workers?
As long as we are all comfortable and not starving we will accept the status quo.
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"Yes, Tucker is easy to figure out after five minutes. He plays to your most base instincts. Everything he has an interest in is based in fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the other. Fear of exile. Fear of death. Fear of insignificance."
ok, i'll admit i watch tucker and he never brought you up once hardy, but you sound like one angry depressed dude. and oh yeah, the projection from you and your peeps is absolutely amazing
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"Yes, Tucker is easy to figure out after five minutes. He plays to your most base instincts. Everything he has an interest in is based in fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the other. Fear of exile. Fear of death. Fear of insignificance."
ok, i'll admit i watch tucker and he never brought you up once hardy, but you sound like one angry depressed dude. and oh yeah, the projection from you and your peeps is absolutely amazing
You didn't need to admit that, it's pretty obvious to everyone. Much like your many, many insecurities.
You're so cute. Stupid as hell, but cute. I salute you, for being so entertaining.
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As long as we are all comfortable and not starving we will accept the status quo.
And those in power, know it.
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Guys, geez. The dentists from suburban Milwaukee may be old and creepy and lack grammar, but they are definitely experts in international relations.
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So reading through this thread....do you guys actually disagree about anything? It seems like everyone agrees that the balloon should have been shot down once it was in a safe location to do so...which is that happened.
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So reading through this thread....do you guys actually disagree about anything? It seems like everyone agrees that the balloon should have been shot down once it was in a safe location to do so...which is that happened.
Thanks Jockey for noting: ..."The Americans were able to collect intelligence on the balloon as it flew over the U.S., giving them a number of days to analyze it and learn how it moved and what it was capable of surveilling, according to two senior defense officials said. The officials briefed reporters on condition of anonymity.The officials said the U.S. military was constantly assessing the threat, and concluded that the technology on the balloon didn’t give the Chinese significant intelligence beyond what it could already obtain from satellites, though the U.S. took steps to mitigate what information it could gather as it moved along...." Then....
We waited until the balloon was over Myrtle Beach gathering super-secret intelligence on the miniature golf course scene there...then...
boom ...great planning/great shot.
The falling debris avoided hitting any person or property on land and kerplunked in :
1) US territorial waters ;
2) in water less than 50 ft deep..(when its that shallow we can use Navy salvage divers to fetch it all-- think Men of Honor movie); and
3) instead of a protracted recovery effort, we will fully collect all the leftovers and be gone in a few days...(to learn fully of its workings/functions/capabilities).
WOW!
When those tasked with handling perform to near perfection they get my atta boy
Great shot Maverick!
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When those tasked with handling perform to near perfection they get my atta boy
Great shot Maverick!
For as inept and backwards as our Healthcare system and political leaders are, the US military is one pristine machine.
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SNL had funny open on the balloon last night.
"Americans think a balloon is doing surveillance on them but yet all have an Alexa in their house."
I saw a meme floating around that said "A balloon is floating over the USA and this is how the media is covering it.". It showed a picture of an alien ship from the movie Independence Day.
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So reading through this thread....do you guys actually disagree about anything? It seems like everyone agrees that the balloon should have been shot down once it was in a safe location to do so...which is that happened.
Fascinating, aina?
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So reading through this thread....do you guys actually disagree about anything? It seems like everyone agrees that the balloon should have been shot down once it was in a safe location to do so...which is that happened.
That was my suggestion from the beginning. For that I was mocked for making a mountain out of a molehill, told my opinion (which the “experts” agreed with from the jump as we all know) was presumptuous and called a right wing, Tucker loving extremist. Now I guess I’m a Biden apologist. Gotta love Scoop.
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Yet, here we all are.
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That was my suggestion from the beginning. For that I was mocked for making a mountain out of a molehill, told my opinion (which the “experts” agreed with from the jump as we all know) was presumptuous and called a right wing, Tucker loving extremist. Now I guess I’m a Biden apologist. Gotta love Scoop.
No, Lenny, it wasn't. You mocked the approach that was being taken and when asked what should have been done instead, you offered many suggestions, like shooting it down earlier, shooting it down over land and hoping no one below got hurt, and finding a way to bring it down without blowing it up.
You 100 percent did not suggest the approach that was taken.
The receipts are on page one of this thread.
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No, Lenny, it wasn't. You mocked the approach that was being taken and when asked what should have been done instead, you offered many suggestions, like shooting it down earlier, shooting it down over land and hoping no one below got hurt, and finding a way to bring it down without blowing it up.
You 100 percent did not suggest the approach that was taken.
The receipts are on page one of this thread.
Lol right?
Always the victim though.
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That was my suggestion from the beginning. For that I was mocked for making a mountain out of a molehill, told my opinion (which the “experts” agreed with from the jump as we all know) was presumptuous and called a right wing, Tucker loving extremist. Now I guess I’m a Biden apologist. Gotta love Scoop.
That's what you took from what he said? Dear lord, you're way too far gone.
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That was my suggestion from the beginning.
Actually, when asked what you thought China would have done, you said:
China would have brought the balloon down by whatever means they deemed the most efficient. They would be going over the contents with a fine tooth comb to determine what we were after and whether we have technologies currently unavailable to them. ... I’d be OK with us doing the same.
Obviously, then, you're OK with exactly what the United States did and continues to do.
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SNL had funny open on the balloon last night.
"Americans think a balloon is doing surveillance on them but yet all have an Alexa in their house."
Interesting point. We also have navigation systems in our cell phones that know our every move. I get in my car and depending on day and time my navigation system in my phone maps me to Church, Publix, Home Depot or my favorite restaurant. The Chinese know a lot more about us than anyone imagines!
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Absolutely
I’ll put together a bigger post in the COVID Economy thread, but it’s beyond the “find factories to do work for super cheap” mentality of the last few decades. I’ve understood it, but after doing contract manufacturing in China and India and few other countries, and speaking to my friends who did similar in Mexico, Vietnam, and Turkey, I’d much prefer domestic if ANYWHERE close (within even 20-25% of cost) for a bunch of reasons.
But for skilled white collar office work, the dynamic has changed completely. It’s an unintended consequence of a strong push for remote and WFH situations. And it’s not penny pinching, it’s cost efficiency. If they won’t be in the office and zooming in anyways, why pay the price premium for domestic?
In 20 plus years of business, we never outsourced and offshored anything, other than local techs and customer service at foreign offices. But we have a software engineer retiring. She’s been mostly remote since just before COVID and fully remote for the last 2 years. Replacing her, for about 60% of the price of a 20-30 hour US contractor, much less a full time employee, we can get someone with her same skill set, speaking great English, and have room to incentivize/“promote”/bonus going forward and still improve the fixed cost of that role.
We actually got connected to a talent pool and the process through a partner company in the EU who completely reshaped their software development and database teams this way, saved a bunch of money while growing their team by 25-30%, improving a bunch of delivery and customer satisfaction metrics, and diversified their employee pool from various spots in Asia and Latin America, bringing extra perspective to a company with a global customer base
I can see IT jobs being outsourced. I worked in R&D in Big Pharma and they too out sourced jobs in particular to India both IT and clinical. Some of the IT jobs remained outsourced, but after a year the clinical R&D jobs were brought back especially in the pharmacovigilance sector.
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So reading through this thread....do you guys actually disagree about anything? It seems like everyone agrees that the balloon should have been shot down once it was in a safe location to do so...which is that happened.
What a bogus excuse. I am sure it could have been shot down "safely" well before it reached the Atlantic. When the Columbia Space Shuttle disintegrated on re-entry over Texas it did not cause any deaths or major property damage on the ground that I recall. There is probably another reason why they did not shoot it down, but I am skeptical of the safe location reason.
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Interesting point. We also have navigation systems in our cell phones that know our every move. I get in my car and depending on day and time my navigation system in my phone maps me to Church, Publix, Home Depot or my favorite restaurant. The Chinese know a lot more about us than anyone imagines!
Why would they care? Why would we care?
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What a bogus excuse. I am sure it could have been shot down "safely" well before it reached the Atlantic. When the Columbia Space Shuttle disintegrated on re-entry over Texas it did not cause any deaths or major property damage on the ground that I recall. There is probably another reason why they did not shoot it down, but I am skeptical of the safe location reason.
That is quite the comparison
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ok, i'll admit i watch tucker
Even though in court Fox argued that no reasonable person could take what he says seriously?
Oh wait, I see the problem now.
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What a bogus excuse. I am sure it could have been shot down "safely" well before it reached the Atlantic. When the Columbia Space Shuttle disintegrated on re-entry over Texas it did not cause any deaths or major property damage on the ground that I recall. There is probably another reason why they did not shoot it down, but I am skeptical of the safe location reason.
They obviously wanted to wait to do it over water so Hunter’s laptop would be destroyed.
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They obviously wanted to wait to do it over water so Hunter’s laptop would be destroyed.
They should have shot it down over a caravan to inflict maximum damage or downtown milwaukee
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What a bogus excuse. I am sure it could have been shot down "safely" well before it reached the Atlantic. When the Columbia Space Shuttle disintegrated on re-entry over Texas it did not cause any deaths or major property damage on the ground that I recall. There is probably another reason why they did not shoot it down, but I am skeptical of the safe location reason.
The shuttle, which was significantly smaller, disintegrated as it re-entered the atmosphere, breaking into tens of thousands of pieces, the large majority of which still have not been recovered.
It's not an apples to apples comparison.
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On a less serious note, I found it kind of hilarious that the shooting down of the balloon was the first air to air “kill” for the F-22 Raptor, which has been in service almost 25 years. It obviously speaks to the changing nature of war and its sort of a blessing that American pilots haven’t needed to engage hostiles in dicey air to air combat, but amusing that such an incredible piece of aeronautical development and technology had a milestone like this. I imagine the pilot got some good natured ribbing back at base
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No, Lenny, it wasn't. You mocked the approach that was being taken and when asked what should have been done instead, you offered many suggestions, like shooting it down earlier, shooting it down over land and hoping no one below got hurt, and finding a way to bring it down without blowing it up.
You 100 percent did not suggest the approach that was taken.
The receipts are on page one of this thread.
I said the options were 1) shooting it down over water after it entered our waters and before it reached land 2) shooting it down over land that was virtually uninhabited or 3) if realistic, puncture the balloon and bring it down safely.
Scoop mopes laughed at the idea of shooting it down at all. To them, it was a big nothingburger, a joke. Nothing to see here. For some unknown reason, we decided to traverse our western waters and virtually uninhabited areas over Alaska and Montana and waited until it was over the Atlantic to take it down. But better late than never.
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Scoop mopes laughed at the idea of shooting it down at all.
No, Scoop mopes laughed at the panic a balloon instilled in the meat eaters.
For some unknown reason, we decided to traverse our western waters and virtually uninhabited areas over Alaska and Montana and waited until it was over the Atlantic to take it down. But better late than never.
You've been told the reason. Over and over again.
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No, Scoop mopes laughed at the panic a balloon instilled in the meat eaters.
You've been told the reason. Over and over again.
I see a lot of moping in this thread alright 😂
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I also enjoy tonight's story that 3 Chinese balloons passed over the USA during the Trump administration who obviously did not shoot them down.
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I also enjoy tonight's story that 3 Chinese balloons passed over the USA during the Trump administration who obviously did not shoot them down.
Interesting that there doesn't appear to have been any outrage.
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Those were the greatest balloons ever trying to see all of the winning up close.
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I really don't know if Lenny's is intentionally spinning what he said earlier in this topic, or if he simply forgot what he said, but either way it's funny as hell to watch him backtrack.
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There are/were several possibilities. It could have been shot down before it was over water jbut in our air space. It could have been shot down over some area where there was little or no chance of impacting the population. Perhaps there’s a way of bringing it down without essentially blowing it up - a tear in the balloon, something of that sort. Or we could do nothing and learn nothing about what was in the balloon, harrumph a bit and cancel our Secretary of State’s trip to China.
I don’t have the information to say what I would do, but I definitely wouldn’t laugh it off as no big deal like Tower, Bias and others have done. And unless there’s something they’re not telling us I wouldn’t have chosen the do nothing option.
Sultan
Here’s what I said earlier when asked - by you - what I would do. Just what I repeated 7 pages later.
You, on the other hand, never shared what you would do. Just like with every other topic, you like to wait until the game is over.
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Sultan
Here’s what I said earlier when asked - by you - what I would do. Just what I repeated 7 pages later.
You, on the other hand, never shared what you would do. Just like with every other topic, you like to wait until the game is over.
I trusted the process. That perhaps the administration and the military know more than I do about this. Perhaps they have even dealt with this issue before.
Lo and behold...
Did you learn your lesson that not everything requires a Tucker-inspired take? That maybe jumping to conclusions based on limited data is unwise?
I'm guessing the answer will prove to be "no."
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I trusted the process. That perhaps the administration and the military know more than I do about this. Perhaps they have even dealt with this issue before.
Lo and behold...
Did you learn your lesson that not everything requires a Tucker-inspired take? That maybe jumping to conclusions based on limited data is unwise?
I'm guessing the answer will prove to be "no."
My take was to bring it down safely, something they finally did. Better late than never.
And how can my take be “Tucker inspired” when I never heard him comment on the situation? You’re a liar and a despicable human being.
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The shuttle, which was significantly smaller, disintegrated as it re-entered the atmosphere, breaking into tens of thousands of pieces, the large majority of which still have not been recovered.
It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Coach Buses have average lengths of 39'4” (12 m), widths of 8'4” (2.55 m), heights of 12'6” (3.81 m), and have a capacity of 44-49 (+1) seats.
The shuttle measures 122.2 feet long, 56.67 feet high, with wingspan of 78.06 feet.
The balloon was reported to be the size of 3 busses. So both are approximately the same size with shuttle being slightly larger.
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My take was to bring it down safely, something they finally did. Better late than never.
And how can my take be “Tucker inspired” when I never heard him comment on the situation? You’re a liar and a despicable human being.
It's a good thing I don't give a sh*t about your opinion on pretty much anything.
And you know deep down in your heart that I'm not lying.
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Coach Buses have average lengths of 39'4” (12 m), widths of 8'4” (2.55 m), heights of 12'6” (3.81 m), and have a capacity of 44-49 (+1) seats.
The shuttle measures 122.2 feet long, 56.67 feet high, with wingspan of 78.06 feet.
The balloon was reported to be the size of 3 busses. So both are approximately the same size with shuttle being slightly larger.
Fantastic
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What a bogus excuse. I am sure it could have been shot down "safely" well before it reached the Atlantic. When the Columbia Space Shuttle disintegrated on re-entry over Texas it did not cause any deaths or major property damage on the ground that I recall. There is probably another reason why they did not shoot it down, but I am skeptical of the safe location reason.
The shuttle was three times higher up and traveling significantly faster, scattering debris over a much larger area. Really bad comparison.
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It's a good thing I don't give a sh*t about your opinion on pretty much anything.
LOL. That’s why you stalk me.
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Coach Buses have average lengths of 39'4” (12 m), widths of 8'4” (2.55 m), heights of 12'6” (3.81 m), and have a capacity of 44-49 (+1) seats.
The shuttle measures 122.2 feet long, 56.67 feet high, with wingspan of 78.06 feet.
The balloon was reported to be the size of 3 busses. So both are approximately the same size with shuttle being slightly larger.
You do realize that the shuttle burned up as it re-entered the atmosphere, which was expected to render it harmless to those on the ground.
The balloon and all its equipment was not going to re-enter the atmosphere. There would have been no "burning up," and the debris would have landed intact on the ground potentially harming individuals or property. Not to mention, we do not fully know what type of equipment or related hazards were on board that could have harmed individuals on the ground.
The shuttle is one of the worst analogies I can conceive of.
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LOL. That’s why you stalk me.
Someone doesn’t understand the definition of words again!!!!!
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LOL. That’s why you stalk me.
Sultan is just trying to be friends with you.
But his personality disorders keep him from making friends, so he tries harder.
Rinse, repeat.
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What’s ironic is one of the meat eating lover boys literally did online stalk people from MUScoop. And any time it’s brought up…crickets.
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What a bogus excuse. I am sure it could have been shot down "safely" well before it reached the Atlantic. When the Columbia Space Shuttle disintegrated on re-entry over Texas it did not cause any deaths or major property damage on the ground that I recall. There is probably another reason why they did not shoot it down, but I am skeptical of the safe location reason.
Shuttle is a terrible analogy. I'll leave that as is.
As for doubting the action of "safety" I will also disagree. The US military determined (probably very easily) the non threat level of the balloon, determined it couldn't gain any tactical advantage already gathered by a satellite, and lastly determined the threat was so minor l, and didn't fly over any areas that would be sensitive relative to the balloon (they would have shot it down the moment any national security threat arised)
They concluded that they could wait until it was absolutely sure no danger to any American or resident and then shot it down instantly.
No doubt they had security flying with it the entire time.
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What’s ironic is one of the meat eating lover boys literally did online stalk people from MUScoop. And any time it’s brought up…crickets.
To be fair, as insane and unhinged as that was, I’m not sure what more there is to say or be brought up about it? Especially given then perpetrator no longer posts here
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To be fair, as insane and unhinged as that was, I’m not sure what more there is to say or be brought up about it? Especially given then perpetrator no longer posts here
Not sure. I was told I “played the victim” earlier this week. So I just asked how Keefe was doing and asked that the person let him know we miss him around here. That went ignored.
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So I just asked how Keefe was doing and asked that the person let him know we miss him around here.
Whats this "we", masked man?
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Wades
I have no idea who said you played the victim and why it was even being discussed. I think Wags was spot on in his post, I have no idea what type of response you want when bringing that back up.
But, for one last time, Keefe is doing extremely well. Happy, healthy and enjoying his family. Again, I do not know who the question was asked to about Keefe, but I answered anyway.
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Wades
I have no idea who said you played the victim and why it was even being discussed. I think Wags was spot on in his post, I have no idea what type of response you want when bringing that back up.
But, for one last time, Keefe is doing extremely well. Happy, healthy and enjoying his family. Again, I do not know who the question was asked to about Keefe, but I answered anyway.
Great. Glad to hear he’s doing well. If you had given me an answer on it before, sorry I missed it.
Tell him hello for me.
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Wades
No question was directed to me and I felt no need to address the topic. Other than rehashing that you were a victim several years ago, I see no sense in getting into a discussion with you. We get it, you are pissed and rightfully so, what else do you want?
You seem to have a fixation with the MS group and it is unhealthy. Truthfully, I think you had a right to be angry and should have moved on. My gut tells me that you are a forgiving person as a rule, IMO, that is a good rule to live by.
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I trusted the process. That perhaps the administration and the military know more than I do about this. Perhaps they have even dealt with this issue before.
Lo and behold...
Did you learn your lesson that not everything requires a Tucker-inspired take? That maybe jumping to conclusions based on limited data is unwise?
I'm guessing the answer will prove to be "no."
do you "trust the process" with everything you hear or only if your comrade news sources say it's so? well they were telling you that multiple balloons flew during the previous admin too?? so the media who hated the previous admin with a vengeance just kinda let those go? wouldn't that have been real proof of "russian infiltration" and how they "stole the election"? don't get me started with dr fettucine again
you are either being disingenuous, naive, or lying but probably all of the above. i guess now tucker carlson has been discredited because ya'll say so, but that also tells me you guys are afraid of what he has to offer because there just might be an element of truth.
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do you "trust the process" with everything you hear or only if your comrade news sources say it's so? well they were telling you that multiple balloons flew during the previous admin too?? so the media who hated the previous admin with a vengeance just kinda let those go? wouldn't that have been real proof of "russian infiltration" and how they "stole the election"? don't get me started with dr fettucine again
you are either being disingenuous, naive, or lying but probably all of the above. i guess now tucker carlson has been discredited because ya'll say so, but that also tells me you guys are afraid of what he has to offer because there just might be an element of truth.
I don't really know what you are attempting to say. Putting coherent thoughts together isn't really your strong suit. But I will attempt to address your points.
1. I trust that our military leaders knew about this balloon long before we did. I believe that they had a much better handle on how to manage this situation than the typical Scooper or anyone in the news media. This isn't a partisan take.
2. I believe US spy officials who say this has happened before. It wasn't reported by the media because they didn't know about it. Apparently Trump didn't know about it either. That could mean that the agency didn't think they were a big deal OR because they decided not to tell him. The latter is a problem.
3. These balloons have nothing to do with Russia or any election. Strange way to throw that in there.
4. Fauci has been right WAY more than you have so perhaps that's not the slam you think it is.
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Wades
No question was directed to me and I felt no need to address the topic. Other than rehashing that you were a victim several years ago, I see no sense in getting into a discussion with you. We get it, you are pissed and rightfully so, what else do you want?
You seem to have a fixation with the MS group and it is unhealthy. Truthfully, I think you had a right to be angry and should have moved on. My gut tells me that you are a forgiving person as a rule, IMO, that is a good rule to live by.
Fair enough. Good advice. Thank you. If you talk to Keefe again please pass along my forgiveness. I’d do it myself but he has gone MIA since then and I have no interest in trying to figure out who he is and get his personal contact information. Had he reached out to apologize, something I think most true men like him typically do when the mess up, I would’ve been happy to tell him myself. I’d think it would’ve been easy enough for him to find a way to contact me, given he found my name, place of employment, job title, and the email addresses of all 3 HR employees at the company. Think he probably could’ve found my email to reach out to me too. So sorry to ask you to tell him he’s forgiven but I’ll move on now that I’ve forgiven him.
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I don't really know what you are attempting to say. Putting coherent thoughts together isn't really your strong suit. But I will attempt to address your points.
1. I trust that our military leaders knew about this balloon long before we did. I believe that they had a much better handle on how to manage this situation than the typical Scooper or anyone in the news media. This isn't a partisan take.
2. I believe US spy officials who say this has happened before. It wasn't reported by the media because they didn't know about it. Apparently Trump didn't know about it either. That could mean that the agency didn't think they were a big deal OR because they decided not to tell him. The latter is a problem.
3. These balloons have nothing to do with Russia or any election. Strange way to throw that in there.
4. Fauci has been right WAY more than you have so perhaps that's not the slam you think it is.
thank you for taking the time out of your busy monday morning schedule
i know i know, the i can't understand what you're trying to say blah blah...
that's what's scary-our military knew about this long before we did??? so how long have they been letting these things just stroll along capturing whatever it is they want? many here seem to think, well satellites can do the same...really? the chinese "experts" seem to think differently.
once again, if you are believing everything "they" are telling you, you are being...simple minded
turn it around-you seem so trusting of your media. if this happened during trump era, we all would still be hearing about it, NOT just now. i'm sick of the retort-"they all do it"
yeah, fettucine was only wrong about origin of virus, masks and gain of function experiments being funded by us, but otherwise he was all good?
the excuses being made about this balloon need further scrutiny for sure. especially given the fact that we will be finding out soon how much money the "big guy" got from his side binesses-let's start with the biden-penn center, hey, wasn't he a 'professor" there? i think he took the amtrack there so many times it pushed him over the million mile club and free drinks in the lounge car
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The military and intelligence gathering agencies are supposed to know about stuff lime this before the media and the public. That is their job.
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You don't think the military knew about this before we did? And you're calling me simple minded and naive? The military, intelligence infrastructure, etc. know about all sorts of stuff than you and I don't know about. And that's fine. That happens regardless of who the president is.
And I have no idea why you keep bringing up "the media." I don't sit and consume media 24/7 like some people do.
the excuses being made about this balloon need further scrutiny for sure. especially given the fact that we will be finding out soon how much money the "big guy" got from his side binesses-let's start with the biden-penn center, hey, wasn't he a 'professor" there? i think he took the amtrack there so many times it pushed him over the million mile club and free drinks in the lounge car
You do realize that this type of nonsense is why no one here takes you seriously right? Just nonsense upon nonsense.
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The shuttle was three times higher up and traveling significantly faster, scattering debris over a much larger area. Really bad comparison.
...but not significantly smaller as stated by Pakuni. They shot the balloon down about 7 miles off the coast within viewing distance of residences and tourists on Myrtle Beach. I am sure there are plenty of spots in Montana with a 7 mile radius where there are no people or buildings.
https://time.com/6253086/china-spy-balloon-shot-down-myrtle-beach-onlookers/
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I think it's important to see information from both sides of the spectrum. It's good to see I can just come to MUScoop and get the talking points from Fox News regurgitated here without actually having to watch it.
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thank you for taking the time out of your busy monday morning schedule
i know i know, the i can't understand what you're trying to say blah blah...
that's what's scary-our military knew about this long before we did??? so how long have they been letting these things just stroll along capturing whatever it is they want? many here seem to think, well satellites can do the same...really? the chinese "experts" seem to think differently.
once again, if you are believing everything "they" are telling you, you are being...simple minded
turn it around-you seem so trusting of your media. if this happened during trump era, we all would still be hearing about it, NOT just now. i'm sick of the retort-"they all do it"
yeah, fettucine was only wrong about origin of virus, masks and gain of function experiments being funded by us, but otherwise he was all good?
the excuses being made about this balloon need further scrutiny for sure. especially given the fact that we will be finding out soon how much money the "big guy" got from his side binesses-let's start with the biden-penn center, hey, wasn't he a 'professor" there? i think he took the amtrack there so many times it pushed him over the million mile club and free drinks in the lounge car
Gents - if you want to argue about playing a man vs zone defense against a Chinese balloon, have at it. If you want to piss and moan about politics, I'll ban you. Have at it.
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thank you for taking the time out of your busy monday morning schedule
i know i know, the i can't understand what you're trying to say blah blah...
that's what's scary-our military knew about this long before we did??? so how long have they been letting these things just stroll along capturing whatever it is they want? many here seem to think, well satellites can do the same...really? the chinese "experts" seem to think differently.
once again, if you are believing everything "they" are telling you, you are being...simple minded
turn it around-you seem so trusting of your media. if this happened during trump era, we all would still be hearing about it, NOT just now. i'm sick of the retort-"they all do it"
yeah, fettucine was only wrong about origin of virus, masks and gain of function experiments being funded by us, but otherwise he was all good?
the excuses being made about this balloon need further scrutiny for sure. especially given the fact that we will be finding out soon how much money the "big guy" got from his side binesses-let's start with the biden-penn center, hey, wasn't he a 'professor" there? i think he took the amtrack there so many times it pushed him over the million mile club and free drinks in the lounge car
/swoons
9 out of 10
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...but not significantly smaller as stated by Pakuni. They shot the balloon down about 7 miles off the coast within viewing distance of residences and tourists on Myrtle Beach. I am sure there are plenty of spots in Montana with a 7 mile radius where there are no people or buildings.
https://time.com/6253086/china-spy-balloon-shot-down-myrtle-beach-onlookers/
Do you really think the military and intelligence professionals haven't thought this through???
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...but not significantly smaller as stated by Pakuni. They shot the balloon down about 7 miles off the coast within viewing distance of residences and tourists on Myrtle Beach. I am sure there are plenty of spots in Montana with a 7 mile radius where there are no people or buildings.
https://time.com/6253086/china-spy-balloon-shot-down-myrtle-beach-onlookers/
The mistake you're making here - one of many - is counting the size of only the structure under the balloon, not the entire balloon.
And you continue to ignore the fact the shuttle disintegrated into tens of thousands of pieces, most so small they never were recovered.
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That's funny coming from you.
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The mistake you're making here - one of many - is counting the size of only the structure under the balloon, not the entire balloon.
And you continue to ignore the fact the shuttle disintegrated into tens of thousands of pieces, most so small they never were recovered.
According to reports the "balloon was the size of 3 buses". No mention of the structure under the balloon.
https://time.com/6253002/chinese-balloon-weather-balloon-experts/
https://apnews.com/article/politics-united-states-government-antony-blinken-china-b1b03193b7abeb7bbeca169bbc7c2c53
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I heard the Chinese launched the balloon with one of these....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instructables.com%2FWater-Balloon-Launcher%2F&psig=AOvVaw2czDnOD6S6JhGukCTRcwkM&ust=1675786779579000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAwQjRxqFwoTCLj6_c-mgf0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
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Do you really think the military and intelligence professionals haven't thought this through???
I am sure they have. I just don't buy the "safety" reason given.
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According to reports the "balloon was the size of 3 buses". No mention of the structure under the balloon.
https://time.com/6253002/chinese-balloon-weather-balloon-experts/
https://apnews.com/article/politics-united-states-government-antony-blinken-china-b1b03193b7abeb7bbeca169bbc7c2c53
Officials have so far determined that the potential damage of falling debris from the balloon – its substructure is roughly 90 feet while the balloon itself is significantly larger and taller, according to a defense official – outweighs the risk of the balloon itself. But that’s not to say that it couldn’t be shot down eventually; a senior defense official said Thursday that the US has “options to deal with this balloon” if the risk assessment changes.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/04/politics/chinese-spy-balloon-us-latest/index.html
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Officials have so far determined that the potential damage of falling debris from the balloon – its substructure is roughly 90 feet while the balloon itself is significantly larger and taller, according to a defense official – outweighs the risk of the balloon itself. But that’s not to say that it couldn’t be shot down eventually; a senior defense official said Thursday that the US has “options to deal with this balloon” if the risk assessment changes.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/04/politics/chinese-spy-balloon-us-latest/index.html
According to the report in Time:
The Chinese balloon clocks in at around 90 feet wide, or the length of three buses, according to U.S. defense officials.
According to the AP:
The Pentagon and other U.S. officials say it was a Chinese spy balloon — about the size of three school buses — that moved east over America at an altitude of about 60,000 feet (18,600 meters). The U.S. says it was being used for surveillance and intelligence collection, but officials have provided few details.
If the defense the department is sending out mixed messages about the size of the balloon I'm not sure what to believe about "safety concerns" for not shooting it down sooner.
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I am sure they have. I just don't buy the "safety" reason given.
So your preference is that Biden ignored the balloon like a previous president did?
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So your preference is that Biden ignored the balloon like a previous president did?
We should have captured and questioned the balloon
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We should have captured and questioned the balloon
According to the SNL skit it flew over Montana because the balloon is a big fan of Yellowstone.
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So your preference is that Biden ignored the balloon like a previous president did?
How can any President ignore something they were never briefed on? Biden is the President and he could easily declassify a security briefing that Trump received about Chinese balloons over US airspace to prove that Trump's denial that he knew about Chinese spy balloons is false. Until then will just let the liberal media and conservative media disseminate their preferred narratives.
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How can any President ignore something they were never briefed on? Biden is the President and he could easily declassify a security briefing that Trump received about Chinese balloons over US airspace to prove that Trump's denial that he knew about Chinese spy balloons is false. Until then will just let the liberal media and conservative media disseminate their preferred narratives.
Yes. We should declassify the report so the wackos believe it’s actually true. I’m sure that’ll convince them. 🙄🙄🙄
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Yes. We should declassify the report so the wackos believe it’s actually true. I’m sure that’ll convince them. 🙄🙄🙄
So who is telling the truth?
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Yes. We should declassify the report so the wackos believe it’s actually true. I’m sure that’ll convince them. 🙄🙄🙄
Well, if the Report is classified, can't we just have someone stop by Joe's Garage and pick up a copy??
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Well, if the Report is classified, can't we just have someone stop by Joe's Garage and pick up a copy??
Or maybe Donny's! Maybe we can pick up his tax returns while we're there.
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Ugh ... wrong thread
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Well, if the Report is classified, can't we just have someone stop by Joe's Garage and pick up a copy??
Oh, my. Holy pot/kettle, splinter/plank vibe.
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Huh.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-reports-pentagon-blocked-chinese-spy-balloon-from-collecting-data-from-sensitive-sites-with-security-protections-shields/
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do you "trust the process" with everything you hear or only if your comrade news sources say it's so? well they were telling you that multiple balloons flew during the previous admin too?? so the media who hated the previous admin with a vengeance just kinda let those go? wouldn't that have been real proof of "russian infiltration" and how they "stole the election"? don't get me started with dr fettucine again
you are either being disingenuous, naive, or lying but probably all of the above. i guess now tucker carlson has been discredited because ya'll say so, but that also tells me you guys are afraid of what he has to offer because there just might be an element of truth.
Seek help.
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I'm not a member of National Security, but I do read MUScoop.
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You know what? Rocket and the rest of the crazy MAGA gang of dentists on here have convinced me…that we should have loaded their asses onto the ballon and let it go on its merry way back to China.
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Wades
But, for one last time, Keefe is doing extremely well. Happy, healthy and enjoying his family.
Is he getting the professional help that he so obviously needs?
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Right on cue, the Rs have announced an investigation into Biden's cowardice, treason, and acquiescence to the Chinese over the "Chinese Balloon Attack", as the National Review referred to it as.
"I will be demanding answers and will hold the admin accountable for this embarrassing display of weakness," Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), the chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee, said Saturday.
Reality check: Biden wanted the balloon shot down. The Pentagon advised him to wait until it was safe because they didn't want to rain debris on Americans on the ground. The best time to do that was when it got over water."
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Right on cue, the Rs have announced an investigation into Biden's cowardice, treason, and acquiescence to the Chinese over the "Chinese Balloon Attack", as the National Review referred to it as.
"I will be demanding answers and will hold the admin accountable for this embarrassing display of weakness," Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), the chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee, said Saturday.
Reality check: Biden wanted the balloon shot down. The Pentagon advised him to wait until it was safe because they didn't want to rain debris on Americans on the ground. The best time to do that was when it got over water."
I thought for sure they’d be tackling wasteful spending and the federal budget.
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BDS
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According to reports the "balloon was the size of 3 buses". No mention of the structure under the balloon.
Must’ve been the size of 3 Fung Wah buses. (If you know, you know)…
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BDS
Hmmmm
I agree, but do you know what this stands for?
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I use it as Biden Derangement Syndrome.
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"Reality check: Biden wanted the balloon shot down. The Pentagon advised him to wait until it was safe because they didn't want to rain debris on Americans on the ground. The best time to do that was when it got over water."
really? you auditioning for don lemon's job? it was detected 5 days earlier flying over the west coast of alaska and the aleutian islands. why didn't uncle joe order it to be basted when it was out over the pacific waters?? if we can put a missile thru a toilet bowl 100 miles away, i believe we have the ability to vaporize things out of harms way.
you guys flailing away with your excuses belittling anyone who disagrees with you looks pretty ridiculous and embarrassing.
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"Reality check: Biden wanted the balloon shot down. The Pentagon advised him to wait until it was safe because they didn't want to rain debris on Americans on the ground. The best time to do that was when it got over water."
really? you auditioning for don lemon's job? it was detected 5 days earlier flying over the west coast of alaska and the aleutian islands. why didn't uncle joe order it to be basted when it was out over the pacific waters?? if we can put a missile thru a toilet bowl 100 miles away, i believe we have the ability to vaporize things out of harms way.
you guys flailing away with your excuses belittling anyone who disagrees with you looks pretty ridiculous and embarrassing.
“It’s illegal to shoot down anything outside of that 12-mile coastal range. That’s the reason I’m told they did not shoot it down near the Aleutians,” Griffin added, referring to calls on the right that the balloon should have been shot down earlier.
Well that was easy!
Any other well researched tears to cry there Roqquet man?
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they told you to say that, wades, didn't they?
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"Reality check: Biden wanted the balloon shot down. The Pentagon advised him to wait until it was safe because they didn't want to rain debris on Americans on the ground. The best time to do that was when it got over water."
really? you auditioning for don lemon's job? it was detected 5 days earlier flying over the west coast of alaska and the aleutian islands. why didn't uncle joe order it to be basted when it was out over the pacific waters?? if we can put a missile thru a toilet bowl 100 miles away, i believe we have the ability to vaporize things out of harms way.
you guys flailing away with your excuses belittling anyone who disagrees with you looks pretty ridiculous and embarrassing.
What is it like to live inside your own detached reality with no access to the real world? Where everyone shows you daily how detached you are. And then you just keep believing that everyone else must be nuts.
I have no idea what it is like to live in such a constant state of denial of the realities of the world. I'd probably go nuts and start posting nonsense on a college basketball board.
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What is it like to live inside your own detached reality with no access to the real world? Where everyone shows you daily how detached you are. And then you just keep believing that everyone else must be nuts.
I have no idea what it is like to live in such a constant state of denial of the realities of the world. I'd probably go nuts and start posting nonsense on a college basketball board.
Admitting it is the first step for you to get help. I'll pray for you hards.
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Admitting it is the first step for you to get help. I'll pray for you hards.
Thanks, that's worth nothing, and I knew it would be the amount of effort you'd contribute. As usual!
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Thanks, that's worth nothing, and I knew it would be the amount of effort you'd contribute. As usual!
Ironic, isn't it?