2023 NFL Draft/Offseason

[MU82]

Allen's is $150MM guaranteed for injury, $100MM full guaranteed.  For a 26 year old top 5 QB in the league, thats basically $150MM guaranteed for me.  I don't see him (or Jackson for this discussion) falling off enough in the next 4-5 seasons that they would be cut, saving the extra $50MM.

Cam Newton would be the closest, but his issue was injury related.  If his contract was guaranteed like Allen's is, I don't see him getting cut the way he did.

Jackson missed the final 4 games of the 2021 season (and 5 overall), a big reason Baltimore didn't make the playoffs. He then missed the final 5 games of the 2022 regular season as well as Baltimore's playoff game, which the team lost.

When he was healthy, he went 1-3 in the postseason, with Baltimore scoring 17, 12 and 3 points in the losses. His stats in those games are pretty bad.

Jackson is a talent, and he is at least as accomplished as Watson (without having any of Watson's off-field baggage). But Jackson isn't as accomplished as some others who have been mentioned in this thread -- especially Mahomes and Rodgers. He also has taken a lot of hits, and each of his last 2 seasons have ended in injury well before the playoffs.

Put all that together and it doesn't seem to scream mega-guaranteed-contract.

[WhiteTrash]

Allen's is $150MM guaranteed for injury, $100MM full guaranteed.  For a 26 year old top 5 QB in the league, thats basically $150MM guaranteed for me.  I don't see him (or Jackson for this discussion) falling off enough in the next 4-5 seasons that they would be cut, saving the extra $50MM.

Cam Newton would be the closest, but his issue was injury related.  If his contract was guaranteed like Allen's is, I don't see him getting cut the way he did.

I know Jackson was offered $133Mil fully guaranteed. I have not seen his injury guaranty amount. I'd guess $180-190mil.

I think Jackson is concerned about being cut during his contract if his injury issues continue and only plays 50% of games. I think he is correct in his thinking about this and that is why he has dug his heals in. If he was confident in his ability to be available he'd ask for a Mahomes type contract.

Big picture, the Ravens offer was very fair and in line with the market. This is why teams don't want to engage with him. BUT, Lamar has every right to ask for it and with his history of injuries he is justified in seeking the fully guaranteed amount.

[DegenerateDish]

YouTube announced Sunday Ticket pricing, and it’s ridiculous.

YouTube TV subscribers:
• $349/season ($249 if you purchase before June 6)
• $389 ($289 early) if you bundle with RedZone

Non-YouTube TV subscribers:
• $449/season ($349 early)
• $489 ($389 early) with RedZone

[RJax55]

YouTube announced Sunday Ticket pricing, and it’s ridiculous.

YouTube TV subscribers:
• $349/season ($249 if you purchase before June 6)
• $389 ($289 early) if you bundle with RedZone

Non-YouTube TV subscribers:
• $449/season ($349 early)
• $489 ($389 early) with RedZone

What were you expecting?

[DegenerateDish]

What were you expecting?

$250ish, sub $300 for sure.

[CreightonWarrior]

As an out of market packers fan i may need to get it this year.

[StillAWarrior]

$250ish, sub $300 for sure.

Didn't you say that it's $249 if you sign up early?

[DegenerateDish]

Didn't you say that it's $249 if you sign up early?

If you're a YTTV subscriber, and purchase before June 6th, yes.

I think what YTTV is severely missing is that DTV subscribers (like me) were getting the ticket for free forever. Now, that doesn't mean I'm not willing to pay for the Ticket on YTTV (I am), but DTV's price was around $250 each year. I'm on a bunch of text threads right now with friends who aren't YTTV subscribers, and the $350 cost (if we buy early) is still a little rich.

Will the stream hold up? Will the game delay be on par with DTV Sunday Ticket (especially if you're live betting)? Need to see the interface and what mix options are available.

I'm very much what their target market should be, and I don't think I'm cheap and don't mind paying for quality, but this seems priced out of the gate too high for my liking.

[Pakuni]

YouTube announced Sunday Ticket pricing, and it’s ridiculous.

YouTube TV subscribers:
• $349/season ($249 if you purchase before June 6)
• $389 ($289 early) if you bundle with RedZone

Non-YouTube TV subscribers:
• $449/season ($349 early)
• $489 ($389 early) with RedZone

The pricing is fine. The lack of single team and./or single game options is what's ridiculous.

[tower912]

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/04/lions-reportedly-trade-jeff-okudah-to-falcons-for-fifth-round-pick.html

Solid return on a former #3 overall.

[Jockey]

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/04/lions-reportedly-trade-jeff-okudah-to-falcons-for-fifth-round-pick.html

Solid return on a former #3 overall.

So they will go CB on their 1st pick? What do they do if 4 QBs go ahead of them and either Carter or Anderson is still on the board?

[tower912]

They have used free agency to fill their secondary. 

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/3/6/23626274/2023-detroit-lions-free-agency-offseason-tracker-latest-signings-trades


  IMO, Carter at 6 and a DB at 18.    But, Holmes and Campbell have shown a willingness to wheel and deal.   So, anybody who claims to know is lying.   5 picks in the first 81 and 9 overall this year gives them a lot to bargain with.   

[Pakuni]

They have used free agency to fill their secondary. 

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/3/6/23626274/2023-detroit-lions-free-agency-offseason-tracker-latest-signings-trades


  IMO, Carter at 6 and a DB at 18.    But, Holmes and Campbell have shown a willingness to wheel and deal.   So, anybody who claims to know is lying.   5 picks in the first 81 and 9 overall this year gives them a lot to bargain with.

It wouldn't have surprised me at all if Detroit went with a corner before trading Okudah, and now I wonder if it's more likely to happen than not. Gardner-Johnson is a slot/safety, ideally not a guy you want outside and both he and Mosely signed only 1-year deals. Nothing they did in FA should preclude them from looking to shore up the position long term.

Carter? Maybe. I don't know if he slips past 5, whether it be Seattle or someone like Philly moving up for him. But even if he's there, given all we've heard about him during the draft process, he doesn't seem like a Dan Campbell kind of player.

[MU82]

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/04/lions-reportedly-trade-jeff-okudah-to-falcons-for-fifth-round-pick.html

Solid return on a former #3 overall.

Wow. Because I don't follow the Lions at all, I didn't know Okudah was a bust. That's crazy.

[DegenerateDish]

I mentioned this earlier, the latency issue is going to be a huge problem for many (if you don’t bet or play fantasy, you probably won’t care).

From the Super Bowl, measured latency with YTTV was 54 seconds from real time. DTV Sunday Ticket averaged about 27 seconds for 2022 as a whole.

[WhiteTrash]

As an out of market packers fan i may need to get it this year.

Is this really they year you want to spend that money on the Pack? 

[Pakuni]

Looks like a group featuring 76ers owner Josh Harris and Magic Johnson may soon own the Washington Football Team, at a cost of about $6 billion.

[Uncle Rico]

Looks like a group featuring 76ers owner Josh Harris and Magic Johnson may soon own the Washington Football Team, at a cost of about $6 billion.

Good day for Commanders fans and the NFL

[RJax55]

Good day for Commanders fans and the NFL

More like Liberation Day for Commanders fans

[nyg]

Looks like a group featuring 76ers owner Josh Harris and Magic Johnson may soon own the Washington Football Team, at a cost of about $6 billion.

Dan Synder bought the Skins for 800 million, believe in 1999.  Not a bad investment, 5.2 billion profit. 

[Uncle Rico]

Dan Synder bought the Skins for 800 million, believe in 1999.  Not a bad investment, 5.2 billion profit.

He probably spent 5.2 billion in fines, though

[nyg]

He probably spent 5.2 billion in fines, though

10 million fines.

Guy was a jerk and hated in the ranks.  Demands on coaches led to a bunch of hirings/firings.  Fed Ex Field had minimum upgrades, but practice facilities in Virginia are very nice and up to date.  Hope new owners leave GM and coaches to do their jobs.  Attached is a timeline, crazy.


https://wjla.com/sports/washington-commanders/dan-snyder-sell-sold-nfl-timeline-tanya-redskins-fedex-field-norv-turner-ron-rivera-house-committee-sexual-assault-workplace-misconduct-nfc-east-landover-spurrier-rg3-gibbs-ashburn-eagles-giants-cowboys-josh-harris-magic-johnson-mitchell-rales#

[JWags85]

10 million fines.

Guy was a jerk and hated in the ranks.  Demands on coaches led to a bunch of hirings/firings.  Fed Ex Field had minimum upgrades, but practice facilities in Virginia are very nice and up to date.  Hope new owners leave GM and coaches to do their jobs.  Attached is a timeline, crazy.


https://wjla.com/sports/washington-commanders/dan-snyder-sell-sold-nfl-timeline-tanya-redskins-fedex-field-norv-turner-ron-rivera-house-committee-sexual-assault-workplace-misconduct-nfc-east-landover-spurrier-rg3-gibbs-ashburn-eagles-giants-cowboys-josh-harris-magic-johnson-mitchell-rales#

Just a remarkable case study of the mindless set it and forget it investment bonanza that is owning an NFL team.  Terrible owner, terrible person, bad stadium, scandal, only 5 playoff appearances and a single post season victory in nearly 25 years of ownership and he’s making like 6x on a nearly 9 figure investment.  Wild

[RJax55]

Just a remarkable case study of the mindless set it and forget it investment bonanza that is owning an NFL team.  Terrible owner, terrible person, bad stadium, scandal, only 5 playoff appearances and a single post season victory in nearly 25 years of ownership and he’s making like 6x on a nearly 9 figure investment.  Wild

Given how terribly run the organization was in really all facets (Football operation, business operation, PR/marketing, culture, etc) it's a miracle that Snyder Communications was successful enough to allow Dan the ability to purchase the team in the first place.

[MU82]

Kendall, Shiv and Roman would have paid $10B!