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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mu-rara on December 16, 2009, 04:34:52 PM
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What a blowhard. He's practically quoting posts on todays show to make Buzz look bad.
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but hogie--- that's your buddy!!
;D
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If I had something against MU I'd be quoting the stuff posted on these forums the past couple days too. There's been a lot of asinine immature comments made about the Maymon situation that I would have expected to find on BadgerNation instead of MUScoop.
Then again... if Belling spent his show quoting haikus I would like a link to the podcast please :)
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If I had something against MU I'd be quoting the stuff posted on these forums the past couple days too. There's been a lot of asinine immature comments made about the Maymon situation that I would have expected to find on BadgerNation instead of MUScoop.
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A lot of folks on this board have been on tilt and acting very immature towards an 18 year old kid. These comments reflect poorly on the entire MU community and make us look like badger fans. Folks... he's gone, please let it go!
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Mark Belling, a scum bag?
I'm surprised that you're all surprised.
a know nothing blow hard who doesn't have a sane cell in his brain is dragging someone through the dirt?
AND YOU'RE ALL SURPRISED?
remember these words if nothing else.
"Anything you say, can and will be used against you."
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And people wonder why some of us get upset when the board turns into the place it has been the last few days.
Be careful what you say folks, you never know who's out there reading this and how it will negatively effect the team you love.
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Oh, that's a load of crap. This is a fan message board and the team's most high profile recruit just walked out on the team. Everybody is supposed to just talk about North Florida? Get real.
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Did he say MUScoop by name?
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To quote a former coach...
It's Mark Belling. It's Mark Belling.
A no talent arse-clown.
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Art Belling is a moron who does no fact checking whatsoever.
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+1000
A lot of folks on this board have been on tilt and acting very immature towards an 18 year old kid. These comments reflect poorly on the entire MU community and make us look like badger fans. Folks... he's gone, please let it go!
This elitist crap that we are so much more civilized than (insert team of the day here, Badgers, ND, etc.) fans is just plain ridiculous. There are plenty of jack-ass fans rooting for every school and team. There are people here who will post what they think and they don't give a crap. There are others who are more refined in their approach. It's a MESSAGE BOARD. I appreciate both kinds of posters and like that the board is pretty mild with its editing. (cue uplifting music here) What brings us together is MU bball, not civility of posts, better spelling or a propensity for taking the high road.
There was a post last hour about a former player's dad getting busted for blow. I wasn't aware of it. I found it mildly interesting/amusing. A few people posted on it and it was deleted by the mods. Fine. That doesn't mean it didn't exist, or that because it's gone we are all so much better than a board where they don't delete "controversial" posts. From haiku specialists to kids who hate Real Chili to unapologetic Maymon bashers, we're no more civilized as a group than most of the fans at schools you hate.
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Oh, that's a load of crap. This is a fan message board and the team's most high profile recruit just walked out on the team. Everybody is supposed to just talk about North Florida? Get real.
Agreed. If you want to take what one post says and generalize it to stereotype all Marquette fans, the team, and anyone associated with the program then go right ahead. That's just ignorant; especially when people can hide behind screen names and anonymity. True fans take a lot of pride in their team and sometimes take things like this personally because they care. It may not be right to ridicule when we don't know the whole story but I don't think it's too far fetched to connect the dots on this one. Post what you want but don't chastise others because they say what they feel. The kid is 18, not 6, we don't need to play patty cake with him.
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This elitist crap that we are so much more civilized than (insert team of the day here, Badgers, ND, etc.) fans is just plain ridiculous. There are plenty of jack-ass fans rooting for every school and team. There are people here who will post what they think and they don't give a crap. There are others who are more refined in their approach. It's a MESSAGE BOARD. I appreciate both kinds of posters and like that the board is pretty mild with its editing. (cue uplifting music here) What brings us together is MU bball, not civility of posts, better spelling or a propensity for taking the high road.
There was a post last hour about a former player's dad getting busted for blow. I wasn't aware of it. I found it mildly interesting/amusing. A few people posted on it and it was deleted by the mods. Fine. That doesn't mean it didn't exist, or that because it's gone we are all so much better than a board where they don't delete "controversial" posts. From haiku specialists to kids who hate Real Chili to unapologetic Maymon bashers, we're no more civilized as a group than most of the fans at schools you hate.
OOOOO I LIKEY. +2
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What a blowhard. He's practically quoting posts on todays show to make Buzz look bad.
Has he recited any poetry yet?
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I guess a slow day in the news world or the guy is desperate for something to fill his radio hour, or MUSCOOP is the source for news for this guy to report. When it is all said and done, we are MU fans and always will be. Quoting Neil Young "Walk on."
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Oh, that's a load of crap. This is a fan message board and the team's most high profile recruit just walked out on the team. Everybody is supposed to just talk about North Florida? Get real.
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If we don't want this stuff talked about, then don't recruit a kid with red flags and sirens going off from day one. Risk vs reward....risk has manifested itself. Has anyone looked at the other boards of our rivals on this topic? Makes this board look like we're talking about baking cakes.
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Michael Hunt at the JS basically repeats my posts about MU whenever he writes about the program. it's annoying and Im thinking about writing him and telling him to stop or else I'm going to start sending him an invoice for "material"
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I guess a slow day in the news world or the guy is desperate for something to fill his radio hour, or MUSCOOP is the source for news for this guy to report.
For years people begged to have MU noticed in the media. There was analysis of the number of square inches devoted to an MU photo in the J/S, or whether MU was the 1st, 2nd or 3rd radio report during the sports show.
In addition, people have have praised this board for both the timeliness and completeness of the information on anything related to MU.
So now when someone in the media notices MU and cites this board as the source--it's called a "slow news day?"
You've got to take the good with the bad. For better or worse, this is a big story. It's not a "slow news day" for an MU related story to get on the air.
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belling is his name
spouts venom for all to hear
but can he haiku
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Are you really going to let a small market shock jock and the feelings of a player who just quit on his brothers, his coach, and his school dictate your behavior. I am not supporting personal attacks or inappropriate comments but we have the right to call a spade a spade. If you want to pat the Maymons on the back while they take a dump on you, go ahead. Of course that is the kind of behavior that inflates kids/parents egos and makes them think everyone should bend to their desires.
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If you want to pat the Maymons on the back while they take a dump on you, go ahead.
a violent stench
tim maymon had corn for lunch
disreputable
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I hope he uses this one....
Who the F is Mark Belling? Seriously. I have never heard of him.
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He does have some influence. What exactly did he say? Better yet, which hour of the show?
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Did he say MUScoop by name?
1) That was my thought. Free advertising :)
2) Belling going off on people overreacting? Now that's ironic.
3) He must be insulted because he thought he had the market cornered on inflammatory remarks.
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He does have some influence. What exactly did he say? Better yet, which hour of the show?
a quick question please
how many recruits listen
to this man belling
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Belling has a talent for tweaking people who take things far too seriously.
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Belling has a talent for tweaking people who take things far too seriously.
and don't you forget
high talent in ball juggling
mark belling has it
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Oh, that's a load of crap. This is a fan message board and the team's most high profile recruit just walked out on the team. Everybody is supposed to just talk about North Florida? Get real.
Agreed.
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Agreed. If you want to take what one post says and generalize it to stereotype all Marquette fans, the team, and anyone associated with the program then go right ahead. That's just ignorant; especially when people can hide behind screen names and anonymity. True fans take a lot of pride in their team and sometimes take things like this personally because they care. It may not be right to ridicule when we don't know the whole story but I don't think it's too far fetched to connect the dots on this one. Post what you want but don't chastise others because they say what they feel. The kid is 18, not 6, we don't need to play patty cake with him. Grow a pair.
[edit] Tell you what... say what you want but when Vander decommits because of this incessant whining about his best friend, DON'T come back here crying. As BMA said, there is no good that can come from the board continuing down the path of bashing an 18 year kid. Say what you want, but this board represents the MU community and don't be naive to think that the vast majority of the folks outside the board will not stereotype us based off the last few days. A lot can be said about a person during trying times and frankly, we have failed to portray the christian values we should have learned at Marquette.
If you want to talk about the impact to the team or potential recruits or how future classes should be comprised that's fine but leave the bashing of Jeronne off the board and call your buddy and tell him about it.
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Are you guys freaking serious? Go listen to the audio ... it's the first ten minutes or so of the 2nd hour of the podcast.
Belling makes no allusion to this board or anything that could possible be considered news that this site broke. I'm completely convinced that he doesn't even know this site (and maybe the Scout board) exists or, if he does, that he has ever, and I mean EVER, checked it after a breaking story.
There is absolutely no way he could be so ignorant of the situation with Maymon or of Marquette basketball generally and have checked out this site even for 5-10 minutes. Seriously. I don't think there is a single person close to him who has graduated from MU or any affiliation with Marquette.
Twice, and not in the same moment, he made the point that sources of his "in Madison" had told him that the "news was out in Wisconsin" that if you "can't get into the University of Wisconsin - Madison" that "Marquette will accept you and Buzz Williams will do anything to get you to come to MU."
Belling is a total idiot, but I suspect an ignorant one rather than a malicious one. What is certain is that the Bucky fanbase is pure slime, made all the more outrageous when you consider that as a private school Marquette cannot make up and afford to fund with taxpayer dollars fake majors like "Agricultural Journalism" for their Ron Dayne (sp)-like student athletes while Marquette student athletes have the same majors, and sit in the same classes, as regular Marquette students, all in at least somewhat legitimate academic fields.
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(http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/original/Homer%20Simpson%20Oh%20No.jpg)
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anyone have a link to the podcast so i can listen to it?
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If you go to belling.com you'll see a link for it.
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when Vander decommits because of this incessant whining about his best friend, DON'T come back here crying
Incessant whining -- that's one helluva sweeping generalization. Didn't this happen about 48 hours ago?
If "incessant whining about his best friend" would be the reason he would decommit from MU, then that would indeed say a ton about him, and ultimately, that isn't the kind of kid we would want here anyway. But that's just me.
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Are you guys freaking serious? Go listen to the audio ... it's the first ten minutes or so of the 2nd hour of the podcast.
Belling makes no allusion to this board or anything that could possible be considered news that this site broke. I'm completely convinced that he doesn't even know this site (and maybe the Scout board) exists or, if he does, that he has ever, and I mean EVER, checked it after a breaking story.
There is absolutely no way he could be so ignorant of the situation with Maymon or of Marquette basketball generally and have checked out this site even for 5-10 minutes. Seriously. I don't think there is a single person close to him who has graduated from MU or any affiliation with Marquette.
Twice, and not in the same moment, he made the point that sources of his "in Madison" had told him that the "news was out in Wisconsin" that if you "can't get into the University of Wisconsin - Madison" that "Marquette will accept you and Buzz Williams will do anything to get you to come to MU."
Belling is a total idiot, but I suspect an ignorant one rather than a malicious one. What is certain is that the Bucky fanbase is pure slime, made all the more outrageous when you consider that as a private school Marquette cannot make up and afford to fund with taxpayer dollars fake majors like "Agricultural Journalism" for their Ron Dayne (sp)-like student athletes while Marquette student athletes have the same majors, and sit in the same classes, as regular Marquette students, all in at least somewhat legitimate academic fields.
to clarify, its the second 15 minutes of the second hour if you happen to download it
it can be downloaded for free via itunes
"if a player can't get into Wisconsin, Buzz will find a way to get them into Marquette... meanwhile Marquette acts that they are holyer that thou" WOW
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Are you guys freaking serious? Go listen to the audio ... it's the first ten minutes or so of the 2nd hour of the podcast.
Belling makes no allusion to this board or anything that could possible be considered news that this site broke. I'm completely convinced that he doesn't even know this site (and maybe the Scout board) exists or, if he does, that he has ever, and I mean EVER, checked it after a breaking story.
There is absolutely no way he could be so ignorant of the situation with Maymon or of Marquette basketball generally and have checked out this site even for 5-10 minutes. Seriously. I don't think there is a single person close to him who has graduated from MU or any affiliation with Marquette.
Twice, and not in the same moment, he made the point that sources of his "in Madison" had told him that the "news was out in Wisconsin" that if you "can't get into the University of Wisconsin - Madison" that "Marquette will accept you and Buzz Williams will do anything to get you to come to MU."
Belling is a total idiot, but I suspect an ignorant one rather than a malicious one. What is certain is that the Bucky fanbase is pure slime, made all the more outrageous when you consider that as a private school Marquette cannot make up and afford to fund with taxpayer dollars fake majors like "Agricultural Journalism" for their Ron Dayne (sp)-like student athletes while Marquette student athletes have the same majors, and sit in the same classes, as regular Marquette students, all in at least somewhat legitimate academic fields.
I like many of your assumptions, where do I sign up for your newsletter?
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"the kids who can't get into madison because they won't play the game of changing their test scores can always get into marquette"
who has been changing test scores??
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lol, welcome to the Mark Belling show.
refer to my first post in the thread.
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[edit] Tell you what... say what you want but when Vander decommits because of this incessant whining about his best friend, DON'T come back here crying.
Tell you what... I won't.
If any recruit is willing to walk away from a program because fans criticized his friend after HE QUIT THE TEAM, then I don't really want them here anyway. I hope Vander is smart enough not to hitch his future to the Maymons.
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i just finished listening. really disappointed by the lack of haiku's
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Curtis Loew
Tune up that dobro
The finest picker to ever play the blues
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[edit] Tell you what... say what you want but when Vander decommits because of this incessant whining about his best friend, DON'T come back here crying. As BMA said, there is no good that can come from the board continuing down the path of bashing an 18 year kid. Say what you want, but this board represents the MU community and don't be naive to think that the vast majority of the folks outside the board will not stereotype us based off the last few days. A lot can be said about a person during trying times and frankly, we have failed to portray the christian values we should have learned at Marquette.
If you want to talk about the impact to the team or potential recruits or how future classes should be comprised that's fine but leave the bashing of Jeronne off the board and call your buddy and tell him about it.
Do you seriously believe Vander Blue is going to "decommit" based on a bunch of posts on a website? Wow. You must think you are a lot more important than you are. I wonder if Tiger "decommitted" from golf because of all the bad things ESPN said about him. When Vander Blue comes out in a press conference and says "I am decommitting from Marquette because of all those bad, nasty messages on MUscoop.com. They don't portray the Christian values they should have learned at Marquette." Then I will happily tell you you were right. Until then, stop taking everything so seriously and stop preaching to everyone.
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Belling = Towny (Blowhard - Brain) + ignorant(doucher). That is a real equation. I looked it up. On line.
He smokes Rush's pole and is a nobody. Who cares?
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Belling = Towny (Blowhard - Brain) + ignorant(doucher). That is a real equation. I looked it up. On line.
He smokes Rush's pole and is a nobody. Who cares?
That is the best post in this entire column. Thank you.
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Every single major recruit in the country has someone checking the message boards of their prospective schools. Whether they do it themselves, or their parents/relatives, friends, coaches, teachers...someone is reading the boards to try to gauge the fanbase of the school. They want to see how we talk about our players, how we talk about our coaches, how we talk about recruits. They want to see whether players get ripped after bad games, they want to see how much support players get after good games. You can pretty much guarantee that someone close to a recruit is logging into these sites every day to see what we say and how we say it.
Whether or not something like a message board should factor into a kid's college decision is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is it does.
In the past year alone MU has been involved in the recruitment of at least three if not more players that either committed to a school or chose not to commit to a school either in part or wholly because of comments on a message board.
You can complain about it all you want or deny it all you want but to do so is to be ignorant. The reality is that what is said on message boards has an effect on the program, whether you want it to or not.
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Every single major recruit in the country has someone checking the message boards of their prospective schools. Whether they do it themselves, or their parents/relatives, friends, coaches, teachers...someone is reading the boards to try to gauge the fanbase of the school. They want to see how we talk about our players, how we talk about our coaches, how we talk about recruits. They want to see whether players get ripped after bad games, they want to see how much support players get after good games. You can pretty much guarantee that someone close to a recruit is logging into these sites every day to see what we say and how we say it.
Whether or not something like a message board should factor into a kid's college decision is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is it does.
In the past year alone MU has been involved in the recruitment of at least three if not more players that either committed to a school or chose not to commit to a school either in part or wholly because of comments on a message board.
You can complain about it all you want or deny it all you want but to do so is to be ignorant. The reality is that what is said on message boards has an effect on the program, whether you want it to or not.
Show me a message board that doesn't criticize a kid for quitting the team after 10 games.
This is all nonsense!! The guy quit the team!
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Show me a message board that doesn't criticize a kid for quitting the team after 10 games.
This is all nonsense!! The guy quit the team!
AMEN!!!!!!
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Do you seriously believe Vander Blue is going to "decommit" based on a bunch of posts on a website? Wow. You must think you are a lot more important than you are. I wonder if Tiger "decommitted" from golf because of all the bad things ESPN said about him.
Seriously....that's the best analogy you could come up with?
I do think many of us here are acting with a clear lack of perspective with the whole Maymon situation. I have no problem questioning why he is leaving and the apparent foolishness of his father, but our over the top insults about his grades and his game, and culminating with the posting of court records shows how bad we can be.
And yeah, I can see how this could turn off not only Vander Blue but other potential recruits as well.
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The guy quit the team. It hurts the team in the short term, and unless some stunning new bit of information comes out, it reflects poorly on the young man and his entourage. But it is the height of hypocrisy to trash the BADger fans on the message boards for the way they treated Blue and then act the EXACT same way toward Jeronne. Either your MU education means something or it doesn't. To say that this is a message board and other people on other boards trash their players or rivals so it is not only ok but mandatory that we act the same way is the same weak argument we all used to our parents to try to get them to let us do something we knew we shouldn't. BMA is right, prospective players and their parents read this stuff. Do you want to help MU out? Rise above it. Show prospective players that their IS something different about Marquette.
Marquette is special
Prove it to all that watch us
Rise above Maymon
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See, here's the flaw in that thinking. Marquette fans are just like every other fan base .. there's a bell curve distribution of people, from the saintly, to the sinner. (UW, ND, UL, UK, NC, KU, DU, etc have their curve skewed toward sinner, of course).
Every fanbase has that curve. If recruits are reading these boards, all they can really do is observe how far left or right the curve is, but no program will have perfect fans, much the chagrin of the saintly.
Thinking each and every one of the 3,500 Scoop users are going to "rise above it" is just that: a dream. -- Personally, I haven't written my thoughts about Maymon's poor choice, but I don't fault someone who does .. and I expect it to happen.
The concept that MU's fanbase will be/should be full of let-bygones-be-bygones, forgiving, dispassionate fans who will bake a "Thanks for all the Memories" cake for Maymon .. is utopian, sure, and foolish.
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Show me a message board that doesn't criticize a kid for quitting the team after 10 games.
This is all nonsense!! The guy quit the team!
I don't think there is anything wrong with being disappointed that Maymon quit, and expressing that feeling.
But, some of the speculation here has gone as far as analyzing the relationship with his father, questioning his work ethic, saying things like "He can go play for X small school, MU doesn't need him", etc. etc.
I'm not saying it's not ok to speculate, but maybe that type of maymon chatter is better kept between friends over a beer rather than posted on a message board for the world to read.
Just sayin'.
Edit: Grammar + spelling... typed too fast the first time.
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So end the hypocrisy. If it is ok for us to go bat$h!t crazy over this, let go of the air of superiority we showed when the BADger boards went to town on Blue. Either it is ok or it isn't.
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So end the hypocrisy. If it is ok for us to go bat$h!t crazy over this, let go of the air of superiority we showed when the BADger boards went to town on Blue. Either it is ok or it isn't.
Fair enough: I HEARBY CALL AN END TO THE HYPOCRISY!
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Show me a message board that doesn't criticize a kid for quitting the team after 10 games.
This is all nonsense!! The guy quit the team!
Show me a message board for a big time program where the moderators don't kill the threads with disparaging remarks about the kid and his family.
The kid quitting the team isn't reason enough to trash him and his family.
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I apologize for hyperbole in the title of this thread.
It should read: Belling is practically using this board against MU. I did not mean to imply Belling reads this board. Many points he made I had read on the board.
Sorry.
This should be no suprise. Belling has been anti MU for years. I think this began when Fr. DiUlio tried to shut down Wisconsin Ave. It could be his inferiority complex, having attended a "STATE SCHOOL"
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His board is gentler and kinder than virtually all others. Recruits select schools based on a number of more pertinent concerns to them rather than whether the posting fanbase is bunch of goofs.
Furthermore, when one is receiving a 160k opportunity and isn't making the most of it, he deserves to get ripped.
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Every single major recruit in the country has someone checking the message boards of their prospective schools. Whether they do it themselves, or their parents/relatives, friends, coaches, teachers...someone is reading the boards to try to gauge the fanbase of the school. They want to see how we talk about our players, how we talk about our coaches, how we talk about recruits. They want to see whether players get ripped after bad games, they want to see how much support players get after good games. You can pretty much guarantee that someone close to a recruit is logging into these sites every day to see what we say and how we say it.
Whether or not something like a message board should factor into a kid's college decision is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is it does.
In the past year alone MU has been involved in the recruitment of at least three if not more players that either committed to a school or chose not to commit to a school either in part or wholly because of comments on a message board.
You can complain about it all you want or deny it all you want but to do so is to be ignorant. The reality is that what is said on message boards has an effect on the program, whether you want it to or not.
With all due respect, this is some pretty unprovable speculation and conjecture here. While there certainly has been some anecdotal evidence of players and/or their family members checking out message board, it is just that: a bunch of anecdotes. Certainly not evidence that "every single major recruit" in the nation does it.
Taking it a step furher, what is even less clear is that factors in a kid's decision. There have been a few, very rare instances in which a player has mentioned something of the sort as a small factor in his decision, but it's hardly been cited widely and almost never as an important factor.
I wholly agree with the concept that we here should be civil towards players/former players/recruits/parents, etc..
But let's not overstate our importance. On a list of factors that weigh into a recruit's decision, the tenor of message boards likely falls somewhere between "quality of half-time entertainment" and "campus commitment to recycling."
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Look guys... I follow a major SEC football team's recruiting far more closely than I follow MU basketball recruiting and I can support BMA's point that recruits, parents, and coaches read the message board. In fact, one of the top OL in the country committed to my school and one of the things he mentioned was what he and his dad read the message boards to see how the fans reacted after games. Another kid decommitted from a rival because of what his coach read on a message board about the kid. I can't even count the number of times i've read articles about recruits and they mention how they read the message boards.
Are message boards the only reason a kid commits to a school... of course not! But don't think they don't impact a young man's decision.
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In fact, one of the top OL in the country committed to my school and one of the things he mentioned was what he and his dad read the message boards to see how the fans reacted after games. Another kid decommitted from a rival because of what his coach read on a message board about the kid.
Links?
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welcome to the 21st Century.
... or is it 1984?
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Links?
The specific players i'm referencing in order are:
1) Austin Long (2009) - his dad is actually a head coach in TN and is now a semi-regular poster on ugasports.com. His other son is a big time OL prospect.
2) Jawuan James decommitted from Bama because of "questions" arising from message board speculation about potential Bama recruiting infractions.
3) Jakar Hamilton (2010), Alex Ogeltree (2010), Branden Smith (2009) all have commented they read the message boards as recruits. This is not even mentioning the current players who twitter reactions to specific posters!
Go do your research... it'll cost you about $120 per site (rivals - ugasports.com & scout - dawgpost.com) to get access to the premium content. ;D
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The specific players i'm referencing in order are:
1) Austin Long (2009) - his dad is actually a head coach in TN and is now a semi-regular poster on ugasports.com. His other son is a big time OL prospect.
2) Jawuan James decommitted from Bama because of "questions" arising from message board speculation about potential Bama recruiting infractions.
3) Jakar Hamilton (2010), Alex Ogeltree (2010), Branden Smith (2009) all have commented they read the message boards as recruits. This is not even mentioning the current players who twitter reactions to specific posters!
Go do your research... it'll cost you about $120 per site (rivals - ugasports.com & scout - dawgpost.com) to get access to the premium content. ;D
Why would I do your research, much less pay to do your research. You stated as fact that a major recruit de-committed because of something he read on a message board. If this were true, surely it would have been written about in a real publication, don't you think?
Here's such a story about James' de-commitment and, lo and behold, not a single word from the young man about message boards.
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2009/09/29/ex-bama-commit-james-opens-up-about-opening-up-recruitment/?cxntfid=blogs_recruiting
And, in another interview with his high school coach, they cite a well-publicized text-book issue at Bama as the reason for his de-commitment. One hardly would have had to visit a message board to learn about that.
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2009/09/14/bamas-ncaa-troubles-a-concern-for-north-gwinnetts-james/
I do find it a bit ironic, though, that the kid who claims he was so worried about probation at Alabama ended up committing to Tennessee.
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Why would I do your research, much less pay to do your research. You stated as fact that a major recruit de-committed because of something he read on a message board. If this were true, surely it would have been written about in a real publication, don't you think?
Here's such a story about James' de-commitment and, lo and behold, not a single word from the young man about message boards.
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2009/09/29/ex-bama-commit-james-opens-up-about-opening-up-recruitment/?cxntfid=blogs_recruiting
And, in another interview with his high school coach, they cite a well-publicized text-book issue at Bama as the reason for his de-commitment. One hardly would have had to visit a message board to learn about that.
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2009/09/14/bamas-ncaa-troubles-a-concern-for-north-gwinnetts-james/
I do find it a bit ironic, though, that the kid who claims he was so worried about probation at Alabama ended up committing to Tennessee.
Maybe he thought TENN's "hostesses" >>>>> Alabama's "hostesses"
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Why would I do your research, much less pay to do your research. You stated as fact that a major recruit de-committed because of something he read on a message board. If this were true, surely it would have been written about in a real publication, don't you think?
Here's such a story about James' de-commitment and, lo and behold, not a single word from the young man about message boards.
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2009/09/29/ex-bama-commit-james-opens-up-about-opening-up-recruitment/?cxntfid=blogs_recruiting
And, in another interview with his high school coach, they cite a well-publicized text-book issue at Bama as the reason for his de-commitment. One hardly would have had to visit a message board to learn about that.
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2009/09/14/bamas-ncaa-troubles-a-concern-for-north-gwinnetts-james/
I do find it a bit ironic, though, that the kid who claims he was so worried about probation at Alabama ended up committing to Tennessee.
Seriously dude?!?! You reference the AJC blogs as a resource for football recruiting info... LMAO!! You have no idea how little creditibilty that gives you. Go check out the premium boards or talk to an SEC recruit-nik if you want the real scoop of went down. I provided the names of three players who all were impacted by comments from a message board. Don't try to discredit me or detract from the main argument on this thread... RECRUITS READ THE MESSAGE BOARDS!
Also, please re-read my post... I said it was his coach that read about the rumored violations LONG before they became public knowledge and this was relayed to Jawuan which led to his "questions" about Bama. For what it's worth, he also now has questions about his Tenn commitment because of the hostess fiasco.
Instead of trying to discredit me, why don't you just accept the fact that some recruits read these message boards and it may have an impact on their decisions. If it impacts one potential MU recruit, that's one too many in my book.
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Recruits select schools based on a number of more pertinent concerns to them rather than whether the posting fanbase is bunch of goofs.
are you sure about this? i have read here recently that every blue chip recruit weighs heavily the random anonymous postings of fanatics in their college selection decision. I know for a fact that Al used to tell Hank, "Someday Al Gore is gonna invent the internet and then we won't be able to wait until the last minute to swoop in and sign an aircraft carrier..."
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I don't care if recruits read this message board. How's that?
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Maybe he thought TENN's "hostesses" >>>>> Alabama's "hostesses"
This is an excellent point. Perhaps our inability to sign a purpose built, combat ready big man has something to do with our Hostess Squad. Where do we stand vis-a-vis other Big East Hostess Units? Do we have a Hostess Gap with Georgetown or Syracuse? In fact, where is the link on the MU website to our Hostess Team?
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I don't care if recruits read this message board. How's that?
Honestly, I am not far from having this opinion. I care...very little...
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This is an excellent point. Perhaps our inability to sign a purpose built, combat reday big man has something to do with our Hostess Squad. Where do we stand vis-a-vios other Big East Hostess Units? Do we have a Hostess Gap with Georgetown or Syracuse? In fact, where is the link on the MU website to our Hostess Team?
Unfortunately, for many Marquette women, this the closest thing they get to a hostess team.
http://www.hostesscakes.com/
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Gentlemen
I think we have identified a serious problem with our recruiting posture - the apparent lack of a dedicated Marquette University Hostess Squad. Is Buzz aware of this? Is Fr Wild aware of this? I submit this might be a factor in the numerous transfers we have had, not just Maymon, but all the others over the years. How can we compete with Bruce Pearl when he has a world class Hostess Team? If we aspire to elite status we need to have the gear required for such ambitions.
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Seriously....that's the best analogy you could come up with?
I do think many of us here are acting with a clear lack of perspective with the whole Maymon situation. I have no problem questioning why he is leaving and the apparent foolishness of his father, but our over the top insults about his grades and his game, and culminating with the posting of court records shows how bad we can be.
And yeah, I can see how this could turn off not only Vander Blue but other potential recruits as well.
The point of the analogy was to be rediculous, just as the thought Blue will decommit based on OUR posts. He may ask for release from scholarship because his friend left and he is now skeptical but it won't be because of what's posted on this board. Let's see what Buzz says today. Maybe we will get the story.
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This is an excellent point. Perhaps our inability to sign a purpose built, combat ready big man has something to do with our Hostess Squad. Where do we stand vis-a-vis other Big East Hostess Units? Do we have a Hostess Gap with Georgetown or Syracuse? In fact, where is the link on the MU website to our Hostess Team?
Not sure about the rest of the big east but here's two things to love... bruce pearl and boobies aka UT hostesses!
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/12/500x_5364-brucepearl3.jpg)
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The point of the analogy was to be rediculous, just as the thought Blue will decommit based on OUR posts. He may ask for release from scholarship because his friend left and he is now skeptical but it won't be because of what's posted on this board. Let's see what Buzz says today. Maybe we will get the story.
You're new so I'll just link you to why Blue decommitted from UW@Madison (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11776517) instead of being a jerk to you for saying stupid things before you're even 10 posts deep into this forum.
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Let's see what Buzz says today. Maybe we will get the story.
Not bloody likely. We stand to get more insight from Tim Maymon. Not a slam against Buzz but the politcal will to be straight isn't there. Maymon's version will be slanted obviously, but he will offer details that Buzz never will.
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Not sure about the rest of the big east but here's two things to love... bruce pearl and boobies aka UT hostesses!
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/12/500x_5364-brucepearl3.jpg)
Reasons 1, 2, and 3 to go to TENN
Reason 4 to lock up your daughter around TENN, Pearl gets grabby
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Reasons 1, 2, and 3 to go to TENN
Reason 4 to lock up your daughter around TENN, Pearl gets grabby
Uh, you mean reasons 1,2...3,4...5,6 to go to TN.
Now let's see...they have a Hostess Squad and are ranked #5. We do not have a Hostess Squad...
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Reasons 1, 2, and 3 to go to TENN
Reason 4 to lock up your daughter around TENN, Pearl gets grabby
and if Pearl's fat ass wasn't in front of the bimbos, I'd be able to show you reasons 1,2,3,4,5 & 6. 8-)
Word on the street is that 4never applied to the Citadel back in the day for their "hostess" program
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You're new so I'll just link you to why Blue decommitted from UW@Madison (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11776517) instead of being a jerk to you for saying stupid things before you're even 10 posts deep into this forum.
I will add, that one of the big differences in the Blue situation, was that Wisconsin fans took a rumor about meeting between Bo and Vander and ran with the idea that his grades weren't up to par, so they didn't want him. THEN Vander de-committed.
In our current case, we got an official Marquette PR about Maymon leaving the team, and people basically have said "he's a quitter", "his dads a wacko", "He didn't want to work hard enough". Hardly anybody has said we didn't want him. Most people seem to be shocked that he thinks he's good enough to be the focal point of our offense. Who wouldn't be -except for his family apparently.
We are much more careful about comments around here when things are just rumors. This was a case when Maymon was officially gone, but suddenly and without much detail, so speculation was fair game.
Just my opinion...
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more pics of the UT hostesses...
(http://theangryt.com/wp-content/uploads/markeith_ambles1.jpg)
(http://theangryt.com/wp-content/uploads/Recruits-new.jpg)
(http://theangryt.com/wp-content/uploads/liz_brandon_harris.jpg)
(http://theangryt.com/wp-content/uploads/OP121.jpg)
(http://theangryt.com/wp-content/uploads/OP7.jpg)
(http://theangryt.com/wp-content/uploads/OP9.jpg)
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A. Those girls are not that hot.
B. I don't have a problem at all with showing these kids a good time. As long as they're not servicing these guys, what's the problem?
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A. Those girls are not that hot.
B. I don't have a problem at all with showing these kids a good time. As long as they're not servicing these guys, what's the problem?
Have you been following the story of Ms. Lacey Earps?http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/index.html)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/vols-hostesses-p1.jpg)
You might also want to check out the accusations from the AD of Marcus Lattimore's (#1 RB in 2010) high school about the hostesses inviting him to their hotel.
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Have you been following the story of Ms. Lacey Earps?http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/index.html)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/vols-hostesses-p1.jpg)
You might also want to check out the accusations from the AD of Marcus Lattimore's (#1 RB in 2010) high school about the hostesses inviting him to their hotel.
I haven't been...but that blonde IS hot!
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Nothing like being a hot college aged co-ed and being nothing more than a
cum-dumpster for high school football players.
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Nothing like being a hot college aged co-ed and being nothing more than a
cum-dumpster for high school football players.
I wonder how that goes on the resume. ::)
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I haven't been...but that blonde IS hot!
That is Ms. Lacey Earps... "girlfriend" of the top UT recruits.
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A. Those girls are not that hot.
B. I don't have a problem at all with showing these kids a good time. As long as they're not servicing these guys, what's the problem?
Agreed. They look like a hostess version of our team: two or three 'A' listers followed by not much depth.
Will say, the one on the right in the top photo looks more mommy then co-ed but she is stacked.
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A. Those girls are not that hot.
B. I don't have a problem at all with showing these kids a good time. As long as they're not servicing these guys, what's the problem?
But I think they were/are servicing them...
They crossed over the line of a "jersey chaser" into a "whore for TENN"
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Have you been following the story of Ms. Lacey Earps?http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/index.html)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/11/tennessee-recruiting/vols-hostesses-p1.jpg)
You might also want to check out the accusations from the AD of Marcus Lattimore's (#1 RB in 2010) high school about the hostesses inviting him to their hotel.
That sign should read: "Miller and Willis have our STDs"
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Nothing like being a hot college aged co-ed and being nothing more than a
cum-dumpster for high school football players.
I knew plenty of girls who went to college to get their "Bachelor degree in husband finding"
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Nothing like being a hot college aged co-ed and being nothing more than a
cum-dumpster for high school football players.
OMG that is funny
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I knew plenty of girls who went to college to get their "Bachelor degree in husband finding"
My grandma always said that she went to Vanderbilt to get her Mrs. Degree :D
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Seriously dude?!?! You reference the AJC blogs as a resource for football recruiting info... LMAO!! You have no idea how little creditibilty that gives you.
Seriously, dude, I should have learned long ago that everything one reads on an Internet message board is 100 percent true.
Awesome argument you've got there: ignore what the player and coach say publicly, and instead believe what's said by an anonymous "insider" on a premium message board - which you know very well I'm not going to pay for.
And, regarding the AJC, are you suggesting they fabricated the quites attributed to the player and his coach? Otherwise, I don't understand your point.
Instead of trying to discredit me, why don't you just accept the fact that some recruits read these message boards and it may have an impact on their decisions. If it impacts one potential MU recruit, that's one too many in my book.
I don't need to discredit you. You're doing fine yourself by offering zero proof to support your claims. Not once have I stated that recruits don't read message boards. In fact, I said the opposite.
I do, however, doubt your claim that players de-commit and make other recruiting decisions because of what they read on an Internet message board.
Let's try again: please provide me with a link proving that players de-commit because of what they read on an Internet message board.
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Seriously, dude, I should have learned long ago that everything one reads on an Internet message board is 100 percent true.
Awesome argument you've got there: ignore what the player and coach say publicly, and instead believe what's said by an anonymous "insider" on a premium message board - which you know very well I'm not going to pay for.
And, regarding the AJC, are you suggesting they fabricated the quites attributed to the player and his coach? Otherwise, I don't understand your point.
I don't need to discredit you. You're doing fine yourself by offering zero proof to support your claims. Not once have I stated that recruits don't read message boards. In fact, I said the opposite.
I do, however, doubt your claim that players de-commit and make other recruiting decisions because of what they read on an Internet message board.
Let's try again: please provide me with a link proving that players de-commit because of what they read on an Internet message board.
because Tiger came out after every affair and said that he was having one.
Are you delusional enough to think that more goes on 'behind the scenes' than what is said at press conferences?
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I don't need to discredit you. You're doing fine yourself by offering zero proof to support your claims.
Let's try again: please provide me with a link proving that players de-commit because of what they read on an Internet message board.
Better yet, why don't you provide a link to an article where a player said that message board speculation did NOT impact their recruitment? See two people can play this game.
As far as discrediting myself, I have a hard time seeing that. Proof was provided... names of SEC recruits where message board comments/ speculation/ rumors impacted their decision. I'm sure you're not that naive to think that what a player or coach would tell a newspaper is the same thing as what they tell a recruiting expert. If you want to question the recruiting expert's info, well that is your choice. Again, it's your decision to believe what you want but what do I have to gain by making this stuff up? Message board street cred? While I know that's important for some people on this board, I think that is pretty damn pathetic and contrary to your opinion, i'm not that pathetic.
Last comment i'll make is this... believe what you want, obviously my opinion or info won't sway you. Have a Merry Christmas, don't forget to keep the CHRIST in CHRISTMAS and GO WARRIORS!!!
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Better yet, why don't you provide a link to an article where a player said that message board speculation did NOT impact their recruitment? See two people can play this game.
Fine, I'll name three guys. I won't offer you any proof. Won't link you to any articles. I'll just name them.
Proof was provided... names of SEC recruits where message board comments/ speculation/ rumors impacted their decision. I'm sure you're not that naive to think that what a player or coach would tell a newspaper is the same thing as what they tell a recruiting expert. If you want to question the recruiting expert's info, well that is your choice. Again, it's your decision to believe what you want but what do I have to gain by making this stuff up? Message board street cred? While I know that's important for some people on this board, I think that is pretty damn pathetic and contrary to your opinion, i'm not that pathetic.
Your "proof" consisted of three names and the encouragement to go spend my money and time in the hopes that I might find an Internet insider who agrees with you. Thank you, no.
A tad sensitive? Sorry to have hurt your feelings by asking you to back up what your claim. I'll assume you're not a scientist, lawyer or member of any other profession where people have to provide evidence.
p.s. Be careful what you say about Christ on our message boards. You'll kill MU's chances with future Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, wiccan, agnostic and atheist recruits. ;)
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You're new so I'll just link you to why Blue decommitted from UW@Madison (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11776517) instead of being a jerk to you for saying stupid things before you're even 10 posts deep into this forum.
I can't say crap. I stand corrected.
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Every single major recruit in the country has someone checking the message boards of their prospective schools. Whether they do it themselves, or their parents/relatives, friends, coaches, teachers...someone is reading the boards to try to gauge the fanbase of the school. They want to see how we talk about our players, how we talk about our coaches, how we talk about recruits. They want to see whether players get ripped after bad games, they want to see how much support players get after good games. You can pretty much guarantee that someone close to a recruit is logging into these sites every day to see what we say and how we say it.
Whether or not something like a message board should factor into a kid's college decision is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is it does.
In the past year alone MU has been involved in the recruitment of at least three if not more players that either committed to a school or chose not to commit to a school either in part or wholly because of comments on a message board.
You can complain about it all you want or deny it all you want but to do so is to be ignorant. The reality is that what is said on message boards has an effect on the program, whether you want it to or not.
If this is as common as you claim it is, there would be a lot less people commiting to places like UK or Duke.
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the hostess said lend me your ear
the recruit replied he wanted her rear
her panties went droppin
her head started bobbin
when you're done please bring me a beer
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As BMA said, there is no good that can come from the board continuing down the path of bashing an 18 year kid.
An 18 year old is not a child to be coddled. He is an adult, fully capable of entering into an agreement of his own volition. And he should be held responsible for reneging on his commitments. That he has likely been treated like glass and shielded from criticism since he was young, only for that treatment to continue into adulthood by his enablers, makes the situation worse. He will likely continue to make poor decisions well into his adult life, while believing that he is not in the wrong and that, even if he were, the responsibilities that come with such poor decisions are not his.
A lot can be said about a person during trying times and frankly, we have failed to portray the christian values we should have learned at Marquette.
Marquette exists to educate young adults, not to imbue them with some sort of Christian-only empathy. Valuing the opinions, feelings, and experiences of others is not a trait that is exclusive to Christianity. It is a human trait borne of the our innate need for community, because, at the root of it all, humans are really just pack animals.