They're going to let people kill golden eagles?

[MUMac]

Where would you rather live?  Next to an oil refinery or next to a windfarm? 

Of course "neither" is the easy answer but if you had to pick one which would it be?

Nice straw man.

Who lives next to an oil refinery?  No one.  People do, though, live next to, or near, wind farms. 

[Lennys Tap]

Having a goal to go green is admirable. Insisting on throwing money away on inefficient green technology when we're trillions in debt is suicidal. We need jobs. Even if we can dramatically cut government entitlements, we need tax revenues. We're sitting on tons of known energy reserves that can help with both problems while also easing national security concerns (reliance on Middle Eastern oil). Under normal conditions, I think the coutry benefits from the debate between drillers and environmentalists. These are anything but normal conditions. Drill baby drill.

[Hoopaloop]

Actually, its a lot of conservative think tank drivel, but you, being a conservative would think that way.

I'm not sure what Chevy Volt has to do with wind farms, but hey if he wants to make a point that's fine I guess.

I don't see why it is a bad thing that wind farms are subsidized by the US government.  Most conventional forms of energy are highly subsidized as well.  Its a moot argument. 

My guess is "Hoopaloop" is taking his notes from my old friend who had a lengthy debate about global warming with me in PMs.

Personally, I'm done with this conversation since it has probably creeped into the 'no politics' area.

Is there a reason for the quotations?  Is it tied to the PM you just sent me?   

The Chevy Volt was put in there simply to show that the same crowd advocating for all these initiatives as world savers don't seem to look at how inefficient they are, how troublesome they can be down the road, how costly they are and the negatives associated with them.

The reasons given were not from a conservative think tank, but from newspaper articles that are easy to find.  Suppose for a second that the newspaper articles came from conservative think tank, does that make them wrong?  You seem to be saying that anything from that type of source would be wrong.  Is that how you view things.  Your way or the highway?  Wasn't that my original beef to begin with, that folks tend to be so myopic in their beliefs that anything coming from a side that they are ideologically opposed to is automatically wrong, thus the throwing out of  YOU ARE IGNORANT comments like you had earlier in this thread.

[Hards Alumni]

Is there a reason for the quotations?  Is it tied to the PM you just sent me?   

The Chevy Volt was put in there simply to show that the same crowd advocating for all these initiatives as world savers don't seem to look at how inefficient they are, how troublesome they can be down the road, how costly they are and the negatives associated with them.

The reasons given were not from a conservative think tank, but from newspaper articles that are easy to find.  Suppose for a second that the newspaper articles came from conservative think tank, does that make them wrong?  You seem to be saying that anything from that type of source would be wrong.  Is that how you view things.  Your way or the highway?  Wasn't that my original beef to begin with, that folks tend to be so myopic in their beliefs that anything coming from a side that they are ideologically opposed to is automatically wrong, thus the throwing out of  YOU ARE IGNORANT comments like you had earlier in this thread.

No, they are not necessarily wrong, but they should be taken as highly suspect.  Clearly. 

Why are you getting so upset?  My response to his silly comment was equally silly, I guess the tongue and cheek nature of it was missed.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Nice straw man.

Who lives next to an oil refinery?  No one.  People do, though, live next to, or near, wind farms. 

You are kidding right?  Literally millions and millions of people live near oil refineries.  Maybe "next to" wasn't the best choice of words. 

[Hoopaloop]

Having a goal to go green is admirable. Insisting on throwing money away on inefficient green technology when we're trillions in debt is suicidal. We need jobs. Even if we can dramatically cut government entitlements, we need tax revenues. We're sitting on tons of known energy reserves that can help with both problems while also easing national security concerns (reliance on Middle Eastern oil). Under normal conditions, I think the coutry benefits from the debate between drillers and environmentalists. These are anything but normal conditions. Drill baby drill.

Here is a man with common sense.  Well stated.

We have trillions of barrels of oil in the USA that can be had with drilling, take us off dependency from overseas, create massive jobs, and much of it can be done in a clean way.  Green jobs are great, they are also financial losers without great subsidization.  The country is broke and cannot afford wasting money by propping up jobs that yield $0.30 in return for every $1 spent.  You only continue to make the economic picture worse by pushing through non-sustainable solutions.

Wind power has been around since the 12th century in powering man's endeavors.  Horse power even longer.  Without gov't subsidies, this idea would be laughed out of the room.  The legitimate question is whether it is worth those subsidies and what the tradeoffs are.  If you pour money into this area, you have to give up something somewhere else.  That something else may be profitable, may create jobs that are not subsidized, and may provide tangible security benefits.  That is the debate.  Cost, efficiencies, and the tradeoffs.

The fact of the matter is that wind farms actually increase carbon emissions because they require spin reserve energy when the wind isn't blowing.  They do not replace coal plants, nuclear plants, hydro plants.  In fact, they require additional capacity from them to power turbines when the wind isn't blowing.  Well stated here.   http://www.sunjournal.com/guest-columns/story/881821

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

People like Hards are frauds. Hards would get his panties in a twist over any suggestions about building a nuclear power plant for the first time in this country in 30-40 years. It's an unbelievably clean technology that fuels much more than half of the energy of a country like France. But that's too modern for a luddite fraud, I'm sure.

[Hards Alumni]

People like Hards are frauds. Hards would get his panties in a twist over any suggestions about building a nuclear power plant for the first time in this country in 30-40 years. It's an unbelievably clean technology that fuels much more than half of the energy of a country like France. But that's too modern for a luddite fraud, I'm sure.

I am actually pro-nuclear.  But thanks for playing.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Great. Then I'm sure you'll agree that after we build a few hundred nuclear power plants in this country we won't need technology from the 1,000's anymore.

[MUMac]

Having a goal to go green is admirable. Insisting on throwing money away on inefficient green technology when we're trillions in debt is suicidal. We need jobs. Even if we can dramatically cut government entitlements, we need tax revenues. We're sitting on tons of known energy reserves that can help with both problems while also easing national security concerns (reliance on Middle Eastern oil). Under normal conditions, I think the coutry benefits from the debate between drillers and environmentalists. These are anything but normal conditions. Drill baby drill.

Here is a man with common sense.  Well stated.

Obviously NOT Chico's.   

[exercisevanity]

I believe these laws will only apply in Southern Mississippi, where the Golden Eagles are traditionally weaker and come in substantially larger numbers.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Great. Then I'm sure you'll agree that after we build a few hundred nuclear power plants in this country we won't need technology from the 1,000's anymore.

We'll all be long dead before this country builds a "few hundred" nuclear power plants. 

Not saying that's right, but I'm afraid it's the reality.

[real chili 83]

Eagle...tastes like chicken.   

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Eagle...tastes like chicken


   I actually find it closer to Spotted Owl

[Jay Bee]

Hey guys.. no politics allowed.

At least none of that liberal nonsense.

[MUBurrow]

to try to stay as apolitical as possible - the subsidy argument only holds water depending on how far back down the energy trail you'd like to track. subsidies and the government picking winners is exactly how we got into the energy situation we're in today. just because wind energy is newer wouldnt make its emergence any more the result of government subsidies as anything else.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

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[Ari Gold]

Hoopaloop/warrior07/lenny's --> Applause. Well Said

Sultan: I was really starting to agree with you on your hangin posts...


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