Jamil Wilson Update

[Wareagle]

The chatter is that an offer from Duke is probably not going to come.  It seems Coach K has set his sights on Harrison Barnes instead, a ridiculously talented 2010 prospect.  Duke already has offered Barnes, which shows how much he is coveted.  I'd list the other schools that have offered, but that list is at least 25% of all the teams that made the NCAA tournament.

[nola03]

Haven't you heard?

Everyone is down on Jamil Wilson.

[THEGYMBAR]

Not everyone. When he signs with MU I will be the only guy on here doing cartwheels. MU or UNC....heard it here again!!!!!

[ATWizJr]

is it true that JW is no longer the highly rated prospect he once was?  What happened?  Is there a scholly available for him at MU?

[nyg]

I will also do the cartwheels, but as of now I don't see it happening.  Believe it was Maymon or Wilson, not both.

[ATWizJr]

Would love to have him.  What are conditions under which this could happen?

[Big Papi]

No scholly available at the moment but Buzz will continue to recruit him.  

I still haven't seen anywhere where NC is even in the mix.  From all indications, Michigan State is probably the clear leader and his likely destination unless Izzo cools on the kid.  

Also, Jamil is still a highly ranked prospect as he still is in everyone's top 100, its just that his status has slipped a little from top 10 to top 50.  He has great potential with his ranking based more on that potential than finished product.  Needs to learn to bring it everytime on the court.  If he had a little more McNeal in him in terms of effort, he would still be ranked top 10.

[Big Papi]

I will also do the cartwheels, but as of now I don't see it happening.  Believe it was Maymon or Wilson, not both.

I don't believe it was either Maymon or Wilson and not both.  If Wilson wanted to commit right after Maymon did, Buzz would have taken him, no doubt about it.  They both play the same position but Buzz would have worked it out as you don't say no to a top 50 player in your own backyard.  Its just that (a) with Maymon on board and playing a similar position, Wilson was no longer a must have recruit and (b) with Wilson will not willing to make a decision for quite some time, Buzz didn't want to risk losing a player he likes while waiting on the outcome from a kid where we are not even leading for his services.  If you trust Mark Miller and IWB, Buzz is still recruiting Wilson but it remains to be seen if we have the space for him.

[MR.HAYWARD]

and do not forget to add Williams into the whole no scholarships  same position argumnet.  Would love to sign as many top 50 kids as possible but there appears to be a log jam at the wing for the foreseeable future with Hayward, Fulce, Butler, Williams, and MAymon.   A great collection of talent right there in it's own right.  Still recruit him as a contingency but hopefully our focus is now on a 4-5 star 2g and a bigtime 4/5 for 2010.

[MuMark]

When you play as poorly as Jamil has in the last 6 months to a year its pretty natural for people to change their opinion.

Justin Young of Rivals said that after watching him play at the Peach Jam that he was the most disappointing player there.


Hopefully he will turn things around but if people are down on him now they have good reason.

[Pakuni]

Not saying this is or is not the case with Wilson, but the fact is some kids "peak" early or are overrated early and then come crashing back down to earth. Remember, Krunti Hester and Scott Christopherson both were considered top 25 players after their sophomore years. After that, their abilities pretty much flattened out and other kids passed them by.

By all accounts Wilson remains an excellent prospect but it seems other kids simply have passed him by. No knock on him. Just the way it goes.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not saying this is or is not the case with Wilson, but the fact is some kids "peak" early or are overrated early and then come crashing back down to earth. Remember, Krunti Hester and Scott Christopherson both were considered top 25 players after their sophomore years. After that, their abilities pretty much flattened out and other kids passed them by.

By all accounts Wilson remains an excellent prospect but it seems other kids simply have passed him by. No knock on him. Just the way it goes.

I'm not doubting you, but Krunti Hester was rated that highly?  Really? 

[YoungMUFan4]

This may or may not surprise some that Trevor Mbakwe was top 25
http://web.archive.org/web/20050430231805/scout.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&pid=88&&cfg=bbyr%3d2003&yr=2007

[MUBasketball]

I'm not doubting you, but Krunti Hester was rated that highly?  Really? 

I shared the same thoughts Chico. I just started following MU hoops right at the end of Deane's tenure, and I remember Krunti Hester was his lone recruit, due to come in for the '99-'00 season, then he got the axe.

I remember reading up on the kid and thinking the program appeared to be heading downward, and this kid was not even like Top 300.

I'd be surprised if he was ever a top 100 kid...from what I remember, anyway.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I shared the same thoughts Chico. I just started following MU hoops right at the end of Deane's tenure, and I remember Krunti Hester was his lone recruit, due to come in for the '99-'00 season, then he got the axe.

I remember reading up on the kid and thinking the program appeared to be heading downward, and this kid was not even like Top 300.

I'd be surprised if he was ever a top 100 kid...from what I remember, anyway.

I saw him ranked 99th in one service but that was the only one I recall. 


No. Player Pos. Ht. School College
1. DerMarr Johnson G/F 6-9 Kensington (Md.) Newport
2. Jonathan Bender F 6-11 Picayune, Miss.
3. Matt Bonner PF 6-9 Concord, N.H.
4. Damien Wilkins WF 6-6 Kensington (Md.) Newport
5. Keith Bogans G/F 6-4 Hyattsville (Md.) DeMatha
6. Brett Nelson G 6-3 St. Albans, W.Va. Florida
7. Donnell Harvey PF 6-7 Shellman (Ga.) Randolph-Clay
8. Jason Kapono WF 6-7 Lakewood (Calif.) Artesia
9. Steven Blake PG 6-3 Miami (Fla.) Senior Maryland
10. Joe Forte 2G 6-4 Hyattsville (Md.) DeMatha
11. Brian Cook C/F 6-10 Lincoln (Ill.) Illinois
12. Marvin Stone C/F 6-10 Huntsville (Ala.) Grissom
13. Matt Carroll G/F 6-6 Horsham (Pa.) Hatsboro-Horsham
14. Micheal Dunleavy 2G 6-5 Portland (Ore.) Jesuit
15. Todd Billet PG 6-0 Lincroft (N.J.) Christian Brothers
16. Toney Robertson G 6-3 Barrington (R.I.) St. Andrews
17. Casey Sanders C/F 6-10 Tampa (Fla.) Prep
18. Jason Williams G 6-2 Metuchen (N.J.) St. Josephs
19. Kenny Satterfield 1/2G 6-2 New York (N.Y.) Rice
20. Nick Collison PF 6-9 Iowa Falls, Iowa
21. Carlos Boozer PF 6-8 Juneau (Alaska)Douglas
22. Marques Daniels G/F 6-7 Durham Mount Zion
23. Kevin Gaines PG 6-3 Las Vegas Clark
24. Ronald Slay P/WF 6-7 1/2 Mouth of Wilson (Va.) Oak Hill Tennessee
25. Jason Parker C/F 6-8 West Charlotte
26. Josh Moore C 7-0 Jersy City (N.J.) St. Anthony
27. Erwin Dudley WF 6-6 Uniontown (Ala.) Hatch
28. George Williams P/WF 6-8 Missouri City (Texas) Elkins
29. Casey Jacobsen G/F 6-6 Glendora, Calif.
30. Shane Schilling WF 6-6 Minnetonka, Minn.
31. Stephen Hunter C 6-11 Durham Mount Zion
32. Jason Gardner PG 5-11 Indianapolis North Central
33. Antonio Falu 1/2G 6-5 Houston (Texas) Waltrip
34. Andrew Sullivan P/WF 6-7 Richland (N.J.) St. Augustine
35. Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 Elizabeth (N.J.)St. Patrick
36. Joe Johnson WF 6-6 Little Rock (Ark.) Central
37. Ron Grizzard G/F 6-7 Birmingham (Ala.) Central Park Christian
38. Roger Mason 2G 6-3 Wheaton (Md.) Good Counsel
39. Brian Wethers 2G 6-5 Murrieta (Calif.) Valley
40. LaVelle Blanchard G/F 6-5 Ann Arbor (Mich.) Pioneer
41. Leon Smith C 6-10 Chicago Martin Luther King Jr.
42. Chuck Eidson G/F 6-7 Summerville (S.C.) Pinewood South Carolina
43. Tim Lyles PG 6-0 Durham Mount Zion
44. Jason Richardson WF 6-6 Saginaw (Mich.) Arthur Hill
45. DeShaun Williams 2G 6-2 1/2 Paterson (N.J.) Catholic
46. Gavin Groninger 2G 6-4 Plainfield, Ind.
47. Reese Gaines G/F 6-6 Madison (Wis.) Westy
48. Travis Watson PF 6-7 Mouth of Wilson (Va.) Oak Hill
49. Majestic Mapp PG 6-2 Bronx (N.Y.) St. Raymond
50. Nathan Popp C 7-2 Lexington (Ky.) Catholic
51. Antonio Meeking PF 6-7 Farmerville, La.
52. Marshall Williams G/F 6-5 Milwaukee Vincent
53. Edward Scott PG 6-0 Hopkins (S.C.) Lower Richland
54. Ben Johnson 2G 6-3 Minneapolis DeLaSalle
55. Adam Wolfe PF 6-8 1/2 Westerville, Ohio Michigan State
56. Derrick Payne WF 6-6 Durham Mount Zion
57. Ezra Williams 2G 6-4 Marietta, Ga.
58. Curtis Borchardt PF 6-10 Redmond (Wash.) Eastlake
59. Rafael Berumen C 6-9 Simi Valley (Calif.) Simi Valley
60. Marcus Cox 1/2G 6-3 1/2 Bridgeport (Conn.) Kolbe
61. Brian Jackson C/F 6-10 Astoria (Ore.) Knappa
62. Charles Tatum PG 5-9 Midland, Texas
63. Kenneth Walker PF 6-8 Jacksonville (Fla.) Wolfson
64. Donnell Knight PF 6-8 Phoenix (Ariz.) St. Marys
65. Alonzo Lane PF 6-7 Canton, Miss. Mississippi St.
66. Vincent Hart PF 6-7 Gary (Ind.) West Side
67. Tony Bobbitt 2G 6-4 Daytona Beach (Fla.) Mainland Florida State
68. Joe Sykes C 6-9 Radcliff (Ky.) North Hardin Louisville
69. Tito Maddox 2G 6-4 Compton, Calif.
70. John Grove C 6-10 Grove City (Pa.) George Cincinnati
71. Stephane Pelle C/F 6-8 Mercersburg (Pa.) Academy
72. Brian Woodard 2G 6-3 Bayside (N.Y.) Cardoza
73. Jimmy Haywood 1/2G 6-4 Seattle (Wash.) Franklin
74. Tahj Holden PF 6-9 1/2 Little Silver (N.J.) Red Bank Regional
75. Charles Richmond C 6-9 Memphis (Tenn.) Washington
76. Demetrius Hunter 2G 6-3 Las Vegas (Nev.) Cheyenne
77. Sherrod Teasley PG 6-4 Frederick (Md.) St. John's Prospect Hall
78. Courtland Freeman PF 6-8 1/2 Myrtle Beach (S.C.) Socastee
79. David Young 2G 6-3 New Castle, Pa.
80. Kareem Rush WF 6-6 Kansas City (Mo.) Pembroke Hill
81. Jon Higgins 1/2G 6-2 Shaker Heights, Ohio
82. Julian Swartz WF 6-5 Waukesha (Wis.) South Wisconsin
83. Gregory Morton PF 6-7 1/2 Bronx (N.Y.) St. Raymond
84. Jon Holmes PG 6-0 Bloomington (Ind.) South
85. Dalron Johnson PF 6-7 1/2 Los Angeles Verbum Dei
86. Larry Scott WF 6-6 St. James, Md.
87. Ray Henderson C 6-9 East Mecklenburg
88. Shawson Johnson C/F 6-9 Shreveport (La.) Green Oaks
89. Brooks Hall G/F 6-6 Troy, Ohio
90. Aloysius Anagonye PF 6-7 Detroit St. Martin de Porres
91. Will Johnson P/WF 6-8 Hickory
92. John Gunn C 6-10 Oxford (Miss.)
93. Napoleon Rhodes PF 6-7 Ocala (Fla.) Vangaurd
94. Chris Ogden WF 6-7 Seminole, Texas
95. Shawn Redhage WF 6-7 Lincoln (Neb.) East
96. Brent Darby PG 6-1 River Rouge (Mich.)
97. Tory Reed PF 6-8 Cleveland Heights, Ohio
98. Sean Harrington PG 6-3 Elgin, Ill.
99. Krunti Hester PF 6-6 Indianapolis Brebeuf Marquette
100. Rick Jones PG 6-1 Georgetown (Ky.) Scott County
100. Mike Monserez 1/2G 6-4 Cincinnati Moeller Notre Dame

[Pakuni]

I saw him ranked 99th in one service but that was the only one I recall. 

That was at the end of his junior or senior season. I can't find any links to prove or disprove my recollection, but I remember very well that Krunti was considered a stud prospect after his first couple seasons of high school basketball in Indy. He was a 6-foot-5 manchild as a freshman who put up major minutes and points on his school's varsity. Problem is, Krunti never really developed beyond that - or got any bigger - and ended up a not particularly athletic 6-foot-5 power forward in the college ranks.

[mviale]

sheesh remember all of drama around Marshall Williams.

[Mayor McCheese]

looking at that top 100 up there... I count one player that is productive in the NBA and that is Boozer... the memories of when Bender was all the rave, and Jason Kapono was the next Chris Mullin.

[77ncaachamps]

looking at that top 100 up there... I count one player that is productive in the NBA and that is Boozer... the memories of when Bender was all the rave, and Jason Kapono was the next Chris Mullin.

Don't forget

44. Jason Richardson WF 6-6 Saginaw (Mich.) Arthur Hill

Golden State, Charlotte

And I remember I wanted Julian Swartz to sign with Marquette BADLY.
Well, he ended up signing...as a Grad Assistant on the Final Four team!

[bma725]

And I remember I wanted Julian Swartz to sign with Marquette BADLY.
Well, he ended up signing...as a Grad Assistant on the Final Four team!

He wasn't a grad assistant until well after the Final Four team.  During the Final Four year, Swartz was at UWGB as a student assitant coach.

[jce]

Don't forget

44. Jason Richardson WF 6-6 Saginaw (Mich.) Arthur Hill

Golden State, Charlotte

And I remember I wanted Julian Swartz to sign with Marquette BADLY.
Well, he ended up signing...as a Grad Assistant on the Final Four team!

Remember that Swartz's issues were more mental than anything else.  Marshall Williams was considered such a stud, and actually had a real good freshman year at NCSU.  From what I understand, he is a teacher in MPS right now...as is Jose Winston. 

[OneMadWarrior]

Note both the Dematha Players on that list. They lose to my HIgh School (Gonzaga) 3 times that year. Just goes to show Talent isn't the only reason you win basketball games and we shoudl remember that after the Crean years. Sometimes a little coaching goes a long way to making players better.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

With all due respect ToughMover I don't think your comment holds alot of water.  At that time DeMatha had one greatest high-school coaches with Morgan Wooten -- who is featured in the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield Mass.  DeMatha in those years (and many prior) was a powerhouse that consistently fed players to top-programs.  Morgan's players were talented and well coached.

Maybe Gonzaga has had success against DeMatha consistently, but using that as a chance to poke Crean doesnt make sense.

[ChicosBailBonds]

looking at that top 100 up there... I count one player that is productive in the NBA and that is Boozer... the memories of when Bender was all the rave, and Jason Kapono was the next Chris Mullin.

Exactly why judging recruiting classes before they start playing is kind of silly.

[Henry Sugar]

Exactly why judging recruiting classes before they start playing is kind of silly.

However, intuition tells me that there is a statistically significant correlation between the pre-judged strength of a recruiting class and the subsequent performance of a college team.

Example, in the previous three years, both Memphis and Kansas had two top 10 RSCI recruiting classes. 

A pre-judged, highly ranked recruiting class may not guarantee success, but I'd rather take my chances with one.

oh - and if you boil it down, pretty much everything we as fans do with sports is kind of silly.

[Pakuni]

looking at that top 100 up there... I count one player that is productive in the NBA and that is Boozer... the memories of when Bender was all the rave, and Jason Kapono was the next Chris Mullin.

Jason Kapono is in the NBA record book as the most accurate three-point shooter in league history and is a very solid role player. He's not a star by any stretch, but he is a productive NBA player.

As someone else mentioned, Jason Richardson (averaged about 22 ppg last year) is on that list, as is Samuel Delambert (10 ppg/10 rpg last year).

[oldwarrior81]

sheesh remember all of drama around Marshall Williams.

Marshall Williams was working with Tom Diener at Vincent last season.  I believe Larry Bradley (the #1 rated freshman last season in Wisconsin) is Williams' nephew.

player ratings
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/playerrank.asp?sportid=1&list=1&pos=9

[MR.HAYWARD]

i have absolutely no idea where krunti hester was ranked as a freshman but I will give you this tid bit as to where he was as a senior to be.  That was back during my AAu involvemtn time and having heard krunti verballed to Mu I mosied over to watch him during one tournament.  His AAU team had the young man out of Lawrence North, Joihn Stewrt who passed away and was a Kentucky signee in the middle.  They also had two really good PF's I assumed one of them was Krunti and was excited.  then I asked one of the coaches which one was Krunti..he pointed over to the last man on the bench.  He came in during mop up time and was in over his head.   Sad day

[jce]

Marshall Williams was working with Tom Diener at Vincent last season.  I believe Larry Bradley (the #1 rated freshman last season in Wisconsin) is Williams' nephew.

player ratings
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/playerrank.asp?sportid=1&list=1&pos=9

C'mon Buzz!!!  You got to protect your backyard and wrap this guy up!!!!  (That was sarcasm.)

Funny...I saw #23 on that list just last weekend and if he is in the top 25 in the state, it is a pretty weak class.

[ChicosBailBonds]

However, intuition tells me that there is a statistically significant correlation between the pre-judged strength of a recruiting class and the subsequent performance of a college team.

Example, in the previous three years, both Memphis and Kansas had two top 10 RSCI recruiting classes. 

A pre-judged, highly ranked recruiting class may not guarantee success, but I'd rather take my chances with one.

oh - and if you boil it down, pretty much everything we as fans do with sports is kind of silly.

Yes, I would concur with all of what you said.  Better players will mean better teams more often then not...but also as that list shows, a lot of top 100 players end up being rather pedestrian.

[OneMadWarrior]

With all due respect ToughMover I don't think your comment holds alot of water.  At that time DeMatha had one greatest high-school coaches with Morgan Wooten -- who is featured in the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield Mass.  DeMatha in those years (and many prior) was a powerhouse that consistently fed players to top-programs.  Morgan's players were talented and well coached.

Maybe Gonzaga has had success against DeMatha consistently, but using that as a chance to poke Crean doesn't make sense.

Come now who needs a reason. I was just commenting on two players on the list. Jamil Wilson to me is something people should stop talking about. He doesn't' fit with the incoming group they already a have and yes you should always take talented players, its clear that most felt Maymonee was a higher quality. Yes it was a shot at Crean, but it was also a way to pump up the old ALMA MATER. Take it Easy Dude. However I still believe that its not always abotu talent. If that were the case them USC woudl win every year in football and MAryland woudl have never won a national titles. Experience and testicular fortitude matter too. And Next years MU squad is full of both. Getting back again to Jamil. Everyone shoudl knwo that sometimes its okay not to get all the best IN-state players. HE was holding some scholarships hostage and chose to make a late date, this may end up costing him in the end.

[77ncaachamps]

But Wilson will be critical to THIS recruiting class if someone doesn't qualify.

[OneMadWarrior]

Because Partial Qualifiers have never worked out at MU. THe obsession over Wilson seems ridiculous to me. He is a player falling down the boards which to me seems to mean that he hasnt' improved. That is troublesome to me, I'd rather have a palyer who has worked hard to get better each year and went from unranked to top 50 then a guy who started out in the top 10 and then did not get better form year to year and ended up a top 40. The former are guys like McNeal and Wade, the later are players like Scott Merritt and Terry Sanders.

[deerchaser]

Because Partial Qualifiers have never worked out at MU. THe obsession over Wilson seems ridiculous to me. He is a player falling down the boards which to me seems to mean that he hasnt' improved. That is troublesome to me, I'd rather have a palyer who has worked hard to get better each year and went from unranked to top 50 then a guy who started out in the top 10 and then did not get better form year to year and ended up a top 40. The former are guys like McNeal and Wade, the later are players like Scott Merritt and Terry Sanders.

Just a minor thing but the Big East has a league policy that prohibits schools from taking on partial qualifiers.

[OneMadWarrior]

Thanks for the correction Deer, in the words of the immortal Johnny Carson "I did not know that" regardless, I will tutor him here in Madison if that is what it takes, I could get him that A in social studies

[deerchaser]

As much as I like the idea, the NCAA's got to have something on that bieng an improper benefit or something...

[wadesworld]

As much as I like the idea, the NCAA's got to have something on that bieng an improper benefit or something...

I wouldn't think it would be.  I could be wrong, but as long as you aren't supplying him with books for free or slipping him money or other gifts I would think you would be able to tutor a future D1 basketball player.  Kids can study together in school, and if a kid wants to get help studying he shouldn't be prevented from that.  Again, I don't know but if there is a rule against it I think it would send a bad message, discouraging kids from getting help in school.

Another note about that list of players, I remember when Joseph Forte was being billed as the next Michael Jordan part way through his freshman year at UNC, and then he left early and definitely should not have.  Haven't heard a thing about him since...

[esotericmindguy]

That is true about partial qualifiers, but if you look at the qualifying page all Maymon has to do is raise his grade point like .2 percent and he'll be qualified (guessing).  Its not a matter of doing better on the ACT.  My guess is he has like a 2.2 and needs a 2.4 because he got 18 on his ACT, or something like that.  I guess that because the press conference mentioned that he needs to retake a few classes this summer, so those grades will replace the likely failing grades that are lowering his GPA.  Its seems he understands the importance of this and will get it done. Personally I'm not worried.


http://www.nats.us/player_zone/eligibility/clearinghouse.asp

[esotericmindguy]

I wouldn't think it would be.  I could be wrong, but as long as you aren't supplying him with books for free or slipping him money or other gifts I would think you would be able to tutor a future D1 basketball player.  Kids can study together in school, and if a kid wants to get help studying he shouldn't be prevented from that.  Again, I don't know but if there is a rule against it I think it would send a bad message, discouraging kids from getting help in school.

Another note about that list of players, I remember when Joseph Forte was being billed as the next Michael Jordan part way through his freshman year at UNC, and then he left early and definitely should not have.  Haven't heard a thing about him since...

Was it Harold Minor?  I know his last name was Minor, he was supposed to be the next guy and flopped as well.  Then stackhouse, who ended up being solid.

[1990Warrior]

Esoteric,
If you look at requirement #4 of the link that you posted, you will see the requirements are  combined such that if he has a low GPA he needs to do better on the ACT/SAT.  Therefore, I don't think he is as sure of a bet as you.  If its just GPA, I think he can easily get to a 2.4.  However, I still think he would need to do well on the ACT.

[77ncaachamps]

That is true about partial qualifiers, but if you look at the qualifying page all Maymon has to do is raise his grade point like .2 percent and he'll be qualified (guessing).  Its not a matter of doing better on the ACT.  My guess is he has like a 2.2 and needs a 2.4 because he got 18 on his ACT, or something like that.  I guess that because the press conference mentioned that he needs to retake a few classes this summer, so those grades will replace the likely failing grades that are lowering his GPA.  Its seems he understands the importance of this and will get it done. Personally I'm not worried.


http://www.nats.us/player_zone/eligibility/clearinghouse.asp

Yet, he still has to cut it academically at MU.

[wadesworld]

Was it Harold Minor?  I know his last name was Minor, he was supposed to be the next guy and flopped as well.  Then stackhouse, who ended up being solid.

He could be too, but I'm talking about Joseph Forte, who was on the list posted on the first page of 101 players, I believe he was at UNC in 2001 or around there.