NBA Draft

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

This is all about Bogdan's financial compensation. His agent has the Bucks by the short hairs. Either they pay him or someone else will. Then ther's the whole Giannis thing likely dependent on it happening too. So, yeah the Bucks are fooked, major, aina?

I mean not really.  He's a restricted free agent, so his options aren't unlimited.  If a team signs him to an offer sheet...well great.  But the Kings can match.  And working out a sign and trade means the Kings have to agree to an offer and have the contracts match.

So while he has leverage, he doesn't have THAT much leverage.

[MUBurrow]

I mean not really.  He's a restricted free agent, so his options aren't unlimited.  If a team signs him to an offer sheet...well great.  But the Kings can match.  And working out a sign and trade means the Kings have to agree to an offer and have the contracts match.

So while he has leverage, he doesn't have THAT much leverage.

But he knows how important he is to the Bucks, if for no other reason, because he is a piece used to convience Giannis to sign the supermax.  Restricted FAs have a ton of leverage because the offer sheets are almost always drawn up to make matching difficult, so he definitely has everyone where he wants them.

Which makes me want to back up and ask how the hell this happened? Did he give the Kings a # for his sign and trade offer sheet, the Bucks met it, then when he found out it was the Bucks changed the number? Or were the Kings and/or Bucks just assuming he would sign whatever # they factored into the sign and trade without checking with his people?

[brewcity77]

Calling Powell a shooter is a bit generous. He shoots a lot. Doesn’t make a lot.

I think he was referring to Sam Merrill, who the Bucks took at #60. You're right that Powell isn't a shooter, but he also isn't 6'4".

[Jockey]

Calling Powell a shooter is a bit generous. He shoots a lot. Doesn’t make a lot.

C'mon, get with the program, Cheebs.

[cheebs09]

C'mon, get with the program, Cheebs.

Whoa, I’m losing it.

[wadesworld]

But he knows how important he is to the Bucks, if for no other reason, because he is a piece used to convience Giannis to sign the supermax.  Restricted FAs have a ton of leverage because the offer sheets are almost always drawn up to make matching difficult, so he definitely has everyone where he wants them.

Which makes me want to back up and ask how the hell this happened? Did he give the Kings a # for his sign and trade offer sheet, the Bucks met it, then when he found out it was the Bucks changed the number? Or were the Kings and/or Bucks just assuming he would sign whatever # they factored into the sign and trade without checking with his people?

If it's true that him and Giannis are good friends, I can't imagine he would let his agent go back and force the Bucks' hand.  The rumor is that he said he wanted to play with Giannis and would take less money to do so.

[brewcity77]

C'mon, get with the program, Cheebs.

To be fair, Powell is a shooter. He's just not a good shooter.

[Lennys Tap]

To be fair, Powell is a shooter. He's just not a good shooter.

True. More chucker than shooter.

[JWags85]

True. More chucker than shooter.

I’m admittedly a charter member of the Myles Powell Haters Guild, but I found it f-ing hysterical that, as his PR machine rolled the second half of the season and he was touted as this prolific scorer and deadeye shooter, he put up more long jumpers that thudded dead off the backboard or side rim and straight down like Philip Seymour Hoffman in Along Came Polly

[MU82]

BetOnline.com says LaMelo is early favorite for NBA Rookie of the Year ...
 
(FWIW, I think I like Toppin for this.)                 

LaMelo Ball                               9/2

Anthony Edwards                      5/1

James Wiseman                        11/2

Obi Toppin                                15/2

Killian Hayes                             8/1

Onyeka Okongwu                      12/1

Tyrese Haliburton                      12/1

Deni Avdija                               14/1

Isaac Okoro                              16/1

Saddiq Bey                               18/1

Aaron Nesmith                          25/1

Cole Anthony                            25/1

Kira Lewis Jr.                            25/1

Patrick Williams                         25/1

Devin Vassell                            33/1

Tyrese Maxey                           33/1

Josh Green                               40/1

Precious Achiuwa                      40/1

Aleksej Pokusevski                   50/1

Jalen Smith                               50/1

Malachi Flynn                            50/1

R.J. Hampton                            50/1

Desmond Bane                         66/1

Immanuel Quickley                    66/1

Isaiah Stewart                           66/1

Nico Mannion                            66/1

Udoka Azubuike                        66/1

Devon Dotson                           80/1

Grant Riller                                80/1

Jaden McDaniels                       80/1

Payton Pritchard                        80/1

Vernon Carey                            80/1

Ashton Hagans                          100/1

Cassius Stanley                        100/1

Cassius Winston                       100/1

Charles Bassey                         100/1

Filip Petrusev                            100/1

Kerry Blackshear Jr.                  100/1

Myles Powell                             100/1

Nick Richards                            100/1

Paul Reed                                 100/1

Reggie Perry                             100/1

Tre Jones                                 100/1

Tyler Bey                                  100/1

Xavier Tillman                            100/1

Yam Madar                               100/1

Yoeli Childs                               100/1

Zeke Nnaji                                 100/1

[wadesworld]

BetOnline.com says LaMelo is early favorite for NBA Rookie of the Year ...
 
(FWIW, I think I like Toppin for this.)                 

LaMelo Ball                               9/2

Anthony Edwards                      5/1

James Wiseman                        11/2

Obi Toppin                                15/2

Killian Hayes                             8/1

Onyeka Okongwu                      12/1

Tyrese Haliburton                      12/1

Deni Avdija                               14/1

Isaac Okoro                              16/1

Saddiq Bey                               18/1

Aaron Nesmith                          25/1

Cole Anthony                            25/1

Kira Lewis Jr.                            25/1

Patrick Williams                         25/1

Devin Vassell                            33/1

Tyrese Maxey                           33/1

Josh Green                               40/1

Precious Achiuwa                      40/1

Aleksej Pokusevski                   50/1

Jalen Smith                               50/1

Malachi Flynn                            50/1

R.J. Hampton                            50/1

Desmond Bane                         66/1

Immanuel Quickley                    66/1

Isaiah Stewart                           66/1

Nico Mannion                            66/1

Udoka Azubuike                        66/1

Devon Dotson                           80/1

Grant Riller                                80/1

Jaden McDaniels                       80/1

Payton Pritchard                        80/1

Vernon Carey                            80/1

Ashton Hagans                          100/1

Cassius Stanley                        100/1

Cassius Winston                       100/1

Charles Bassey                         100/1

Filip Petrusev                            100/1

Kerry Blackshear Jr.                  100/1

Myles Powell                             100/1

Nick Richards                            100/1

Paul Reed                                 100/1

Reggie Perry                             100/1

Tre Jones                                 100/1

Tyler Bey                                  100/1

Xavier Tillman                            100/1

Yam Madar                               100/1

Yoeli Childs                               100/1

Zeke Nnaji                                 100/1

Kerry Blackshear? Isn’t he playing in Israel?

[rocket surgeon]

This is all about Bogdan's financial compensation. His agent has the Bucks by the short hairs. Either they pay him or someone else will. Then ther's the whole Giannis thing likely dependent on it happening too. So, yeah the Bucks are fooked, major, aina?

ruh-roh-i smell a juicy little fine going into the NBA Christmas...err holiday celebration/swear word bowl.  ain't these bogdan dudes a dime a bakers dozen?  regardless, looks like lasry et.al. were cheating on the take home exam eyn'a?  nothing a little caysh can make go away

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-opens-investigation-into-proposed-bogdan-bogdanovic-sign-and-trade-between-bucks-and-kings-per-report/

[muwarrior69]

Bucks cut Ersan, which means the Bogdonovic trade is officially dead.

So the Bucks roster is Jrue, Donte, Khris, Giannis, Brook, DJ, Thanasis, and draft picks 45 and 60 in a week draft, and a 2 way contract undrafted free agent rookie.  With only the midlevel exception to sign someone and then veteran minimums to fill out the roster.  Excellent.

Giannis should ask to be traded to Dallas tonight.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/20/nba-investigating-bogdan-bogdanovic-trade-to-bucks-gone-wrong/

[JWags85]

Kerry Blackshear? Isn’t he playing in Israel?

He's got as good of a chance to win NBA ROY from the Ligat HaAl as f-ing Myles Powell on that list.  Gimme a break that he even has odds.

As for Toppin, besides the standard Knicks jokes, given Thibs dislike for young players, I wouldnt bank on Toppin being a breakout ROY-level star this year.

[Jables1604]

I’m admittedly a charter member of the Myles Powell Haters Guild, but I found it f-ing hysterical that, as his PR machine rolled the second half of the season and he was touted as this prolific scorer and deadeye shooter, he put up more long jumpers that thudded dead off the backboard or side rim and straight down like Philip Seymour Hoffman in Along Came Polly

Rain Dance!!!

Old Skool!!!

[CreightonWarrior]

Should the Bucks back out of the Holiday trade if he’s the only player of substance their going to get? There’s no way that’s enough to get them over the hump.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Should the Bucks back out of the Holiday trade if he’s the only player of substance their going to get? There’s no way that’s enough to get them over the hump.

He's better than Bledsoe.  And they have to improve to have Giannis sign the max.  And look, they need him around.  Otherwise it could be another 30 years of mediocrity.

[bananahammock]

He's better than Bledsoe.  And they have to improve to have Giannis sign the max.  And look, they need him around.  Otherwise it could be another 30 years of mediocrity.

If Giannis leaves, I could see the hedge fund boys taking the money from some Seattle dude and cutting bait.

[MUfan12]

If Giannis leaves, I could see the hedge fund boys taking the money from some Seattle dude and cutting bait.

Wouldn't surprise me if they did it regardless.

[wadesworld]

I think people are underrating how good Jrue is.

[cheebs09]

So because they are giving Pat a player option for the second year, that makes his contract part of the MLE. Some think it’s so the owners can’t go into the tax. Others think pure incompetence.

It’s possible the Bogdan trade is still out there since we weren’t able to use the full MLE if that went through. But the salaries don’t match now.

[HutchwasClutch]

Should the Bucks back out of the Holiday trade if he’s the only player of substance their going to get? There’s no way that’s enough to get them over the hump.

He’s without question an upgrade over Bledsoe. So they’re already a better team adding him and closer to over the hump.

Just call off the deal, remain status quo, and then what’s the plan?  Silly

[HutchwasClutch]

I think people are underrating how good Jrue is.

Agree. There’s a good reason he was coveted around the league when NOP put him out as available 

[DegenerateDish]

I think people are underrating how good Jrue is.

I say this as someone who is a fan of Jrue Holiday. It’s not that he isn’t good, it’s the value placed on him by Milwaukee.

Taking his name out of it and removing the Bucks out of it...if I said a 30 year old guard, that is a year away from free agency, has some minor elbow and other injury issues, is a one time all star (8 years ago) and has been named first/second team all defense twice in his career...traded for two average NBA players and two unprotected/two swaps/one 1st...it seems high.

Holiday is a very good player, the price the Bucks paid is for a first/second team all NBA player.

[HutchwasClutch]

I say this as someone who is a fan of Jrue Holiday. It’s not that he isn’t good, it’s the value placed on him by Milwaukee.

Taking his name out of it and removing the Bucks out of it...if I said a 30 year old guard, that is a year away from free agency, has some minor elbow and other injury issues, is a one time all star (8 years ago) and has been named first/second team all defense twice in his career...traded for two average NBA players and two unprotected/two swaps/one 1st...it seems high.

Holiday is a very good player, the price the Bucks paid is for a first/second team all NBA player.

The unprotected firsts in ‘25 and ‘27 are the only parts of the trade I wasn’t crazy about.  Everything else is very replaceable.   Hill is a nice player, but aging and a role player. Bledsoe is a decent regular season player who becomes horrible in postseason.  The 24th pick wasn’t going to have any impact on a team needing to chase a title now. The two pick swaps, meh.