Kolek planning to go pro
well if semi-automatic guns were illegal here like they are in australia, you would probably see more of this here...by the bad guys
I doubt it. Once the guns are no longer sold or distributed here, it would be much more difficult for bad guys to get these guns. Yeah it would take some time to get the ones on the streets off, but once that is accomplished, it is hard to see how bad guys could get their hands on these with regularity.
first off, i was talking about 3-d printed guns. secondly, are you serious that if these guns became illegal, no longer sold or distributed here, it would be hard to get them? just like cocaine, pot, meth, rocket(no pun) launchers, hand grenades...oh yeah and automatic guns? that's what they do man-they get illegal chit by the truck load and sell it...for A LOT$$
FWIW, I am yes on all as well.I doubt you’re going to get Chicos to make any meaningful suggestions, because he probably doesn’t even believe there is a problem. He just likes to criticize others’ suggestions, without making any of his own.
Cocaine, pot, meth, etc. would be a lot easier to get if it were legal.
I'm actually not trying to get meaningful suggestions - Judging from some peoples posts they appear to either believe we don't have a gun problem OR the problem isn't big enough to tackle. I'm trying to understand if that is actually the belief, it is really a need to criticize others, there is a need to defend the extreme position to prevent any perceived "win from the left", or i've misinterpreted a whole bunch of posts.
But being illegal doesn't make them hard to get.
It certainly makes it harder.
It will make it impossible for the law abiding citizen and inconvenient for the bad guys.
The most popular guns for committing crimes in Chicago based on weapons confiscated by police...not a single mention of "homemade" guns within a pretty detailed article. Data is from 2014 so maybe Heisy's "data" is more recent.https://www.thetrace.org/2016/01/chicago-crime-guns-chart/
You could make the same argument for legalizing a grenade launchers, heroin and child porn, I guess. But we've wisely decided as a society that we'd be better without them legal. Even though the bad guys still can get them (despite the inconvenience).That reminds me of an earlier post in which you cited banning "40 mph, cigarettes, trans fat, alcohol, football, motorcycles, bicycles" as something that would save lives, and yet we allow them,For starters, it's a bad analogy because most of these things harm no one but the user. Pretty sure I won't die an early death because someone else eats too much trans fat, plays football and drives a motorcycle.An AR-15 with an extended clip, on the other hand, exists to hurt people other than the user. So, big difference.Beyond that, all the things you cite provide some sort of benefit that we as a society have determined outweigh the harm. Speedy interstate travel is beneficial. Bicycles are beneficial. Even alcohol and tobacco have benefits.What benefit does an AR-15 with an extended clip in the hands of a civilian provide?
we don't have a gun problem...with law abiding citizens. we have a problem with bad people. please define "extreme". or is it FAR right? or is gun nut a better term?
Try and read what you link. Becuase you missed this section which read like I plagiarized it for my comments on this siteYour apology is accepted and I know you will be more careful and actually read what you link in the future. -------------------------The “Saturday Night Special” is still kickingIn the 1980s, a group of gun manufacturers set up shop outside Los Angeles, California. These companies, which included Raven Arms and Lorcin Engineering, were collectively dubbed the “Ring of Fire,” as they became notorious for producing simple, cheap handguns commonly known as “Saturday Night Specials.” Even though these junk guns had a tendency to misfire or malfunction, production by Ring of Fire companies grew exponentially, and by 1990, they churned out one-third of all handguns in the U.S. A trace report by the ATF in the 1990s found that Saturday Night Specials like the ones produced by Raven and Lorcin were 3.4 times more likely to be used in crimes than other guns.Though both companies have been out of business for decades, the appearance of the Lorcin .380 and Raven .25 among Chicago’s most seized guns speaks to the enduring appeal of the Saturday Night Special. Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago Crime Lab, says that many black market gun customers are looking for a weapon that even the least skilled person can operate. These firearms fit the bill.Older guns are also easier to buy for cheap on the black market, adding to their attraction, especially for younger gang members. Cook’s research has shown that crime guns purchased by gang members tend to be an average of 12.6 years old.Guns are durable goods, and once a lax law or untoward seller allows a gun to enter the black market, it will often stay in circulation for decades. “A gun manufactured in 1984 will kill you just as dead as a new one,” says Pollack.
this is too easy- http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/design/police-seize-another-batch-of-3d-printed-guns-as-authorities-deal-with-danger-of-downloadable-firearms/news-story/c2fa2711ebf7b761e3e2f0802a80d1b2
And no an outright ban of guns will not work. See Norway.
Fair enough. It just boggles my mind when some people actually talk as though there isn’t a serious problem.
Many would say a modern sporting rifle with a 30-round magazine exists for hunting, competition, home defense and just plain old target shooting.
I'm with ya, but that seems to be the point of view at least 4 here - some vehemently.