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Title: Killings gone
Post by: fjm on March 15, 2021, 06:29:41 PM
Albany coach.

NOW HIRE SOMEONE WITH SOME unnatural carnal knowledgeING HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1371603332666687488?s=21
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: cheebs09 on March 15, 2021, 06:32:03 PM
Leitao is available
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: JWags85 on March 15, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
Looking forward to new Marquette assistant Nolan Smith or Kyle Singler
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: CountryRoads on March 15, 2021, 06:34:18 PM
Presutti from Assistant Coach to Associate Head Coach

Cam Marotta from Program Assistant to Assistant Coach

Ike Eke to Program Assistant

Promotions from within all around. Let’s get it done!
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Tha Hound on March 15, 2021, 06:38:54 PM
Nothing matters until Wojo's contract is up. Someone hand me my roast beef
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 15, 2021, 06:41:48 PM
Not surprised. Only heard great things. Congrats Dwayne!
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2021, 06:43:38 PM
I wish Coach Killings great success at Albany, and wherever his career may take him.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2021, 06:45:09 PM
Looking forward to new Marquette assistant Nolan Smith or Kyle Singler

Lmao.  Well played.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: We R Final Four on March 15, 2021, 06:45:59 PM
Wonder the bearing this will have on Justin.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: shoothoops on March 15, 2021, 06:49:49 PM
Congrats to Dwayne. Good for him. He was represented Marquette well. Well earned. Keep it going.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Blackhat on March 15, 2021, 06:54:02 PM
Coach wojo to se missouri st!
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: WarriorPride68 on March 15, 2021, 06:56:32 PM
finally, now Wojo can win without Killings holding him back
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Blackhat on March 15, 2021, 06:58:29 PM
If coach wojo never went to duke, would he still be our coach?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: muhoops1 on March 15, 2021, 07:04:50 PM
Wojo’s coaching tree continues to blossom!
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 15, 2021, 07:09:13 PM
Congrats to Coach Killings.  I sincerely hope whoever Wojo hires will be someone who is a solution to Wojo's vast array of shortcomings.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: BCHoopster on March 15, 2021, 07:17:26 PM
How about Baldwin and his son?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 15, 2021, 07:18:34 PM
How about Baldwin and his son?

Why would he leave his UWM gig?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on March 15, 2021, 07:19:16 PM
Congrats to Killings.  Will be rooting him to succeed at Albany.

With Wojo staying a near-lock, I sincerely hope he hires an assistant with head coaching experience.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: NickelDimer on March 15, 2021, 07:20:29 PM
Congrats to Killings.  Will be rooting him to succeed at Albany.

With Wojo staying a near-lock, I sincerely hope he hires an assistant with head coaching experience. who can take his job when he’s fired early next season
Fixed
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 15, 2021, 07:21:38 PM
Congrats to Coach Killings, I wish him well.

This is actually an opportunity for Wojo to own up to his failures and hire someone who addresses them.  Scholl needs to tell him to hire someone who can fill in his deficiencies instead of someone who can keep up during noon ball.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: WarriorPride68 on March 15, 2021, 07:24:35 PM
With Wojo staying a near-lock, I sincerely hope he hires an assistant with head coaching experience.

Mike Deane is only 69 years young #DoneDeal
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: BCHoopster on March 15, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
Why would he leave his UWM gig?

Money mainly
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: panda on March 15, 2021, 07:29:58 PM
Money mainly

We’ve had bad luck taking the brothers in recruiting deals so let’s take a dad instead!!
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2021, 07:35:54 PM
Congrats to Killings! The rest of us should just make a trip to Arby’s.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: tower912 on March 15, 2021, 07:40:35 PM
Good for Coach Killings
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Mu8891 on March 15, 2021, 07:41:09 PM
Congrats to Killings

I say bring on Baldwin and his son ...

Why not ?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Herman Cain on March 15, 2021, 07:57:26 PM
Happy for Coach Killings. Wish him all the best of luck at Albany.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2021, 08:06:40 PM
Congratulations Nelson to Holy Cross, Stan to LMU, Coach Killings to Albany. A MU friend of mine Son and Daughter played LaCrosse for Albany HS and it is her birthday today and she is a Professor at Albany-SUNY this is her present.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
Presutti from Assistant Coach to Associate Head Coach

Cam Marotta from Program Assistant to Assistant Coach

Ike Eke to Program Assistant

Promotions from within all around. Let’s get it done!
Have spoke with all the above and Agree
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2021, 08:15:40 PM
If coach wojo never went to duke, would he still be our coach?

There is no rational explanation why a program that cares about basketball would have him on the sidelines to begin his 8th year.  I know we're beating a dead horse but are there other examples of a HC with a tenure this long at a tier one D-1 school?  By tier one I mean multiple F4's and in the top 25 range all-time. 
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: panda on March 15, 2021, 08:23:33 PM
There is no rational explanation why a program that cares about basketball would have him on the sidelines to begin his 8th year.  I know we're beating a dead horse but are there other examples of a HC with a tenure this long at a tier one D-1 school?  By tier one I mean multiple F4's and in the top 25 range all-time.

Top of my head? It doesn’t fit into your criteria, but Clemson has held onto their coach for a really long time without any success. Otherwise? Drawing a blank..
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
There is no rational explanation why a program that cares about basketball would have him on the sidelines to begin his 8th year.  I know we're beating a dead horse but are there other examples of a HC with a tenure this long at a tier one D-1 school?  By tier one I mean multiple F4's and in the top 25 range all-time.
Agree here too
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: cheese ball chaser on March 15, 2021, 08:32:49 PM
He's probably making a Killing at his new gig, hey?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2021, 08:35:17 PM
Wojo seems like a really good guy.  It's not possible these were his personal expectations after 7 yrs.  In fact it's nowhere close and he'd be the first to own it.   Obviously he's not going to resign but I bet he would handle things very well if he was bought out and replaced.  And maybe he can find a niche somewhere else, perhaps even a high major, but we have no evidence it will be at MU or the BEast.  Remember 8 yrs is dog years in college basketball.  It's a tough job but results have to matter. 
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: JWags85 on March 15, 2021, 09:05:50 PM
Top of my head? It doesn’t fit into your criteria, but Clemson has held onto their coach for a really long time without any success. Otherwise? Drawing a blank..

Browned made a S16 at Clemson 3 years ago, that bought him time.

Otherwise, the gold standard until two years ago was Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss. 12 seasons with 2 NCAA appearances and 1 win.

Andy Enfield has a nice team at USC this year, but it’s been 8 years of meh for the most part.  Same with Tinkle at Oregon St
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2021, 09:07:18 PM
Browned made a S16 at Clemson 3 years ago, that bought him time.

Otherwise, the gold standard until two years ago was Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss. 12 seasons with 2 NCAA appearances and 1 win.

Andy Enfield has a nice team at USC this year, but it’s been 8 years of meh for the most part.  Same with Tinkle at Oregon St

I know I'm biased but I don't consider any of those programs in the same stratosphere as Marquette. 
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: panda on March 15, 2021, 09:08:55 PM
Browned made a S16 at Clemson 3 years ago, that bought him time.

Otherwise, the gold standard until two years ago was Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss. 12 seasons with 2 NCAA appearances and 1 win.

Andy Enfield has a nice team at USC this year, but it’s been 8 years of meh for the most part.  Same with Tinkle at Oregon St

Good call on Tinkle. His son really saved him last year and two seasons ago. Great player on a really bad team.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: JWags85 on March 15, 2021, 09:16:05 PM
I know I'm biased but I don't consider any of those programs in the same stratosphere as Marquette.

I don’t disagree with you.  The mention of Clemson just made me think of P6 teams that held onto middling coaches quite a long time
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Mu8891 on March 15, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
So ...

We are now comparing mu to
Clemson , Ole Miss and OREGON ST ??

Good lord. This is bad.  Really bad
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2021, 09:30:09 PM
I don%u2019t disagree with you.  The mention of Clemson just made me think of P6 teams that held onto middling coaches quite a long time

I appreciate that you did think of other P6 programs because I think it illustrates my point even more.  And while there are several posters I respect, especially the Gato's, that think we have a good nucleus and don't want to lose them, it's very difficult for me to believe we would be a factor next year.  What I mean is a threat in the NCAA tournament.  So even if everything were to go our way, including additional impact transfers, there is nothing my eyes have seen which would suggest we can make some noise in March.  Ergo, blowing it up seems prudent from my vantage point.  And I'll tell you something else: guys like Underwood, Musselman, Oats, Porter, and others were out there.  If you accept mediocrity, or sub-medioctity, the problem is you.  This is my personal message to those in.charge at MU.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: WarriorPride68 on March 15, 2021, 09:30:13 PM
Browned made a S16 at Clemson 3 years ago, that bought him time.

Clemson has basketball?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2021, 09:31:40 PM
Wojo seems like a really good guy.  It's not possible these were his personal expectations after 7 yrs.  In fact it's nowhere close and he'd be the first to own it.   Obviously he's not going to resign but I bet he would handle things very well if he was bought out and replaced.  And maybe he can find a niche somewhere else, perhaps even a high major, but we have no evidence it will be at MU or the BEast.  Remember 8 yrs is dog years in college basketball.  It's a tough job but results have to matter.

Agree again. Also if there was no COVID and if Marquette got in the 8/9 game last year where most Bracketologies had Marquette and we beat either Houston or Arizona which most Bracketologies had us paired against it may be a different story. But it is not unfortunately.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: marquette09 on March 15, 2021, 09:34:36 PM
Agree again. Also if there was no COVID and if Marquette got in the 8/9 game last year where most Bracketologies had Marquette and we beat either Houston or Arizona which most Bracketologies had us paired against it may be a different story. But it is not unfortunately.

What makes you think that team last year was going to win a tournament game?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2021, 09:37:26 PM
What makes you think that team last year was going to win a tournament game?


I did not think they would win just said if they would of had a chance without COVID and won things might be different. But they are not.Again.  I did not think they would win.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2021, 09:59:27 PM
Here's the thing, and I'll be the first to admit it, two years ago it looked like we should extend Wojo.  I forget things but we were like 20-4 and closing in on a 3 seed.  Not only that but for 19-20, before the infamous "letter", many projected us as a top 5 team last season.  I realize I get a bit hyperbolic with regards to MU hoops but I was right there that we had tremendous potential to make a legitimate tournament run.  However, looking back, I and others got ahead of reality.  We lost two very good players but we were still flawed and there was a bit of smoke and mirrors in our legitimate chances.  We all have enough data,  It's time to move another direction.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: jesmu84 on March 15, 2021, 10:00:58 PM
Here's the thing, and I'll be the first to admit it, two years ago it looked like we should extend Wojo.  I forget things but we were like 20-4 and closing in on a 3 seed.  Not only that but for 19-20, before the infamous "letter, many projected us as a top 5 team last season.  I realize I get a bit hyperbolic with regards to MU hoops but I was there that we had tremendous potential to make a legitimate tournament run.  However, looking back, Inand others got ahead of reality.  We lost two very good players but we were still very flawed and there was a bit of smoke and mirrors in our legitimate chances.  We all have enough data,  It's time to move another direction.

Oh. This is the first I'm hearing an opinion like this.

Anyway....about Coach Killings...
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: shoothoops on March 15, 2021, 10:10:50 PM
Clemson has basketball?

Greg Elliott's sister Gabby plays for the Clemson Women's team. She was the team's 2nd leading scorer as. Freshman. (13 plus per game) Former Mis Michigan Basketball, and former Michigan Gatorade Player of the Year.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: 1SE on March 16, 2021, 01:45:28 AM
Does the fact that Wojo may very well be gone at the end of next year make it harder for him to hire a good AC? Great for killings but man this is turning into a train wreck. How many of Ks recruits follow him out the door too?
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 16, 2021, 01:54:40 AM
Does the fact that Wojo may very well be gone at the end of next year make it harder for him to hire a good AC? Great for killings but man this is turning into a train wreck. How many of Ks recruits follow him out the door too?

Marquette will likely still pay well for a new assistant (or two!).  Wojo and a new assistant will still bet on themselves to win and MU likely ends up with a good assistant coach.   The hope is we get one that can help Wojo get over his shortcomings.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: 1SE on March 16, 2021, 01:57:52 AM
Marquette will likely still pay well for a new assistant (or two!).  Wojo and a new assistant will still bet on themselves to win and MU likely ends up with a good assistant coach.   The hope is we get one that can help Wojo get over his shortcomings.

I mean I guess he has better success getting ACs to the HC level than he does getting kids to the NBA....
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 16, 2021, 02:05:09 AM
I mean I guess he has better success getting ACs to the HC level than he does getting kids to the NBA....

Well, thanks for Wojo unleashing Juan his senior year (lol), he can now count Henry, Juan, and Markus.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on March 16, 2021, 09:03:10 AM
How about Baldwin and his son?

I heard a rumor (non-Marquette source), even before MU was 1st-rd ousted from the BET, that Pat Baldwin will be the next head coach of Marquette.

To think of the irony there’s even a slight possibility NU’s Chris Collins unwittingly sent Wojo’s successor up to Milwaukee, right next door to him.

If it came down to TJO and Pitino, it’s a no-brainer. You take the baggage and welcome Rick to MU. Pat Baldwin and Pitino, OTOH, requires some thought. I would still take Baldwin, even without his son.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: cheebs09 on March 16, 2021, 09:06:05 AM
I heard a rumor (non-Marquette source), even before MU was 1st-rd ousted from the BET, that Pat Baldwin will be the next head coach of Marquette.

To think of the irony there’s even a slight possibility NU’s Chris Collins unwittingly sent Wojo’s successor up to Milwaukee, right next door to him.

If it came down to TJO and Pitino, it’s a no-brainer. You take the baggage and welcome Rick to MU. Pat Baldwin and Pitino, OTOH, requires some thought. I would still take Baldwin, even without his son.

What has Baldwin done that would make him an attractive coach other than his son? UWM is not an easy place to win, but other than a few good Horizon League tournaments, Baldwin hasn’t done much.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on March 16, 2021, 09:17:52 AM
“UWM is not an easy place to win”.
Understatement of the century.

Pat Baldwin, given a chance at Marquette, would elevate his game substantially. He’s the perfect fit. Really, really knows the Midwest. Understands what it’s like to produce for an institution (NU both as a student-athlete and coach) that wants to keep its academic reputation strong.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2021, 09:35:36 AM
I would welcome Pat Baldwin with open arms...

...as a replacement for Coach Killings.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: fjm on March 16, 2021, 09:36:55 AM
I would welcome Pat Baldwin with open arms...

...as a replacement for Coach Killings.

You had me goin in the first half.

Solid follow through. 👍🏼
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: panda on March 16, 2021, 09:38:35 AM
I would welcome Pat Baldwin with open arms...

...as a replacement for Coach Killings.

Lol nice. Imagine the excitement of Wojo leaving only to be replaced by the current UWM HC from the Chris Collins coaching tree.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: JWags85 on March 16, 2021, 09:43:47 AM
“UWM is not an easy place to win”.
Understatement of the century.

Pat Baldwin, given a chance at Marquette, would elevate his game substantially. He’s the perfect fit. Really, really knows the Midwest. Understands what it’s like to produce for an institution (NU both as a student-athlete and coach) that wants to keep its academic reputation strong.

Are you his agent? His CV was representative of the job he got. Which even if it is a tough place to win, hasn’t merited a promotion to even a MVC or A10 job, much less a profile and budget like Marquette. Claiming a guy who spent the entirety of his assistant career at middling/losing programs, and then an inauspicious HC tenure, would decidedly “elevate his game substantially” is absurdly baseless speculation.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: muwarrior97 on March 16, 2021, 10:04:54 AM
Not surprised. Only heard great things. Congrats Dwayne!

+1

Agreed! Good for him and his family, big step and could be a nice path for him on the road to higher places
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 16, 2021, 10:11:39 AM
Pat Baldwin Jan. 24th and after, past three seasons:

2018-19: 0-11 to the end the season.

2019-20: 2-9, 0-6 to end season

2020-21: 1-6, 5 in a row at the end. Untill winning 3 in a row and blowing the game vs CSU (HL semi's). 4-7
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Silent Verbal on March 16, 2021, 10:12:36 AM
Pat Baldwin Jan. 24th and after, past three seasons:

2018-19: 0-11

2019-20: 2-9, 0-6 to end season

2020-21: 1-6, 5 in a row at the end. Untill winning 3 in a row and blowing the game vs CSU. 4-7

In other words, he’d fit right in at Marquette.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: Goose on March 16, 2021, 10:31:41 AM
Silent Verbal.

He sure would.
Title: Re: Killings gone
Post by: willie warrior on March 16, 2021, 03:31:53 PM
Marquette will likely still pay well for a new assistant (or two!).  Wojo and a new assistant will still bet on themselves to win and MU likely ends up with a good assistant coach.   The hope is we get one that can help Wojo get over his shortcomings.
Thats right. Hire somebody to cover Wojo-Dukiets shortcomings. Makes sense and is better than finding a winner coach. That...might be difficult.