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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU82 on December 17, 2014, 01:00:56 AM
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Almost lost in the Luke hysteria is the fact that JJJ was our leading scorer and had a very nice all-around game.
I can't remember which Scooper kept saying JJJ sucked and shouldn't even see the floor, and I'm far too lazy to look it up. But obviously JJJ doesn't suck and obviously Wojo felt JJJ deserved to see the floor -- and to stay on the floor after playing well in his early minutes.
This was the best game of his career and it came against a real opponent. Not the best opponent in the history of basketball, but not a bad team at all.
JJJ was buried on the bench by Buzz and was struggling to find his role under Wojo.
Is it possible that Deonte's departure saved JJJ's Marquette career? Fact is, Deonte had few if any performances as good as this one, regardless of opponent.
Here's hoping this was the start of something very good!
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Easy it was that Hutch guy. JJJ needs about 4 more of these games to start conference play to shut that guy up though.
He's on the fast track to reach Ners level by mid February.
Fantastic game by JJJ. The guy is just incredible in transition.
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I've been hard on him when it came to the discussion of Burton's playing time following the transfer as the most likely guy he could/should have gotten more time because he was playing poorly.
Somehow he seemed to slow down just a bit and it made all the difference in the world.
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Agreed. The thing I've learned in all the statistical breakdown of how much players impact their team is that steals have the most impact of anything you can do. JJJ is truly amazing in that he is in the top 2% of all players in steals (4.4% of opponents trips) and somehow does it while committing less than one foul per 20 minutes. Yes, he has to stop turning the ball over and make more of his threes to go along with his 59.5% on two pointers - but he is taking points off the board with his defense.
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JJJ started the 2nd half ahead of Derrick. Props to Wojo for going with the hot hands (JJJ and Fischer).
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JJJ is one of my favorite players and it was good seeing him have a great offensive game. That said, his defense still needs considerable work. Like Deonte, he gets a fantastic amount of steals, his overall D is still a work-in-progress. But he is making strides, and I hope he continues to improve on that end of the floor.
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The best thing I saw from JjJ last night was decent man to man defense! Not great, but he stayed on his man and helped disrupt things. Just playing at that level will allow him to stay on the floor.
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JJJ is one of my favorite players and it was good seeing him have a great offensive game. That said, his defense still needs considerable work. Like Deonte, he gets a fantastic amount of steals, his overall D is still a work-in-progress. But he is making strides, and I hope he continues to improve on that end of the floor.
He may benefit the most from Fischer. Can gamble for the steals knowing there's someone to back him up at the rim. Would've helped Burton too, shame he didn't stick it out.
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JJJ is going to be a great player before he is done. He is a true basketball player and an athlete. Very high hopes for him moving forward.
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JJJ has been my favorite player on this team for a long time. Some of the plays he made in transition take incredible athletic ability. Last year I thought Todd Mayo said it best about JJJ in referring to him as a pure scorer. He is the kind of kid that just racks up points when he is in the flow. He needs to keep working hard on D so he can stay on the floor.
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I agree that JjJ's game will begin to pick up and I think Luke will have the most impact on his breakout. Luke's D created many fast breaks last night, allowing both JjJ and Du to use their speed to blow by ASU defenders. JjJ stil needs to get consistent with his shot, but he looked great in transition last night.
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I was tough on him as well, and he showed up big. Looked competent in the man-to-man.
The key for him is bringing that effort level when he's not scoring. Good first step last night, though.
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Both JJJ and Anderson are open court players. They need to get out in run. Fischer allows them to do that.
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Both JJJ and Anderson are open court players. They need to get out in run. Fischer allows them to do that.
This. Remains to be seen if this is the new style of play or just one game. But hopefully Fischer makes guards better because he fills a void aka backs them up and allows them to focus more on what they are good at. Good for me as a fan because I love the style of play by the team last night.
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I was one of the folks making the argument that JjJ minutes should go to Burton. I think JjJ is a good guy and can be a good play, and I think he was great last night. He seems to have a thing against Arizona State because his best performance last year was against ASU.
I think his offensive decision making was good, and he seemed to play in control. I think he still needs to get better defensively but if Fischer is going to play like that, it will forgive a multitude of sins. JjJ's biggest issue is consistency, which we still haven't seen.
I hope this is a corner turn for JjJ and this run of cupcakes should help to get him confidence. I think we'll know if he has turned the corner and if Fischer is legit by January 18th.
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Both JJJ and Anderson are open court players. They need to get out in run. Fischer allows them to do that.
It helps that ASU is apparently allergic to the ball. We'll see if we can play open court with a team that protects the ball. I would hope so but we'll see.
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Almost lost in the Luke hysteria is the fact that JJJ was our leading scorer and had a very nice all-around game.
I can't remember which Scooper kept saying JJJ sucked and shouldn't even see the floor, and I'm far too lazy to look it up. But obviously JJJ doesn't suck and obviously Wojo felt JJJ deserved to see the floor -- and to stay on the floor after playing well in his early minutes.
This was the best game of his career and it came against a real opponent. Not the best opponent in the history of basketball, but not a bad team at all.
JJJ was buried on the bench by Buzz and was struggling to find his role under Wojo.
Is it possible that Deonte's departure saved JJJ's Marquette career? Fact is, Deonte had few if any performances as good as this one, regardless of opponent.
Here's hoping this was the start of something very good!
Amaroso once scored 30 against South Carolina. Lets not take one performance as gospel. I am hoping their will be more of these games to come. I am not not skeptical, just playing devils advocate
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Amaroso once scored 30 against South Carolina. Lets not take one performance as gospel. I am hoping their will be more of these games to come. I am not not skeptical, just playing devils advocate
i don't understand what this has to do with JJJ...i don't think the two will have anything in common regarding their development at MU.
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Duane and Jajuan were in attack mode all night and kept ASU on their heels. Jajuan fits in nicely with this group and if he can keep improving his defense and get some consistency with his outside shot he is going to be a huge factor.
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The best thing I saw from JjJ last night was decent man to man defense! Not great, but he stayed on his man and helped disrupt things. Just playing at that level will allow him to stay on the floor.
I agree totally. He was where he was supposed to be most of the night, and created some havoc at times, too. Having a shot-blocker behind him can only help him and everybody else on D.
On offense, JJJ is like a lot of natural scorers who aren't pure shooters. He is going to throw up a brick or three and will have the occasional turnover in transition, but he is going to put pressure on the defense and create opportunities for himself and his teammates.
I'm not (Denny Green) crowning his a$$ based on one performance, but anybody who watches him closely knows he has a lot of natural ability and a very high upside.
I was thrilled to see Wojo start him over Derrick in the second half. Beyond thrilled, in fact. And then for JJJ to come through after being trusted like that was huge.
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If we keep reminding ourselves that this is a VERY young team and game by game we will see awesome and/or terrible performances from individual players, but the goal is experience and building a core, then I am very encouraged. We have a lot of raw talent to develop. Then next year we add the new guys and a few more recruits, I can't help but be ecstatic about the future of MU basketball.
At the beginning of the season I noted that some of the young players will take off and some will crash and burn. I was afraid JJJ was headed to the ladder, but after last night, I am much more encouraged toward the former. Go for it JJJ!!! I really love what you can bring to MU basketball.
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i don't understand what this has to do with JJJ...i don't think the two will have anything in common regarding their development at MU.
Im just saying that sometimes OK players have AWESOME Games. David Diggs against Gonzaga, Brian Barone against UC. I am not saying that JJJ is any of those guys, but we have seen many more clunkers than we have seen great games from him. I believe CSU Fullerton was his last great game
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He may benefit the most from Fischer. Can gamble for the steals knowing there's someone to back him up at the rim. Would've helped Burton too, shame he didn't stick it out.
Agreed. Defensively, Fischer allows him to take a few more gambles. But also on the other end, Fischer can clear out space down low by sealing off driving lanes, as well as drawing taller defenders out with his ability to hit the 15 foot jumper. This then giving JjJ and others more space to drive the lane and finish against shorter defenders.
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Luke also helped because he did what Otule did last year which was seal off his defender. Say what you want about Otule but he was really good at that.
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One thing young offensive players need to learn is once they miss a shot get back and play D, JJJ seems to be in another world when that happens. His energy level on getting back is
basically bad, bad body language. His shot is still really funky, not sure who taught him how to shot the ball, like Keith Wilkes, lets see if he can follow up with another good game or how
he shots it on the road.
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One thing young offensive players need to learn is once they miss a shot get back and play D, JJJ seems to be in another world when that happens. His energy level on getting back is
basically bad, bad body language. His shot is still really funky, not sure who taught him how to shot the ball, like Keith Wilkes, lets see if he can follow up with another good game or how
he shots it on the road.
I think he has shown evidence of getting back and making up for bad plays with steals etc quite a bit. However, I have noticed on more than one occasion the things you pointed out. I think the key for him to keep playing the minutes he needs, is to become a consistent defender.
The shot style is the shot style. He makes a high percentage of free throws so we know he can stroke it. I would analogize it to the golfer Jim Furyk, has a crappy golf swing but it works. Or as you point out Keith Wilkes.
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I think he has shown evidence of getting back and making up for bad plays with steals etc quite a bit. However, I have noticed on more than one occasion the things you pointed out. I think the key for him to keep playing the minutes he needs, is to become a consistent defender.
The shot style is the shot style. He makes a high percentage of free throws so we know he can stroke it. I would analogize it to the golfer Jim Furyk, has a crappy golf swing but it works. Or as you point out Keith Wilkes.
Jim Furyk doesn't have a bad golf swing. He takes it up extremely vertical BUT he has one of the best impact positions in the the game.
If anything can be taken from Jim Furyk is that 5 Hour Energy is bogus because he always seems to fade late on Sunday afternoons.
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I was expecting a breakthrough year for him. He just needs to hit the weight room this next off season.
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One thing young offensive players need to learn is once they miss a shot get back and play D, JJJ seems to be in another world when that happens. His energy level on getting back is
basically bad, bad body language. His shot is still really funky, not sure who taught him how to shot the ball, like Keith Wilkes, lets see if he can follow up with another good game or how
he shots it on the road.
This is spot on. It is clearly evident that JJJ is learning to play defense. His help D, his weak side box outs and to a lesser degree his on ball man to man are foreign to him. Luke will cover many deficiencies of our guards, but he will rack up fouls quickly trying to cover for Carlino and JJJ's D.
Great on the open floor however.
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Agreed. The thing I've learned in all the statistical breakdown of how much players impact their team is that steals have the most impact of anything you can do. JJJ is truly amazing in that he is in the top 2% of all players in steals (4.4% of opponents trips) and somehow does it while committing less than one foul per 20 minutes. Yes, he has to stop turning the ball over and make more of his threes to go along with his 59.5% on two pointers - but he is taking points off the board with his defense.
Concern for JJJ is, "what is real?" Juan is definitely a 3.0%+ steal guy. That's him. Duane I think can be.
JJJ... not sure. In 4 of 9 games he had zero steals. If I were to throw out a guess for him this season when March arrives.. I might drop down to a ~2.8 vs. the 4.4 he's at.
Hope it's real.. but from the data + games watched.. not sure it's "him" so much
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Jim Furyk doesn't have a bad golf swing. He takes it up extremely vertical BUT he has one of the best impact positions in the the game.
If anything can be taken from Jim Furyk is that 5 Hour Energy is bogus because he always seems to fade late on Sunday afternoons.
I will amend and say It is an unusual looking swing at the top.
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I will amend and say It is an unusual looking swing at the top.
But it's consistent and that is key, whether golf or basketball.
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But it's consistent and that is key, whether golf or basketball.
Agreed
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Bringing this thread back to life, because again, there were few signs of suckage for JJJ.
He came up huge for us again, especially in the second half.
I see a kid who is still learning, especially about how to play D, but who has very good instincts and a $hitload of talent.
Glad he's still a Warrior!
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Bringing this thread back to life, because again, there were few signs of suckage for JJJ.
He came up huge for us again, especially in the second half.
I see a kid who is still learning, especially about how to play D, but who has very good instincts and a $hitload of talent.
Glad he's still a Warrior!
I really enjoy watching JJJ play . He is my favorite player on the team. His body control on the floaters is incredible.
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I really enjoy watching JJJ play . He is my favorite player on the team. His body control on the floaters is incredible.
JJJ kinda reminds me of how explosive DJO was. Obviously DJO was one of the best players MU has had in a long time but when JJJ gets going to the hoop you can't help but get excited. Then he'll occasionally make you yell "oh god don't shoot that" and then he'll make it anyway. I'm really excited to watch this team the rest of the year.
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Tonight on many of his drives I wasn't excited, I was furious at his thought process. Driving 1-on-3 or 1-on-4 with no hope of an outlet pass. Thank god the refs bailed him out on some of those. Jajuan has the potential to be great, but he needs to learn when to attack and when to pull up and wait for reinforcements.
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Tonight on many of his drives I wasn't excited, I was furious at his thought process. Driving 1-on-3 or 1-on-4 with no hope of an outlet pass. Thank god the refs bailed him out on some of those. Jajuan has the potential to be great, but he needs to learn when to attack and when to pull up and wait for reinforcements.
I'm fine with it because nobody else does with the exception of Duane. That's the kind of play we were missing last year so I have zero problems with that.
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Tonight on many of his drives I wasn't excited, I was furious at his thought process. Driving 1-on-3 or 1-on-4 with no hope of an outlet pass. Thank god the refs bailed him out on some of those. Jajuan has the potential to be great, but he needs to learn when to attack and when to pull up and wait for reinforcements.
I completely agree. He needs to learn to understand the defense, where his teammates are and evaluate the best options. Sometimes you need to take chances and be aggressive, but right now he is always taking chances.
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Tonight on many of his drives I wasn't excited, I was furious at his thought process. Driving 1-on-3 or 1-on-4 with no hope of an outlet pass. Thank god the refs bailed him out on some of those. Jajuan has the potential to be great, but he needs to learn when to attack and when to pull up and wait for reinforcements.
Agreed. He reminds me a bit of Jerel McNeal in that every now and then he gets this look, and you know that no matter what he is going to take it to the hoop and attempt to shoot. Several of his drives last night needed to be ended a little earlier with a pass, or pulled up.
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Agreed. He reminds me a bit of Jerel McNeal in that every now and then he gets this look, and you know that no matter what he is going to take it to the hoop and attempt to shoot. Several of his drives last night needed to be ended a little earlier with a pass, or pulled up.
I think of all the players on this team, JJJ is the one who could really have a nice pull-up game. We are going to start facing some erasers going into Big East season so it is not always wise to take it all the way to the tin each time. I am hoping we start to see more floaters and pull-ups out of JaJuan going forward.
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JJJ had a good game yesterday. He had a couple good games last year. However outside of Arizona State, none of these good games have been against higher quality opponents. He can get away with stuff against the likes of North Dakota that he can't against the likes of BE competition.
That has to be the next step in his evolution as a basketball player.
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I'm fine with it because nobody else does with the exception of Duane. That's the kind of play we were missing last year so I have zero problems with that.
Against higher level competition, I will happily miss the play of a guy driving 1-on-3. Both halves started with ND getting whistled for the first 6 fouls, and Jajuan was the beneficiary of more than a couple of those. One in particular he drove straight at three guys and it looked close to a clean tie-up, but the refs called the foul. In Big East play, almost all his trips to the line would have been turnovers.
I love his athleticism, love his potential, but he desperately needs to learn the value of a possession.
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I'm fine with it because nobody else does with the exception of Duane. That's the kind of play we were missing last year so I have zero problems with that.
Never once did I think last year "Man, if only someone would drive 1 on 3."
Juan, JJJ and even Duane were doing a little too much to create "something out of nothing." It was part of what lead to a really poor first half. Once they settled down and played within themselves, *that* is when things took off for them.
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I see everything you guys are talking about on both the offensive and defensive ends. But somehow I believe that JjJ is getting quality coaching for the very first time THIS year (forget about Buzz getting him any better) and I see a kid with an open mind trying very hard to get better, especially on the defensive end where it seems that he never had any instruction before. I'm expecting continuing improvement this year and beyond.
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Never once did I think last year "Man, if only someone would drive 1 on 3."
Two words: Butch Lee
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It seems to me that the hitch, or whatever you want to call it, in his three point shot is getting worse.
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I see everything you guys are talking about on both the offensive and defensive ends. But somehow I believe that JjJ is getting quality coaching for the very first time THIS year (forget about Buzz getting him any better) and I see a kid with an open mind trying very hard to get better, especially on the defensive end where it seems that he never had any instruction before. I'm expecting continuing improvement this year and beyond.
I agree with this analysis . You are making a very good point.
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I see everything you guys are talking about on both the offensive and defensive ends. But somehow I believe that JjJ is getting quality coaching for the very first time THIS year (forget about Buzz getting him any better) and I see a kid with an open mind trying very hard to get better, especially on the defensive end where it seems that he never had any instruction before. I'm expecting continuing improvement this year and beyond.
I agree with all this. I do think that he will continue to improve on his deficiencies. But it doesn't make them any less frustrating when he does one of his "Jajuan against the world" drives.
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I agree with all this. I do think that he will continue to improve on his deficiencies. But it doesn't make them any less frustrating when he does one of his "Jajuan against the world" drives.
I agree with Glow and you on this....my fear right now is I see a little too much Dameon Mason in JjJ. There is a ton of athletic potential there, but I'm not sure the basketball IQ is there. I don't think JjJ has had to "think" through basketball, including last year, and as a result he has a good game when it's a less talented team or one that plays sloppy because it becomes an athlete game as opposed to somebody like Georgetown that plays disciplined team defense that will eat up reckless drives and not to mention officiating that won't reward bad drives.
I think Wojo is coaching him up and he will get better, I just hope JjJ gets that prior into running into the Big East wall.
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I agree with Glow and you on this....my fear right now is I see a little too much Dameon Mason in JjJ. There is a ton of athletic potential there, but I'm not sure the basketball IQ is there. I don't think JjJ has had to "think" through basketball, including last year, and as a result he has a good game when it's a less talented team or one that plays sloppy because it becomes an athlete game as opposed to somebody like Georgetown that plays disciplined team defense that will eat up reckless drives and not to mention officiating that won't reward bad drives.
I think Wojo is coaching him up and he will get better, I just hope JjJ gets that prior into running into the Big East wall.
I think the qualities that JJJ possesses cannot be taught. The defense and court positioning can be. I am confident the coaches will make the investment in time necessary for JJJ to realize his full potential.
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2 more games and JJJ should pass his minute total of last year.
Needs to keep building confidence
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I agree with Glow and you on this....my fear right now is I see a little too much Dameon Mason in JjJ. There is a ton of athletic potential there, but I'm not sure the basketball IQ is there. I don't think JjJ has had to "think" through basketball, including last year, and as a result he has a good game when it's a less talented team or one that plays sloppy because it becomes an athlete game as opposed to somebody like Georgetown that plays disciplined team defense that will eat up reckless drives and not to mention officiating that won't reward bad drives.
I think Wojo is coaching him up and he will get better, I just hope JjJ gets that prior into running into the Big East wall.
I think offensive bad habits will be toughest for him to break because that's where his God given ability exists. But if Wojo can get his defense up to a B against solid competition, he'll then be able to refine his offensive game.