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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: tower912 on April 10, 2020, 06:54:30 PM
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Ridiculously hard hit. Detroit being a hub for international flights from both Asia and Europe hurt. Covid was here long before anybody knew. And it came in on the international flights. The primaries were here on March 10 and in the weeks leading up to those primaries, there were a whole bunch of rallies. First case documented on March 10. Since then, the fit has hit the shan. Detroit is exceptionally hard hit, and it is exposing the economic inequalities that have existed forever. The economically disadvantaged African American population is getting pounded. Neighborhoods that have many houses with the water shut off. No major grocery stores close by, so most food is either got at the corner party store or by taking a bus for a 1/2 hour ride to a chain grocery. Both lead to more contamination. Many with untreated co-morbidities. Heart disease, hypertension, diabetes. Having to take a bus to a minimum wage job without health care. In other words, a perfect storm against those who have already been left behind.
That woman, Governor Gretchen, responded quickly and aggressively. Schools closed. Social distancing. Non-essential businesses closed. Gatherings larger than 10 banned. Banning driving between your home downstate and your cottage up north. Setting up field hospitals. She is acting like a stern, angry mom of teenagers. Which is OK. Up until now, most people endured it.
But it is now a study in human nature and what all of the governors are going to face going forward. Extending the shut down for another 3 weeks is causing some who have formerly backed her to start questioning. How long is long enough? Why close down access to gardening utensils in a Meijer, Target, Wal-Mart or Costco? The customers are already there for their groceries. What is an essential business? What about no-contact jobs like landscaping? What about letting some construction companies finish the already started houses enough that they don't rot in the weather? Why not let walking golfers golf? Why is a packed parking lot at Wal-Mart considered safe, but baseball practice not? What is an essential road construction project? Why can't we go to our cabin in the woods?
It will be interesting to see how this is handled. Cave to nagging or stand firm? And the sudden blowback after the isolation extension tells me that eventually society is going to accept the risk and start interacting.
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Has there been blowback in Michigan? That’s interesting. Most shelter in place orders seem to have been extended to May 1, and most Americans seem willing to concede that April is a lost month. But if those orders are extended past mid-May, I’m guessing people the country over will begin to grow restless.
In Chicago, “angry” Mayor Lori Lightfoot has become a meme. We’ll see how funny Chicagoans think it is when the Midwest gets its first string of 70s and sunny type weather.
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The blowback has begun. I don't know how organized it will become. And it may again become a Detroit vs outstate argument. Since it has been much less impactful outside of metro Detroit, the restlessness is stating in the west and north.
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https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/with-michigans-coronavirus-stay-at-home-order-extended-frustration-builds-over-whats-been-deemed-non-essential.html
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/04/10/whitmer-stay-home-michigan-lottery/5129316002/
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/10/critics-why-michigans-restrictions-different-than-other-states/5131283002/
Hazard pay as a political football
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/10/covid-19-hazard-pay-fight-cash-more-public-workers/5124306002/
A local politician that I have met, dislike personally, and will campaign against makes a valid argument that carries weight with me.
https://www.mlive.com/opinion/2020/04/seasonal-industries-such-as-lawn-care-and-golf-courses-must-be-given-the-chance-to-survive-opinion.html
So, yeah, the blowback has begun.
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A big issue is that people outside the cities watch news that minimizes the outbreak and is actively pushing to end the isolation.
It will get ugly in Wisconsin before too long.
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Jockey, it will be the same arguments taking place on this board. Scoop is ahead of the curve.
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Not in Michigan, but I've noticed the last week that parking lots at stores, and fast-food/restaurants are starting to be more packed.
2-weeks ago, a Walmart or Grocery store would have had a handful of cars in the parking lot and more employees than customers in the store. This week, places look like pre-pandemic level business. Similarly, lots of people playing basketball, or soccer/cricket in the local parks.
So people are getting antsy and starting to not comply.
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Not in Michigan, but I've noticed the last week that parking lots at stores, and fast-food/restaurants are starting to be more packed.
2-weeks ago, a Walmart or Grocery store would have had a handful of cars in the parking lot and more employees than customers in the store. This week, places look like pre-pandemic level business. Similarly, lots of people playing basketball, or soccer/cricket in the local parks.
So people are getting antsy and starting to not comply.
I have noticed more people venturing out but way more compliance to social distancing. Case in point I just waited at our local market in a one in and one out situation—we all stood six feet apart, in masks and had a nice conversation while we waited 20 mins or so. I actually feel better going out today vs 5 weeks ago since people are all taking this seriously.
Makes me feel like a little relaxation when the time is right can work.
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I think May 1 is going to be as patient as most folks will be. Can't wait on NYC to be virus-free. Not fair to Escanaba or Butte, aina?
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I think May 1 is going to be as patient as most folks will be. Can't wait on NYC to be virus-free. Not fair to Escanaba or Butte, aina?
Outdoor fookin under the moonlight in Escanaba, aina.
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Just went hiking at a county park. Parking lot overflowing. Saw 50 people in 45 minutes on narrow trails. Same story
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/despite-criticism-gov-whitmer-defends-revised-stay-at-home-order.html
This is actually setting up like the debates on our board.
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Not in Michigan, but I've noticed the last week that parking lots at stores, and fast-food/restaurants are starting to be more packed.
2-weeks ago, a Walmart or Grocery store would have had a handful of cars in the parking lot and more employees than customers in the store. This week, places look like pre-pandemic level business. Similarly, lots of people playing basketball, or soccer/cricket in the local parks.
So people are getting antsy and starting to not comply.
I've actually seen the opposite. The 1st week of the stay at home order in Wisconsin, grocery stores were packed.
Way, way fewer people when I go now. Less than a normal crowd before covid. Once people realized there weren't shortages, they respected the order.
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I've actually seen the opposite. The 1st week of the stay at home order in Wisconsin, grocery stores were packed.
Way, way fewer people when I go now. Less than a normal crowd before covid. Once people realized there weren't shortages, they respected the order.
I went today and it was actually tolerable. And the TP aisle was fully stocked. Enough to give you some hope, that.
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Talked about this in other threads. Tomorrow will be the first you see of people breaking quarantine in mass to hang out.
After the initial stay at home are extended into may, and then June, you will see tons of push back and outright defiance.
People have been cooped up in houses for 5 months. When we start getting consistent 60 degree and higher weather, the quarantine will be forgotten.
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Talked about this in other threads. Tomorrow will be the first you see of people breaking quarantine in mass to hang out.
After the initial stay at home are extended into may, and then June, you will see tons of push back and outright defiance.
People have been cooped up in houses for 5 months. When we start getting consistent 60 degree and higher weather, the quarantine will be forgotten.
I agree 100%. Not by all, but a whole lot of people will start being careless.
However I won't be one of those people. We go walking every day. We will be biking every day once the weather turns. But those are isolating activities and it is the way we will exist as long as necessary.
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Talked about this in other threads. Tomorrow will be the first you see of people breaking quarantine in mass to hang out.
After the initial stay at home are extended into may, and then June, you will see tons of push back and outright defiance.
People have been cooped up in houses for 5 months. When we start getting consistent 60 degree and higher weather, the quarantine will be forgotten.
Great, and once that happens we can start our clocks over again, except this time with enforcement from authorities. People are stupid.
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https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/04/13/beaumont-antibody-study-blood-tests/2981515001/
Beaumont group is going big on the blood testing, checking for anti-bodies, looking for asymptomatic carriers, etc. 38,000 employees, going to test any who volunteer. IMO, this is what needs to be happening everywhere. I have said elsewhere and will say it again that I believe that obtaining and processing the plasma of those who have had it and have recovered is going to be the key to finding a treatment that brings the mortality rate under 1% and allows the country to open back up to a degree of normalcy with a vaccine to come this autumn.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/04/13/urgent-care-centers-coronavirus/2973525001/
And this anecdote tracks with my department's own anecdotal evidence. Our total number of medical alarms is actually down compared to a year ago by 5-8%. Part of that may be due fewer traffic accidents. Part of it may be that some people don't want to go where all the sick people are.
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Talked about this in other threads. Tomorrow will be the first you see of people breaking quarantine in mass to hang out.
After the initial stay at home are extended into may, and then June, you will see tons of push back and outright defiance.
People have been cooped up in houses for 5 months. When we start getting consistent 60 degree and higher weather, the quarantine will be forgotten.
You were wrong on your prediction for yesterday. I predict you will be wrong about the others as well.
A handful of nuts demanding the right to kill their fellow Michigan-ers isn't a trend or a movement. It's just a handful of selfish nuts.
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It is breaking down along political lines here, like everywhere else and about everything else.
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Massive protests in Lansing. The party begins.
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tower - I see "the protest" was completely funded by Betsy DeVos (i.e. the DeVos Family Foundation) and there's photos of people in Stars & Bars Jackets walking among the cars.
Looks like a backfire?
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It depends on the ultimate goal. I would be surprised if Gretchen backed down. Think strict angry mom of teenagers. Now the nagging and whining has started and that always changes the mom's mind.
But they got out of the house and had their say. Hopefully, they all got together for a giant group hug before heading home.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/04/15/gretchen-whitmer-protest-michigan-capitol-coronavirus/5136070002/
It will be quite ironic if this causes a spike in cases in outstate Michigan and the quarantine is lengthened.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/g1x30z/protestors_against_the_stayathome_order_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Should be illegal to intentionally block a hospital
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Upside and downside of a battleground state like Michigan. Upside is that federal politicians will take more notice of you (as Buzz would say "in a good way")
Downside is that you get astro-turfing and other frenzies from both parties trying to win the state come November.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/g1x30z/protestors_against_the_stayathome_order_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Should be illegal to intentionally block a hospital
I say let the nuts out to play. When centrist independent voters see this, I don't think they are gonna embrace it.
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My congressman is contemplating a run for president. Michigan is going to be rocking for the next 6+ months.
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My congressman is contemplating a run for president. Michigan is going to be rocking for the next 6+ months.
For any particular party?
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A bunch of gun-toting white nationalists. Beautiful!
But if they kill somebody, "there were very fine people on both sides."
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I say let the nuts out to play. When centrist independent voters see this, I don't think they are gonna embrace it.
Okay....
But you're blocking people from doing their jobs as healthcare workers during a pandemic. That's my point in this situation. I couldn't care less about the political ramifications
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There is no "Ohio" thread, but since Michigan seems to have been the point of origin of the protests, here is the one in Ohio today where protesters were demanding that DeWine "open the state". I guess he was saving too many lives for their liking.
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There is no "Ohio" thread, but since Michigan seems to have been the point of origin of the protests, here is the one in Ohio today where protesters were demanding that DeWine "open the state". I guess he was saving too many lives for their liking.
Sorta looks like some brain dead zombies trying to feast on some brains.
Sorry, too easy.
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Okay....
But you're blocking people from doing their jobs as healthcare workers during a pandemic. That's my point in this situation. I couldn't care less about the political ramifications
Sorry, Jes. It was just a general comment and I should have been clear sine it was a reply to your post.
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No question that these were a bunch of racist creeps. Confederate flags, Trump flags, guns, etc.
What reason, other than pure unadulterated Trump-Brand racism, would people from one of the northernmost states be parading with confederate flags?
It was nice to see them out of their cars and gathered in a group, though.
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Hoods no longer required any more.
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For any particular party?
Independent or Libertarian. Probably Libertarian, as they already have structure in place. Ironically.
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Paint brushes are out thick by many posters, hey.
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Independent or Libertarian. Probably Libertarian, as they already have structure in place. Ironically.
Amash I presume? It seems a bit Quixotic at this point. Do you think he is just trying to play spoiler in Michigan?
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Paint brushes are out thick by many posters, hey.
Agreed. And not a leap I am willing to make. Many of them are there for reasons related to the lockdown.
As to Amash, yeah, it is quixotic. And he would have as much chance as any other Libertarian presidential candidate. But if he continues to run for his house seat, he risks flipping it blue. The D is going to get 40%. Amash and the Republican split the rest. Plurality? At the national level, he gives the never-Trump conservatives somewhere to land.
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153 more died in Michigan in the last 24 hours. Total nearing 2000. No moments of silence for them or the other 28,000 infected in Michigan.
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Paint brushes are out thick by many posters, hey.
Maybe.
But why not answer my question? Why were people waving confederate flags?
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Maybe.
But why not answer my question? Why were people waving confederate flags?
Because when they show up with them they aren't immediately told to leave. Because they know they need those people. So when they don't tell them to leave, they are basically saying they're okay with it.
That's why we paint them together in broad strokes. Because by not telling them to leave they are tacitly endorsing their message.
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The Don't tread on me flags and the AR15s being carried on protestors backs were a nice touch, but I still will not paint with a broad brush. One of the most basic rights we have is to peacefully protest. They were exercising that right.
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Dewine having the same protests in Ohio is actually heartening. Metaphorical hat tip to him.
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Dewine having the same protests in Ohio is actually heartening. Metaphorical hat tip to him.
How do you think all these mouth breathers are going to feel in a month when half of them are sick and start showing up at hospitals?
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Maybe.
But why not answer my question? Why were people waving confederate flags?
People wave confederate flags because it is a sign of rebellion. Are some of them racist? Of course. Are some of them "less racially sensitive" and feel that minorities are over-reacting when they see that symbol? Undoubtedly.
But over the course of my life I have met plenty of people who share that mind-set who aren't what I would describe as "racist."
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People wave confederate flags because it is a sign of rebellion. Are some of them racist? Of course. Are some of them "less racially sensitive" and feel that minorities are over-reacting when they see that symbol? Undoubtedly.
But over the course of my life I have met plenty of people who share that mind-set who aren't what I would describe as "racist."
And that is sort of the problem. They don't understand what that flag means to a lot of people.
Whoever came up with the idea of calling it the "Rebel" flag was thinking really far ahead in their racism. It should have been branded the "Traitor" flag, and been banned the way that the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.
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And that is sort of the problem. They don't understand what that flag means to a lot of people.
Whoever came up with the idea of calling it the "Rebel" flag was thinking really far ahead in their racism. It should have been branded the "Traitor" flag, and been banned the way that the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.
I blame the Dukes of Hazard.
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I blame the Dukes of Hazard.
I mean, there is definitely something to that.
But I do have a problem with people that say it is part of their "heritage". Sure, they can say that, but it is part of their racist heritage, and they shouldn't be offended if we all say so. Since they don't want others to be offended by their stupid hate flag.
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We have been down this rabbit hole before.
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Michigan Militia. Plenty of nutjobs in the mitten and the UP.
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Michigan entering into partnership with other upper Midwest states. Michigan Senate with a bipartisan advisory committee looking for businesses that can reasonably be reopened. Most trying to figure out the right balance.
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Annnnnnnd... Michigan goes over 2000 deaths.
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Annnnnnnd... Michigan goes over 2000 deaths.
The racist traitors shoulda shot the damn coronavirus!
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If I thought an AR15 was the solution to the coronavirus, I would consider one.
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The Don't tread on me flags and the AR15s being carried on protestors backs were a nice touch, but I still will not paint with a broad brush. One of the most basic rights we have is to peacefully protest. They were exercising that right.
I agree 1000% about the right to protest. I remember having arguments with friends when I supported Westboro Baptist Church's right to protest. The fact that they were truly reprehensible human beings was a separate issue aside from their constitutional rights.
In my original post, nowhere did I question their right to protest. I questioned why they needed racist symbols and guns. Of course, it was rhetorical. We all know why they protested the way that they did.
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Michigan entering into partnership with other upper Midwest states. Michigan Senate with a bipartisan advisory committee looking for businesses that can reasonably be reopened. Most trying to figure out the right balance.
They're doing just like the Northeast and West Coast. A good deal. And bipartisan.
Someone is going to be irate.....
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I've seen two interviews of health care workers who couldn't get to their hospitals to help take care of patients due to the gridlock caused by the Guns & Rebel Flags (But We're Not Racists) Protest.
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Yup. Me vs we.
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Tweets to encourage unhealthy behavior just to hamstring 'that woman'. Somebody has his Depends in a twist.
JB may be right. But the riots aren't going to come from the direction he thought
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Not in Michigan, but I've noticed the last week that parking lots at stores, and fast-food/restaurants are starting to be more packed.
2-weeks ago, a Walmart or Grocery store would have had a handful of cars in the parking lot and more employees than customers in the store. This week, places look like pre-pandemic level business. Similarly, lots of people playing basketball, or soccer/cricket in the local parks.
So people are getting antsy and starting to not comply.
A follow up to this. For around a week we were seeing declining cases, got down to only 1-2 new cases in my city each day.
Now, about a week after I noticed this change in behavior, we are seeing 5-7 new cases a day again. Hopefully it doesn't continue to take off. People seem to continue to be less vigilant in their behavior.
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How do you think all these mouth breathers are going to feel in a month when half of them are sick and start showing up at hospitals?
Cases up outstate the last couple days. Highest day yet for new cases in my county. I am guessing they are going to hope they can keep breathing so they can own the libs.
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2468 dead. Approaching 35k cases. I am now part of the problem as I chose to golf at a course that decided to open. Huge number of provisos and prohibitions and walking only. Worth it. Until I find I caught it and it kills me.
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2468 dead. Approaching 35k cases. I am now part of the problem as I chose to golf at a course that decided to open. Huge number of provisos and prohibitions and walking only. Worth it. Until I find I caught it and it kills me.
You'll be fine after a visit to the golf course.
Only "protesters" are susceptible.
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2468 dead. Approaching 35k cases. I am now part of the problem as I chose to golf at a course that decided to open. Huge number of provisos and prohibitions and walking only. Worth it. Until I find I caught it and it kills me.
I'm sure you will take solace in the fact you died excercising your Constitutional rights.
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Well, I died exercising. Or I may die from the butt-chewing I am receiving from my wife.
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Just went to an Ace Hardware and picked up paint, gardening supplies, seeds, tools, building supplies. Did the order on line, stood in line for 10 minutes, walked in, was handed my stuff.
DON'T BELIEVE THE WHACKADOODLE TALKING POINTS.
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8 days after the protests, new cases in my metropolitan era continue to increase. I am sure there is no causality there.
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https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/04/22/secretary-army-tcf-field-hospital-tour-praises-detroit-michigan-covid-response/3004810001/
Secretary of the Army is a big fan of how rapidly and aggressively Governor Gretchen responded. He will probably be chastised for that soon.
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https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/04/22/secretary-army-tcf-field-hospital-tour-praises-detroit-michigan-covid-response/3004810001/
Secretary of the Army is a big fan of how rapidly and aggressively Governor Gretchen responded. He will probably be chastised for that soon.
I've said from the start that these governors are the heroes and they will be the ones who save this country.
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LIBERATE MICHIGAN! LIBERATE MINNESOTA! LIBERATE VIRGINIA! (But disagree with Georgia for liberating too much too soon.)
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LIBERATE MICHIGAN! LIBERATE MINNESOTA! LIBERATE VIRGINIA! (But disagree with Georgia for liberating too much too soon.)
Nads is back. ::) ::)
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Feeling a little jealous of Georgia right now.
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Nads is back.
I've been liberated!
Why should you and all the other kids get to have all the fun?
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Told today that an antibody test will not be available for first responders in our area for the foreseeable future. We have, forever, been moved up in line if we think we have the virus.
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https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/new-michigan-coronavirus-cases-up-again-highest-jump-in-9-days.html
Huge jump in cases. Hmmmmmm. What could have happened a week ago that might have led to a jump in cases?
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Shelter in place to be extended to May 15. Some easing. Landscaping, construction, other departments in big box stores. Masks when in an enclosed public building. Golf walking only. Etc.
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Statewide, the curve seems to be flattening. Locally, the cases are spiking. Meat packing plants, homeless populations, and yes, some of the protestors. A flophouse motel up the street with no medical oversight has seen a large increase in the last week. And there is still no test for antibodies a available for first responders in my area, but if I show symptoms I can schedule a test 72 hours out.
Open it up!
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/27/healthcare-investigation-dmc-covid-19-healthcare-workers-deaths/3021420001/
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So apparently the "LIBERATE" protestors in Michigan are now inside the state capitol, and some of them are armed and walking around the gallery of the state senate while it is in session.
All so very normal.
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So apparently the "LIBERATE" protestors in Michigan are now inside the state capitol, and some of them are armed and walking around the gallery of the state senate while it is in session.
All so very normal.
https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=20
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1255948276508930048?s=20
I wonder if any of these gents worked for Blackwater under Sec DeVos' brother?
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Some state senators donned bulletproof vests.
From all of the pictures I've, seen, it look like an awful lot of white guys doin' the protesting. There is some good news here, though. Most do not appear to be wearing masks. Hopefully, they will carry the virus back to their next white militia meeting.
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So apparently the "LIBERATE" protestors in Michigan are now inside the state capitol, and some of them are armed and walking around the gallery of the state senate while it is in session.
All so very normal.
They just want to buy seeds and fish in a motorized boat, man.
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Some state senators donned bulletproof vests.
From all of the pictures I've, seen, it look like an awful lot of white guys doin' the protesting. There is some good news here, though. Most do not appear to be wearing masks. Hopefully, they will carry the virus back to their next white militia meeting.
Post of the day.
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Just looked at some pictures. That is a bad look.
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Gun weilding lunatics with their faces covered all around the capital. What is even the point of the guns? In what scenario are these people forming battle lines and shooting? Who tf are they shooting at? Police? National guard? Is it just some scare tactic for the governer? In what possible scenario are these people shooting? Seems like a "hey were bad ass look at our guns" bullcrap. Everyone there agrees with them. Who are you potentially shooting?
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Gun weilding lunatics with their faces covered all around the capital. What is even the point of the guns? In what scenario are these people forming battle lines and shooting? Who tf are they shooting at? Police? National guard? Is it just some scare tactic for the governer? In what possible scenario are these people shooting? Seems like a "hey were bad ass look at our guns" bullcrap. Everyone there agrees with them. Who are you potentially shooting?
The guns are meant to intimidate... to terrorize. They're a spectacle so that foolish young people can look at these guys and think how, 'badass' they look. They're a recruitment tool.
Realistically, these folks are cowards. They aren't the good guys with guns. They breed folks like Tim McVeigh, and should be ridiculed mercilessly.
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Wonder whether a bunch of Black Lives Matter protesters storming a state capitol building armed with AR-15s would have been met with such restraint.
(It's a rhetorical question, obviously)
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Much like I have asked for regarding the federal response, I will ask for this now. Somebody make a case that carrying AR-15's into a state capital to argue your freedoms are being restricted makes sense.
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Much like I have asked for regarding the federal response, I will ask for this now. Somebody make a case that carrying AR-15's into a state capital to argue your freedoms are being restricted makes sense.
Well, it gets coverage. Makes you look like a jagoff, but it definitely gets you coverage.
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The guns are meant to intimidate... to terrorize. They're a spectacle so that foolish young people can look at these guys and think how, 'badass' they look. They're a recruitment tool.
Realistically, these folks are cowards. They aren't the good guys with guns. They breed folks like Tim McVeigh, and should be ridiculed mercilessly.
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Spot on. An implied threat of violence. They were terrorists, plain and simple, and should have been treated as such.
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File this under “is anyone surprised”.
Trump today called the armed terrorists “very good people” and stated that Gov. Whitmer should meet with them give in to some of their demands.
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File this under “is anyone surprised”.
Trump today called the armed terrorists “very good people” and stated that Gov. Whitmer should meet with them give in to some of their demands.
Funny that he doesn't have this attitude when he's throwing out protestors from his rallies.
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Whitmer calls yesterday 'political theater'. Says she will continue to engage with epidemiologists, scientists, business and labor leaders to look for ways to open the state as safely as possible. Invites constructive ideas and input.
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Whitmer calls yesterday 'political theater'. Says she will continue to engage with epidemiologists, scientists, business and labor leaders to look for ways to open the state as safely as possible. Invites constructive ideas and input.
Other than Iowa, midwestern govs have done a very nice job so far.
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Republican Senate Majority leader called those using intimidation and threats of violence 'a bunch of jackasses' who hurt the cause of those who might want to make a reasoned argument. Good for him.
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Republican Senate Majority leader called those using intimidation and threats of violence 'a bunch of jackasses' who hurt the cause of those who might want to make a reasoned argument. Good for him.
+1
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Republican Senate Majority leader called those using intimidation and threats of violence 'a bunch of jackasses' who hurt the cause of those who might want to make a reasoned argument. Good for him.
Too bad leaders on the left never rebuke their own.
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Too bad leaders on the left never rebuke their own.
ROFL. The left tends to be a circular firing squad.
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Too bad leaders on the left never rebuke their own.
Too bad people on the right don't pay attention.
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ROFL. The left tends to be a circular firing squad.
^ This
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Sheriff Clarke was one of the terrorists yesterday.
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https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/05/michigan-postal-worker-with-suspected-coronavirus-dies-weeks-before-retirement.html
LCD Dutchman, postal worker dies of suspected coronavirus.
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https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/05/michigan-postal-worker-with-suspected-coronavirus-dies-weeks-before-retirement.html
LCD Dutchman, postal worker dies of suspected coronavirus.
Heavy handed topper, locking threads again. 8-)
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It is even killing nuns in Michigan. That is cold.
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Numbers improving slightly.
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Multiple proposals to limit the governor's power. Apparently, some people want a governor to respond to a pandemic like Snyder responded to the poison water crisis in Flint.
Maybe Flint residents should have stormed the capital carrying AR15s. File that away for next time.
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Multiple proposals to limit the governor's power. Apparently, some people want a governor to respond to a pandemic like Snyder responded to the poison water crisis in Flint.
Maybe Flint residents should have stormed the capital carrying AR15s. File that away for next time.
I'm sure black people carrying around AR15s are going to be viewed as freedom fighters as well.
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I am thinking the reaction to that would be somewhat different.
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I am thinking the reaction to that would be somewhat different.
Yeah, it's kind of like the reaction to the two white terrorists who gunned down Ahmaud Arbery ...
I wonder if it would have taken 2 months for charges to be filed in Georgia if the shooters had been two black guys and the victim had been white.
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It is raining like hell in Lansing right now, so social distancing is being practiced due to umbrella spans.
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It is raining like hell in Lansing right now, so social distancing is being practiced due to umbrella spans.
When I lived in Lansing it seemed like everyone social distanced 24/7. I lived a few blocks from the capital and it was frequently a ghost town.
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The week after Valentine's day, the chief of my department (who went to MU in 83-84 but flunked out after, as he puts it after a couple of drinks 'majoring in the Avalanche') looked at the data coming in and formed a task force. He told the deputy and the others on the task force that this looks like it is going to be a problem and get your hand on all of the PPE you can. And start making plans about what we can cancel and what staffing will look like based on % of our members who have the COVID. Figure out what our policies are going to be. Start working on where we will house our members in quarantine if they don't want to quarantine at home.
Third week in February.
Chief in a medium large midwest city.
Read the data.
So they went to work. One thing about firefighters, when given a task they know how to organize, plan, acquire resources, and measure and be accountable for their outcomes.
Policies changed the first week of March, before the shutdowns. No more installing smoke detectors in people's house for them. No more multi-company training. Taking temperature each day when you get to work. Plenty of PPE. Never going outside without a mask while on duty. No more tours of the stations. No more neighborhood gatherings. Wearing additional PPE on every medical call. Embraced by our workforce. Vacations cancelled. Traveling for training cancelled. Sick leave usage dropped through the floor. City manager actually joining our morning skype meetings to commend us for how much our overtime budget has dropped over the last two months. Cleaning and disinfecting all surfaces every day. Actually put together crews to go talk to and work with the homeless about social distancing, masks, and attempting to pay more attention to hygiene. Brainstormed with local agencies to find places to get the homeless tested and placed in isolation. Tough to do because some just walk away when they are surrounded by 4 walls for too long. And when the local health department tried to shut us out of both data and testing, the chief walked in and started pounding the table and we got good data and finally got department wide testing last week.
We embraced it all. And kept fighting fires, and taking care of sick people and running on COVID patients and cleaning up car wrecks and running all of the calls we always ran.
So far, we have not had a single firefighter in my department test positive. Whole department got tested last week, 200 negatives. While our community has had a normal amount of infections and deaths, we have not had a single positive test.
I don't believe that will continue indefinitely. Eventually, the isolation is going to get to somebody who is going to go to a bar or a party and is going to get infected and bring it back to the station house. Then we will start implementing the policies and protocols that are a complete pain in the arse, but necessary.
But my point is this. I know what leadership looks like. I know what doing it right every bleeping time looks like and what it can accomplish. I know what holding myself accountable, holding my peers accountable, and having them hold me accountable. And I hold in contempt anybody trying to make excuses for lack of leadership or arguing against doing what they know in their hearts to be the right thing. I am weary of those who are all about 'me' at the expense of 'we'.
Grow the F up. This isn't over. It isn't going to be for a while. Wear your damn mask and wash your damn hands and think about the effect your laziness and narcissism can have on others.
And think about how the micro lessons of my department could have been macro lessons for society. If the virus had been taken seriously from the beginning and there had been actual leadership and direction.
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https://www.mlive.com/grand-rapids-muskegon/
Pure class.
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https://www.mlive.com/grand-rapids-muskegon/
Pure class.
Gross. Pure Mittenchigan.
You guys should just cede the UP to WI. Seems like you have enough on your hands!
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tower, I salute your boss, good work.
That protest picture is horrifying.
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The week after Valentine's day, the chief of my department (who went to MU in 83-84 but flunked out after, as he puts it after a couple of drinks 'majoring in the Avalanche') looked at the data coming in and formed a task force. He told the deputy and the others on the task force that this looks like it is going to be a problem and get your hand on all of the PPE you can. And start making plans about what we can cancel and what staffing will look like based on % of our members who have the COVID. Figure out what our policies are going to be. Start working on where we will house our members in quarantine if they don't want to quarantine at home.
Third week in February.
Chief in a medium large midwest city.
Read the data.
So they went to work. One thing about firefighters, when given a task they know how to organize, plan, acquire resources, and measure and be accountable for their outcomes.
Policies changed the first week of March, before the shutdowns. No more installing smoke detectors in people's house for them. No more multi-company training. Taking temperature each day when you get to work. Plenty of PPE. Never going outside without a mask while on duty. No more tours of the stations. No more neighborhood gatherings. Wearing additional PPE on every medical call. Embraced by our workforce. Vacations cancelled. Traveling for training cancelled. Sick leave usage dropped through the floor. City manager actually joining our morning skype meetings to commend us for how much our overtime budget has dropped over the last two months. Cleaning and disinfecting all surfaces every day. Actually put together crews to go talk to and work with the homeless about social distancing, masks, and attempting to pay more attention to hygiene. Brainstormed with local agencies to find places to get the homeless tested and placed in isolation. Tough to do because some just walk away when they are surrounded by 4 walls for too long. And when the local health department tried to shut us out of both data and testing, the chief walked in and started pounding the table and we got good data and finally got department wide testing last week.
We embraced it all. And kept fighting fires, and taking care of sick people and running on COVID patients and cleaning up car wrecks and running all of the calls we always ran.
So far, we have not had a single firefighter in my department test positive. Whole department got tested last week, 200 negatives. While our community has had a normal amount of infections and deaths, we have not had a single positive test.
I don't believe that will continue indefinitely. Eventually, the isolation is going to get to somebody who is going to go to a bar or a party and is going to get infected and bring it back to the station house. Then we will start implementing the policies and protocols that are a complete pain in the arse, but necessary.
But my point is this. I know what leadership looks like. I know what doing it right every bleeping time looks like and what it can accomplish. I know what holding myself accountable, holding my peers accountable, and having them hold me accountable. And I hold in contempt anybody trying to make excuses for lack of leadership or arguing against doing what they know in their hearts to be the right thing. I am weary of those who are all about 'me' at the expense of 'we'.
Grow the F up. This isn't over. It isn't going to be for a while. Wear your damn mask and wash your damn hands and think about the effect your laziness and narcissism can have on others.
And think about how the micro lessons of my department could have been macro lessons for society. If the virus had been taken seriously from the beginning and there had been actual leadership and direction.
Crash would be proud. 8-)
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Gross. Pure Mittenchigan.
You guys should just cede the UP to WI. Seems like you have enough on your hands!
Sorry, Hards. We don’t want ‘em.
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You can have the UP. The big problem then will be the maintenance of the bridge.
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Crash would be proud. 8-)
Funny story. My driver has two degrees from U of M. Engineering. Brain works too slow to be an officer. Currently has turned against AOC and Bernie, who he had been crushing on for the last 18 months, because they sold out and supported Biden. Every time Crash starts with his superiority complex, I get the giggles thinking about his brother Wolverine.
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Crash would be proud. 8-)
Wasn't crash the scooper who insulted and demeaned firefighters?
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It is his right to do so.
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It is his right to do so.
Sure sure. Just confirming.
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You can have the UP. The big problem then will be the maintenance of the bridge.
Chris Christie isn't busy these days. He could manage the bridge.
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Nice!
Jesmu84, West Michigan is the home of the Devos/Van Andel/Prince/ Secchia movement. The spiritual home of the neo conservative movement. Compared to a pervasive attitude of 'some' powerful influencers in this area, Crash's criticisms were the tiniest of mouse nuts.
But that is just my underachieving opinion.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/michigan-cancels-legislative-session-to-avoid-armed-protesters
Uh..what? Isn't this the DEFINITION of terrorism?
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/michigan-cancels-legislative-session-to-avoid-armed-protesters
Uh..what? Isn't this the DEFINITION of terrorism?
Um.... these are white people that you are talking about.
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UP and Northern Lower allowed to open up for Memorial Day Weekend. Restaurants and Bars at 50% capacity. I predict abundant conflict, as the desire for tourist money bumps into fear of outsiders bringing in the COVID.
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UP and Northern Lower allowed to open up for Memorial Day Weekend. Restaurants and Bars at 50% capacity. I predict abundant conflict, as the desire for tourist money bumps into fear of outsiders bringing in the COVID.
More conflict than the regular fudgie distaste? Ooo boy.
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UP and Northern Lower allowed to open up for Memorial Day Weekend. Restaurants and Bars at 50% capacity. I predict abundant conflict, as the desire for tourist money bumps into fear of outsiders bringing in the COVID.
If you were a betting man, what are the odds that Michigan (western, to be exact) is largely "back to normal" in early August.
Someone's got a deposit on a lake home hanging in the balance.
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You will enjoy your vacation. Unless the weather sucks. Or the lake levels continue to rise.
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The week after Valentine's day, the chief of my department (who went to MU in 83-84 but flunked out after, as he puts it after a couple of drinks 'majoring in the Avalanche') looked at the data coming in and formed a task force. He told the deputy and the others on the task force that this looks like it is going to be a problem and get your hand on all of the PPE you can. And start making plans about what we can cancel and what staffing will look like based on % of our members who have the COVID. Figure out what our policies are going to be. Start working on where we will house our members in quarantine if they don't want to quarantine at home.
Third week in February.
Chief in a medium large midwest city.
Read the data.
So they went to work. One thing about firefighters, when given a task they know how to organize, plan, acquire resources, and measure and be accountable for their outcomes.
Policies changed the first week of March, before the shutdowns. No more installing smoke detectors in people's house for them. No more multi-company training. Taking temperature each day when you get to work. Plenty of PPE. Never going outside without a mask while on duty. No more tours of the stations. No more neighborhood gatherings. Wearing additional PPE on every medical call. Embraced by our workforce. Vacations cancelled. Traveling for training cancelled. Sick leave usage dropped through the floor. City manager actually joining our morning skype meetings to commend us for how much our overtime budget has dropped over the last two months. Cleaning and disinfecting all surfaces every day. Actually put together crews to go talk to and work with the homeless about social distancing, masks, and attempting to pay more attention to hygiene. Brainstormed with local agencies to find places to get the homeless tested and placed in isolation. Tough to do because some just walk away when they are surrounded by 4 walls for too long. And when the local health department tried to shut us out of both data and testing, the chief walked in and started pounding the table and we got good data and finally got department wide testing last week.
We embraced it all. And kept fighting fires, and taking care of sick people and running on COVID patients and cleaning up car wrecks and running all of the calls we always ran.
So far, we have not had a single firefighter in my department test positive. Whole department got tested last week, 200 negatives. While our community has had a normal amount of infections and deaths, we have not had a single positive test.
I don't believe that will continue indefinitely. Eventually, the isolation is going to get to somebody who is going to go to a bar or a party and is going to get infected and bring it back to the station house. Then we will start implementing the policies and protocols that are a complete pain in the arse, but necessary.
But my point is this. I know what leadership looks like. I know what doing it right every bleeping time looks like and what it can accomplish. I know what holding myself accountable, holding my peers accountable, and having them hold me accountable. And I hold in contempt anybody trying to make excuses for lack of leadership or arguing against doing what they know in their hearts to be the right thing. I am weary of those who are all about 'me' at the expense of 'we'.
Grow the F up. This isn't over. It isn't going to be for a while. Wear your damn mask and wash your damn hands and think about the effect your laziness and narcissism can have on others.
And think about how the micro lessons of my department could have been macro lessons for society. If the virus had been taken seriously from the beginning and there had been actual leadership and direction.
Somehow I missed this the day you posted it. That was amazing to read, tower.
Congratulations to everybody involved. This should be required reading for everybody with political power, though the guy at the top will need to have somebody read it to him.
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Multiple dams breached up river from Midland. Downtown under 9 feet of water by morning. Because we needed more challenges.
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Multiple dams breached up river from Midland. Downtown under 9 feet of water by morning. Because we needed more challenges.
Was wondering about. The Weather Channel App gave me a notification this morning about it
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Multiple dams breached up river from Midland. Downtown under 9 feet of water by morning. Because we needed more challenges.
What a horrible disaster. Have a co-worker 30 miles or so down river south of Saginaw. She's worried about the dams further down the line giving way too.
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Quarantining in place no longer an option for 10k. Empty schools being used for emergency shelters. A helluva conundrum. And how much PPE does the National Guard have. FWIW, we have sent members of our dive and search & rescue teams over with a spare boat.
Ironically may keep crowds down in Northern lower Michigan and the UP.
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Quarantining in place no longer an option for 10k. Empty schools being used for emergency shelters. A helluva conundrum. And how much PPE does the National Guard have. FWIW, we have sent members of our dive and search & rescue teams over with a spare boat.
Ironically may keep crowds down in Northern lower Michigan and the UP.
Sadly, the Criminal-in-Chief is threatening to take away all funding for Michigan at a time when it is needed most.
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Unrelated. Based on wrong information and an incompetent understanding of both the law and what the Michigan AG is doing. Tweeting out of his buttocks. Also known as Wednesday.
He needs Michigan. Withholding funding after historic flooding is not politically prudent. So, when he visits in 24 hours, he will come promising aid. Also known as Thursday.
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Unrelated. Based on wrong information and an incompetent understanding of both the law and what the Michigan AG is doing. Tweeting out of his buttocks. Also known as Wednesday.
He needs Michigan. Withholding funding after historic flooding is not politically prudent. So, when he visits in 24 hours, he will come promising aid. Also known as Thursday.
Trump is threatening to harm citizens of Michigan because their elected officials are making it easier to vote.
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1263110502898524161?s=19
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Quarantining in place no longer an option for 10k. Empty schools being used for emergency shelters. A helluva conundrum. And how much PPE does the National Guard have. FWIW, we have sent members of our dive and search & rescue teams over with a spare boat.
Ironically may keep crowds down in Northern lower Michigan and the UP.
This will likely happen somewhere in the Southeast this summer, likely Florida, as they are predicting an above average hurricane season.
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The week after Valentine's day, the chief of my department (who went to MU in 83-84 but flunked out after, as he puts it after a couple of drinks 'majoring in the Avalanche') looked at the data coming in and formed a task force. He told the deputy and the others on the task force that this looks like it is going to be a problem and get your hand on all of the PPE you can. And start making plans about what we can cancel and what staffing will look like based on % of our members who have the COVID. Figure out what our policies are going to be. Start working on where we will house our members in quarantine if they don't want to quarantine at home.
Third week in February.
Chief in a medium large midwest city.
Read the data.
So they went to work. One thing about firefighters, when given a task they know how to organize, plan, acquire resources, and measure and be accountable for their outcomes.
Policies changed the first week of March, before the shutdowns. No more installing smoke detectors in people's house for them. No more multi-company training. Taking temperature each day when you get to work. Plenty of PPE. Never going outside without a mask while on duty. No more tours of the stations. No more neighborhood gatherings. Wearing additional PPE on every medical call. Embraced by our workforce. Vacations cancelled. Traveling for training cancelled. Sick leave usage dropped through the floor. City manager actually joining our morning skype meetings to commend us for how much our overtime budget has dropped over the last two months. Cleaning and disinfecting all surfaces every day. Actually put together crews to go talk to and work with the homeless about social distancing, masks, and attempting to pay more attention to hygiene. Brainstormed with local agencies to find places to get the homeless tested and placed in isolation. Tough to do because some just walk away when they are surrounded by 4 walls for too long. And when the local health department tried to shut us out of both data and testing, the chief walked in and started pounding the table and we got good data and finally got department wide testing last week.
We embraced it all. And kept fighting fires, and taking care of sick people and running on COVID patients and cleaning up car wrecks and running all of the calls we always ran.
So far, we have not had a single firefighter in my department test positive. Whole department got tested last week, 200 negatives. While our community has had a normal amount of infections and deaths, we have not had a single positive test.
I don't believe that will continue indefinitely. Eventually, the isolation is going to get to somebody who is going to go to a bar or a party and is going to get infected and bring it back to the station house. Then we will start implementing the policies and protocols that are a complete pain in the arse, but necessary.
But my point is this. I know what leadership looks like. I know what doing it right every bleeping time looks like and what it can accomplish. I know what holding myself accountable, holding my peers accountable, and having them hold me accountable. And I hold in contempt anybody trying to make excuses for lack of leadership or arguing against doing what they know in their hearts to be the right thing. I am weary of those who are all about 'me' at the expense of 'we'.
Grow the F up. This isn't over. It isn't going to be for a while. Wear your damn mask and wash your damn hands and think about the effect your laziness and narcissism can have on others.
And think about how the micro lessons of my department could have been macro lessons for society. If the virus had been taken seriously from the beginning and there had been actual leadership and direction.
Character revealed indeed. Excellent post.
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Trump is threatening to harm citizens of Michigan because their elected officials are making it easier to vote.
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1263110502898524161?s=19
Hey, it's just exactly what Obama did when New Jersey needed aid after Hurricane Sandy.
Only kidding.
Chris Christie was so grateful that the president actually did his job and handled the situation with compassion and empathy, that Christie hugged him ... a hug that all but ended Christie's political career.
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Hey, it's just exactly what Obama did when New Jersey needed aid after Hurricane Sandy.
Only kidding.
Chris Christie was so grateful that the president actually did his job and handled the situation with compassion and empathy, that Christie hugged him ... a hug that all but ended Christie's political career.
Wasn't that when Cruz, after taking hurricane relief for Texas, tried to stop hurricane relief for NJ?
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Wasn't that when Cruz, after taking hurricane relief for Texas, tried to stop hurricane relief for NJ?
Yep. And Christie called him out on it, came right out and called him a liar.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/31/fact-check-ted-cruz-wrong-hurricane-sandy-relief/619809001/
Trump isn't often right, but he was right about "Lyin' Ted." Of course, that was the pot calling the kettle orange, but it was still true.
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Y'all are unhinged. Yuck it up now, cry in yo beer later, hey?
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Y'all are unhinged. Yuck it up now, cry in yo beer later, hey?
So did POTUS threaten the state of Michigan by withholding govt aid, for doing some that is legal, that also Republican led admins did in states like Georgia, Iowa, Nebraska, and West Virginia? That also, RNC Chair, Ronna Romney, errr McDaniel also say she has no problem with.
I dare you to answer.
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So did POTUS threaten the state of Michigan by withholding govt aid, for doing some that is legal, that also Republican led admins did in states like Georgia, Iowa, Nebraska, and West Virginia? That also, RNC Chair, Ronna Romney, errr McDaniel also say she has no problem with.
I dare you to answer.
Hell, he threatened them for doing something that HE did in the last primary!
But yeah ... it's everybody else who is unhinged.
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POTUS spoke to Big Gretch today. May detour up to Midland during his state visit. Offered help from FEMA and other federal aid. Like I said, he needs Michigan. It would be political suicide to withhold federal assistance.
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Northern Michigan story. Had a house rented for the week after Memorial day to go fishing, an annual event. We go again end of June. Renter called me on Monday saying he had been to his rental over the weekend and told his neighbor that we would be his first renters of the year and arriving on the 31st. Said his neighbor got in his face and berated him for 30 minutes about social irresponsibity and that Trump was going to kill us all. He was calling to apologize and tell me he was pulling the rental until things cooled down. I told him i was sorry as he has a gorgeous place on the water with ample parking for trucks n rigs n sleeps 14 and that i assume he could use the income. He apologized profusely. I found something in minutes on VRBO. Trip still a go.
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There is going to be that push-pull dynamic in lots of places for a while. Mackinac Island announced that it isn't opening this weekend. A small town just north of here is having a 'freedom festival' and most of the businesses are opening up ahead of the lifting of the shelter in place order.
Polls are showing most people are afraid of hotels and airplanes. It is going to be a slow go even when everything is officially opened up.
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POTUS spoke to Big Gretch today. May detour up to Midland during his state visit. Offered help from FEMA and other federal aid. Like I said, he needs Michigan. It would be political suicide to withhold federal assistance.
Yep. And every poll taken there, including one just out this week, shows that Whitmer is significantly more popular than Trump.
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Good news is Trump was Michigan’s Man of the Year a number of times so he’s got it locked up.
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POTUS spoke to Big Gretch today. May detour up to Midland during his state visit. Offered help from FEMA and other federal aid. Like I said, he needs Michigan. It would be political suicide to withhold federal assistance.
Ford workers heard clearly shouting "A**hole!" at him during his visit yesterday.
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Ford workers heard clearly shouting "A**hole!" at him during his visit yesterday.
Link? Because I searched and can't find that anywhere.
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Link? Because I searched and can't find that anywhere.
https://twitter.com/bblock29/status/1263563351059238920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1263563351059238920%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2020%2F5%2F22%2F1946767%2F-Abbreviated-Pundit-Round-up-Politics-and-the-pandemic-as-Trump-falls-behind-Biden
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https://twitter.com/bblock29/status/1263563351059238920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1263563351059238920%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2020%2F5%2F22%2F1946767%2F-Abbreviated-Pundit-Round-up-Politics-and-the-pandemic-as-Trump-falls-behind-Biden
That's just a photo, kin. And an obviously TDS twatter account. Hell, she admits she added the pretty boy part 2 posts down.
Intellectual dishonesty, straw man, red herring, lies.
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That's just a photo, kin. And an obviously TDS twatter account. Hell, she admits she added the pretty boy part 2 posts down.
Intellectual dishonesty, straw man, red herring, lies.
Agree. What does TDS stand for?
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Agree. What does TDS stand for?
Trump Derangement Syndrome
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Trump Derangement Syndrome
o7
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I need better than that.
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The hell is going on in Michigan, tower?
BAY CITY, Mich. – A Michigan man devised a plan to steal a helicopter from the Coast Guard in order to attack a police station and shooting up a hospital to disrupt the power and free the coronavirus (COVID-19) patients, authorities said.
Jesse Theodore McFadden, 70, is accused of calling Arenac County dispatchers around 8 a.m. Sunday to say he was on his way to the United States Coast Guard Station in Bay City, Michigan, to steal a helicopter, according to officials.
Plan to free COVID-19 patients
McFadden told dispatchers the helicopter would further his plan to attack a police station and shoot up a hospital, court records show.
He wanted to disrupt the power to the hospital, unlock the doors and release patients under COVID-19 quarantine, officials said.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/22/michigan-man-plans-to-steal-helicopter-for-hospital-attack-to-free-covid-19-patients-police-say/?outputType=amp
The mug shot is impressive
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The hell is going on in Michigan, tower?
BAY CITY, Mich. – A Michigan man devised a plan to steal a helicopter from the Coast Guard in order to attack a police station and shooting up a hospital to disrupt the power and free the coronavirus (COVID-19) patients, authorities said.
Jesse Theodore McFadden, 70, is accused of calling Arenac County dispatchers around 8 a.m. Sunday to say he was on his way to the United States Coast Guard Station in Bay City, Michigan, to steal a helicopter, according to officials.
Plan to free COVID-19 patients
McFadden told dispatchers the helicopter would further his plan to attack a police station and shoot up a hospital, court records show.
He wanted to disrupt the power to the hospital, unlock the doors and release patients under COVID-19 quarantine, officials said.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/22/michigan-man-plans-to-steal-helicopter-for-hospital-attack-to-free-covid-19-patients-police-say/?outputType=amp
The mug shot is impressive
Meth and 5G waves screwing with his brain.
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Michigan has had a subset of over the top crazy forever. Go back 30 years to the Michigan Militia. Following in a long traditional of whackadoodle. He was probably in Lansing with an AR15.
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Michigan has had a subset of over the top crazy forever. Go back 30 years to the Michigan Militia. Following in a long traditional of whackadoodle. He was probably in Lansing with an AR15.
He ordered a BMT from subway, which shows poor choices in general.
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The hell is going on in Michigan, tower?
BAY CITY, Mich. – A Michigan man devised a plan to steal a helicopter from the Coast Guard in order to attack a police station and shooting up a hospital to disrupt the power and free the coronavirus (COVID-19) patients, authorities said.
Jesse Theodore McFadden, 70, is accused of calling Arenac County dispatchers around 8 a.m. Sunday to say he was on his way to the United States Coast Guard Station in Bay City, Michigan, to steal a helicopter, according to officials.
Plan to free COVID-19 patients
McFadden told dispatchers the helicopter would further his plan to attack a police station and shoot up a hospital, court records show.
He wanted to disrupt the power to the hospital, unlock the doors and release patients under COVID-19 quarantine, officials said.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/22/michigan-man-plans-to-steal-helicopter-for-hospital-attack-to-free-covid-19-patients-police-say/?outputType=amp
The mug shot is impressive
Looking at this guy makes me think he didn't have many options in life. He went with the only people who would have anything to do with him.
1,000 to 1 odds that he would be an Incel if he was 40 years younger.
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Big Gretch extended the lockdown in MI to June 12th, detroit Free press is reporting.
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She did. Slow and cautious and driven by data.
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She did. Slow and cautious and driven by data.
Not trying to be snarky, what does the data have to show to lift the stay at home order?
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Not trying to be snarky, what does the data have to show to lift the stay at home order?
Check CDC guidelines.
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Ford workers heard clearly shouting "A**hole!" at him during his visit yesterday.
that clearly would have bumped joe bidens "you aint black" comment from CNN...wait, they barely mentioned uncle joe at all...well all the more for the tds segments including the one you make mention of. could you imagine if...nahhhh.
if it wasn't on cnn, trust me, it didn't happen unless they had something juicier like 2-1 scoops of ice cream err sumpin
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that clearly would have bumped joe bidens "you aint black" comment from CNN...wait, they barely mentioned uncle joe at all...well all the more for the tds segments including the one you make mention of. could you imagine if...nahhhh.
if it wasn't on cnn, trust me, it didn't happen unless they had something juicier like 2-1 scoops of ice cream err sumpin
You don’t have to watch CNN. You can watch OANN, Fox News, BBC, MSNBC or endless options on the inter webs. Hope that helps
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that clearly would have bumped joe bidens "you aint black" comment from CNN...wait, they barely mentioned uncle joe at all...well all the more for the tds segments including the one you make mention of. could you imagine if...nahhhh.
if it wasn't on cnn, trust me, it didn't happen unless they had something juicier like 2-1 scoops of ice cream err sumpin
“And I think any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat, I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty.”
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that clearly would have bumped joe bidens "you aint black" comment from CNN...wait, they barely mentioned uncle joe at all...well all the more for the tds segments including the one you make mention of. could you imagine if...nahhhh.
if it wasn't on cnn, trust me, it didn't happen unless they had something juicier like 2-1 scoops of ice cream err sumpin
Can you answer my earlier questions, please?
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that clearly would have bumped joe bidens "you aint black" comment from CNN...wait, they barely mentioned uncle joe at all...well all the more for the tds segments including the one you make mention of. could you imagine if...nahhhh.
if it wasn't on cnn, trust me, it didn't happen unless they had something juicier like 2-1 scoops of ice cream err sumpin
officially off the rails err sumpin
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that clearly would have bumped joe bidens "you aint black" comment from CNN...wait, they barely mentioned uncle joe at all...well all the more for the tds segments including the one you make mention of. could you imagine if...nahhhh.
if it wasn't on cnn, trust me, it didn't happen unless they had something juicier like 2-1 scoops of ice cream err sumpin
Some people can watch a story once and understand what happened, some need it beat into their head for hours and days before they consider it 'news'
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that clearly would have bumped joe bidens "you aint black" comment from CNN...wait, they barely mentioned uncle joe at all...well all the more for the tds segments including the one you make mention of. could you imagine if...nahhhh.
if it wasn't on cnn, trust me, it didn't happen unless they had something juicier like 2-1 scoops of ice cream err sumpin
Joe has said some stupid stuff and will say more stupid stuff. This was stupid stuff. Compared to Trump tweets, however, this is mouse nuts.
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Michigan governor's husband in some hot water playing the I am married to the Governor card to get the family boat out over Memorial Day weekend. Another do as I say, not as I do from these politicians. Why do they wonder if so many citizens aren't following their orders when they don't themselves?
https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/michigan-governors-husband-pleaded-boat-water-70882659
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Michigan governor's husband in some hot water playing the I am married to the Governor card to get the family boat out over Memorial Day weekend. Another do as I say, not as I do from these politicians. Why do they wonder if so many citizens aren't following their orders when they don't themselves?
https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/michigan-governors-husband-pleaded-boat-water-70882659
Oh, Cheeks, as with the Pritzker construction story you wrongly tried to pass off as a case of hypocrisy, what occurred here was in no way in violation of the state's orders or guidelines.
People in Michigan are allowed to boat and travel to vacation homes. Nobody is "in hot water."
And, us usual, it would be useful if you would read the links you post here.
From the story:
"NorthShore Dock subsequently said on Facebook that Mallory was respectful and understood why the company couldn’t immediately get his boat in the water, the News reported."
"The governor has lifted restrictions on Michigan residents traveling to second homes or taking a road trip."
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So again a non elected official did something that wasn't what the elected official encouraged, nor did it necessarily mean that the elected official was doing it themselves but people are blaming the elected official. Ok.
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So, according to the business that took the call... an employee came to the owner/manager and said there was a man on hold that the O/M needed to talk to. The man on the phone asked if it would be possible to get his boat in the water before Memorial Day. The O/M said that they were three weeks behind, that there was no way he could get it done. The man on the phone asked if it mattered that he was the husband of the governor. The O/M said no and said the caller took the rejection politely and did not pursue it.
Tacky, but no scandal. And it hasn't been confirmed that the person on the phone WAS the husband of the governor or just claimed to be. But the R's will pursue it because they are desperate.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/25/purported-northern-michigan-boat-request-fuels-controversy-gretchen-whitmer/5254889002/
Detroit News is the more conservative of the Detroit Papers. They quote the original facebook poster as saying the caller was respectful. And then the R politicians trying to wind it up.
Hell, the original poster even got a shot in at the governor. The boat didn't get put in.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/26/whitmer-cottage-boat-dock-marc-mallory-senator-coverup-barrett/5257672002/
Sigh. Cheeks gotta cheek.
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Tacky, but no scandal.
Yes. The Gov's husband name-dropping in hopes of better/faster service is stupid, but clearly nothing wrong was done here in relation to coronavirus-related restrictions.
Efforts to paint this as the governor not abiding by her own order are plainly false.
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https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-health-officials-call-self-111125776.html
I am way more concerned about stupid crap like this than I am about the spouse of the governor thinking that name dropping actually impresses anybody.
Update:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/26/whitmer-husband-boat-launch-marc-mallory/5259644002/
Dentist goes for laugh. Fails. Wife seriously ticked at him. Should make him a hero to 'some people'.
https://www.woodtv.com/video/whitmer-addresses-reports-of-husbands-call-to-dock/5538010/
Governor Whitmer addresses it.
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Michigan governor's husband in some hot water playing the I am married to the Governor card to get the family boat out over Memorial Day weekend. Another do as I say, not as I do from these politicians. Why do they wonder if so many citizens aren't following their orders when they don't themselves?
https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/michigan-governors-husband-pleaded-boat-water-70882659
So what did he do that the Governor has said he shouldn't do?
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Biden uses the n-word!
https://www.ebay.com/b/Mickey-Mouse-Watches/14324/bn_7000878619
Oh wait ... now that I look more closely, it was just an eBay listing for Mickey Mouse watches. I guess next time I actually should read the link I post.
Sincerely,
WD/Cheeks/chicos/Jams/hoopaloop
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So what did he do that the Governor has said he shouldn't do?
Nothing. Businesses up north were opening. I am sure the O/M was inundated. The dentist was just gauche enough to name drop and try to move up in the queue. He says now he was joking. I am ambivalent about believing that. But I do believe the original poster who said that the caller didn't push it and took rejection politely.
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Nothing. Businesses up north were opening. I am sure the O/M was inundated. The dentist was just gauche enough to name drop and try to move up in the queue. He says now he was joking. I am ambivalent about believing that. But I do believe the original poster who said that the caller didn't push it and took rejection politely.
Oh.
OP seemed to imply this has something to do with shutting down/Covid/restrictions.
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Joe has said some stupid stuff and will say more stupid stuff. This was stupid stuff. Compared to Trump tweets, however, this is mouse nuts.
Whataboutism, Tower. Works both ways.
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No, Lenny. I acknowledge the flaws of both candidates. Whataboutism uses the flaws of the other to deflect and defend whichever you are defending. However, in an objective comparison, it isn't close.
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Oh, Cheeks, as with the Pritzker construction story you wrongly tried to pass off as a case of hypocrisy, what occurred here was in no way in violation of the state's orders or guidelines.
People in Michigan are allowed to boat and travel to vacation homes. Nobody is "in hot water."
And, us usual, it would be useful if you would read the links you post here.
From the story:
"NorthShore Dock subsequently said on Facebook that Mallory was respectful and understood why the company couldn’t immediately get his boat in the water, the News reported."
"The governor has lifted restrictions on Michigan residents traveling to second homes or taking a road trip."
Again, I am not cheeks.
I did not say it violated the order, why are you misrepresenting what I said? The Governors have asked people to do certain things, the politicians are doing something else. If it was not a big deal, why did the governor of Michigan address it and call out her husband for not being very funny as he was supposedly joking to get to the front of the line for the boat?
It is about optics. When a leader says please don't go to the beach and we prefer you stay at home, but your political family is going - the followup complaints by these leaders that people aren't staying at home falls on deaf ears.
These leaders are starting to lift restrictions and at the same time asking people to stay at home (but we won't enforce it). When people don't stay at home, they start wagging their finger all while their families are doing the same thing.
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Again, I am not cheeks.
I am not Chicos.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/us/indiana-michigan-coronavirus-billboards-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/us/indiana-michigan-coronavirus-billboards-trnd/index.html)
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200527141535-01-indianna-billboard-exlarge-169.jpg)
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Michigan stay at home order lifted. Groups of up to 100 allowed outdoors. Seems like we are on our way out of this thing!
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Michigan stay at home order lifted. Groups of up to 100 allowed outdoors. Seems like we are on our way out of this thing!
On our way out of the lockdown- not on the way out of Covid.
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Driven by data.
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Big Gretch recall effort underway.
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Big Gretch recall effort underway.
Unless things have changed dramatically, a significant majority of Michiganders approve of Whitmer's response to the pandemic.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/20/republican-men-views-coronavirus/5227671002/
Now, that poll was taken in mid-May, so several weeks have passed. You'd know better than the rest of us would, tower.
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Big Gretch recall effort underway.
sounds like big retch got a little heavy with karl the barber and that ain't going over too well
https://deadline.com/2020/06/michigan-supreme-court-rules-barber-had-right-to-work-1202952887/
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Unless things have changed dramatically, a significant majority of Michiganders approve of Whitmer's response to the pandemic.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/20/republican-men-views-coronavirus/5227671002/
Now, that poll was taken in mid-May, so several weeks have passed. You'd know better than the rest of us would, tower.
The polling hasn't changed.
All salons have been closed since March. The old man made it personal and won a now meaningless case. Yay? His barbershop is all he had and I get it. But honestly, I think he's a d!ck. If he had been my barber, he would now be my former barber.
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sounds like big retch got a little heavy with karl the barber and that ain't going over too well
https://deadline.com/2020/06/michigan-supreme-court-rules-barber-had-right-to-work-1202952887/
Yeah ... I'll rely on the polling, and on tower's on-the-ground reporting, before I use one-off anecdotes as "proof" of something.
At last count, your emperor was about half as popular in Michigan as "big retch."
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https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2020/05/20/new-poll-shows-strong-support-for-michigan-gov-whitmers-handling-of-covid-19-pandemic/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/07/biden-doubles-lead-over-trump-in-michigan-new-poll-finds/#7d0df78b52c7
63% approve of Whitmer.
Biden up by 12%. But he is up by that much everywhere else, too....
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60, 000 cases. 5,772 deaths. Only 70 new case and 2 deaths in the last 24 hours. I like the Oxford study saying the quarantine in Michigan may have cut deaths by 90%.
Go, Big Gretch.
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60, 000 cases. 5,772 deaths. Only 70 new case and 2 deaths in the last 24 hours. I like the Oxford study saying the quarantine in Michigan may have cut deaths by 90%.
Go, Big Gretch.
Governors are/were vital with zero national leadership. Tens of thousands of lives saved by these brave leaders.
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Michigan one of 3 states currently considered to have currently contained COVID. Way to go, Big Gretch.
And kudos to the people of Michigan. Most of them did the work most of the time.
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Michigan one of 3 states currently considered to have currently contained COVID. Way to go, Big Gretch.
And kudos to the people of Michigan. Most of them did the work most of the time.
I hope they continue to do so for a while.
People in Wisconsin did the same, but I am starting to see cracks. Here in Racine, the vast majority are still employing social distance standards. However, when I go to my place up north, it is much different. Nearby water parks and hotels are crammed with non-mask wearing folks. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt us.
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I hope they continue to do so for a while.
People in Wisconsin did the same, but I am starting to see cracks. Here in Racine, the vast majority are still employing social distance standards. However, when I go to my place up north (red territory), it is much different. Nearby water parks and hotels are crammed with non-mask wearing folks. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt us.
Like the kids on Stranger Things, I call these folks "mouth-breathers."
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Like the kids on Stranger Things, I call these folks "mouth-breathers."
We're pretty much isolated, but we'll drive down to the Dells to check things out occasionally and it is as if Covid never happened.
We definitely avoid these mouth breathers. Most of the people in our area are pretty non-political and wear masks whenever it's necessary to go to the store. One couple is from Florida who never wear masks and makes fun of those who do. Needless to say, we have nothing to do with them.
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We're pretty much isolated, but we'll drive down to the Dells to check things out occasionally and it is as if Covid never happened.
We definitely avoid these mouth breathers. Most of the people in our area are pretty non-political and wear masks whenever it's necessary to go to the store. One couple is a pair of trump lovers from Florida who never wear masks and makes fun of those who do. Needless to say, we have nothing to do with them.
You are clearly more intelligent than these folks. After all, you follow the science. You are right to avoid them and their ilk.
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Jocky, you'll see I remove about 5 words total from your 2 posts (look at the diffs vs. those quoted). It actually makes them legitimate and not terribly divisive. Try to do this yourself in the future.
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Jocky, you'll see I remove about 5 words total from your 2 posts (look at the diffs vs. those quoted). It actually makes them legitimate and not terribly divisive. Try to do this yourself in the future.
Gracias, Rock.
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Spoke too soon. Cases bumped back up. Cannot let up on this stuff even for a second.
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Bars closed again. A bar in Lansing with 100+ cases tied to it last week. Bar in GR with 100% capacity and a bunch of 'whoo' girls. Probably through the end of the month. Big Gretch ain't having it.
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Bars closed again. A bar in Lansing with 100+ cases tied to it last week. Bar in GR with 100% capacity and a bunch of 'whoo' girls. Probably through the end of the month. Big Gretch ain't having it.
What is a 'whoo' girl? Asking for a friend.
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What is a 'whoo' girl? Asking for a friend.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/98e79402b22cf7248ea9a56b32b67da3/tenor.gif?itemid=5371579)
WOOOOO!
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What is a 'whoo' girl? Asking for a friend.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/10/ad/0710addd1cdee0aafbbb7deee9c09de4.gif)
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What is a 'whoo' girl? Asking for a friend.
Here's a solid profile:
Drinks of choice: mimosa, rose', frose', vodka cranberry, other cheap wine that tastes like juice. Plus sweet sugary shots
Previous titles from highschool/college: cheerleader, drill team, sorority girl.
Occupation: PR, social media manager, sales, customer service.
Typical bars: Basically your college bars for post college 20somethings
Coffee drinks: pumpkin spice late! Peppermint late! Also frappacinos
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(https://media1.tenor.com/images/98e79402b22cf7248ea9a56b32b67da3/tenor.gif?itemid=5371579)
WOOOOO!
This Gif is straight from the source, the episode of "How I Met Your Mother" in which the phrase was coined.
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Here's a solid profile:
Drinks of choice: mimosa, rose', frose', vodka cranberry, other cheap wine that tastes like juice. Plus sweet sugary shots
Previous titles from highschool/college: cheerleader, drill team, sorority girl.
Occupation: PR, social media manager, sales, customer service.
Typical bars: Basically your college bars for post college 20somethings
Coffee drinks: pumpkin spice late! Peppermint late! Then those absurdly sugary fruity iced coffee smoothie things from Starbucks
Also: has her Bachelorette party in the Nashville, not because she is that much of a country music fan, but she wants to buy some of those cute cowgirl boots while she is there.
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Also: has her Bachelorette party in the Nashville, not because she is that much of a country music fan, but she wants to buy some of those cute cowgirl boots while she is there.
Or Austin.
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Cases keep going up. I wonder what Big Gretch will shut down.
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Cases keep going up. I wonder what Big Gretch will shut down.
Interesting poll today, Tower. 37% of Michiganders think Trump treated Michigan worse than any other state in dealing with Covid. Next highest on the list was North Carolina at 14%.
Biden is leading by double digits in Michigan without lifting a finger.
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Interesting poll today, Tower. 37% of Michiganders think Trump treated Michigan worse than any other state in dealing with Covid. Next highest on the list was North Carolina at 14%.
Biden is leading by double digits in Michigan without lifting a finger.
FWIW, HRC was leading all the polls in Michigan by a good 6-8 pts up to the 2016 election and had like an 80% chance winning projection
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Biden's takin' his shoes and socks off to count the Vid deaths. He's over a million and countin', hey?
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Trump has a track record now. The undecideds and independents aren't going to think 'what the hell, he's gotta be better than Hillary' this time.
Plus, Big Gretch is still popular and DJT has said some pretty stupid stuff about Michigan the last few months.
4 months is a long time. Lots of things can change
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Trump has a track record now. The undecideds and independents aren't going to think 'what the hell, he's gotta be better than Hillary' this time.
Plus, Big Gretch is still popular and DJT has said some pretty stupid stuff about Michigan the last few months.
4 months is a long time. Lots of things can change
I posted that in context of her popularity and the foolishness of attacking her.
There was an absolutely huge anti-Hillary vote in ‘16 that will not exist this time. One thing that Biden is is likeable. And if he does need help, there are many, many testimonials from Rs about what a great guy he is, as well.
Yes, it is early, but trump has shown no inclination to appeal to anyone but the crazies. He sounded like a madman at Mt. Rushmore. Every Biden ad should just show trump.
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Michigan...
@RexChapman: Diamond Lake in Cass County, Michigan just now:
A COVID-19 Petri dish...https://twitter.com/MaxLewisTV/status/1279531380439998475/video/1
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There will be hell to pay for that. Torch Lake, too.
66k cases. 6,000 dead. Despite stringent lockdowns. Wear your damn mask and stay away from big crowds.
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https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/07/michigan-sees-largest-one-day-coronavirus-case-increase-in-7-weeks.html
Shocking no one. I wonder when the next round of restrictions kick in.
Too many dumb people.
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Same thing here in Illinois. Just under 1,000 for the first time in weeks.
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Is any of this due to the holiday delaying number releases?
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Doubtful.
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https://news.yahoo.com/ask-prayers-13-nuns-michigan-215424363.html
13 nuns in a convent. Sounds like the start of several old jokes. Sadly, no joke.
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Closing down. First steps, closing bars, limiting indoor gatherings to 10, outdoor to 100.
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https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2020/07/bo-schembechler-don-canham-knew-about-sex-assault-allegations-lawsuit-claims.html
Not COVID related, but still awkward.
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https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2020/07/bo-schembechler-don-canham-knew-about-sex-assault-allegations-lawsuit-claims.html
Not COVID related, but still awkward.
At least he didn't assault players running down the sidelines.
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At least he didn't assault players running down the sidelines.
That got caught on camera.
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It finally happened. Two members of my fire department have tested positive for COVID. Two stations temporarily closed for deep cleaning.
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Oh good luck tower.
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It finally happened. Two members of my fire department have tested positive for COVID. Two stations temporarily closed for deep cleaning.
Stay safe, man. Scoop needs ya as much as the department. 8-)
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I predicted months ago that if members of my department caught COVID, it would be off duty, as we have OCD when it comes to PPE on our alarms.
A wedding reception for one of our co-workers. 3 confirmed, 8 in isolation.
As of 19:45, EDT, 5 confirmed, 22 in isolation.
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I predicted months ago that if members of my department caught COVID, it would be off duty, as we have OCD when it comes to PPE on our alarms.
A wedding reception for one of our co-workers. 3 confirmed, 8 in isolation.
As of 19:45, EDT, 5 confirmed, 22 in isolation.
Sucks to hear. Stay healthy
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Of the 40 who were quarantined as of Thursday, 35 were able to return to duty already. Waiting on test results for the others. 8 tested positive, one symptomatic.
So, bullet mostly dodged. Hopefully, wisdom gleaned.
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Fall sports postponed until spring. If ever.
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And this is why it sucks to be in charge...
779 new COVID cases. 20 deaths.
College professors are signing letters and petitioning to have all college classes virtual this fall.
3 More MSU athletes testing positive.
Courts rule she hasn't overstepped her boundaries.
Republicans trying to use a Michigan constitutional loophole to strip her of her emergency powers anyway.
B1G rumors blaming her for single handedly stopping Big 10 football.
Theaters and bowling alleys in the southern 2/3 of the state saying it isn't fair that theaters and bowling alleys in relatively quiet COVID areas get to open while the ones in hot spots can't.
The joys and challenges of being in the big seat.
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Bog Gretchen said the state recommended against football, but that it should be the MHSAA's decision. 90 minutes later, football is on starting September 18. I am honestly glad my kid does not play football.
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Bog Gretchen said the state recommended against football, but that it should be the MHSAA's decision. 90 minutes later, football is on starting September 18. I am honestly glad my kid does not play football.
What are the rules behind other sports? Or was it made solely for football?
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All sports are open.
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Second round starting in my department. Last time led to 13 positive and up to 40 quarantined. Hopefully, we get a lid in it faster this time, as we are simultaneously preparing for non-peaceful demonstrations.
This round's patient zero caught it from his college age daughter.
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Interesting news out of your home state today, tower.
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Interesting news out of your home state today, tower.
There’s good people on both sides.
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https://news.yahoo.com/feds-charge-six-militia-members-160654002.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFYwCJqw1hbxeUoNndFVnsWt6-2j0QbCMLMtdTGlqrWcvGWzLWUaTPYhgEa9S8kgXCP-8v-r_bzKp_Y5cOKdOH9vsqUB0zl1QyOS03Oc4G-aTUzFcRRK7EBH_y0TexhfR1GrUsWahW2uAyxjG10OAwjvPDIlGS7vp7PGYC_2f8Fo
Yup. Those guys are pretty close to home for me. Although it looks like one of the big organizational meetings took place in Ohio.
Jockey beat me to the punchline. Dammit.
And I am suddenly flashing back to those whackadoodles with the AR-15's protesting at and inside the capitol.
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Ohio's been conquering Michigan on the football field for years, might as well just take the state over.
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‘this tyrant b----"
Bunch of right wing nuts afraid of strong, successful, intelligent women.
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Homeland security has said that right wing militias/white supremacists groups are the biggest terrorist threat.
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Homeland security has said that right wing militias/white supremacists groups are the biggest terrorist threat.
Luckily they were told to stand by.
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I'm hopeful that this is a "dying loudly" type of situation rather than the resurgance it seems to be.
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And I am suddenly flashing back to those whackadoodles with the AR-15's protesting at and inside the capitol.
Watching the nuts when they were armed inside the state House, I told my wife I was surprised they didn’t try to take over and hold hostages.
It was just a throw away line as I wasn’t being serious, but it’s time to re-evaluate.
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Domestic terrorism plot foiled by the G-Men
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I'm hopeful that this is a "dying loudly" type of situation rather than the resurgance it seems to be.
Since this is not a unique phenomenon globally, I bet it’s the latter.
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Some points from the joint press conference with the Michigan AG, the federal prosecutors from the east and west districts of Michigan, and the FBI agent in charge:
- They had staked out the governor's summer residence.
- They planned to blow up a bridge to delay the law enforcement response.
- The informant went to the FBI because they were planning to harm/kill law enforcement officers.
- They had purchased the bomb supplies and a really big taser.
- Their underlying fear was having to wear masks and that their guns might be taken away.
- They were going to kidnap Big Gretch and take her to Wisconsin where she would be tried for treason.
Now, Wisconsinites, where in the holy fk would they want to go in Wisconsin to attempt to try her for treason?
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Some points from the joint press conference with the Michigan AG, the federal prosecutors from the east and west districts of Michigan, and the FBI agent in charge:
- They had staked out the governor's summer residence.
- They planned to blow up a bridge to delay the law enforcement response.
- The informant went to the FBI because they were planning to harm/kill law enforcement officers.
- They had purchased the bomb supplies and a really big taser.
- Their underlying fear was having to wear masks and that their guns might be taken away.
- They were going to kidnap Big Gretch and take her to Wisconsin where she would be tried for treason.
Now, Wisconsinites, where in the holy fk would they want to go in Wisconsin to attempt to try her for treason?
The brainwashing of Americans happens every day. These guys aren't rational people.
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Some points from the joint press conference with the Michigan AG, the federal prosecutors from the east and west districts of Michigan, and the FBI agent in charge:
- They had staked out the governor's summer residence.
- They planned to blow up a bridge to delay the law enforcement response.
- The informant went to the FBI because they were planning to harm/kill law enforcement officers.
- They had purchased the bomb supplies and a really big taser.
- Their underlying fear was having to wear masks and that their guns might be taken away.
- They were going to kidnap Big Gretch and take her to Wisconsin where she would be tried for treason.
Now, Wisconsinites, where in the holy fk would they want to go in Wisconsin to attempt to try her for treason?
They were awaiting instructions from Robin Vos.
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Luckily they were told to stand by.
Standing back and standing by.
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Jockey beat me to the punchline. Dammit.
Except I don’t put my sarcasm in teal. :)
Maybe that’s why people get pissed :'(
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Some points from the joint press conference with the Michigan AG, the federal prosecutors from the east and west districts of Michigan, and the FBI agent in charge:
- They had staked out the governor's summer residence.
- They planned to blow up a bridge to delay the law enforcement response.
- The informant went to the FBI because they were planning to harm/kill law enforcement officers.
- They had purchased the bomb supplies and a really big taser.
- Their underlying fear was having to wear masks and that their guns might be taken away.
- They were going to kidnap Big Gretch and take her to Wisconsin where she would be tried for treason.
Now, Wisconsinites, where in the holy fk would they want to go in Wisconsin to attempt to try her for treason?
My wife's family owns land in Marinette County. There's a "compound" just down the road. I'm sure it's not the only one.
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This post is not sarcasm.
Trump needs to be held accountable by the media and the American people now. Today.
He has attacked the governor by name over and over. He has winked to these militias and told them to stand by. He has culpability here and needs to be called out. Now.
But as usual, r’s will keep quiet and D’s will be accused of being partisans.
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This post is not sarcasm.
Trump needs to be held accountable by the media and the American people now. Today.
He has attacked the governor by name over and over. He has winked to these militias and told them to stand by. He has culpability here and needs to be called out. Now.
But as usual, r’s will keep quiet and D’s will be accused of being partisans.
Agreed...but it isn't gonna happen. America has been divided for a long time, but lately we seem to hit new lows every day.
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In COVID news, Michigan's rolling daily average now at the highest it has been in 5 months.
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My wife's family owns land in Marinette County. There's a "compound" just down the road. I'm sure it's not the only one.
hell no, they're all over! Northern MI is insane right wing anti-government country. On my way Up North a few years ago we stopped at a gas station outside of Mt. Pleasant and I immediately saw Confederate Flag plates and flags flying. More Michiganders died in the Civil War than any other state and there's a huge confederate pride following there. My old middle and high school banned confederate flags on campus and the local tattoo parlor was offering free stars and bars tattoos so everyone could express their pride. In what, exactly??
This post is not sarcasm.
But as usual, r’s will keep quiet and D’s will be accused of being partisans.
you are almost right. The R's have spoken about it and, of course, the party of personal responsibility is blaming...Governor Whitmer. Jason Miller, Sr. Advisor to the Trump campaign and deadbeat dad on Fox today:
"If we want to talk about hatred, then Gov. Whitmer, go look in the mirror -- the fact that she wakes up everyday with such hatred in her heart for President Trump."
these people can seriously fornicate themselves with an iron stick.
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At least he didn’t call her “that monster”.
Buckle up dudes and dudettes!
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In COVID news, Michigan's rolling daily average now at the highest it has been in 5 months.
I think this is true in most places that crushed their spring spikes.
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I've said this before .. I am utterly shocked the country doesn't have a frequency of assassinations.
We've got plenty of unstable people, plenty of hatred, acrimony, division, political powerlessness, and more guns and ammo than in human history.
I can only think that Netflix is keeping the nutjobs placated with Seinfeld reruns or something, because nothing else makes sense -- surely not a strong common bond to humanity or decency.
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I've said this before .. I am utterly shocked the country doesn't have a frequency of assassinations.
We've got plenty of unstable people, plenty of hatred, acrimony, division, political powerlessness, and more guns and ammo than in human history.
I can only think that Netflix is keeping the nutjobs placated with Seinfeld reruns or something, because nothing else makes sense -- surely not a strong common bond to humanity or decency.
How do these things get started? how do they continue?
Ask and you shall receive, right on time. Attacking the victim of a terrorist kidnapping plot? I have that for you right here:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314282762271158275?s=19
Every study says the biggest teror threat to Americans is right wing domestic terrorism.
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I've said this before .. I am utterly shocked the country doesn't have a frequency of assassinations.
We've got plenty of unstable people, plenty of hatred, acrimony, division, political powerlessness, and more guns and ammo than in human history.
I can only think that Netflix is keeping the nutjobs placated with Seinfeld reruns or something, because nothing else makes sense -- surely not a strong common bond to humanity or decency.
Netflix took Seinfeld off, so maybe that's why they're angry.
Though they would probably never watch Seinfeld since Jerry (character and real life) is Jewish.
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Netflix took Seinfeld off, so maybe that's why they're angry.
Though they would probably never watch Seinfeld since Jerry (character and real life) is Jewish.
How dare you? Their leader's son in law and daughter are Jewish!
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I've said this before .. I am utterly shocked the country doesn't have a frequency of assassinations.
We've got plenty of unstable people, plenty of hatred, acrimony, division, political powerlessness, and more guns and ammo than in human history.
I can only think that Netflix is keeping the nutjobs placated with Seinfeld reruns or something, because nothing else makes sense -- surely not a strong common bond to humanity or decency.
Um, Arby's anyone?
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Um, Arby's anyone?
Anybody every try the meat mountain?
http://drmarbys.com/secret-menu/
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How do these things get started? how do they continue?
Ask and you shall receive, right on time. Attacking the victim of a terrorist kidnapping plot? I have that for you right here:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314282762271158275?s=19
He only says what he is sent out to say. They are not upset by these kind of things - kidnapping plan - they actively encourage them.
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How dare you? Their leader's son in law and daughter are Jewish!
Yeah, I forgot about the shadow presidents.
It's not like the Trump cult would ever been inconsistent or hypocritical. I mean, using fetal cells for his treatment, running record deficits, cheating on his wife with porn actresses, paying the significant others of his sons six figures with campaign fund, golfing on the job. I'm glad they'd held his feet to the fire on all of those.
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There are Michigan Republicans criticizing the nut jobs. A few aren't, but there are Republicans who are speaking out against the idea of violence against elected officials.
"They are criminals and traitors and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law".
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Anybody every try the meat mountain?
http://drmarbys.com/secret-menu/
That'd be a great name for a male porn star.
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There are Michigan Republicans criticizing the nut jobs. A few aren't, but there are Republicans who are speaking out against the idea of violence against elected officials.
"They are criminals and traitors and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law".
That’s good to hear. One voice is conspicuously missing.
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Um, Arby's anyone?
Ok, first, absolutely. But second .. did anything I wrote seem off base to you?
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I don't think that you people grasp that there are monsters on both sides. BOTH SIDES! Why, as rocket pointed out recently, there were some Democratic officials that wanted to make sure that they were seen on camera wearing their masks, even though they had them off just a few moments before!
BOTH SIDES!
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There are Michigan Republicans criticizing the nut jobs. A few aren't, but there are Republicans who are speaking out against the idea of violence against elected officials.
"They are criminals and traitors and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law".
POTUS is not one of those admonishing the domestic terrorists,. In fact, he responded by criticizing the intended victim. Chilling.
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This interview is....something.
https://twitter.com/rossjonesWXYZ/status/1314581815815004160?s=20
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This interview is....something.
https://twitter.com/rossjonesWXYZ/status/1314581815815004160?s=20
I can't imagine living in a small town. What a nutter.
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This interview is....something.
https://twitter.com/rossjonesWXYZ/status/1314581815815004160?s=20
Armed Muslims threatening the government = terrorists
Armed Blacks and Latinos threatening the government = gangs and thugs
Armed white guys threatening the government = militias.
Hmmm
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I thought the sheriff in Kenosha was bad. Never mind.
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POTUS is not one of those admonishing the domestic terrorists,. In fact, he responded by criticizing the intended victim. Chilling.
Today POTUS sent out an email accusing Biden of treason, saying he shouldn’t be allowed to run, and saying he needs to “pay the price”. Sounds awful similar to trump’s order to “stand by” to the White terrorists.
We know who the terrorists are and we know who they get their marching orders from.
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This interview is....something.
https://twitter.com/rossjonesWXYZ/status/1314581815815004160?s=20
Sheriffs are elected officials (usually). The guys who were arrested are his constituents and contemporaries.
So, I'm not terribly shocked.
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Today POTUS sent out an email accusing Biden of treason,
No, the Trump campaign did.
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Razor blades on Trump sign in Michigan slices man’s fingers
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-campaigns-michigan-archive-0dd723d88b78f9837ce55ba84f31a995
Lovely. Trump supporter illegally puts a sign too close to the roadway...and tapes a row of razor blades to it. City worker slices hand open while removing it, requiring several stitches.
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Armed Muslims threatening the government = terrorists
Armed Blacks and Latinos threatening the government = gangs and thugs
Armed white guys threatening the government = militias.
Hmmm
Nope. Obama was elected. Racism was cured. As Pence said in the debate while Jeff Goldblum was puking on him, there is no systemic racism in the United States.
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Razor blades on Trump sign in Michigan slices man’s fingers
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-campaigns-michigan-archive-0dd723d88b78f9837ce55ba84f31a995
Lovely. Trump supporter illegally puts a sign too close to the roadway...and tapes a row of razor blades to it. City worker slices hand open while removing it, requiring several stitches.
AFAIK, "boobytraps" are illegal
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No, the Trump campaign did.
Oh, please.
If that’s all you got from the post, God help you.
What does “pay the price” mean to you?
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Oh, please.
If that’s all you got from the post, God help you.
What does “pay the price” mean to you?
Your posts really don't inform so I took nothing else away from it. Just your error.
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I thought the sheriff in Kenosha was bad. Never mind.
A sheriff openly supporting terrorists? Gotta be a part of trump’s amurica.
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As a retired unlucky defender, I find it hilarious to hear a sheriff all of a sudden spouting terms like innocent until proven guilty, and don’t try the case in the press.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-ohio-reportedly-investigating-group-002300100.html
It is good to see that Democrats aren't the only ones being targeted by the domestic terrorists.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-protesters-attack-jews-trump-vehicle-convoy-new-york
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-ohio-reportedly-investigating-group-002300100.html
It is good to see that it isn't just Democrats aren't the only ones being targeted by the domestic terrorists.
The divisiveness lately is depressing, and it’s emboldening dangerous fringe elements.
We need someone in power to bring this country together...or at least try.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-protesters-attack-jews-trump-vehicle-convoy-new-york
That’s bad.
I hope the person or people responsible for this hateful act is punished to the full extent of the law.
See ... condemning heinous acts is not that difficult, nor should it be partisan.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-protesters-attack-jews-trump-vehicle-convoy-new-york
Hate has no home here, aina?
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Anti semitism is wrong. Find them, prosecute them to fullest extent of the law.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-protesters-attack-jews-trump-vehicle-convoy-new-york
watch the videos. they were defending themselves.
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Why does rocket post these things?
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Why does rocket post these things?
One the one hand, as a presumably educated adult, he should know better.
On the other hand, this is what happens when you live in the Fox News bubble. That's not just my opinion of Fox's atrocious journalism. It's a scientific fact that people who get their news from Fox are less informed than those who do not.
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One the one hand, as a presumably educated adult, he should know better.
On the other hand, this is what happens when you live in the Fox News bubble. That's not just my opinion of Fox's atrocious journalism. It's a scientific fact that people who get their news from Fox are less informed than those who do not.
Makes you wonder if he truly knows the difference between bicuspids, molars, and canines... and what would happen if Fox told him he had them backwards his whole life, aina?
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Why does rocket post these things?
I don't have him on ignore, but I never read anything he writes in the lowercase Trumpian word salad.
It's just not worth the aggravation.
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I don't have him on ignore, but I never read anything he writes in the lowercase Trumpian word salad.
It's just not worth the aggravation.
Easier to have him on ignore. It’s not about what he says. Ziggy says a lot of the same kind of stuff (as well as going after me), but at least he can be intelligent and funny. I don’t think those will ever be the first two words to describe rocket.
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One the one hand, as a presumably educated adult, he should know better.
On the other hand, this is what happens when you live in the Fox News bubble. That's not just my opinion of Fox's atrocious journalism. It's a scientific fact that people who get their news from Fox are less informed than those who do not.
Actually, the study done a number of years ago showed that Fox viewers are less informed than people who do not watch news at all because they are continually fed misinformation.
"STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All"
https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5
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Hate has no home here, aina?
Correct. It doesn't.
Don't support anti-Semites. Don't support those with a decades-long history of racist deeds and words. Don't support those who give comfort and support to white supremacists and conspiracy theorists. Don't support a president who uses hate, fear and anger to gin up his base.
Easy peasy!
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Easier to have him on ignore. It’s not about what he says. Ziggy says a lot of the same kind of stuff (as well as going after me), but at least he can be intelligent and funny. I don’t think those will ever be the first two words to describe rocket.
Love you too, jockitch. :-* :-*
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Easier to have him on ignore. It’s not about what he says. Ziggy says a lot of the same kind of stuff (as well as going after me), but at least he can be intelligent and funny. I don’t think those will ever be the first two words to describe rocket.
so you guys smart and funny, but those who disagree with you are dull and stupid? not really a question, but intellectually revealing...interesting how reactive you guys get to a fox news link
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Love you too, jockitch. :-* :-*
Yup. We're just like the Festrunk brothers.
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-festrunk-brothers/n8662
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so you guys smart and funny, but those who disagree with you are dull and stupid? not really a question, but intellectually revealing...interesting how reactive you guys get to a fox news link
FYI, it ain't the link or the story contained within.
Do you think your posting history is at all intellectually revealing?
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so you guys smart and funny, but those who disagree with you are dull and stupid?
Jockey was quite explicit that disagreeing didn't make one dull and stupid...being dull and stupid makes one dull an stupid.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3gzx5/even-more-sheriffs-say-they-wont-enforce-michigans-ban-on-guns-at-the-polls
The terrorists win again.
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So... if a sheriff decides to not 'follow the rules', can he be pulled over, handcuffed, and tased?
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So... if a sheriff decides to not 'follow the rules', can he be pulled over, handcuffed, and tased?
Depends on his skin color and if he’s “asking for it”
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So... if a sheriff decides to not 'follow the rules', can he be pulled over, handcuffed, and tased?
Is he parked sideways in a handicap space?
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Scoop is very entertaining today.
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Epidemic orders put back in place. For the next three weeks.
Organized sports, done.
No in person high school or college classes.
No indoor seating at restaurants or bars.
Work from home if possible.
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Epidemic orders put back in place. For the next three weeks.
Organized sports, done.
No in person high school or college classes.
No indoor seating at restaurants or bars.
Work from home if possible.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/15/covid-19-restrictions-3-week-lockdown-shutdown-high-schools-colleges/6305432002/
(https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/15/covid-19-restrictions-3-week-lockdown-shutdown-high-schools-colleges/6305432002/)
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Epidemic orders put back in place. For the next three weeks.
Organized sports, done.
No in person high school or college classes.
No indoor seating at restaurants or bars.
Work from home if possible.
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Sew, inn yur kase, wen are ya settin' yo crib on fire, hey?
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Bin inn kwarnteen for 7 daze now do two a pozteev tessst . If eyem lukkee, I return to work Frydae, kin.
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Godspeed bro 🙏🏻, hey?
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Sew, inn yur kase, wen are ya settin' yo crib on fire, hey?
I laughed.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/15/politics/scott-atlas-coronavirus-michigan/index.html
And here we go.......
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/15/politics/scott-atlas-coronavirus-michigan/index.html
And here we go.......
I guess this douchenozzle forgot about the terrorists who "rose up" by plotting to kidnap, torture and kill the Michigan governor -- an act that led the emperor to bravely criticize the intended victim.
Yet another of the "very best people" the emperor has hired.
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I guess this douchenozzle forgot about the terrorists who "rose up" by plotting to kidnap, torture and kill the Michigan governor -- an act that led the emperor to bravely criticize the intended victim.
Yet another of the "very best people" the emperor has hired.
I’m betting he didn’t forget.
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I’m betting he didn’t forget.
and you would win that bet.
Out here in Oregon, we have suburban politicians telling our governor to go to hell regarding the restrictions. I'm just hoping that as the weather gets worse people will stay inside.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/11/clackamas-county-leader-plans-to-celebrate-thanksgiving-dinner-with-as-many-family-and-friends-as-i-can-find.html
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Some serious foreshadowing on pages 3 and 4 of this thread.
Continuing on pages 10-12.
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Some serious foreshadowing on pages 3 and 4 of this thread.
Continuing on pages 10-12.
Man I'm not going back to read 4 pages of this thread, what are you saying?
Edit: Oh, probably the MI governor kidnapping attempt stuff. nvm.
Edit2: I think we should call this type of vagueposting, "vaguepoliticking"
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Skate, to be specific... When the armed protestors forced their way in to the capitol. And the kidnapping it on Whitmer. Events in Michigan foreshadowed those in DC. Hopefully, that isn't too vague for you.
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Skate, to be specific... When the armed protestors forced their way in to the capitol. And the kidnapping it on Whitmer. Events in Michigan foreshadowed those in DC. Hopefully, that isn't too vague for you.
I think you may be being too hard on the white nationalist fascists here. They just want an ethnostate they can be proud of not wearing masks in.
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I think you may be being too hard on the white nationalist fascists here. They just want an ethnostate they can be proud of not wearing masks in.
There may be a way to resolve this. Give the fascists the U.P., and then they can build their wall and get Wisconsin to pay for it.
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There may be a way to resolve this. Give the fascists the U.P., and then they can build their wall and get Wisconsin to pay for it.
Ron Johnson would demand that it be expand to everything except south East wi, and even then might still fight for Waukesha.
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Ron Johnson would demand that it be expand to everything except south East wi, and even then might still fight for Waukesha.
I love Scoop.
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Michigan seeing a surge in cases. My department also. Rumor has it that we have a firefighter with both shots on board who has tested positive and is symptomatic. Rumor has it the CDC has already called our chief.
It isn't yet time to stop holding on to your hats.
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Michigan seeing a surge in cases. My department also. Rumor has it that we have a firefighter with both shots on board who has tested positive and is symptomatic. Rumor has it the CDC has already called our chief.
It isn't yet time to stop holding on to your hats.
Being a total cynic, has the fire department required proof of vaccination?
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I am not in this field, but it strikes me as something that is bound to happen (vaccinated illness) and will be covered more frequently in the coming weeks. We have a ton of spread and know the vaccine is not 100% effective.
If the anecdote is true, it's comforting that the CDC is investigating and is on top of it in case it is caused by something that is evading vaccine protection.
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Being a total cynic, has the fire department required proof of vaccination?
We get paid for getting the shot off duty if we present our card showing that we have received both. So I am going to assume they did present proof.
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There's no doubt, we'll read about dozens, hundreds of cases of people who have both shots and get COVID, since it's not 100% effective.
That will then generate more people who refuse the vaccine.
Vicious cycle.
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Some folks win the lottery too. Much to do about nothing and certainly not worth destroying lives, businesses, and mental health over. Carry on, hey?
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Some folks win the lottery too. Much to do about nothing and certainly not worth destroying lives, businesses, and mental health over. Carry on, hey?
Much to do about nothing? Remind us how many have died from the virus, please.
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The vaccine takes hospitalization and death off the table. Follow the science. It is real, aina?
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Much to do about nothing? Remind us how many have died from the virus, please.
Bring up hydroxy next.
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The vaccine takes hospitalization and death off the table. Follow the science. It is real, aina?
Mea culpa. Thought you were talking about the virus itself.
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Bring up hydroxy next.
No surprise here.
The meat summiters/mean girls gang up so frequently.
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Huge surge among unvaccinated young adults. Hospitalization rates quite high ages 20-40.
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Huge surge among unvaccinated young adults. Hospitalization rates quite high ages 20-40.
With seniors' vaccination rate getting up near 60%, the majority of those hospitalized may soon be younger adults.
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they seem to be having trouble getting the number of nursing home deaths out of the michigan administration...next up, a slew of dudes claim sexual harassment on the ole gretchen... they should be asking for their emmy back...wait... ?-(
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/03/19/covering-up-nursing-home-covid-deaths-cuomo-whitmer-column/4723259001/
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The vaccine takes hospitalization and death off the table. Follow the science. It is real, aina?
Unless and until a fully vaccine-resistant strain emerges. Then we could be back at square one.
As long as the virus is broadly circulating - whether among vaccinated or unvaccinated people - we need to remain vigilant.
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As long as the virus is broadly circulating - whether among vaccinated or unvaccinated people - we need to remain vigilant.
And we have seen how many in the US care about that, and your statement applies to the entire world.
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Unless and until a fully vaccine-resistant strain emerges. Then we could be back at square one.
As long as the virus is broadly circulating - whether among vaccinated or unvaccinated people - we need to remain vigilant.
I get it. It's just not going to happen. There are too many social, economic and political pressures right now. Even in Europe there are increasing protests from all sides.
I've booked two plane trips for the next two months. (Business and pleasure.) We are talking about bringing people back to work in May. This is the path we are on.
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I get it. It's just not going to happen. There are too many social, economic and political pressures right now. Even in Europe there are increasing protests from all sides.
I've booked two plane trips for the next two months. (Business and pleasure.) We are talking about bringing people back to work in May. This is the path we are on.
I get that, and don't necessarily oppose the path you described.
But being vigilant doesn't have to mean a lockdown or travel ban. I'm talking about people continuing to wear masks until they're vaccinated, most people getting vaccinated as soon as they are able, employers requiring proof of vaccination to get back into offices etc. That shouldn't impose undue restrictions on business or pleasure. The key is people being reasonably sensible.
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employers requiring proof of vaccination to get back into offices
Not allowed here in Wisconsin under proposed legislation, but putting that aside, what would you do if your very best, loyal, trusted, productive, long tenured employee refuses to get vaccinated?
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Not allowed here in Wisconsin under proposed legislation, but putting that aside, what would you do if your very best, loyal, trusted, productive, long tenured employee refuses to get vaccinated?
Tell him he's welcome to WFH most of the time, and that company policy is that he has to wear a mask 100% of the time he is in the office?
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Not allowed here in Wisconsin under proposed legislation, but putting that aside, what would you do if your very best, loyal, trusted, productive, long tenured employee refuses to get vaccinated?
Hope that time changes their mind. Having the same issue with more than just one here.
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Tell him he's welcome to WFH most of the time, and that company policy is that he has to wear a mask 100% of the time he is in the office?
Yep.
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Hospitalization for Michiganians 40-49 up 800% since the start of March.
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Tell him he's welcome to WFH most of the time, and that company policy is that he has to wear a mask 100% of the time he is in the office?
don't know if you've ever owned a business before, but easier said than done. a lot of it has to do with what type of business
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don't know if you've ever owned a business before, but easier said than done. a lot of it has to do with what type of business
Listen man, I just answered a hypothetical. I understand a dental hygienist can't WFH, but a mask 100% for people that don't want to get vaccinated is possible (putting aside all legal battles as the hypothetical proposed).
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don't know if you've ever owned a business before, but easier said than done. a lot of it has to do with what type of business
If you can control their hair style, you can control mask wearing.
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If you can control their hair style, you can control mask wearing.
Lol
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So why has Michigan's case count started to rise but Wisconsin hasn't yet seen the same? (Michigan had 5,000 new cases while Wisconsin had about 800.) New variant in Michigan? Better vaccine roll out in Wisconsin? Wisconsin has a larger peak in the fall (doubly so on a per capita basis) so there were more "fresh bodies" in Michigan?
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New variant. UK Variant is very active here. Vaccine has been very organized for the most part. But not opening up to the general public until this week. Focused on seniors and essential workers.
Spring break and bars reopening, too.
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New variant. UK Variant is very active here. Vaccine has been very organized for the most part. But not opening up to the general public until this week. Focused on seniors and essential workers.
Spring break and bars reopening, too.
It has to be the variant. The rest of the US is going through spring break, and other things as well.
Honestly, the best thing that might have happened to the US was that polar vortex two weeks in Feb that kept a lot of people home.
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Yeah, our highest numbers since December 8.
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Yeah, our highest numbers since December 8.
are they releasing bus loads of illegal's into michigan too?
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are they releasing bus loads of illegal's into michigan too?
no but they mentioned dropping them at dentists for a free needed cleaning
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are they releasing bus loads of illegal's into michigan too?
Probably driven by anti-vaxxer MAGA types here. Anti-maskers. Mensa candidates.
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U of M hockey pulls out of the NCAA tourney due to COVID. Canadian immigrants the issue?
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7th grader in the school where my son is an 8th grader tested positive and is symptomatic. The entire 7th grade will be virtual next week. Baseball practices for the 7-8th grade team are cancelled. Which impacts my son.
No immigrants.
It isn't over. Wear masks. Get vaccinated.
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no but they mentioned dropping them at dentists for a free needed cleaning
you mean like gretchen (and gov emmy) releasing them into nursing homes. we just don't know how many.
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you mean like gretchen (and gov emmy) releasing them into nursing homes. we just don't know how many.
maybe your mad king should tell his terrorists to try to kidnap and murder her again. that'd show her!
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maybe your mad king should tell his terrorists to try to kidnap and murder her again. that'd show her!
nice deflection 82, we're talking about covid here-pay attention, you just can't handle the truth about "your people" mishandling the pandemic because your "media" is depressingly a big propaganda machine that will eventually be the demise of all of us-wake up and smell the news bias
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nice deflection 82, we're talking about covid here-pay attention, you just can't handle the truth about "your people" mishandling the pandemic because your "media" is depressingly a big propaganda machine that will eventually be the demise of all of us-wake up and smell the news bias
nice deflection rocket, we're talking about covid here-pay attention, you just can't handle the truth about "your mad king" mishandling the pandemic because your "media" is depressingly a big propaganda machine that will eventually be the demise of all of us-wake up and smell the news bias.
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From the Washington Post, on heightened COVID-19 concerns, especially in Michigan:
The state most responsible for such alarms right now might be Michigan. The CDC on Tuesday said Michigan led all states in new cases per 100,000 in the previous week. And hospitalizations had surged 53 percent, with 2,144 adults hospitalized, compared with a week earlier.
Cases are multiplying faster than they were last fall, when Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) instituted a “pause to save lives,” with measures that included stopping in-person high school classes and banning indoor dining. That intervention prevented more than 100,000 covid cases, a University of Michigan study estimated.
No similar measures have been launched in the Wolverine State this time, but it isn’t too late for the governor, with the help of Michiganders, to rein in the rapidly increasing threat.
Is there something about Michigan this is prompting the spike in infections? No, it’s the same dynamics happening elsewhere. They just seem to be happening in Michigan first. Restaurants and bars are pushing their permitted 50 percent maximum capacity (capped at 300 patrons).
Much of the clientele in those restaurants appears to young people — and young people are increasingly among the hospitalized in Michigan. From March 5 to March 27, more than half of all covid cases in Michigan were people under age 39. Anecdotally, I can report that people here have lately become much more casual about wearing masks.
It feels as though we haven’t learned the lessons of 2020. Or that the sense of coronavirus vaccines coming to the rescue has made us forget those lessons.
But sure ... it's time to party!
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Much of the clientele in those restaurants appears to young people — and young people are increasingly among the hospitalized in Michigan. From March 5 to March 27, more than half of all covid cases in Michigan were people under age 39. Anecdotally, I can report that people here have lately become much more casual about wearing masks.
It feels as though we haven’t learned the lessons of 2020. Or that the sense of coronavirus vaccines coming to the rescue has made us forget those lessons.[/i]
The underlined is particularly worrisome. More young people getting hospitalized even than last summer and fall. Not a good time to open things up.
At the very least, we should implement a vaccine passport system if we're going to keep opening things up.
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The underlined is particularly worrisome. More young people getting hospitalized even than last summer and fall. Not a good time to open things up.
At the very least, we should implement a vaccine passport system if we're going to keep opening things up.
Wisconsin 's do-nothing republican Legislature is actually considering meeting - so they can pass a law against vaccine passports.
Right to lifers continuing to demand that more people die. :-\
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Indoor youth sports also seem to be a driving force. Lawsuits to allow wrestlers to participate in state tournaments despite having exposures. Mensa stuff like that.
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Wisconsin 's do-nothing republican Legislature is actually considering meeting - so they can pass a law against vaccine passports.
Are you serious? I am so sick of our Legislature. It is astonishing to me how far the Republican party has gone down the toilet in the last year and a half.
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My nephew is a junior and just went back to in person s hook in MI (4 hours a day ). He’s off next week due to so many classmates doing spring break trips to FL
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https://mobile.twitter.com/emilyjanelawler/status/1379086849281564678/photo/1
What’s going on in Michigan?!?!? Tower or anyone with boots on the ground and local perspective, are the majority of these cases in younger population?
How are hospitalizations trending?
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UK variant is predominant in MI, cases are climbing dramatically, including among school-age children, hospitalizations are increasing dramatically (14-day average up 108%), and deaths are rising (14-day average up 53%).
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/michigan-covid-cases.html
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I find Michigan to be such an odd outlier. I would think if this were due to variants that we would see similar increases in other states, especially neighboring ones. But most are either flat or just showing modest increases.
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I find Michigan to be such an odd outlier. I would think if this were due to variants that we would see similar increases in other states, especially neighboring ones. But most are either flat or just showing modest increases.
Minnesota is beginning to see similar trends - more cases with kids, wide spread of the B117 variant, increased hospitalizations. Our numbers are trending toward where Michigan was a couple of weeks ago.
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I find Michigan to be such an odd outlier. I would think if this were due to variants that we would see similar increases in other states, especially neighboring ones. But most are either flat or just showing modest increases.
CT is seeing upward pressure but like you say - not exploding. There are definitely some of the new variants here and in NE broadly.
This stuff has randomness to it that we are hesitant to accept. The best analogy I've heard is flicking match sticks in a dry forest. You just dont know which one is going to explode even though the potential is certainly there.
That is what makes all the mitigating factors so important. Some may abandon them and get lucky but if you stick to it, you have a better chance to blunt the explosion when it happens.
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This stuff has randomness to it that we are hesitant to accept. The best analogy I've heard is flicking match sticks in a dry forest. You just dont know which one is going to explode even though the potential is certainly there.
That's a good analogy. Little things can make a big difference...and we often don't even know what the little things are.
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Minnesota is beginning to see similar trends - more cases with kids, wide spread of the B117 variant, increased hospitalizations. Our numbers are trending toward where Michigan was a couple of weeks ago.
Saw an interview with Gottlieb recently that said the vaccines are proving to be very effective against B117.
Might have mixed up what variant he was speaking too but hoping it proves to be true. Are the manufacturers currently working on vaccine variants to combat these new strains?
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Saw an interview with Gottlieb recently that said the vaccines are proving to be very effective against B117.
Might have mixed up what variant he was speaking too but hoping it proves to be true. Are the manufacturers currently working on vaccine variants to combat these new strains?
Everything I have read supports what you heard from Gottlieb - the vaccines do work very well against the B117 variant. And yes - manufacturers are working on vaccines for the other new variants.
The problem is that the B117 variant spreads very quickly even among younger people, and it often makes them quite sick. That creates concern because most 16-50 year olds still haven't been vaccinated (and it may take a few more months), and kids up to 16 still aren't eligible.
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Everything I have read supports what you heard from Gottlieb - the vaccines do work very well against the B117 variant. And yes - manufacturers are working on vaccines for the other new variants.
The problem is that the B117 variant spreads very quickly even among younger people, and it often makes them quite sick. That creates concern because most 16-50 year olds still haven't been vaccinated (and it may take a few more months), and kids up to 16 still aren't eligible.
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Thought Big Gretch had the state locked down hard? What happened?
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She caved too soon.
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She caved too soon.
Which for her means nothing short of reckless homicide charges, at least I think that’s how this game is played.
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Which for her means nothing short of reckless homicide charges, at least I think that’s how this game is played.
Murder.
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Michigan is the canary in the coal mine. Just like a year ago. Wait a couple of weeks and everywhere else will start having numbers like Michigan.
Multiple variants. Being driven by the unvaccinated.
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FWIW, the weekend news said the Coronavirus check in sewage in these parts has seen a significant uptick over last week and that's usually an early indicator of what's to come.
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Thought Big Gretch had the state locked down hard? What happened?
she was following the big lefauscki and the science, unless ya needed to get your boat out...just kidding, eyn'a wretchin?
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she was following the big lefauscki and the science, unless ya needed to get your boat out...just kidding, eyn'a wretchin?
LIBERATE MICHIGAN!
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Not sure if this was posted but a good summary of the surge.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/04/many-of-michigans-thumb-residents-are-done-with-covid-19-pandemic-even-as-virus-rages-like-wildfire.html (https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/04/many-of-michigans-thumb-residents-are-done-with-covid-19-pandemic-even-as-virus-rages-like-wildfire.html)
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Probably an interesting article.
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COVID fatigue, skepticism, politics. Nothing new.
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Here is a non-subscription article that seems to say similar things:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/politics/covid-michigan-surge-gretchen-whitmer/index.html
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Sorry on Twitter it wasn’t restricted. Here is the not direct link.
https://twitter.com/adriannemerk/status/1380990218019467265?s=21 (https://twitter.com/adriannemerk/status/1380990218019467265?s=21)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1381674358402383874
Doing great here. Good for Gretch in trying to get more vaccine with hopes of getting things back under control.
Biden’s team response: pound sand Michigan and go back inside.
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Because giving Michigan more vaccine doesn't help in the short term. That wouldn't show impact for a month.
For them to slow the spread now, they need to clamp down. So Biden's team is right about that.
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Because giving Michigan more vaccine doesn't help in the short term. That wouldn't show impact for a month.
For them to slow the spread now, they need to clamp down. So Biden's team is right about that.
Is there not almost immediate benefit after getting even the first dose? Obviously full efficacy is down the road after 2nd shot, maybe a little bit of both strategy?
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Because giving Michigan more vaccine doesn't help in the short term. That wouldn't show impact for a month.
For them to slow the spread now, they need to clamp down. So Biden's team is right about that.
Yep. It's a shame she isn't following the CDC recommendation and shutting some things down. We are also approaching the point where a partial lockdown may be advisable in a few other places, like MN, IL and a couple of places in the northeast.
I know the counterarguments - the US population doesn't have the patience or willpower. But the fact that the numbers keep bouncing back up - even with the vaccine rollout - might be a hint that the 'half measures' strategy isn't working.
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Is there not almost immediate benefit after getting even the first dose? Obviously full efficacy is down the road after 2nd shot, maybe a little bit of both strategy?
No, there is not evidence of an 'immediate benefit'. The efficacy occurs a week or two after the first dose. And then the decline in cases occurs a couple of weeks after that. So case declines just begin after 3-4 weeks.
With a shutdown, the 'efficacy' (reduction in contacts) occurs immediately. Then case declines occur a couple of weeks after that. So case declines begin in 1-2 weeks.
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No, there is not evidence of an 'immediate benefit'. The efficacy occurs a week or two after the first dose. And then the decline in cases occurs a couple of weeks after that. So case declines just begin after 3-4 weeks.
With a shutdown, the 'efficacy' (reduction in contacts) occurs immediately. Then case declines occur a couple of weeks after that. So case declines begin in 1-2 weeks.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1381638489972871168
I’ll side with my boy Gottlieb. But what does he know as former director of the FDA?!?!?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1381638489972871168
I’ll side with my boy Gottlieb. But what does he know as former director of the FDA?!?!?
I was simply responding to your question about 'immediate benefit' with vaccines. And I answered it correctly.
I can see the case for increasing vaccines to Michigan (and other states that are seeing cases increase significantly), but it has to be in conjunction with partial shutdowns if we want to have anything close to the 'immediate' effect you referred to earlier.
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I was simply responding to your question about 'immediate benefit' with vaccines. And I answered it correctly.
I can see the case for increasing vaccines to Michigan (and other states that are seeing cases increase significantly), but it has to be in conjunction with partial shutdowns if we want to have anything close to the 'immediate' effect you referred to earlier.
So both state of Michigan elected officials and our Federal elected officials are messing this up. I’ll bookend this with the same comment I started with. Doing great here guys!!
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So both state of Michigan elected officials and our Federal elected officials are messing this up. I’ll bookend this with the same comment I started with. Doing great here guys!!
Yes. I'll bookend this with the comment I have been making for a while - Michigan should implement a partial lockdown.
You aren't the only one who has disagreed with their approach.
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Yes. I'll bookend this with the comment I have been making for a while - Michigan should implement a partial lockdown.
You aren't the only one who has disagreed with their approach.
👍👍
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The legislature passed a bill that the governor hasn't signed. In it are guidelines for shutting things down and limiting restaurant capacity relative to the COVID positivity rate. By the Republican legislature's standards, it is time to reduce restaurant capacities and mask up. I am disappointed that the governor didn't sign it.
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The legislature passed a bill that the governor hasn't signed. In it are guidelines for shutting things down and limiting restaurant capacity relative to the COVID positivity rate. By the Republican legislature's standards, it is time to reduce restaurant capacities and mask up. I am disappointed that the governor didn't sign it.
I'm guessing you get a bit gun shy when the other side wants to murder you.
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The legislature passed a bill that the governor hasn't signed. In it are guidelines for shutting things down and limiting restaurant capacity relative to the COVID positivity rate. By the Republican legislature's standards, it is time to reduce restaurant capacities and mask up. I am disappointed that the governor didn't sign it.
That really is disappointing.
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There is an immediate benefit to getting dose 1. Reports peg it at 80% effective after three weeks. But .. it's not 0% effective at 20 days, then 80% the next day. It ramps up.
I will bet a bag of Arby's that within 3 days of getting dose 1, it's 20% effective and 40% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. If you got exposed on day 4, your body is already humming along, you've got a 4 day jump start. That would keep a ton of people out of the hospital.
I'm not making those numbers up out of thin air, I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express before.
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There is an immediate benefit to getting dose 1. Reports peg it at 80% effective after three weeks. But .. it's not 0% effective at 20 days, then 80% the next day. It ramps up.
I will bet a bag of Arby's that within 3 days of getting dose 1, it's 20% effective and 40% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. If you got exposed on day 4, your body is already humming along, you've got a 4 day jump start. That would keep a ton of people out of the hospital.
I'm not making those numbers up out of thin air, I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express before.
Now, for actual science, approximately day 10 appears to where the body (across many participants) has good protection. Before that...eh, gamble.
(https://wp.technologyreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/PFIZER_CHART_NEW.png?w=600)
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There is an immediate benefit to getting dose 1. Reports peg it at 80% effective after three weeks. But .. it's not 0% effective at 20 days, then 80% the next day. It ramps up.
I will bet a bag of Arby's that within 3 days of getting dose 1, it's 20% effective and 40% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. If you got exposed on day 4, your body is already humming along, you've got a 4 day jump start. That would keep a ton of people out of the hospital.
I'm not making those numbers up out of thin air, I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express before.
There is protection after one dose, but the response is neither 'immediate' nor linear.
Studies on the Pfizer vaccine showed that infection rates after the first dose were similar between the vaccine and placebo groups for the first 10-12 days, then tapered off significantly for the vaccine group. Further study showed that this immunity roughly paralleled the development of T-cells that reacted to the SARS-CoV2 spike protein. The following link describes research conducted by Duke and the National University of Singapore.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/local-researchers-find-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-can-produce-antibodies-immune-cells-12-days
Researchers here have found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine can help the body to produce specific types of antibodies and immune cells against the Sars-CoV-2 virus, which may explain why it is able to offer protection from Covid-19 as early as 12 days after a single dose.
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the first 10-12 days
Beat you by a second!
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Dang! Rocky's post beat mine by one second. Guess that shows why he's a mod and I'm not....
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Dang! Rocky's post beat mine by one second. Guess that shows why he's a mod and I'm not....
Maybe he MODified it to look like that :o
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Maybe he MODified it to look like that :o
Yeah, that's the ticket! ;D
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1384283942027624463
Add her to the list of “do as I say not as I do”
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1384283942027624463
Add her to the list of “do as I say not as I do”
You sure love pointing out the shortcomings of a select group
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You sure love pointing out the shortcomings of a select group
No one else on here will so someone has to. You don’t feel the need to comment on the the constant bellyaching pointed at another “select group.”
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You sure love pointing out the shortcomings of a select group
Hypocrisy thy name is jesmu.
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Hypocrisy thy name is jesmu.
I never said I didn't do the same ;)
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No one else on here will so someone has to. You don’t feel the need to comment on the the constant bellyaching pointed at another “select group.”
Valiant
To be fair to Whitmer, I'd probably want to leave a region where people want to kidnap and kill me.
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I have been critical of people on both sides of the aisle (including Whitmer). She was doing good things early in the pandemic (against enormous opposition), but her leadership lately has been disappointing.
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Ted Nugent tests positive.
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Ted Nugent tests positive.
That will help recruiting.
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That will help recruiting.
Nugent recruits a little younger than Marquette coaches tend to.
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Nugent recruits a little younger than Marquette coaches tend to.
Instant classic
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According to my very good friend, my deputy chief: My department has 3 members who tested positive after receiving both vaccines. One is symptomatic.
There is a schism developing within my department about vaccines. Some who have been vaccinated do not want to work with those who have chosen to not get vaccinated. Some who have refused vaccinations are considering quitting because they do not like the peer pressure.
Recently, I had the opportunity to chat with one of the post-vaccination positive test people. He was off 35 out of 36 days. This is a long story.
An affluent suburb nearby felt their high school aged children were being deprived of necessary experiences. After their school district cancelled the winter dance, several parents took it upon themselves to throw one anyway off campus. This was late February. 10 days later, they had to put sports on hiatus and return to virtual learning as nearly half of the boys basketball team had tested positive for COVID. But not before playing one of the private high schools. Several dozen non-athletes also tested positive.
5 days after the private high school played the affluent suburb in basketball, they played the team that my co-worker's sons play for. 18, 16, 15 years old, two on the varsity, one on the JV. Two days after this second game, the private high school had to suspend their season for 10 days, as half of the boys varsity and JV basketball teams tested positive.
7 days after that, all three of my co-worker's sons tested positive. 2 of the 3 were symptomatic. Fever and lethargy for a few days. A week after that, despite both being vaccinated, both my co-worker and his wife tested positive. They were asymptomatic.
In case you are still wondering why Michigan has such a high infection rate. I actually went on spring break to get away from the outbreak.
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For people mentioning positives after full vaccination. Are all of these people contracting 2 weeks after their second vaccine? Or are they going out and about after the first and contracting before they are technically fully vaccinated.
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I don't know. The gentleman I talked to had received his vaccinations in January and February, but I do not know if he was fully outside the two week window.
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I don't know. The gentleman I talked to had received his vaccinations in January and February, but I do not know if he was fully outside the two week window.
Got it. I’ve just seen enough Facebook posts of people saying they are vaccinated and ready to take on the world again and it is only their first shot or right after their second.
Plus, that would be an easier answer than a few made it past the vaccine.
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According to my very good friend, my deputy chief: My department has 3 members who tested positive after receiving both vaccines. One is symptomatic.
There is a schism developing within my department about vaccines. Some who have been vaccinated do not want to work with those who have chosen to not get vaccinated. Some who have refused vaccinations are considering quitting because they do not like the peer pressure.
Recently, I had the opportunity to chat with one of the post-vaccination positive test people. He was off 35 out of 36 days. This is a long story.
An affluent suburb nearby felt their high school aged children were being deprived of necessary experiences. After their school district cancelled the winter dance, several parents took it upon themselves to throw one anyway off campus. This was late February. 10 days later, they had to put sports on hiatus and return to virtual learning as nearly half of the boys basketball team had tested positive for COVID. But not before playing one of the private high schools. Several dozen non-athletes also tested positive.
5 days after the private high school played the affluent suburb in basketball, they played the team that my co-worker's sons play for. 18, 16, 15 years old, two on the varsity, one on the JV. Two days after this second game, the private high school had to suspend their season for 10 days, as half of the boys varsity and JV basketball teams tested positive.
7 days after that, all three of my co-worker's sons tested positive. 2 of the 3 were symptomatic. Fever and lethargy for a few days. A week after that, despite both being vaccinated, both my co-worker and his wife tested positive. They were asymptomatic.
In case you are still wondering why Michigan has such a high infection rate. I actually went on spring break to get away from the outbreak.
If they were asymptomatic and vaccinated why did they even get a test?
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It is required by our employer after having a family member test positive. Even after vaccination.
And THAT is what you took from that post?
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It is required by our employer after having a family member test positive. Even after vaccination.
And THAT is what you took from that post?
Sorry the background regarding the inner workings of your firehouse and a nearby affluent neighborhood didn’t really move the needle.
But an employer requiring a Covid test after full vaccination tells me some will never let this go and grabbed my eye a little more.
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It is nowhere near time to let it go. And it is my recollection that you are a huge advocate for opening schools. Which is one of the things driving the surge in Michigan
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It is nowhere near time to let it go. And it is my recollection that you are a huge advocate for opening schools. Which is one of the things driving the surge in Michigan
Absolutely a huge advocate for keeping schools open, safely (which aligns with what Papa Joe said and wants as well). This is being done successfully all across the country, sorry that parts of Michigan are struggling with that and despite all the science suggesting it is safer and transmission lower in the school setting vs community if the recent surge is truly being driven by the school setting then they should probably go back to virtual.
Me thinks it’s not the schools causing the problem.
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Methinks indoor youth sports are a problem in Michigan.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/04/07/cdc-michigan-covid-19-spread-coronavirus/7122793002/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/young-people-are-driving-latest-covid-19-surge-especially-michigan-n1263199
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/04/10/youths-driving-michigans-latest-covid-19-surge-wisconsin-next/7158707002/
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/20/michigan-coronavirus-covid-surge-whitmer/7291683002/
FWIW, I am disappointed in Whitmer for caving.
#areyousureyou'renotchico
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Methinks indoor youth sports are a problem in Michigan.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/04/07/cdc-michigan-covid-19-spread-coronavirus/7122793002/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/young-people-are-driving-latest-covid-19-surge-especially-michigan-n1263199
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/04/10/youths-driving-michigans-latest-covid-19-surge-wisconsin-next/7158707002/
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/20/michigan-coronavirus-covid-surge-whitmer/7291683002/
FWIW, I am disappointed in Whitmer for caving.
#areyousureyou'renotchico
Leave the kids alone.
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Methinks indoor youth sports are a problem in Michigan.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/04/07/cdc-michigan-covid-19-spread-coronavirus/7122793002/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/young-people-are-driving-latest-covid-19-surge-especially-michigan-n1263199
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/04/10/youths-driving-michigans-latest-covid-19-surge-wisconsin-next/7158707002/
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/20/michigan-coronavirus-covid-surge-whitmer/7291683002/
FWIW, I am disappointed in Whitmer for caving.
#areyousureyou'renotchico
Chicos liked to link multiple articles in a single post. ;)
Are you chicos?
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Chicos liked to link multiple articles in a single post. ;)
Are you chicos?
Yep.
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Yep.
Hey - I'm Chicos!
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Big Gretch in trouble again for have 16 people dining together indoors, when her orders limit indoor dining to 6.
Oops, my bad, she says.
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She done messed up. And there will be a kerfluffle. Still beats the hell out of her predecessor.
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Big Gretch in trouble again for have 16 people dining together indoors, when her orders limit indoor dining to 6.
Oops, my bad, she says.
Agree. This is much worse than letting 100,000s people die through lies, ignorance, and neglect.
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Agree. This is much worse than letting 100,000s people die through lies, ignorance, and neglect.
Your hypocrisy is 2nd only to Big Gretch Antoinette (cousin of G. Newsom and A. Cuomo). Thee, not me.
You guys are so predictable.
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💯💯💯 Sad!
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Agree. This is much worse than letting 100,000s people die through lies, ignorance, and neglect.
Y bring da good governor from da grate state of New York inta dis discussion, hey?
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Your hypocrisy is 2nd only to Big Gretch Antoinette (cousin of G. Newsom and A. Cuomo). Thee, not me.
You guys are so predictable.
Bro, yours is shining pretty brightly too.
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good God, I had no idea the Shark was still open or people over 21 still went there.
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Sorry for the hooping, but I think this update should be spread. FBI/intelligence agencies appear to be operating in "domestic extremism" situations similar to the entrapment they were using during the age of international/Islamic terrorism.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-kidnapping-gretchen-whitmer-fbi-informant
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Sorry for the hooping, but I think this update should be spread. FBI/intelligence agencies appear to be operating in "domestic extremism" situations similar to the entrapment they were using during the age of international/Islamic terrorism.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-kidnapping-gretchen-whitmer-fbi-informant
I have kin that works for the Bureau, but they had not had a good few years. This story is nuts.
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Sorry for the hooping, but I think this update should be spread. FBI/intelligence agencies appear to be operating in "domestic extremism" situations similar to the entrapment they were using during the age of international/Islamic terrorism.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-kidnapping-gretchen-whitmer-fbi-informant
They got their practice in, now it's time for the real show.
What I am concerned about is that every conversation wasn't recorded. Don't be surprised if the defendants cut a deal on much lesser charges.
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We're number one again! Woot. Thank you to the anti-vaxxers. (45% umvaccinated) Thanks to the screaming Karen's making sure their kids were unmasked and unvaccinated. Your embrace of facebook lies is truly inspiring.
Thanks to the politicians who systematically made impossible for government to take any meaningful steps. Without your hard work and passion, none of this would be possible. Bravo to you.
You guys pulled it off. So proud.
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Glancing at your numbers Michigan is at its highest 7-day-average infected rate of all time. Really impressive.
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We're number one again! Woot. Thank you to the anti-vaxxers. (45% umvaccinated) Thanks to the screaming Karen's making sure their kids were unmasked and unvaccinated. Your embrace of facebook lies is truly inspiring.
Thanks to the politicians who systematically made impossible for government to take any meaningful steps. Without your hard work and passion, none of this would be possible. Bravo to you.
You guys pulled it off. So proud.
Fahrenheit, y don't ewe bolt fore WI? Wee kan use ya heer and da golf coures ar superb, aina?
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Job. 14 year old. Wife's job. Small things.
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Job. 14 year old. Wife's job. Small things.
How are the dental trade association meetings though?
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How are the dental trade association meetings though?
You really can't beat the Fond du Lac nightlife...
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Lotsa old, white, dentists peein' down their legs there, hey?
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You really can't beat the Fond du Lac nightlife...
Yeah, but that night life ain't what it used to be. Ziggy's closed:
https://www.kfiz.com/end-of-an-era-for-ziggys-for-now/
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Fahrenheit, y don't ewe bolt fore WI? Wee kan use ya heer and da golf coures ar superb, aina?
Oh, yeah. Maybe I will move to Waukesha.
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Oh, yeah. Maybe I will move to Waukesha.
Thats a pretty gross comment at this time, come on...
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Fair.
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Oh, yeah. Maybe I will move to Waukesha.
You are an absolute clown and despicable human.
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You are an absolute clown and despicable human.
Yo this is rich
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Oh, yeah. Maybe I will move to Waukesha.
No class comment. Character Revealed.
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It was in poor taste. Mea Culpa
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Izzo decides to weigh in.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2021/12/11/michigan-state-basketball-tom-izzo-covid-19-healtcare-workers/6479901001/
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Izzo decides to weigh in.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2021/12/11/michigan-state-basketball-tom-izzo-covid-19-healtcare-workers/6479901001/
I'm very glad he's sticking up for doctors and nurses. That he both advocates for the vaccine while giving anti-vaxxers a bit of a free pass ... that's a little disappointing, though.
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I thought the same.
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I'm very glad he's sticking up for doctors and nurses. That he both advocates for the vaccine while giving anti-vaxxers a bit of a free pass ... that's a little disappointing, though.
Anti-vaxxers are recruits too.
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Izzo decides to weigh in.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2021/12/11/michigan-state-basketball-tom-izzo-covid-19-healtcare-workers/6479901001/
I hope he’s also mad about hospitals being short-staffed due to cutting workers who don’t take the vax because that’s part of the shortage issue too.
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I hope he’s also mad about hospitals being short-staffed due to cutting workers who don’t take the vax because that’s part of the shortage issue too.
Maybe everyone should just get vaccinated then. It's safe and effective. Miracle of medicine. It solves both the patient and staffing problem.
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I hope he’s also mad about hospitals being short-staffed due to cutting workers who don’t take the vax because that’s part of the shortage issue too.
Is there short staffing due to cutting workers who are anti-vax?
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I hope he’s also mad about hospitals being short-staffed due to cutting workers who don’t take the vax because that’s part of the shortage issue too.
source? And remember, your facebook chat group is not considered a valid source.
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I hope he’s also mad about hospitals being short-staffed due to cutting workers who don’t take the vax because that’s part of the shortage issue too.
chicos3, I just heard the head of one of Houston's largest hospitals being interviewed. He said their vaccine mandate only resulted in something like 0.2% of the workforce leaving. He said the mandate actually improved the staffing levels because, 1. Some workers said they'd quit if there wasn't a mandate because they didn't want to work next to infected co-workers, and 2. Hardly any workers call in sick because they're not infected with COVID (because they've been vaccinated).
I'm gonna ask you to be honest here, chicos3. I know that's not easy for you, but I'm gonna ask.
If you or a loved one or a close friend needed to go to the hospital today, would you rather the health-care workers be vaccinated, or would it be OK for you to be seen by somebody potentially infected with a highly contagious, deadly virus?
Thanks, and stay well!
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chicos3, I just heard the head of one of Houston's largest hospitals being interviewed. He said their vaccine mandate only resulted in something like 0.2% of the workforce leaving. He said the mandate actually improved the staffing levels because, 1. Some workers said they'd quit if there wasn't a mandate because they didn't want to work next to infected co-workers, and 2. Hardly any workers call in sick because they're not infected with COVID (because they've been vaccinated).
I'm gonna ask you to be honest here, chicos3. I know that's not easy for you, but I'm gonna ask.
If you or a loved one or a close friend needed to go to the hospital today, would you rather the health-care workers be vaccinated, or would it be OK for you to be seen by somebody potentially infected with a highly contagious, deadly virus?
Thanks, and stay well!
F*cking Olbermann 🤦♂️
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If you or a loved one or a close friend needed to go to the hospital today, would you rather the health-care workers be vaccinated, or would it be OK for you to be seen by somebody potentially infected with a highly contagious, deadly virus?
Thanks, and stay well!
Vaccinated people can be infected and spread Covid as well, so its not an either/or. Full disclosure, I am vaccinated, and feel every adult should be. Not sure there has been enough long term study on children, however.
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F*cking Olbermann 🤦♂️
Attaboy, statnik/chicos2!
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Vaccinated people can be infected and spread Covid as well, so its not an either/or. Full disclosure, I am vaccinated, and feel every adult should be. Not sure there has been enough long term study on children, however.
Non-smokers can die of lung cancer too. But your absolute and relative risk of dying of lung cancer are radically reduced by not smoking.
While vaccinated people can contract/spread Covid, their absolute and relative risk of both doing so and of enduring severe disease are radically reduced.