Heldt>Fisher

[GGGG]

The disappointment in Luke is that he had the makings of being a dominant collegiate center.

Not really. 

[B. McBannerson]

mine was a synopsis of posts #36 thru #41 or so. i guess you didn't catch that bicker-fest either.  brought back memories of the long car rides with my 3 brothers in the back seat of our '65 rambler station wagon.  we used to battle for the right rear passenger side as it was rusted thru and you could see the road pass by under the floor mat. we got pretty good at ducking quickly as my dad's backhands were legendary...oh, look at the pretty colored stars  

     sorry you're missing out on some really good stuff.  i'll try to knock 'er down a few levels

I get your stuff every time.  Some people just not trying or see who wrote it and don't try at all.   

[tower912]

I never viewed Luke as a great center.  I viewed him as a decent center with nice jump hooks.  Decent post defender, not good against the pick and roll.  His defensive deficiencies were exacerbated by the lack of size behind him.   His man would roll and it would be someone undersized trying to contest at the rim.
  Heldt has progressed like you want a 3 star big to.  He has a tremendous work ethic.  He will have more depth and size behind him during the next two years, so we can hope that his weaknesses can be covered.
   In the end, I expect that Luke will have better numbers.

[GGGG]

I get your stuff every time.  Some people just not trying or see who wrote it and don't try at all.   

To be fair, you are correct.  Most of rocket's stuff is just whining victimization.  I get enough of that from you. 

[MomofMUltiples]

  mom...he's looking at me...stop, no you stop, you're mental, no you're mental...mom...he touched me again, no i didn't, yes you did.....wait until your father comes home...oh shhhhhhh....

Don’t make me turn this car around!

[brewcity77]

Not really.

Disagreed. In Luke's first 7 games, he averaged 13.1 ppg/5.4 rpg/2.4 bpg. We waited a year for him to become eligible, and suddenly we had a guy who was a double-double threat every night, a block machine, and this was when he was just starting to acclimate to the system.

Now granted, some of those were against cupcakes, but there were also double-digit scoring nights against 3 high-majors. It was very promising. It was also a zone defense. Luke thrived in a zone where drivers were funneled into him and he could just stand pat in the middle and alter shots. He also looked great because he was largely the fourth scoring option on a team with ball-dominant guards like Carlino, Duane, and JJ. For a few weeks, it looked like we had a guy who could be highly productive on both ends and he was only a sophomore who would continue to get better.

Unfortunately, Luke's lack of foot-speed, which was largely covered up by the zone defense, never improved which meant when we switched to man defense he became more of a liability. Offensively, he was always productive, but never really developed much more than we saw initially. No mid-range or ability to step back and not a wealth of post moves.

But for a few weeks, it did look like we had a dominant guy in the making.

[B. McBannerson]

To be fair, you are correct.  Most of rocket's stuff is just whining victimization.  I get enough of that from you.

You know victimization apparently.

[GGGG]

Disagreed. In Luke's first 7 games, he averaged 13.1 ppg/5.4 rpg/2.4 bpg. We waited a year for him to become eligible, and suddenly we had a guy who was a double-double threat every night, a block machine, and this was when he was just starting to acclimate to the system.

Now granted, some of those were against cupcakes, but there were also double-digit scoring nights against 3 high-majors. It was very promising. It was also a zone defense. Luke thrived in a zone where drivers were funneled into him and he could just stand pat in the middle and alter shots. He also looked great because he was largely the fourth scoring option on a team with ball-dominant guards like Carlino, Duane, and JJ. For a few weeks, it looked like we had a guy who could be highly productive on both ends and he was only a sophomore who would continue to get better.

Unfortunately, Luke's lack of foot-speed, which was largely covered up by the zone defense, never improved which meant when we switched to man defense he became more of a liability. Offensively, he was always productive, but never really developed much more than we saw initially. No mid-range or ability to step back and not a wealth of post moves.

But for a few weeks, it did look like we had a dominant guy in the making.

Well you were deceived. I wasn’t.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I get your stuff every time.  Some people just not trying or see who wrote it and don't try at all.   

He completes you, doesn't he?

[MUEng92]

Watching Purdue vs Chicago State.  Heldt will have to watch his feet going against the size 22 shoe’d center for Purdue. Twisted ankles waiting to happen. 

Btw, they are good at hitting wide open threes so...you know...guard the perimeter

[4everwarriors]

Dudes can’t just let it hang, hey?

[GoldenDieners32]

After the MSM game its clear that Matt heldt will be an all american 

[Loose Cannon]

After the MSM game its clear that Matt heldt will be an all american 

Glad he has your support.

[GrimmReaper33]

I remember reading comments on here about Luke possibly leaving early for the NBA after the first few games in his Marquette career.  Now, Heldt is better than Luke ever was after one game this year.  Let's wait and see how the whole season goes.

Luke had his weaknesses, sure, but I think he was very unappreciated by many fans.  I think MU is going to miss him more this year than many expect. He was a pretty damn good offensive post player at the college level, and drew a lot of attention from opposing defenses.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Luke = Elite offensive center and terrible defensive center

Heldt (last season) = Bad (but not terrible) offensive center, average defensive center

Heldt (this season) = It's one game against a cupcake. We know nothing but so far so good.

All that really can be said about the topic

[Nukem2]

I remember reading comments on here about Luke possibly leaving early for the NBA after the first few games in his Marquette career.  Now, Heldt is better than Luke ever was after one game this year.  Let's wait and see how the whole season goes.

Luke had his weaknesses, sure, but I think he was very unappreciated by many fans.  I think MU is going to miss him more this year than many expect. He was a pretty damn good offensive post player at the college level, and drew a lot of attention from opposing defenses.

Yep.  Luke will be missed.  But, we move on.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I remember reading comments on here about Luke possibly leaving early for the NBA after the first few games in his Marquette career.  Now, Heldt is better than Luke ever was after one game this year.  Let's wait and see how the whole season goes.


Luke had his weaknesses, sure, but I think he was very unappreciated by many fans.  I think MU is going to miss him more this year than many expect. He was a pretty damn good offensive post player at the college level, and drew a lot of attention from opposing defenses.

I think it was long ago proven that MU was actually poorer off on possesions where we
force fed Luke in the post.  At the rate we shot 3 s last year luke was the poorer option.  His turnovers and his bad free thtow shhoting only made it worse.  Throw in the very poor rebounding on the other end, the fouling and the atrocious defense and it was hard for some to watch.  Thankfully, the coaches realized it was fools gold before the end of the season

[buckchuckler]

nm

[MU82]

Luke = Elite offensive center and terrible defensive center

Heldt (last season) = Bad (but not terrible) offensive center, average defensive center

Heldt (this season) = It's one game against a cupcake. We know nothing but so far so good.

All that really can be said about the topic

This. Of course.

But it's too much common sense, not enough bluster.

[muguru]

Just once, I'd love to see MU have a dominant back to the basket big, that when you threw it in to him, you knew it was a basket almost every single time.

[Lennys Tap]

Just once, I'd love to see MU have a dominant back to the basket big, that when you threw it in to him, you knew it was a basket almost every single time.

Like Big Sheesh?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Just once, I'd love to see MU have a dominant back to the basket big, that when you threw it in to him, you knew it was a basket almost every single time.

Like Big Sheesh?

My first thought as well.

My second thought,  Luke had an absurdly high eFG% so maybe we did have one last season.

[GGGG]

Just once, I'd love to see MU have a dominant back to the basket big, that when you threw it in to him, you knew it was a basket almost every single time.

Davante is as good as you are going to get.  "Dominant back to the basket bigs" are few and far between these days.

[#UnleashSean]

Just once, I'd love to see MU have a dominant back to the basket big, that when you threw it in to him, you knew it was a basket almost every single time.

I remember a certain 350 pound ox.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Just once, I'd love to see MU have a dominant back to the basket big, that when you threw it in to him, you knew it was a basket almost every single time.

I'd much rather have an athletic shot blocking and rebounding big. That would be a better fit for this team.