The Committee To Save College Basketball

[Benny B]

Hi guys was able to get some wifi in a friends office here in my home town. Signal is intermittent, but it'll do. Glad to see scoop has not changed 

This is what happens when you have too much electricity.  After the initial economic shock, it would probably do some good for society if power grids started going down for a couple days throughout the rest of the country.

[barfolomew]

This is what happens when you have too much electricity.  After the initial economic shock, it would probably do some good for society if power grids started going down for a couple days throughout the rest of the country.

You can't stop Scoop, silly man, you can only hope to contain it.

[MUDPT]

David Robinson has one son playing basketball at duke and another who played football at ND (also student body president). He's probably in tune with college athletics than 95% of the population.

[Tugg Speedman]

David Robinson has one son playing basketball at duke and another who played football at ND (also student body president). He's probably in tune with college athletics than 95% of the population.

The problem with this committee is they are going to preserve the status quo.  Paper over the broken system that has huge conflicts of interests.  Schools make tons of money off players but cannot pay them.  The incentives are all wrong and will be after this committee issues its useless zillion page report. (He's a life lesson ... anytime a committee brags how many hours they worked and how man pages their final report is, assume it is worthless and not worth your time to read.)

Now if the committee was truly interested in reforming the system, they would have picked:

* Jay Bilas instead of Mike Montgomery. (This committee is diminished because it did not include Bilas.  He should be heading it, not Condi.)
* Ed O'Bannon instead of David Robinson.
* Larry Brown instead of JT3
* If you're going to include crime bosses like Gene Smith and Jeremy Foley, then take Sonny Vaccaro.  At least Sonny will enlighten them as to how things really work.
* Mike Emmert's inclusion diminishes the committee. (He will defend the NCAA system that he heads.  Does the police chief investigate why his police department failed at something?)
* Cain Kolter and Mark Cuban would have been solid choices.  Is World Wide Wes going too far?

All of the above would have recommended serious reform of this system.  That is why they are nowhere to be seen on this list.

[rocket surgeon]

    good topic, very informative, pertinent to modern day college athletics and something i wouldn't have known about unless it popped up here.

     then classic scoop kicked in-heisy is forced to defend himself from being labeled the "R" word right out of the box, is attacked because of who he is, and we have to fear the lockdown- i'm not sure if it is some here being purposely provocative or some here really think we have secret white hoods posting here-seriously?  we are a little better than this

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

    good topic, very informative, pertinent to modern day college athletics and something i wouldn't have known about unless it popped up here.

     then classic scoop kicked in-heisy is forced to defend himself from being labeled the "R" word right out of the box, is attacked because of who he is, and we have to fear the lockdown- i'm not sure if it is some here being purposely provocative or some here really think we have secret white hoods posting here-seriously?  we are a little better than this

That's not exactly what happened. Heisy did something.  Someone (who I believe leans right but I could be wrong)  pointed out what he did and made sure to say that he didn't think heisy was the "r word" as you put it. No defense was required.  All he had to say was "whoops funny coincidence didn't mean anything by it". If anyone took it further,  than they would be the jerk.

And that is as far down this rabbit hole as I care to go.

[Herman Cain]

The problem with this committee is they are going to preserve the status quo.  Paper over the broken system that has huge conflicts of interests.  Schools make tons of money off players but cannot pay them.  The incentives are all wrong and will be after this committee issues its useless zillion page report. (He's a life lesson ... anytime a committee brags how many hours they worked and how man pages their final report is, assume it is worthless and not worth your time to read.)

Now if the committee was truly interested in reforming the system, they would have picked:

* Jay Bilas instead of Mike Montgomery. (This committee is diminished because it did not include Bilas.  He should be heading it, not Condi.)
* Ed O'Bannon instead of David Robinson.
* Larry Brown instead of JT3
* If you're going to include crime bosses like Gene Smith and Jeremy Foley, then take Sonny Vaccaro.  At least Sonny will enlighten them as to how things really work.
* Mike Emmert's inclusion diminishes the committee. (He will defend the NCAA system that he heads.  Does the police chief investigate why his police department failed at something?)
* Cain Kolter and Mark Cuban would have been solid choices.  Is World Wide Wes going too far?

All of the above would have recommended serious reform of this system.  That is why they are nowhere to be seen on this list.

The named players on committees are all figure heads. The staff does the actual advisory work. The recommendations, are as you point, are mostly worthless because people have their own agendas to tend to. Nonetheless, if we could get an NBA age limit of 21 recommendation out of the committee and the NBA and Their Union to go along with it , that would be a good thing. It would keep more good players in college basketball and directly benefit the weaker programs in college basketball at every level by spreading the talent.

[Tugg Speedman]

The named players on committees are all figure heads. The staff does the actual advisory work. The recommendations, are as you point, are mostly worthless because people have their own agendas to tend to. Nonetheless, if we could get an NBA age limit of 21 recommendation out of the committee and the NBA and Their Union to go along with it , that would be a good thing. It would keep more good players in college basketball and directly benefit the weaker programs in college basketball at every level by spreading the talent.

Yes the members are figureheads but they represent an agenda/ideology.  The current committee represents no change and some cosmetic tweaks.  It is a wasted opportunity to fix the broken system.

Cuban, again who is not on the committee, would push for 21 as he has said it many times (he does want to pay 1st rounders not ready).  If they wanted that, Cuban would be on the committee.  Since he is not, don’t expect it to happen.

O’bannon and Bilas would push for payment or a larger stipend to players.  Since neither is on the committee, that idea is not happening.

Smith and Foley I do not trust.  They have headed criminal organizations that have broken every rule in the book.  Look for them to say NCAA violations will mean harsher penalties for players and less for schools. 

So Smith hires Holtzmann and when he wins the B1G (and Smith gets a six figure bonus, yes that is how his contract is written), and we learn boosters are paying players at tOSU, Smith would argue the banner stays up, he keeps his bonus, and the booster and the kid are crushed.  To repeat, a kid who comes from a single family and takes money for his Mom who is in a project on Welfare is the Bad person and punished.  But don’t you touch that banner or Smith’s bonus.

As I said before Emmert is a useless bag of chemicals and only cares about Emmert.  He’ll argue he needs more money, including a raise for himself.  Emmert thinks the problem is he is underpaid.

[Tugg Speedman]

In 2014 Gene Smith was paid $18,000 as a bonus because an Ohio State wrestler won the NCAA championship.  But if an Ohio State booster bought that kid a pizza, he would have been ineligible and Smith would have punished him.  Remember this the next time this scumbag Smith argues their is not enough money to pay players.

Smith is the guy that is going to fix college basketball?  No, he’s the freaking problem!!!

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Ohio State AD Gene Smith's $18,000 bonus for Logan Stieber's NCAA wrestling title doesn't seem to go over very well
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2014/03/ohio_state_ad_gene_smiths_1800.html

When Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith received a contract extension in January, we were the first to get the details and point out a bonus that had already been in place in previous contracts.

It's a detail, in an era where the discussion of paying college athletes is more and more of a topic, that doesn't seem to be going over so well.

Smith receives a bonus every time Ohio State wins a national title in sports.

...

But this is the one that seems to grind people - he gets a week of bonus pay for an individual national title by an athlete. That's more than $18,000. So when Logan Stieber won his third NCAA wrestling title on Sunday, Smith's bonus kicked in.

[Tugg Speedman]

Read this statement and how can you not conclude this committee is really about protecting Mark Emmert’s Job and even getting him a raise.

(If one-and-done is a focus then put Calipari on it, or at least Cuban)

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.cleveland.com/osu/2017/10/ohio_state_ad_gene_smith_named.amp

In the statement released Tuesday, Emmert said the commission will focus on three areas:

1. The relationship of the NCAA national office, member institutions, student-athletes and coaches with outside entities, including: Apparel companies and other commercial entities, to establish an environment where they can support programs in a transparent way, but not become an inappropriate or distorting influence on the game, recruits or their families.

* Nonscholastic basketball, with a focus on the appropriate involvement of college coaches and others.

* Agents or advisors, with an emphasis on how students and their families can get legitimate advice without being taken advantage of, defrauded or risk their NCAA eligibility.

2. The NCAA's relationship with the NBA, and the challenging effect the NBA's so-called "one and done" rule has had on college basketball, including how the NCAA can change its own eligibility rules to address that dynamic.

3. Creating the right relationship between the universities and colleges of the NCAA and its national office to promote transparency and accountability. The commission will be asked to evaluate whether the appropriate degree of authority is vested in the current enforcement and eligibility processes, and whether the collaborative model provides the investigative tools, cultural incentives and structures to ensure exploitation and corruption cannot hide in college sports.

The commission will begin working in November, and deliver any recommendations on policy changes to the boards in April.

"We need to do right by student-athletes," Emmert said. "I believe we can -- and we must -- find a way to protect the integrity of college sports by addressing both sides of the coin: fairness and opportunity for college athletes, coupled with the enforcement capability to hold accountable those who undermine the standards of our community."

[B. McBannerson]

The problem with this committee is they are going to preserve the status quo.  Paper over the broken system that has huge conflicts of interests.  Schools make tons of money off players but cannot pay them.  The incentives are all wrong and will be after this committee issues its useless zillion page report. (He's a life lesson ... anytime a committee brags how many hours they worked and how man pages their final report is, assume it is worthless and not worth your time to read.)

Now if the committee was truly interested in reforming the system, they would have picked:

* Jay Bilas instead of Mike Montgomery. (This committee is diminished because it did not include Bilas.  He should be heading it, not Condi.)
* Ed O'Bannon instead of David Robinson.
* Larry Brown instead of JT3
* If you're going to include crime bosses like Gene Smith and Jeremy Foley, then take Sonny Vaccaro.  At least Sonny will enlighten them as to how things really work.
* Mike Emmert's inclusion diminishes the committee. (He will defend the NCAA system that he heads.  Does the police chief investigate why his police department failed at something?)
* Cain Kolter and Mark Cuban would have been solid choices.  Is World Wide Wes going too far?

All of the above would have recommended serious reform of this system.  That is why they are nowhere to be seen on this list.

Ed O'Bannon? Give me a break.  The guy had his hand out at UCLA and ever since.

Condi Rice led Stanford University, she understands college athletics and how to do it right.  She should stay.

David Robinson, stay.

Mark Cuban, not a chance. 

Jay Bilas, an interesting one but he never articulates his full position on these things. He can't wait to compensate basketball and football players, but refuses to answer the questions on what to do with the Title IX, non revenue sports, as if they don't exist. For a lawyer, he dodges the real questions to have some populist opinion.  Heading the committee?  Puuuhhhhlease.  Put him on there, fine, but he needs to have a balanced look on how to deal with everything.  You can't make decisions in a vacuum this comes to a grinding halt.

Mark Emmert, led the University of Washington.  NCAA President.  Yes, you need him on the committee.  This committee isn't to investigate the NCAA, it's about what may be of a benefit in terms of reforms.  The worst thing you can do is bring in a bunch of people (as companies often do) from the outside that make recommendations with no understanding at all on the ramifications.  Good to have some checks and balances, including internal people.

Schools do not make a ton of money off players. That is just wrong on the merits and the facts.  Show me the tons of money schools are making off women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, track, field hockey and the list that goes on forever? 

Larry Brown?  One too many last night?

[B. McBannerson]

What's missing from the committee is Adam Silver.  Many of the issues with college basketball are because of the NBA.  One leads to the other.  Put several members of the NBA PA, too.  Chris Paul, Steph Curry.   You want an owner, that's fine, but not Cuban.  Peter Holt, Paul Allen, Clay Bennett.

Until they tie the CBA of the NBA properly into eligibility issues with the NCAA, there will be some difficult problems.

[Dr. Blackheart]

What is missing from this rubber stamp committee is football representation.

[4everwarriors]

Markie Cuban is too busy runnin’ for POTUS, hey?

[Tugg Speedman]

Ed O'Bannon? Give me a break.  The guy had his hand out at UCLA and ever since.

Not sure what this means

Condi Rice led Stanford University, she understands college athletics and how to do it right.  She should stay.

This could be interpreted as the schools profiting off the "student-athlete."  Some think this is precisely the problem while you say it is "do it the right way."

David Robinson, stay.

Why?  Because he played D1 and has kids that play D1?  About 300,000 people have this qualification.

Mark Cuban, not a chance. 

Why not?

Jay Bilas, an interesting one but he never articulates his full position on these things. He can't wait to compensate basketball and football players, but refuses to answer the questions on what to do with the Title IX, non revenue sports, as if they don't exist. For a lawyer, he dodges the real questions to have some populist opinion.  Heading the committee?  Puuuhhhhlease.  Put him on there, fine, but he needs to have a balanced look on how to deal with everything.  You can't make decisions in a vacuum this comes to a grinding halt.

Bilas has articulated a position.  You expect him to publish white papers and full-blown analysis on this idea.  Instead, put him on a committee with resources to fully flesh it out ... unless they don't want this conclusion.

Mark Emmert, led the University of Washington.  NCAA President.  Yes, you need him on the committee.  This committee isn't to investigate the NCAA, it's about what may be of a benefit in terms of reforms.  The worst thing you can do is bring in a bunch of people (as companies often do) from the outside that make recommendations with no understanding at all on the ramifications.  Good to have some checks and balances, including internal people.

Poor argument, Emmert is on the committee to protect Emmert, not basketball.

Schools do not make a ton of money off players. That is just wrong on the merits and the facts.  Show me the tons of money schools are making off women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, track, field hockey and the list that goes on forever? 

See Gene Smith above, he made $18k off a Wrestling championship.  In total, he made $54k off Logan Stieber's three NCAA championships at tOSU.  Somehow Smith's wife gets a new BMW off Steiber's achievements but then we plead poor to giving Stieber money.  And I have not gotten into the arms race of facilities where these schools spend hundreds of millions on them.

There are craploads of money in college sports, they just don't want to pay the students.  Not paying college athletes in the most inequitable thing in sports.

Larry Brown?  One too many last night?

I said Brown instead of JT3 ... the very definition of a coach bought and paid for by a shoe contract.  His freaking father invented the idea!!

[brewcity77]

Larry Brown? You mean the guy who had sanctions levied at EVERY collegiate coaching stop he ever had? The guy who had a Final Four vacated at UCLA? The guy who left Kansas right before they were given a NCAA Tournament ban? The guy who had to sit out games, suffer a postseason ban, and three years of probation at SMU?

I suppose no one knows more about cheating than Larry Brown, so he could probably give them a better expert opinion than literally anyone on the planet, but if you want to clean the sport up, I'm not sure you pick the sport's best example of festering pustule sewage to push the mop.

[Tugg Speedman]

Larry Brown? You mean the guy who had sanctions levied at EVERY collegiate coaching stop he ever had? The guy who had a Final Four vacated at UCLA? The guy who left Kansas right before they were given a NCAA Tournament ban? The guy who had to sit out games, suffer a postseason ban, and three years of probation at SMU?

I suppose no one knows more about cheating than Larry Brown, so he could probably give them a better expert opinion than literally anyone on the planet, but if you want to clean the sport up, I'm not sure you pick the sport's best example of festering pustule sewage to push the mop.

Ok fair enough ... but the problem is most coaches are tainted ... sneaker money is the root of this scandal and JT3 takes sneaker money.  He's just as conflicted.

Maybe they should have taken The Tanned One.  18 years without a hint of dirty dealings.

[TheyWereCones]

I don't understand how getting free tuition, room & board, etc. is not already the equivalent of getting paid? Because I sure would have left MU with a lot less debt if I had those things paid for. I just don't understand the position that student athletes don't get anything. Is a free education nothing?

[MUDPT]

Ed O'Bannon? Give me a break.  The guy had his hand out at UCLA and ever since.

Not sure what this means

Condi Rice led Stanford University, she understands college athletics and how to do it right.  She should stay.

This could be interpreted as the schools profiting off the "student-athlete."  Some think this is precisely the problem while you say it is "do it the right way."

David Robinson, stay.

Why?  Because he played D1 and has kids that play D1?  About 300,000 people have this qualification.

Mark Cuban, not a chance. 

Why not?

Jay Bilas, an interesting one but he never articulates his full position on these things. He can't wait to compensate basketball and football players, but refuses to answer the questions on what to do with the Title IX, non revenue sports, as if they don't exist. For a lawyer, he dodges the real questions to have some populist opinion.  Heading the committee?  Puuuhhhhlease.  Put him on there, fine, but he needs to have a balanced look on how to deal with everything.  You can't make decisions in a vacuum this comes to a grinding halt.

Bilas has articulated a position.  You expect him to publish white papers and full-blown analysis on this idea.  Instead, put him on a committee with resources to fully flesh it out ... unless they don't want this conclusion.

Mark Emmert, led the University of Washington.  NCAA President.  Yes, you need him on the committee.  This committee isn't to investigate the NCAA, it's about what may be of a benefit in terms of reforms.  The worst thing you can do is bring in a bunch of people (as companies often do) from the outside that make recommendations with no understanding at all on the ramifications.  Good to have some checks and balances, including internal people.

Poor argument, Emmert is on the committee to protect Emmert, not basketball.

Schools do not make a ton of money off players. That is just wrong on the merits and the facts.  Show me the tons of money schools are making off women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, track, field hockey and the list that goes on forever? 

See Gene Smith above, he made $18k off a Wrestling championship.  In total, he made $54k off Logan Stieber's three NCAA championships at tOSU.  Somehow Smith's wife gets a new BMW off Steiber's achievements but then we plead poor to giving Stieber money.  And I have not gotten into the arms race of facilities where these schools spend hundreds of millions on them.

There are craploads of money in college sports, they just don't want to pay the students.  Not paying college athletes in the most inequitable thing in sports.

Larry Brown?  One too many last night?

I said Brown instead of JT3 ... the very definition of a coach bought and paid for by a shoe contract.  His freaking father invented the idea!!

There are 300,000 people that played D1 and have kids that played D1?

[Jockey]

I don't understand how getting free tuition, room & board, etc. is not already the equivalent of getting paid? Because I sure would have left MU with a lot less debt if I had those things paid for. I just don't understand the position that student athletes don't get anything. Is a free education nothing?

Would you have produced large revenues for the school?

[TheyWereCones]

Would you have produced large revenues for the school?

I'm not suggesting that I should have been paid. I'm stating that student athletes who receive a full scholarship are getting paid. Tuition costs money. Room & board costs money. The Whole Foods meals they get to eat cost money, and the list goes on and on. These are all things that your average MU student, like I was, has to pay for that they don't have to.

Would it be clearer if instead of giving them a scholarship, we added up the cost of everything that they get for free, and cut them a big check each year and made them pay for everything out of pocket? It's the same dollar amount either way.

Add it up and by the time they graduate, they have received incentives for being a student athlete that likely trickle well into six figures that regular students have to pay for, often continuing for many years after graduation.

My point is, that anyone who wants to argue for student athletes to be paid needs to first acknowledge that they are getting paid, and that they must be arguing for additional payment for them beyond what is already received. In other words, Nigel Hayes can suck it.

[Tugg Speedman]

I'm not suggesting that I should have been paid. I'm stating that student athletes who receive a full scholarship are getting paid. Tuition costs money. Room & board costs money. The Whole Foods meals they get to eat cost money, and the list goes on and on. These are all things that your average MU student, like I was, has to pay for that they don't have to.

Would it be clearer if instead of giving them a scholarship, we added up the cost of everything that they get for free, and cut them a big check each year and made them pay for everything out of pocket? It's the same dollar amount either way.

Add it up and by the time they graduate, they have received incentives for being a student athlete that likely trickle well into six figures that regular students have to pay for, often continuing for many years after graduation.

My point is, that anyone who wants to argue for student athletes to be paid needs to first acknowledge that they are getting paid, and that they must be arguing for additional payment for them beyond what is already received. In other words, Nigel Hayes can suck it.

Paying every athlete the same (free tuition) is the problem, that is not how life works.  Those that complain that "everyone gets a trophy" should understand this.

So first let's acknowledge that 80% to 90% of all athletes in all sports are well paid with free tuition and value that.  The problem is the 10% to 20% that matter is worth more than free tuition.  And the top 1% to 5% do not value the free tuition and view it as a hindrance to their training for a future professional career.  So those are the athletes that need to be paid. 

And without them, a program is greatly diminished.  So, let school find the right value for players by paying them.  When that happens, most of the problems college athletics have will go away. 

It is because we don't pay everyone their worth that college athletics are such a mess.

[war1980rior]

Glad to see identity politics is alive and well here.  Keep it up and the 22nd amendment will be suspended so Trump can be the permanent President.

But if counting Black v White is how you measure things, and Benny you worry me, then here ...

Mark Emmert is nothing but a useless bags of chemicals.  Why is he even allowed to take in oxygen

Jenkins is there to be the Holy than thou looking down on everyone condescendingly

Kathryn Ruemmier is the worst kind of person in the world, one of those "swamp" creatures that infect Washington.  Here resume alone should make one vomit.

Foley, another person that can tell everyone "back in the day" stories about how the Gators arranged bags of cash for players.  Is he qualified because Florida leads all D1 sports in the number of arrests every year?

Coleman .... why???

Peterson .... why???

Oh, and for the record ...

* I think Condi is great and would vote for her if she ran for President.  This ceremonial do nothing committee is behenate her. 

* Hill and Robinson bring too little to the table because a high PPG average or a long NBA career does not make you qualified to fixed the cheating and paying of players in college basketball.  Good people on the wrong committee picked for name value, not the ability to solve this problem.

* I offer no more explanation for my comments about Smith and JTIII.  The sooner Smith is in prison the sooner college sports are better off.  You can take this to the Tatoo parlor!!

I know only what most do about this list of saviors, but the one I've been in close contact with makes me believe there is more to each than meets the eye.

David Robinson?  Qualified ACADEMICALLY for the Naval Academy.  Was pulled out to play ball since at 6'8" was the tallest kid in the class of '87.  Majored im Mathmatics or Computer Science (the otherr was a minor).  The gentleman is flat out intelligent, and if he wasn't a ball player, would have gone on to be a Nuclear engineer (had a high GPA).  One of the first thing they learn at the Academy is 'Midshipmen do not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate others that do.'

I recognize a lot of people on this list are probably there to encourage this problem to go away, but David Robinson is about as strong a character guy as you will find.

[Tugg Speedman]

I know only what most do about this list of saviors, but the one I've been in close contact with makes me believe there is more to each than meets the eye.

David Robinson?  Qualified ACADEMICALLY for the Naval Academy.  Was pulled out to play ball since at 6'8" was the tallest kid in the class of '87.  Majored im Mathmatics or Computer Science (the otherr was a minor).  The gentleman is flat out intelligent, and if he wasn't a ball player, would have gone on to be a Nuclear engineer (had a high GPA).  One of the first thing they learn at the Academy is 'Midshipmen do not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate others that do.'

I recognize a lot of people on this list are probably there to encourage this problem to go away, but David Robinson is about as strong a character guy as you will find.

Here is a summary of the tasks that the committee are directed to deal with.  Robinson' qualifications, as you list them above, suggest he has no more insight or knowledge about these issues than any regular poster here ...

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1. The relationship of the NCAA national office, member institutions, student-athletes and coaches with outside entities, including: Apparel companies and other commercial entities, to establish an environment where they can support programs in a transparent way, but not become an inappropriate or distorting influence on the game, recruits or their families.

* Nonscholastic basketball, with a focus on the appropriate involvement of college coaches and others.

* Agents or advisors, with an emphasis on how students and their families can get legitimate advice without being taken advantage of, defrauded or risk their NCAA eligibility.

2. The NCAA's relationship with the NBA, and the challenging effect the NBA's so-called "one and done" rule has had on college basketball, including how the NCAA can change its own eligibility rules to address that dynamic.

3. Creating the right relationship between the universities and colleges of the NCAA and its national office to promote transparency and accountability. The commission will be asked to evaluate whether the appropriate degree of authority is vested in the current enforcement and eligibility processes, and whether the collaborative model provides the investigative tools, cultural incentives and structures to ensure exploitation and corruption cannot hide in college sports.

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Robinson is a bright and highly successful person.  Here is a role model.  But he probably has not thought about sneaker money in basketball for more than three seconds until he was named to this committee.  Your qualifications make that clear.

So, what do highly educated successful people like him and Condi do?  They agree with the consensus.  What is the consensus?  The people that have thought about sneaker money in basketball like Foley, Smith JT3 and Emmert.  Their point of view will prevail.  That is it stays with some BS transparency rules.

None of them are going to suggest a radical change like a Bilas, O'Bannon or Cuban might.  Robinson certainly is not. So nothing of substance will come of it.

You watch, Condi will hold a presser in April and brag about the hundreds of hours the committee spend investigating these issues (meaning getting them to a MUscoop poster understanding of the issue), the thousands of pages of documents to review (that Smith an Emmert told them to read to understand the issue from their point of view) and the length of the report.  These are codes words for nothing will change and everyone's time was wasted.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I'm glad Heisy is around to tell exactly how everyone thinks. His telepathy is a true gift!