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Tugg Speedman

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Re: The Committee To Save College Basketball
« Reply #100 on: October 17, 2017, 07:25:49 PM »
Doesn't this just prove that shady sh*t will happen no matter what?

I think there are ways to reasonably regulate this if players are allowed to profit off their likenesses. And people will find ways around those regulations....but it won't be as shady because there will be more legal options that recruits can utilize.

If you allow one this then you have an unequal system.  Allow everything and this stops being a problem.

(Allow everything = treat them like professionals)

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« Reply #101 on: October 17, 2017, 08:37:33 PM »
If you allow one this then you have an unequal system.  Allow everything and this stops being a problem.

(Allow everything = treat them like professionals)

The professionals have an unequal system too. There will always be haves and have nots in college basketball. That's a non-issue. I think there is a way to open the door for profiting off of likenesses without making it the free for all that you are hoping for.
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Re: The Committee To Save College Basketball
« Reply #102 on: October 17, 2017, 10:44:19 PM »
The 65 power six schools ... yes.

Here is an example ... nearly every school has one (or more) of these boosters ...

Which is it? You said all schools. Now it's 65 schools, which is still ridiculous.  When do you stomp with the massive overstatements?  You're using one example and saying means all?  And you wonder why some of us question when you say an industry is already dead, when it isn't. When you say electric cars will be in the majority in 4 years, when it won't. So on and so forth.  You make good points and then destroy them by assigning to all situations. 

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« Reply #103 on: October 17, 2017, 10:45:03 PM »
What's your point?  Becuase Manziel was irresponsible that no one should get money?

My point, the symbolism speaks volumes.

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Re: The Committee To Save College Basketball
« Reply #104 on: October 18, 2017, 01:48:21 AM »
Which is it? You said all schools. Now it's 65 schools, which is still ridiculous.  When do you stomp with the massive overstatements?  You're using one example and saying means all?  And you wonder why some of us question when you say an industry is already dead, when it isn't. When you say electric cars will be in the majority in 4 years, when it won't. So on and so forth.  You make good points and then destroy them by assigning to all situations.

You're diverting ... when I said: "all schools" the qualifier which you know I meant was "all schools that care about succeeding in sports at a high D1 level."  So stop with this suggestion that I meant boosters at the University of Chicago funneling money to their athletes.  That is not what was suggested here and you know it.

Have no idea where you came up with that stat about electric cars as I believe it was 2040. 

Read a few posts above about Roy Adams and no he is not unusual ... there are a ton of boosters like him doing this all over the place.

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« Reply #105 on: October 18, 2017, 01:55:08 AM »
The professionals have an unequal system too. There will always be haves and have nots in college basketball. That's a non-issue. I think there is a way to open the door for profiting off of likenesses without making it the free for all that you are hoping for.

Again ... waiting in the driveway for Wojo to finish a recruit in-home visit is MU booster(s) to walk in next and offer him a likeness contract if he chooses MU.  Ditto every other school that cares about succeeding in college basketball at a high D1 level (precise enough wording Chicos??)

You cannot go part way.  If you are going to start down this road, have to go all the way.  Let the MU Blue/Gold fundraise to pay basketball players and let Wojo offer the contract in the in-home directly (and part of that will be a likeness contract).  Otherwise, it is just another way to abuse the system.

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« Reply #106 on: October 18, 2017, 08:41:52 AM »
Again ... waiting in the driveway for Wojo to finish a recruit in-home visit is MU booster(s) to walk in next and offer him a likeness contract if he chooses MU.  Ditto every other school that cares about succeeding in college basketball at a high D1 level (precise enough wording Chicos??)

You cannot go part way.  If you are going to start down this road, have to go all the way.  Let the MU Blue/Gold fundraise to pay basketball players and let Wojo offer the contract in the in-home directly (and part of that will be a likeness contract).  Otherwise, it is just another way to abuse the system.

Again...you are missing the point. The goal is not to create a system where nobody cheats, that system does not exist. Some people cheat when playing monopoly with their grandma. If you 100% deregulate a player profiting off their likeness, and recruits at UNLV are advertising for their favorite escort service and recruits at Colorado are advertising for their favorite weed dispensary, some handlers and some universities will still find other ways to break the rules and get ahead.

The point is to create a system where the athletes are paid reasonable and fair compensation for their services without destroying college sports in the process. Allow players to profit off their likeness after they have arrived on campus. Yes, some people will abuse it, others won't. Less people will abuse it than they do now because players will have more legal channels to make money. NCAA will still go after those that abuse it, usually they won't catch them but every once in awhile they will and sanction them enough to at least offset their competitive advantage for a little bit. In other words, roughly the same system we have now except the players are getting better compensated and are theoretically more satisfied.....and I get my NCAA Football/Basketball video games back  ;D
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Re: The Committee To Save College Basketball
« Reply #107 on: October 18, 2017, 10:07:04 AM »
Again...you are missing the point. The goal is not to create a system where nobody cheats, that system does not exist. Some people cheat when playing monopoly with their grandma. If you 100% deregulate a player profiting off their likeness, and recruits at UNLV are advertising for their favorite escort service and recruits at Colorado are advertising for their favorite weed dispensary, some handlers and some universities will still find other ways to break the rules and get ahead.

The point is to create a system where the athletes are paid reasonable and fair compensation for their services without destroying college sports in the process. Allow players to profit off their likeness after they have arrived on campus. Yes, some people will abuse it, others won't. Less people will abuse it than they do now because players will have more legal channels to make money. NCAA will still go after those that abuse it, usually they won't catch them but every once in awhile they will and sanction them enough to at least offset their competitive advantage for a little bit. In other words, roughly the same system we have now except the players are getting better compensated and are theoretically more satisfied.....and I get my NCAA Football/Basketball video games back  ;D

To be clear, as I said above, I'm in favor of this for all the reason you stated.  I just want them to go farther than this.

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« Reply #108 on: October 18, 2017, 10:16:33 AM »
To be clear, as I said above, I'm in favor of this for all the reason you stated.  I just want them to go farther than this.

I'm aware. And I disagree.
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Re: The Committee To Save College Basketball
« Reply #109 on: October 18, 2017, 01:56:20 PM »
Again...you are missing the point. The goal is not to create a system where nobody cheats, that system does not exist. Some people cheat when playing monopoly with their grandma. If you 100% deregulate a player profiting off their likeness, and recruits at UNLV are advertising for their favorite escort service and recruits at Colorado are advertising for their favorite weed dispensary, some handlers and some universities will still find other ways to break the rules and get ahead.

The point is to create a system where the athletes are paid reasonable and fair compensation for their services without destroying college sports in the process. Allow players to profit off their likeness after they have arrived on campus. Yes, some people will abuse it, others won't. Less people will abuse it than they do now because players will have more legal channels to make money. NCAA will still go after those that abuse it, usually they won't catch them but every once in awhile they will and sanction them enough to at least offset their competitive advantage for a little bit. In other words, roughly the same system we have now except the players are getting better compensated and are theoretically more satisfied.....and I get my NCAA Football/Basketball video games back  ;D

trying to institute a payment of some sort is scary risky.  it sets up some nasty scenarios.  send lawyers guns and money-hello free agent lamelo...beginning in 8th grade?  new york, los angeles, chicago, etc have a distinct advantage of being big market cities. 

   i get your point however-regardless of what rules are in place and their respective penalties-many are willing to take the risk.  all the "big dogs" create layers to penetrate in order to get to "the man"-i.e. the pitinos, calipari's, william's and shashefski's.   in these cases, the assistants and the towel boy take the fall.  at the university of ottumwa, the head coach is skewered
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Re: The Committee To Save College Basketball
« Reply #110 on: October 22, 2017, 02:10:51 PM »
You're diverting ... when I said: "all schools" the qualifier which you know I meant was "all schools that care about succeeding in sports at a high D1 level."  So stop with this suggestion that I meant boosters at the University of Chicago funneling money to their athletes.  That is not what was suggested here and you know it.

Have no idea where you came up with that stat about electric cars as I believe it was 2040. 

Read a few posts above about Roy Adams and no he is not unusual ... there are a ton of boosters like him doing this all over the place.

I'm not diverting, I'm reading what you wrote.  If you think that is diverting, then write more clearly without the hyperbolic crazy toppers that take some of your good points and render then useless. 

There are Roy Adams in some places, that doesn't mean it is everywhere or even in your third version at all the P5 schools.  Exceptions don't equal the rules.