MUscoop Is A Microcosm Of The Country

[warriorchick]

If we take out the California schools, I'm sure we would jump up the rankings. If Lovell isn't pushing for California secession, he should be out.

California's secession would certainly help MU's goal of attracting more foreign students.....

[cheebs09]

California's secession would certainly help MU's goal of attracting more foreign students.....

[GWSwarrior]

The typical superbar thread descends into a political argument with both sides yelling and belittling the other side.  Yes, I'm as guilty as the rest.  Because modern political arguments are no longer about finding common ground.  They are about who screams the loudest to bludgeon their opponent into submission.  It's all about winning, not about common ground.

The superbar is a microcosm of the country

This charts below come from a study of every vote back to 1879

https://legacy.voteview.com/political_polarization_2015.htm

Below are graphs of the difference between the Republican and Democratic Party.  It averages the voting record of each party.  More positive numbers mean more conservative.  More negative numbers mean more liberal.

The chart shows that since 1879 the Republicans are more conservative than ever.  The Democrats are the most liberal in 100 years.




The next chart shows the distance between the Republican and Democrat voting record.  The record peaks mean the Republicans and Democrats are further apart than any-time in history.



The percentage of "non-centrists" in the Senate is the highest in history.  This is driven largely by Republicans (red line, 61% are non-centrists, the highest ever).  Democrats are in blue (highest in 40 years) and the overall chamber in black is the highest ever



Same chart for the House, same conclusion.



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The charts above do not include the current Congress, which could be the most polarized ever.

538 tracks the voting of the current Congression session (which started in January 2017).

Here is the Senate record.  Sort by "Trump Score"

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

You will notice zero overlap.  All the Democrats are on one side and all the Republicans are on the other side.

Ditto the House.  Again, sort by "Trump Score".  Of 435 members, only 5 overlap, the other 430 are lined up on one side or the other.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/house/




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no just stop. you've always used incorrect information and factual errors to make your claim, and yet when this has been pointed out you double down. you are the Donald Trump of Scoop

[brewcity77]

You’re out of date ... the dominant media companies are Google (which owns the largest broadcast network in the world, YouTube), Facebook (which also owns instagram), Microsoft, Yahoo and Baidu (China).

And when you go to Google, it links you to... 

[PBRme]

Whoever pays the most ?

[Benny B]

The only thing I can agree with in this thread is where Topper says the US won't have 50 states a century from now... I think he's right because we'll probably have 52 - the 50 we currently have plus whatever the USVI and PR decide to call themselves (Puerto Virginia) and whatever Guam and the Marianas decide to call themselves (Guamiana).


The ship sailed on secession a couple centuries ago.  Doesn't matter what the studies say, economically, it would be disastrous for both for no other reason than disrupting the perceived credit rating of the US, thus causing both interest rates to skyrocket and ultimately devaluing the dollar.

Now, if the federal debt were ever paid off, then we can start talking probability.  Until then, Topper has a better chance of getting Taylor Swift in a three-way with Angela Lansbury than California (or any state for that matter) has of seceding.  Take that to the bank.

[mu03eng]

The only thing I can agree with in this thread is where Topper says the US won't have 50 states a century from now... I think he's right because we'll probably have 52 - the 50 we currently have plus whatever the USVI and PR decide to call themselves (Puerto Virginia) and whatever Guam and the Marianas decide to call themselves (Guamiana).


The ship sailed on secession a couple centuries ago.  Doesn't matter what the studies say, economically, it would be disastrous for both for no other reason than disrupting the perceived credit rating of the US, thus causing both interest rates to skyrocket and ultimately devaluing the dollar.

Now, if the federal debt were ever paid off, then we can start talking probability.  Until then, Topper has a better chance of getting Taylor Swift in a three-way with Angela Lansbury than California (or any state for that matter) has of seceding.  Take that to the bank.

PR won't ever be a state. The population is split in thirds, a third who wants to go independent, a third that want to become a state, and a third that wants to maintain the status quo. Any vote, the status quo group joins the opposition to vote it down by 2/3s.

Maybe in changes post-Maria, but who knows.

[mu_hilltopper]

The reason I think it has a chance is that ..  the world is broken.  Voters are broken.   Politics and politicians are broken, globally.   The courts, perhaps the last bastion of honesty and justice .. is political and broken.

What the "experts" claim will happen is now discounted by the voters, and those in power.    Facts are just as often rejected than accepted.  Political tribes are everything.

Secession is a long shot.  So was Brexit and Trump. 

If you think you can predict what's going to happen in politics next week or next year .. good luck with that. 

I'm bullish on chaos, and what you know for sure what will not happen .. has a way greater chance than everyone thinks.

[Hards Alumni]

The reason I think it has a chance is that ..  the world is broken.  Voters are broken.   Politics and politicians are broken, globally.   The courts, perhaps the last bastion of honesty and justice .. is political and broken.

What the "experts" claim will happen is now discounted by the voters, and those in power.    Facts are just as often rejected than accepted.  Political tribes are everything.

Succession is a long shot.  So was Brexit and Trump. 

If you think you can predict what's going to happen in politics next week or next year .. good luck with that. 

I'm bullish on chaos, and what you know for sure what will not happen .. has a way greater chance than everyone thinks.

100%

[Babybluejeans]

The reason I think it has a chance is that ..  the world is broken.  Voters are broken.   Politics and politicians are broken, globally.   The courts, perhaps the last bastion of honesty and justice .. is political and broken.

What the "experts" claim will happen is now discounted by the voters, and those in power.    Facts are just as often rejected than accepted.  Political tribes are everything.

Secession is a long shot.  So was Brexit and Trump. 

If you think you can predict what's going to happen in politics next week or next year .. good luck with that. 

I'm bullish on chaos, and what you know for sure what will not happen .. has a way greater chance than everyone thinks.

Indeed. Laws of physics say that systems become more disordered over time. Why would political systems be different? We're already watching it happen rapidly in real time.

[Tugg Speedman]

You have a habit of burying living things well before their time.  I saw a cab yesterday in New York, in fact 100's of them but you told me that industry died.  You said not long ago that electric cars will dominate in 5 years, which everyone here knows is wrong.  In this instance you mixing delivery vs actual media creation. 

Google does not own the largest broadcast network, they don't own the internet.  YouTube sits on the internet, it is a destination.  Yes, they drive massive volume, but that is not where people are obtaining their news in masses, and certainly not at the age groups that matter at this point.

You are correct on the ad budget spend, but one should also look at the conversions of those spends which is highly enlightening.

Four years ago NYC taxi medallion was $1.3 million.  Today it is worth $241,000, a 15 year low.
Six years ago 13,000 NYC taxis and 0 Uber/lyft cars.  Today, 13,000 NYC taxis and 50,000 Uber/Lyft cars.
But hey you saw a taxi in NYC so this Uber thingy is overhyped.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-is-a-nyc-taxi-medallion-worth-these-days/

Regarding Google/Facebook ... don't all the political consultants feel like idiots spending million and millions on ads when this is the story today ... just get a computer and some electricity and you can elect anyone, TV is irrelevant.  Because the news TODAY is a couple of Russian programmers flooded Facebook with ads while Hillary was spending a $1 billion and these ads did more to elect Trump than Hillary's $$$.  I guess this is either fake news or TV is irrelevant.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/04/facebook-russia-ads-michigan-wisconsin/

[Tugg Speedman]

no just stop. you've always used incorrect information and factual errors to make your claim, and yet when this has been pointed out you double down. you are the Donald Trump of Scoop

Why don't you enlighten us all as to what the Princeton professors got wrong in this post?

And how is the first post in a thread a "double down."

[B. McBannerson]

Four years ago NYC taxi medallion was $1.3 million.  Today it is worth $241,000, a 15 year low.
Six years ago 13,000 NYC taxis and 0 Uber/lyft cars.  Today, 13,000 NYC taxis and 50,000 Uber/Lyft cars.
But hey you saw a taxi in NYC so this Uber thingy is overhyped.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-is-a-nyc-taxi-medallion-worth-these-days/

Regarding Google/Facebook ... don't all the political consultants feel like idiots spending million and millions on ads when this is the story today ... just get a computer and some electricity and you can elect anyone, TV is irrelevant.  Because the news TODAY is a couple of Russian programmers flooded Facebook with ads while Hillary was spending a $1 billion and these ads did more to elect Trump than Hillary's $$$.  I guess this is either fake news or TV is irrelevant.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/04/facebook-russia-ads-michigan-wisconsin/

Will cabs eventually be dead, likely.  May I suggest in the future instead of burying live businesses, you portray it that down the road and in the future that industry will be gone. Instead you declare patients dead and they are standing right next to you breathing air.

Your Facebook comments are out of touch with reality.  First of all, Hillary spent plenty on social media, too.  You are giving way too much credit to Facebook ads.  How many ads do you see on Facebook that you do not act on, 99%?  How about all the people that don't have Facebook, don't even tap into social media?  Which tends to be older folks who vote?  And even those that see these ads, how are you going to decide how effective they were? Was it a Facebook ad that made them vote that way, or was it their dilusion with the previous 8 years?  Was it their concern on the war on terror, illegal immigration, health care costs, or other issues? Instead, you think it's because of Facebook ads?

How about we use Occam's Razor for a minute

• She visited Wisconsin 0.0 times in the 12 months leading to the election.  Her opponent visited there 7 times.  Meanwhile she went to California 13 times to fund raise in a state impossible for her to lose
• Millions of voters that were excited to vote for Obama, didn't bother to vote in this election. She couldn't rally them
• The last time Democrats won three straight terms in the Oval office was during WWII
• She ran a horrible campaign. Bernie voters and her don't mix well
• Her health, which many denied was an issue, then she collapses in September with video for all to see
• Goldman Sachs speeches - dumb
• Calling half the country Deplorables - dumb
• Denying her emails, denying she scrubbed them, just lie after lie - dumb.  The coverup is always the most damaging
• Not listening to their own data people that said the polls are wrong, you are in trouble in many of these states.
• A Clinton has never won 50% of the vote in a presidential election. They are not a popular family
• Her rallies, people not energized.  His, people were very energized
• DNC rigging their own primary pissed off many liberal voters who sat out or voted someone else
• Wikilieaks emails that showed vast corruption by the DNC and her campaign
• Polls? Polls have been so dramatically wrong the last 5 years why do people even bother? Poll takers lie, poll questions skewed, poll sampling not credible
• The economy was so so.  Unemployment decent, low wages and people not getting ahead.
• She was untrustworthy, as was he.  Two deplorable candidates

But Facebook ads - uhm, ok.