Oh Georgetown...

[GGGG]

Georgetown message boards are funny.  One guy thought they just wanted their players to be able to go home over Thanksgiving.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I hope the Hoya guys chimes in soon to tell us he expects them to be a 2 seed again this year.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

The only reasonable explanation I've heard is that Ewing doesn't want to go to a Nike event because if his own shoe company.

Who knows, maybe Jordan an Georgetown are on the outs.

[jsglow]

I hope the Hoya guys chimes in soon to tell us he expects them to be a 2 seed again this year.

  I thought the same thing.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Just saw this on the Hoya board:

It's August 1 and Georgetown has exactly one non-conference game scheduled. Nearly 100 schools have already finalized schedules and another 100-150 have partial schedules. No other school save Syracuse lists Georgetown on their schedule.

If this is true they are going to have a really brutal non-conference schedule, which is bad news for the rest of the Big East.

[GooooMarquette]

Bad look for GTown.  Take your lumps your first couple of seasons, maybe pull off some memorable upsets along the way, and get valuable experience for the new players.

Or start making calls to the RPI 200-300 crowd....

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I just feel like there has to be more to the story here.

[Spotcheck Billy]

IMO it looks even worse for Ewing to have waited until now to announce this instead of making this known back in April.

[mu03eng]

Live look in at Georgetown program:


What Scoop would look like if this bull$hit were pulled in year one of anyone after Crean:

[Herman Cain]

I think it benefited The Johnnies and Mullin when they stuck to their hard schedule their first season, they were a much improved team last year and look to be on the uptrend again this year.

Georgetown would benefit from taking the same approach the Johnnies did and taking the necessary medicine.  At a minimum it always helps recruiting to say your playing top notch opponents every year. In addition Georgetowns problem is recent years is too many loses to weak teams in Non conference. I think they are better off playing quality.

[The Lens]

DePaul dropped out of the Wooden Legacy to join the PK Invite.  They are being replaced by Sacramento State.  Wooden Legacy is owned by ESPN and I think ESPN is a host of the PK Invite. 

With all things college basketball, ESPN's fingerprints are very much all over this.

[naginiF]

What Scoop would look like if this bull$hit were pulled in year one of anyone after Crean:

Isn't that close to what we looked like after Wojo's SOS the first two years?

[brewcity77]

If this is true they are going to have a really brutal non-conference schedule, which is bad news for the rest of the Big East.

I don't believe that for a second. Just because they haven't announced their schedule doesn't mean they don't have other games scheduled. Now maybe they haven't found the other games, but it seems highly unlikely it will be Syracuse and 9 buy games.

Though if it is, and the pulled out of the PK80, that's even worse.

[Jay Bee]

Teams are limited to one tournament. It counts as one game but allows for up to four games played. So our tournament in Maui will have 3 games on the island and one on the mainland (Mount St. Mary's) but only count as one on the schedule.

The schedule allows you to play 10 non-conference games, but if one of those is an exempt tournament you can get 12-13 games.

Interestingly, last year North Carolina actually played 14 non-conference games. Not sure how that worked but one of the teams was Chaminade, who is D2 and thus doesn't count towards RPI. Maybe they were given an exemption because of it.

Not quite right. I'll try to explain the schedule maximums as well as the UNC matter.

First, you can play either 29 games if you're not in a qualified exempt tourney... or you can play 27 games, plus a qualified exempt tourney. This tourney could be 2, 3 or 4 games. The rules have nothing to do, directly, with nonconference games.

In MU's case, where they have 18 conference games, they can either play up to 11 nonconference games and not participate in a qualified exempt tourney... OR the norm.. which is play up to 9 nonconference games, plus a qualified exempt tourney, which may be 2, 3 or 4 games.

Now, regarding UNC and their 32 game regular season (including one against a non-DI school)... their "extra" game appears to have nothing to do with the Maui tournament. Rather, they scheduled a game before it at Hawaii, a D-I member institution.

Section 17.3.5.3(f) is the "Regular-Season Contest Against Alaska/Hawaii Member" annual exemption. By rule, one regular-season game in Hawaii or Alaska versus a member institution located in that state may be excluded from the season-max number.

So, it was a non-tourney game at Hawaii that allowed UNC to have 32 regular season games.

 

[brewcity77]

Not quite right. I'll try to explain the schedule maximums as well as the UNC matter.

First, you can play either 29 games if you're not in a qualified exempt tourney... or you can play 27 games, plus a qualified exempt tourney. This tourney could be 2, 3 or 4 games. The rules have nothing to do, directly, with nonconference games.

In MU's case, where they have 18 conference games, they can either play up to 11 nonconference games and not participate in a qualified exempt tourney... OR the norm.. which is play up to 9 nonconference games, plus a qualified exempt tourney, which may be 2, 3 or 4 games.

Now, regarding UNC and their 32 game regular season (including one against a non-DI school)... their "extra" game appears to have nothing to do with the Maui tournament. Rather, they scheduled a game before it at Hawaii, a D-I member institution.

Section 17.3.5.3(f) is the "Regular-Season Contest Against Alaska/Hawaii Member" annual exemption. By rule, one regular-season game in Hawaii or Alaska versus a member institution located in that state may be excluded from the season-max number.

So, it was a non-tourney game at Hawaii that allowed UNC to have 32 regular season games.

Thanks for the clarification. So play a road game at Hawaii (which I believe is the only D1 school in either of those states) and you get an extra. Too bad MU didn't do the same this year.

Looks like Illinois did the same thing before Maui in 2012-13.

[jsglow]

Perhaps this was done as an incentive to get teams over there to play them.  I can't imagine anyone making the trip without that special circumstance.

[Skitch]

Perhaps this was done as an incentive to get teams over there to play them.  I can't imagine anyone making the trip without that special circumstance.

I'm almost certain they used to do that to get football teams to play at Hawaii. I remember UW getting an extra game during the Dayne years when they played there.

[Dawson Rental]

The only reasonable explanation I've heard is that Ewing doesn't want to go to a Nike event because if his own shoe company.

Who knows, maybe Jordan an Georgetown are on the outs.

If a conflict of interest for the coach forced a program to give up that type of opportunity, it would be time to can the coach.  For cause.  No buyout.  I guess what I'm sayin' is that I don't see that as a reasonable explanation.

[dgies9156]

What Scoop would look like if this bull$hit were pulled in year one of anyone after Crean:

What Scoop thinks of Wojo -- or anyone else for that matter -- until we win our next national championship.

[cheesey]

This is probably because Ewing has his own shoe line and he can't stomach the thought of shilling for the company that MJ built.

Or it may be the pressure Georgetown is receiving from their students

http://georgetownvoice.com/2017/01/03/university-allows-nike-contract-to-expire-while-protesters-face-student-conduct-meetings/

[StillAWarrior]

If a conflict of interest for the coach forced a program to give up that type of opportunity, it would be time to can the coach.  For cause.  No buyout.  I guess what I'm sayin' is that I don't see that as a reasonable explanation.

Yeah, I'm with you on that.  I think it was a bad move to pull out of the tournament, but I really don't think it had anything to do with the shoes.  If Ewing cared that much about not shilling for Nike, he wouldn't have taken the job at one of Nike/Jordan's flagship schools.  He knew at the time that the opportunity was much, much bigger than a shoe allegiance, and I doubt he's lost sight of that in the ensuing months.

My money is on him thinking they'd be humiliated if they played in the tournament -- and somehow not realizing that pulling out would be even more humiliating.

[StillAWarrior]

Or it may be the pressure Georgetown is receiving from their students

http://georgetownvoice.com/2017/01/03/university-allows-nike-contract-to-expire-while-protesters-face-student-conduct-meetings/

Wow...I wasn't aware of that.  Interesting.  For purely personal reasons, I hope they re-sign with Nike.

Edited to add:  After further review, I see what most people probably realized on the first reading - this agreement that expired was the licensing deal, not the sponsorship deal.

[jsglow]

Yikes.  A sit-in protest in the President's office?  I'd hand them their transcript and a bottle of water on their way out the door and off the campus.  Attending a university is not some right.  Bye.

I see that this all occurred last winter.  Anyone know where this whole contract thing stands today?

[StillAWarrior]

Yikes.  A sit-in protest in the President's office?  I'd hand them their transcript and a bottle of water on their way out the door and off the campus.  Attending a university is not some right.  Bye.

I see that this all occurred last winter.  Anyone know where this whole contract thing stands today?

I just checked their on-line store, and there appear to be a total of 10 Nike items left (and six of those are marked, "Few Left").  I'm guessing they don't have this worked out yet.

As far as I know, their sponsorship deal is still intact.

[GGGG]

Yikes.  A sit-in protest in the President's office?  I'd hand them their transcript and a bottle of water on their way out the door and off the campus.  Attending a university is not some right.  Bye.

There isn't a President in the world that would expel students for staging a sit-in.  It would be a PR nightmare and only make the situation worse.