Ranking the Big East Coaching Jobs

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/6/28/15727638/big-east-basketball-head-coaching-job-rankings

Giving Villanova the top job over Marquette? Fine

Ranking us in the bottom half? Whatever, guess it depends on your perspective.

Putting us behind Seton Hall? Now you're just acting crazy.

[brewcity77]

I love how Georgetown is #2 despite the guy saying he doesn't know anything about the facilities and how great the Verizon Center looks full (which it never is).

Honestly, we're third at worst. Better tradition than anyone outside Nova and GT, solid facilities with a new arena coming, reliable (if not Creighton level fanatical) fanbase, and plenty of financial investment. Oh...and we actually pay our coaches (unlike Butler).

[dgies9156]

These people have a very expansive view of the DePaul campus.

Or did they move the campus and not tell anyone?

[GooooMarquette]

I love how Georgetown is #2 despite the guy saying he doesn't know anything about the facilities and how great the Verizon Center looks full (which it never is).

Honestly, we're third at worst. Better tradition than anyone outside Nova and GT, solid facilities with a new arena coming, reliable (if not Creighton level fanatical) fanbase, and plenty of financial investment. Oh...and we actually pay our coaches (unlike Butler).

And he also ranks GTown high because they have a "historic past," have sent several players to the NBA and have won a National Championship.  Guess he has never heard about our Championship, and the fact that we have more players in the league right now than GTown does. 

But yeah...other than pretty much everything he says, I can see why he has GTown #2 and us #7....

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Please, putting Marquette behind Seton Hall and Creighton is a disgrace.

I don't know if its factual or not but wasn't 1970s MU leave the 3rd best decade record ever? Only behind 70s UCLA and 80s Indiana.

[MarquetteDano]

This list is awful.  I don't think the writer understands the difference between recent success and what coaches are looking for.  Not a clue.

Really other than the top 2  and the bottom 1 I don't think he ranked any other school correctly.

[DegenerateDish]

The writer of this article is a 17 year old Seton Hall fan.

Notice I did not use teal.

[WarriorFan]

Unreal...
1. Nova
2. MU
3. St.Johns
4. Butler
5. Creighton
6-9:  doesn't matter
10. DePaul

My "analysis" is based on funding, support from administration, facilities, tradition, fan base, and the perception of being a "basketball school".

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The writer of this article is a 17 year old Seton Hall fan.

Notice I did not use teal.

Holy crap you're not kidding. I knew Bleacher Report was filled with that kind of nonsense but I thought SB nation had a little higher standard.

[StillAWarrior]

Unreal...
1. Nova
2. MU
3. St.Johns
4. Butler
5. Creighton
6-9:  doesn't matter
10. DePaul

My "analysis" is based on funding, support from administration, facilities, tradition, fan base, and the perception of being a "basketball school".

I think you're much closer than the author, but there's no way that Georgetown isn't in the top three using the criteria you listed.  I'd take your list, insert Georgetown at No. 3 and leave everything else the same.  I think you could make an argument that SJU should be ahead of Georgetown (although I'd definitely disagree), but it's crazy to suggest that Butler and/or Creighton are ahead of them.  Hell, you could argue that GU belongs ahead of MU (again, I'd disagree).  Was that an oversight on your part?  Or were you drunk when you posted?   

[Galway Eagle]

Nova GTown and us

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Everybody else

[wadesworld]

1) Nova
2) Georgetown
3) Marquette
4) Xavier
5) Butler
6) St. John's
7) Creighton
8) Providence
9) Seton Hall
10) DePaul

[muwarrior69]

Holy crap you're not kidding. I knew Bleacher Report was filled with that kind of nonsense but I thought SB nation had a little higher standard.

You should apply. Much more knowledgeable than this guy. Not kidding; besides you would give them a "midwest perspective" about the Big East.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I'd put MU 3 or 4.

[StillAWarrior]

Nova GTown and us

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Everybody else

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more I start to think that there's a little bit of sentimentality causing me to put MU ahead of Georgetown.  But MU was really awesome in the 70s...that counts for something.  It's kind of difficult to decide how to factor in program success.  Obviously, championships are key.  But beyond that, how to account for MU's amazingly successful 70s?  Georgetown's awful recent past?  Butler's flash in the pan?  The fact that SJU has more wins than anyone? Etc.

Just for fun, I looked into a couple of the the more quantifiable/concrete criteria mentioned by WarriorFan.  Here's how it shakes out:

Budget ('15-'16):  GU ($11.34); MU ($11.31); Nova ($9.45); SJU ($9.17); Prov ($7.91); Creighton ($7.26); Hall ($6.26); X ($5.71); DePaul ($5.57); Butler ($4.83)

Attendance ('16):  Creighton (15941); MU (13308); X (10281); Prov (9703); GU (8879); Butler (8164); Nova (8119); Hall (7070); SJU (6944); DePaul (5513)


After a little more thought, if I had to rank them all, I'd go with:

Villanova
Georgetown
Marquette
Saint Johns
Butler
Creighton
Xavier
Seton Hall
Providence
DePaul

[brewcity77]

Butler has done well, but I don't think it's that great of a job. Tough to recruit against Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, and the other programs that focus on Indiana. Relatively small alumni and fanbase compared to the rest of the league. And as Holtmann's contract proves, they don't pay well at all.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

1) Nova
2) Georgetown
3) Marquette
4) Xavier
5) Butler
6) St. John's
7) Creighton
8) Providence
9) Seton Hall
10) DePaul

I think 4 to 6 are pretty much interchangeable but I agree with this analysis

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You should apply. Much more knowledgeable than this guy. Not kidding; besides you would give them a "midwest perspective" about the Big East.

Thought about it last night. Love writing for paint touches and I barely have time to do that but this was so bad I almost felt compelled to try and help them.

But nah. Besides,  I'm pretty sure if I write a few more articles Andrei might approve my request for dental

[GooooMarquette]

Nova GTown and us

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Everybody else

My slight variation:

Nova GTown and us


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Most everyone else


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DePaul

[StillAWarrior]

Honestly, it's a damn shame that there is a consensus that DePaul is the worse job.  Don't get me wrong...I agree that it is.  I just wish it wasn't so.  I really hope that some day they get their crap together and return to being a competitive program.

[brewcity77]

Personally...

1) Villanova
2) Marquette
3) Georgetown
4) St. John's
5) Xavier
6) Creighton
7) Providence
8) Seton Hall
9) Butler
10) DePaul

I'd say 2-4 and 6-8 are pretty interchangeable. I think we have a bit better fanbase than Georgetown (don't show up whether they're winning or losing) or St. John's (haven't been able to sustain success, lost a bit in all the lights of NYC) which edges us up, but I wouldn't really quibble with any of those three being moved about. Same for 6-8, not much separates them, though Creighton has the best fanbase despite PC and SHU having better traditions of success.

Again, I think Butler is massively overrated. I think they are excellent at identifying and hiring young coaches, and expect Jordan to do well, but until they are willing to pay comparably with the rest of the league, I expect in 3-4 years they'll be looking for another coach.

[Eldon]

I think 4 to 6 are pretty much interchangeable but I agree with this analysis

+1

I would also put Seton Hall higher than Providence if only because the Hall created history by being the victim of the biggest National Championship robbery of all time.

(I am older than 17 and I am not a Seton Hall fan)

[LAZER]

Butler has done well, but I don't think it's that great of a job. Tough to recruit against Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, and the other programs that focus on Indiana. Relatively small alumni and fanbase compared to the rest of the league. And as Holtmann's contract proves, they don't pay well at all.

Probably the most important factor in ranking jobs.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

1) Nova
2) Georgetown
3) Marquette
4) Xavier
5) Butler
6) St. John's
7) Creighton
8) Providence
9) Seton Hall
10) DePaul

I agree with this analysis. You obviously have a strong, thick neck.

[Windyplayer]

The writer of this article is a 17 year old Seton Hall fan.

Notice I did not use teal.

HAHAHA

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

The writer of this article is a 17 year old Seton Hall fan.

Notice I did not use teal.

Well there ya go.  MU hasn't been overly impressive since 2014, when the author was 14.

[Dawson Rental]

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more I start to think that there's a little bit of sentimentality causing me to put MU ahead of Georgetown.  But MU was really awesome in the 70s...that counts for something.  It's kind of difficult to decide how to factor in program success.  Obviously, championships are key.  But beyond that, how to account for MU's amazingly successful 70s?  Georgetown's awful recent past?  Butler's flash in the pan?  The fact that SJU has more wins than anyone? Etc.

Just for fun, I looked into a couple of the the more quantifiable/concrete criteria mentioned by WarriorFan.  Here's how it shakes out:

Budget ('15-'16):  GU ($11.34); MU ($11.31); Nova ($9.45); SJU ($9.17); Prov ($7.91); Creighton ($7.26); Hall ($6.26); X ($5.71); DePaul ($5.57); Butler ($4.83)

Attendance ('16):  Creighton (15941); MU (13308); X (10281); Prov (9703); GU (8879); Butler (8164); Nova (8119); Hall (7070); SJU (6944); DePaul (5513)


After a little more thought, if I had to rank them all, I'd go with:

Villanova
Georgetown
Marquette
Saint Johns
Butler
Creighton
Xavier
Seton Hall
Providence
DePaul

If more proof that Barry Collier is a genius was needed, here it is.  Lowest budget in the league, but Butler continues to pump out top coaches that other programs or the pros want whom Collier then replaces with another great coach.  How much of Butler's attractiveness as a program is related to Collier being the AD?

[vogue65]

You should apply. Much more knowledgeable than this guy. Not kidding; besides you would give them a "midwest perspective" about the Big East.

You nailed it, there is no Midwest perspective.  At heart we are an independent currently playing in the BIG EAST.  50% of the universities are EAST coast and Catholic, Al is turning over in his grave.

For now, for the $$$$$, its a good deal, long term, we shall see.   There was a time when bicycle racing and speed skating were big sports, now we have lacrosse and football.  Ten years from now some big name football programs will fold and the BE TV contract will end, in the mean time, we are playing the hand we have been dealt.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

You nailed it, there is no Midwest perspective.  At heart we are an independent currently playing in the BIG EAST.  50% of the universities are EAST coast and Catholic, Al is turning over in his grave.

For now, for the $$$$$, its a good deal, long term, we shall see.   There was a time when bicycle racing and speed skating were big sports, now we have lacrosse and football.  Ten years from now some big name football programs will fold and the BE TV contract will end, in the mean time, we are playing the hand we have been dealt.

I think Al would be happy that the Big East schools said FU to the bigger conferences and instead of settling for small, actual mid-majors, the created a basketball only conference that is top 5 year in, year out.

[Galway Eagle]

You nailed it, there is no Midwest perspective.  At heart we are an independent currently playing in the BIG EAST.  50% of the universities are EAST coast and Catholic, Al is turning over in his grave.

For now, for the $$$$$, its a good deal, long term, we shall see.   There was a time when bicycle racing and speed skating were big sports, now we have lacrosse and football.  Ten years from now some big name football programs will fold and the BE TV contract will end, in the mean time, we are playing the hand we have been dealt.

When was speed skating a big sport? That one month everybody fell in love with apollo Anton ono?

[brewcity77]

You nailed it, there is no Midwest perspective.  At heart we are an independent currently playing in the BIG EAST.  50% of the universities are EAST coast and Catholic, Al is turning over in his grave.

Was he beside himself when we were in C-USA? He was alive for that. The simple reality is independents don't exist anymore. Who was the last, NJIT? Just because the landscape has changed since the 1970s doesn't mean our forebears would be appalled.

And since Al (and Hank, and Rick, and all the old Marquette players) lived to at least see us join a conference, I don't think any of the deceased are doing donuts underground.

The idea of the college basketball independent is anachronistic. Show me a modern independent and I'll show you a failing program desperate to join a conference.

[WarriorFan]

I think you're much closer than the author, but there's no way that Georgetown isn't in the top three using the criteria you listed.  I'd take your list, insert Georgetown at No. 3 and leave everything else the same.  I think you could make an argument that SJU should be ahead of Georgetown (although I'd definitely disagree), but it's crazy to suggest that Butler and/or Creighton are ahead of them.  Hell, you could argue that GU belongs ahead of MU (again, I'd disagree).  Was that an oversight on your part?  Or were you drunk when you posted?   

Yep, you're right... I just have something against GTown and I think they have been and still are an in-bred nepotistic pool of incompetence and that's harder to recover from than one thinks.  Kudos to Pat Ewing if he can do it, but my bet is he fails but lingers a bit too long just like his predecessor.