Pitino 5 Game Ban 'ville 4 yr probation

[Newsdreams]

Will appeal
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/875372011668869120

[wadesworld]

Will appeal
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/875372011668869120

The slap on the wrist punishment is "excessive" according to Louisville's president.  You know, no way should anybody be suspended for 5 games for paying for hookers and strippers for underage kids on their recruiting trips...

[GB Warrior]

Look forward to UNC getting verbal admonishment for betraying faith in their higher education program.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Look forward to UNC getting verbal admonishment for betraying faith in their higher education program.

Looking for some other school(s) to get hammered in place of UNC.

[Newsdreams]

Looking for some other school(s) to get hammered in place of UNC.

Rutgers BC deserve death penalty me thinks

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Meanwhile, the NCAA cracks down hard on an athlete making YouTube video.

http://deadspin.com/quit-college-sports-or-quit-youtube-ncaa-threatens-ucf-1796033861?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

[79Warrior]

The slap on the wrist punishment is "excessive" according to Louisville's president.  You know, no way should anybody be suspended for 5 games for paying for hookers and strippers for underage kids on their recruiting trips...

The hookers were fine. He spent to much on meals for the recruits.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The hookers were fine. He spent to much on meals for the recruits.

The cream cheese was applied on the dancers but not on the bagels. All the difference.

[Herman Cain]

Meanwhile, the NCAA cracks down hard on an athlete making YouTube video.

http://deadspin.com/quit-college-sports-or-quit-youtube-ncaa-threatens-ucf-1796033861?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

This case is a classic example of the NCAA over regulating.

On the other hand all college athletes are expressly told this kind of activity is against the rules. All three of my kids had to sign acknowledgements that they understood this exact image use rule with their respective Athletic Departments . The rules are very clear, for example a student athlete cannot be paid to  model unless they had a prior model career and legitimate portfolio to document it.

[Earl Tatum]

To bad it's not longer. A cheater

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

If Louisville has to vacate their title, do 2013 bracket winners have to vacate their winnings?

[Jay Bee]

Mmmm, so good, so brief

[Spotcheck Billy]

Perhaps this was a practice swing by the NCAA for the UNC case.

Carol Cartwright, the chief hearing officer for the Committee on Infractions as well as the respected president emeritus at two universities,  called the string of Louisville NCAA violations “repugnant.”

““A 17-year-old prospect who engaged in oral sex and sexual intercourse with one of the prostitutes offered that he ‘really didn’t know too much about what was going on.’ Prospect 2, who was 16 years old at the time of his visit, described how the former operations director handed him a condom and sent him to a room to engage in a sex act.””

[GGGG]

Perhaps this was a practice swing by the NCAA for the UNC case.

Carol Cartwright, the chief hearing officer for the Committee on Infractions as well as the respected president emeritus at two universities,  called the string of Louisville NCAA violations “repugnant.”

““A 17-year-old prospect who engaged in oral sex and sexual intercourse with one of the prostitutes offered that he ‘really didn’t know too much about what was going on.’ Prospect 2, who was 16 years old at the time of his visit, described how the former operations director handed him a condom and sent him to a room to engage in a sex act.””

Random fact: Carol Cartwright is a Milwaukee-area native.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Perhaps this was a practice swing by the NCAA for the UNC case.

Carol Cartwright, the chief hearing officer for the Committee on Infractions as well as the respected president emeritus at two universities,  called the string of Louisville NCAA violations “repugnant.”

““A 17-year-old prospect who engaged in oral sex and sexual intercourse with one of the prostitutes offered that he ‘really didn’t know too much about what was going on.’ Prospect 2, who was 16 years old at the time of his visit, described how the former operations director handed him a condom and sent him to a room to engage in a sex act.””

Amazingly, the age of consent in Kentucky is 16. Goddamn creepy Kentuckians.

[LON]

Amazingly, the age of consent in Kentucky is 16. Goddamn creepy Kentuckians.

Something something cousin, prime breeding years, something something.

[Billy Hoyle]

The slap on the wrist punishment is "excessive" according to Louisville's president.  You know, no way should anybody be suspended for 5 games for paying for hookers and strippers for underage kids on their recruiting trips...

This is no "slap on the wrist" as much as you all want to interpret as such or not read what's in the report. 

4 years probation - significant
reduction of recruiting days and official visits (latter by 8 over a 2 year period) - quite significant
Scholarship reductions over a 4 year period - strongly significant
Possibly vacating wins over a 4 year period (including the 2012 Final Four) - very significant
paying back millions in NCAA tourney revenue - significantly significant

It also destroys Andre McGee's career with the 10 year show cause penalty.
(probably) vacating the national title - unprecedented (8 schools have vacated a Final Four appearance, most recently Memphis, but none has vacated a national title).

[GGGG]

There are three things the NCAA can do to make any punishments more severe:

1. Give show causes to head coaches based on the actions of their assistants.
2. Post-season bans for multiple years.  No credit for giving yourself one.
3. Allowing players to transfer without sitting a year in residence.

[Billy Hoyle]

There are three things the NCAA can do to make any punishments more severe:

1. Give show causes to head coaches based on the actions of their assistants.
2. Post-season bans for multiple years.  No credit for giving yourself one.
3. Allowing players to transfer without sitting a year in residence.

1 - That is done in cases where the head coach has knowledge of what the assistants are up to that led to the violation;
2 - That's been done but let's be honest, there is too much pressure from CBS to not do that;
3 - That is standard protocol in the case of a post-season band being imposed.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

3 - That is standard protocol in the case of a post-season band being imposed.

[willie warrior]

Pitino's press conference where he says that he has lost a lot of faith in the NCAA for this decision is a classic. Reminds one a bit of Claude Rains in Casablanca, "I am shocked..shocked... to learn that gambling is going on" as the casino guy hands him his winnings.

Picture Pitino after "screwing around" at Porcinis, "I am shocked...shocked...to learn that illicit sex within our exalted basketball program is going on. I never knew!"

What a gem.

[NCMUFan]

Who wants to proceed with an annual game with Louisville?

[GB Warrior]

Who wants to proceed with an annual game with Louisville?

Only if it fulfills a promise to a recruit we steal.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Pitino's press conference where he says that he has lost a lot of faith in the NCAA for this decision is a classic. Reminds one a bit of Claude Rains in Casablanca, "I am shocked..shocked... to learn that gambling is going on" as the casino guy hands him his winnings.

Picture Pitino after "screwing around" at Porcinis, "I am shocked...shocked...to learn that illicit sex within our exalted basketball program is going on. I never knew!"

What a gem.

Crean like

[brewcity77]

Amazingly, the age of consent in Kentucky is 16. Goddamn creepy Kentuckians.

Every state in the union allows minors to get married, so "Goddamn creepy Americans" would probably be more appropriate.

[rocket surgeon]

Only if it fulfills a promise to a recruit we steal.

how the heck do ya compete with a" little pick and roll" before ya even lace 'em up?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Every state in the union allows minors to get married, so "Goddamn creepy Americans" would probably be more appropriate.

I believe, though could be wrong, that minors can only marry other minors, or someone within the romeo and juliet law if the state has that. To me, two 16 years old getting married is dumb but not creepy. a 16 year old and someone in their middle ages....creepy

[Bocephys]

I believe, though could be wrong, that minors can only marry other minors, or someone within the romeo and juliet law if the state has that. To me, two 16 years old getting married is dumb but not creepy. a 16 year old and someone in their middle ages....creepy

Admittedly I've done no research other than reading this article a few weeks ago, but you would appear to be mistaken: https://nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html

[Tugg Speedman]

There are three things the NCAA can do to make any punishments more severe:

1. Give show causes to head coaches based on the actions of their assistants.
2. Post-season bans for multiple years.  No credit for giving yourself one.
3. Allowing players to transfer without sitting a year in residence.

Regarding number 2, I like what they're trying to do is punish the University but not the kids currently on the team that had nothing to do with this.

[warriorchick]

Every state in the union allows minors to get married, so "Goddamn creepy Americans" would probably be more appropriate.

As of yesterday, not in Texas, at least not without the consent of a judge:


https://www.texastribune.org/2017/06/16/abbott-signs-measure-tightens-state-law-child-brides/

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Admittedly I've done no research other than reading this article a few weeks ago, but you would appear to be mistaken: https://nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html

Ny times... Most likely not true

[bilsu]

Regarding number 2, I like what they're trying to do is punish the University but not the kids currently on the team that had nothing to do with this.

I do not have a problem punishing kids that are currently there, if the issue has drag out? How many current Louisville players signed after the issue came to light? I would guess every player currently at North Carolina has signed after North Carolina's scandal came to light and there still has not been a penalty delivered. Why should you be allowed to transfer, if you choose to go to a school that is under investigation? There should be a punishment for picking a school that is under investigation that turns into an actual violation. I would allow those players that had nothing to do with the violation, who were actually signed with the school when the violation came to light, to transfer without sitting out. However, the way these things drag out that would be a limited number of players.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Admittedly I've done no research other than reading this article a few weeks ago, but you would appear to be mistaken: https://nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html

Goddamn creepy Floridians

[GGGG]

Look forward to UNC getting verbal admonishment for betraying faith in their higher education program.

Here's why nothing has happened to UNC.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article156649234.html

[Dr. Blackheart]

Creepy Floridians

Redundant

[brewcity77]

I believe, though could be wrong, that minors can only marry other minors, or someone within the romeo and juliet law if the state has that. To me, two 16 years old getting married is dumb but not creepy. a 16 year old and someone in their middle ages....creepy

Nope, it's there to allow pervs to marry and have sex with child brides. Looks like Texas is the first to strike it down. New Jersey tried, but it was blocked, because they wanted to preserve New Jersey traditions, whatever that means. Have to ask Chris Christie, who opposed the ban on minors getting married.

[muguru]

Nope, it's there to allow pervs to marry and have sex with child brides. Looks like Texas is the first to strike it down. New Jersey tried, but it was blocked, because they wanted to preserve New Jersey traditions, whatever that means. Have to ask Chris Christie, who opposed the ban on minors getting married.

Don't we live in a society now where "love is love"?? Not saying I agree with it but, if members of the opposite sex can be in love, who's to say a 17 year old and a 40ish man can't be?? And if they are, who are we as a society to judge, right?? I mean that's what everyone seems to want now days.

[GGGG]

Don't we live in a society now where "love is love"?? Not saying I agree with it but, if members of the opposite sex can be in love, who's to say a 17 year old and a 40ish man can't be?? And if they are, who are we as a society to judge, right?? I mean that's what everyone seems to want now days.

Because one is an adult and the other isn't.

[bilsu]

Here's why nothing has happened to UNC.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article156649234.html

The NCAA declares incoming recruits ineligible, if they do not meet certain academic requirements coming out of high school. Sometimes this has to do with the kids going to an unaccredited school. The NCAA can give harse penalties, if the basketball team has a poor graduation rate. Maybe the NCAA should just say the classes do not count and adjust North Carolina's football & basketball academic progress accordingly. This might result in a penalty like Uconn got.

[GGGG]

The NCAA declares incoming recruits ineligible, if they do not meet certain academic requirements coming out of high school. Sometimes this has to do with the kids going to an unaccredited school. The NCAA can give harse penalties, if the basketball team has a poor graduation rate. Maybe the NCAA should just say the classes do not count and adjust North Carolina's football & basketball academic progress accordingly. This might result in a penalty like Uconn got.

But they don't have the authority to say the classes don't count.  That's the point.

[muguru]

Because one is an adult and the other isn't.

Just because they are an adult doesn't mean they aren't technically capable of making their own decisions. Legally they aren't, but I'll tell ya what...I feel a lot more comfortable with a 16 year old marrying a man in his 40's, then I do saying they are responsible enough to get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle which can kill someone. I'm just saying that the way society is now days..it's hypocritical to be forced to accept some things, but not others when "love is love" supposedly. Most people have issues with a 19-20 year old marrying a man in his 40's or 50's too, and yet they are legal adults. Society is completely hypocritical.

[GGGG]

Just because they are an adult doesn't mean they aren't technically capable of making their own decisions. Legally they aren't, but I'll tell ya what...I feel a lot more comfortable with a 16 year old marrying a man in his 40's, then I do saying they are responsible enough to get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle which can kill someone. I'm just saying that the way society is now days..it's hypocritical to be forced to accept some things, but not others when "love is love" supposedly. Most people have issues with a 19-20 year old marrying a man in his 40's or 50's too, and yet they are legal adults. Society is completely hypocritical.

No it is not.

If you are talking about "gay marriage," it is a completely a civil rights issue between consenting adults and the benefits they receive from marriage.  It has nothing to do with "love is love," except on Facebook posts.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Don't we live in a society now where "love is love"?? Not saying I agree with it but, if members of the opposite sex can be in love, who's to say a 17 year old and a 40ish man can't be?? And if they are, who are we as a society to judge, right?? I mean that's what everyone seems to want now days.

Two LGB individuals can consent to have sex with each other.  A child and an adult cannot. "Love is love" only applies when no one is being harmed by the love

[muguru]

Two LGB individuals can consent to have sex with each other.  A child and an adult cannot. "Love is love" only applies when no one is being harmed by the love

First of all...legally a 16 year old is not a "child", a minor yes, but not a child. Second of all, who says a 16-17 year old is harmed in any way by love from someone much older?? They can be harmed by love from a boy their age just as easily...in fact, I would argue even moreso..because boys that age have no concept whatsoever how to take care of her etc. This is a sensitive topic for me because I have a daughter...she is grown now, but back when she wasn't...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

First of all...legally a 16 year old is not a "child", a minor yes, but not a child. Second of all, who says a 16-17 year old is harmed in any way by love from someone much older?? They can be harmed by love from a boy their age just as easily...in fact, I would argue even moreso..because boys that age have no concept whatsoever how to take care of her etc. This is a sensitive topic for me because I have a daughter...she is grown now, but back when she wasn't...

Fine, a minor. A minor cannot consent to sex with an adult and thus is being harmed. The adult can have the best of intentions but they are still taking advantage of the minor. The power differential is too great and the vast majority of minors are not developed enough to make an informed decision. From a physiological standpoint, the age of consent should be even higher, in the young 20s. But culturally we expect 18 year olds to be adults so I don't seeing it raising above that.

[brewcity77]

guru, how about the 70% divorce rate for child marriages?

If you want to support legalized statutory rape, I suppose the law in 49 states is on your side, but there's no whitewashing it, it's a technicality that allows sexual assault of minors. No amount of BS from you will justify the rape of children.

And yes, 16 year olds are still children. As are 12 year olds, which are legally married off to adults in some states.