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Author Topic: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?  (Read 10435 times)

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #125 on: June 19, 2017, 01:17:40 PM »
So what if other schools have it?  How many are Wildcats or Bulldogs or Tigers?  It doesn't seem to affect Kentucky, Butler or LSU.

The way the Warrior crowd gets wrapped up in a nickname and mascot isn't much different than Wisconsin and their Bucky worship. The chant is "We Are Marquette," not "We are Warriors/Golden Eagles." None of us chose Warrior College or Golden Eagle University, we chose Marquette.

Oh, and an excellent point about "Gold." I think it was the rollout. It came out of nowhere.

Some schools have unique nicknames and they are known as much by their nicknames as they are the name of the school.

Examples are the Hoyas, the Orange, the Buckeyes, The Huskers, The Boilermakers, Demon Deacons, Long Horns, Crimson Tide, Seminoles,  Fighting Illini, Nittany Lions, Bucky/Badgers, Hoosiers, Fighting Irish, Hawkeyes, etc.  Again you know which schools these names are attached to.

There are other schools that have "generic" names that are almost non-existent.  Tops of the list are Wildcats.  That name is used by Villanova, Kentucky and Northwestern (among others).  Duke is the Blue Devils, UCLA Bruins, Auburn Tigers, etc.  Golden Eagles are definitely in this group.

I think many liked the Warrior name because MU was associated with it.  If someone asked you who you were a fan of, you could have answered "Warriors" and that would have been understood to mean MU, similar to Buckeyes today.  Golden Eagles are more in the Wildcats, a generic name we have but illicit no emotions (like Nova and Kentucky). 

Since Gold would have been a unique name n college sports, could have continued in that distinctive mode as an alternative name for the schools.   Golden Eagles will not approach this level.

Opportunity lost.

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2017, 01:28:01 PM »
What is a Gold? It is like being named The Oxygen. Lame and meaningless to the history and tradition of Marquette. Just like a Golden Eagle but at least that is worthy of personification.
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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #127 on: June 19, 2017, 01:44:31 PM »
What is a Gold? It is lked being named The Oxygen. Lame and meaningless to the history and tradition of Marquette. Just like a Golden Eagle but at least that is worthy of personification.

Could you now say the same about Badgers, Orange, Crimson Tide, Nittany Lions, etc?  What do these names have to do with the school?

My point is a unique name is preferable to a generic name.  And, yes, I would prefer "Oxygen" over Golden Eagles for this reason.

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2017, 01:53:26 PM »
Could you now say the same about Badgers, Orange, Crimson Tide, Nittany Lions, etc?  What do these names have to do with the school?

My point is a unique name is preferable to a generic name.  And, yes, I would prefer "Oxygen" over Golden Eagles for this reason.

Stanford is "The Cardinal" and their mascot is a tree on LSD. I'd say they are pretty well known as an institution despite the "generic" name.

Though perhaps "Blue and Gold" would have been better received than just "Gold."
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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #129 on: June 19, 2017, 01:55:14 PM »
Could you now say the same about Badgers, Orange, Crimson Tide, Nittany Lions, etc?  What do these names have to do with the school?

My point is a unique name is preferable to a generic name.  And, yes, I would prefer "Oxygen" over Golden Eagles for this reason.

Wisconsin is the Badger state due to the miners that were in the state. They didn't just pick a random animal.

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #130 on: June 19, 2017, 01:59:00 PM »
Could you now say the same about Badgers, Orange, Crimson Tide, Nittany Lions, etc?  What do these names have to do with the school?

My point is a unique name is preferable to a generic name.  And, yes, I would prefer "Oxygen" over Golden Eagles for this reason.

No. Those nicknames are tied to their state. Gold? Beer foam?  Please explain? 

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #131 on: June 19, 2017, 01:59:09 PM »
Stanford is "The Cardinal" and their mascot is a tree on LSD. I'd say they are pretty well known as an institution despite the "generic" name.

Though perhaps "Blue and Gold" would have been better received than just "Gold."

Stanford was the Indians until 1971 when they lead the movement as the first institution, college or pro, to move away from Native American names.

Cardinal is not a generic name, they are the only in Cardinal in college sports

(maybe generic is the wrong word... "commonly used" might be a better term for what I was getting at.)
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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #132 on: June 19, 2017, 02:02:32 PM »
Stanford is "The Cardinal" and their mascot is a tree on LSD. I'd say they are pretty well known as an institution despite the "generic" name.

Though perhaps "Blue and Gold" would have been better received than just "Gold."

agreed that would have been a better name.

Again I would prefer a unique name which can be interchangeable with "Marquette."  Golden Eagles will never be that.... for the same reason the name "Wildcats" does not make you immediately think of Kentucky... because it could also be Nova or Northwestern or many other schools.
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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #133 on: June 19, 2017, 02:08:47 PM »
Gold would make people think our mascot is a pretzel.

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #134 on: June 19, 2017, 03:59:00 PM »
Gold would make people think our mascot is a pretzel.

Or an ice cold mug of beer. What could be more appropriate for college?

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2017, 06:27:50 PM »
The irony drips heavier knowing Snopes says this claim is not true


http://www.snopes.com/snowflake-nazi-term-holocaust/

???

That Snopes article supports what I said. The derivation is from Fight Club, written by Chuck Pahlaniuk (who is gay) and the quote was from Tyler Durden, a character who was a paranoid delusion of the narrator. The term came into popular use recently from Neo-Nazis.

Did you get confused by my use of Neo-Nazis? Sorry, but I call the "Alt-Right" exactly what it is, which is contemporary fascism.

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #136 on: June 19, 2017, 09:12:30 PM »
How is challenging something you find offensive being a snowflake? I feel like a snowflake would just melt and say nothing. And the term isn't PC Warrior. Its social justice warrior. As in the most badass nickname in sports history, that fights for social justice, something we all learned to aspire to from the Jesuits at Marquette.
I am opposed to the social justice bs . It is nothing more than code words for people who can't compete  yet want the same rewards of those who are willing to take the hard work and risks of competing.


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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #137 on: June 19, 2017, 09:32:32 PM »
I am opposed to the social justice bs . It is nothing more than code words for people who can't compete  yet want the same rewards of those who are willing to take the hard work and risks of competing.

Where does intentional unprotected sex with drunk girls fall on your "social justice bs" spectrum?

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #138 on: June 19, 2017, 09:33:16 PM »
Now that we are 12 years out, anyone want to confirm or deny that the Gold was primarily TC's idea, as been rumored?

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #139 on: June 19, 2017, 11:11:17 PM »
Now that we are 12 years out, anyone want to confirm or deny that the Gold was primarily TC's idea, as been rumored?

TC came up with the idea 6 years before he was named HC of MU?

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #140 on: June 19, 2017, 11:17:47 PM »
TC came up with the idea 6 years before he was named HC of MU?

Tom Crean wasn't named the head coach of Marquette 6 years ago...

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« Reply #141 on: June 19, 2017, 11:44:56 PM »
I am opposed to the social justice bs . It is nothing more than code words for people who can't compete  yet want the same rewards of those who are willing to take the hard work and risks of competing.

So you are against the primary mission of the Jesuits.....
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #142 on: June 20, 2017, 07:44:25 AM »
TC came up with the idea 6 years before he was named HC of MU?

Correct, TC was head coach for 6 years before the Gold nickname came into existence. Smh.

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #143 on: June 20, 2017, 08:04:02 AM »
Now that we are 12 years out, anyone want to confirm or deny that the Gold was primarily TC's idea, as been rumored?

While TC was pushing for this, it was a completely out of touch BOT that led us off the cliff. I always admired that Fr. Wild manned up and admitted it was a pr disaster, however. This is a case where group think with the wrong group leads to ill-formed decisions. If Warriors wasn't ever going to be allowed, it should have ended there.

And yes, TC was there sniffing the BOT's lead...or something else.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/18/sports/ncaabasketball/at-marquette-hawks-dont-fly-and-gold-doesnt-glitter.html
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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #144 on: June 20, 2017, 08:31:10 AM »
chart of college nicknames.  Marquette Golden Eagles is on the far left between John Brown and Clarion.
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0211/4926/files/PopChartLab_ChartofCollegeSportsTeams_Zoom_407.jpg

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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #145 on: June 20, 2017, 08:47:47 AM »
chart of college nicknames.  Marquette Golden Eagles is on the far left between John Brown and Clarion.
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0211/4926/files/PopChartLab_ChartofCollegeSportsTeams_Zoom_407.jpg

Interesting, warriors would have been shared by more other schools than golden eagles.

Not saying I prefer golden eagles but the whole unique nickname argument kinda goes out the window
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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #146 on: June 20, 2017, 11:20:18 AM »
I'd say the best thing that came out of the whole Gold fiasco was the interlocking MU logo (though I'd prefer they got rid of the version with the banner saying "Marquette" across it. Too busy).

As for warriors being unique, we wouldn't even be the only school in Milwaukee with the nickname.
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Re: Why Is It Ok For Golden State To Be Warriors But Not MU?
« Reply #147 on: June 20, 2017, 11:34:12 AM »
I'd say the best thing that came out of the whole Gold fiasco was the interlocking MU logo (though I'd prefer they got rid of the version with the banner saying "Marquette" across it. Too busy).

As for warriors being unique, we wouldn't even be the only school in Milwaukee with the nickname.

On my daily commute, I go past two different high schools that have the Warrior nickname.
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Have some patience, FFS.

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« Reply #148 on: June 20, 2017, 11:38:46 AM »
I don't think many have claimed that "Warriors" was unique.  But it was part of Marquette's heritage.

I think the complaint is that Golden Eagles as a replacement is just a generic nickname without any connection to the University. At least "Hilltoppers" has a tradition behind it.  And "Gold" does too in a more indirect way.

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« Reply #149 on: June 20, 2017, 01:20:50 PM »
I don't think many have claimed that "Warriors" was unique.  But it was part of Marquette's heritage.

I think the complaint is that Golden Eagles as a replacement is just a generic nickname without any connection to the University. At least "Hilltoppers" has a tradition behind it.  And "Gold" does too in a more indirect way.

Agree completely.