Chones

[jsglow]

I don't think McNeal's should be retired - certainly not before Chones.  But if Chones is retired, you might as well put McNeal's name up there.

I agree with Sultan. Larry was a critical element in that early 70s success but not nearly the player Jim was.

[GGGG]

I agree with Sultan. Larry was a critical element in that early 70s success but not nearly the player Jim was.

Jerel McNeal

[4everwarriors]

Senior moments are a bitch, ai na?

[🏀]

Chones, nor McNeal, will get retired unless we get another retirement happy coach in office.

[nyg]

Yes, Larry McNeil wore number 31 and I have always said was the most under appreciated Warrior. 

[Goose]

Larry McNeil was a very, very nice player, but nowhere near the player of Chones, Luke or Bo. Jarel McNeal was a nice player and a long list of guards he does not come close to matching.

[rocket surgeon]

    i may have forgotten a lot of things over time, but the jimmy chones thing was not one of them. i was 8 years old and i remember crying when he left MU.  i cried again when i heard how al gave him his blessings.  al put his coaching aspirations aside to give this guy and his family a chance to live a better life.  al's stuff would, as we all know, would come.

     how powerful is that?  do the right thing...and then do the next right thing...good things will happen.  with posts such as these keeping the jimmy chones legacy alive, who needs a jersey hanging from the beams.  talking about him almost 50 years later is a testament to his greatness

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think the thing holding Chones back from being retired is postseason accomplishments. He only played in one NCAA tournament where he won one game, lost the next, and then won the consolation game afterwards. I think there is no doubt the Chones is easily one of the top 5, probably top 3, Warriors to ever play basketball. But does his postseason record warrant a number retirement? Like somebody else said, would Wade's number have been retired if he went pro before the Final Four run? But at the same time, do you really want to punish a guy for making the decision to help his family? Especially after Al himself encouraged him to go? Glad I'm not in charge of these decisions.

I don't think McNeal's should be retired - certainly not before Chones.  But if Chones is retired, you might as well put McNeal's name up there.

I have wondered if they do decide to retire McNeal's (don't think they will) if they just go ahead and put Chones up there, or vice versa.

[GGGG]

I think the thing holding Chones back from being retired is postseason accomplishments. He only played in one NCAA tournament where he won one game, lost the next, and then won the consolation game afterwards. I think there is no doubt the Chones is easily one of the top 5, probably top 3, Warriors to ever play basketball. But does his postseason record warrant a number retirement?

Chones post season accomplishments are the same as Doc Rivers'.

[Galway Eagle]

Chones post season accomplishments are the same as Doc Rivers'.

Whose jersey shouldn't be retired...

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

NM

[jsglow]

Larry McNeil was a very, very nice player, but nowhere near the player of Chones, Luke or Bo. Jarel McNeal was a nice player and a long list of guards he does not come close to matching.

Goose has it right.  Now what I don't have a good handle on out of memory is Tatum vs. McNeil.  I think my lean would be Earl.

So with all this discussion, I think I feel pretty strongly that Chones is the most banner worthy Warrior that doesn't currently have one.  If one of the scoop pups start talking about Jerel or even Jimmy, I'd say 'get in line'.  Now I will say that 4 years and a degree is worth something in the pecking order.  Jim's situation was quite unique.

[jsglow]

Whose jersey shouldn't be retired...

Maybe.  But you must recall there was a time when many believed the era of Marquette basketball was officially over.  And you must admit that he is perhaps our greatest national ambassador.  Glenn is the epitome of what we'd like every #mubb alum to aspire to, both on and off the court.

[The Lens]

Should Earl Tatum be retired?  I have no feel for him.  I've heard all about Lucas / Chones / Dean + Bo & Butch but Tatum is in a the middle of those guys and his name didn't resonate until TC retired him.

[jsglow]

Should Earl Tatum be retired?  I have no feel for him.  I've heard all about Lucas / Chones / Dean + Bo & Butch but Tatum is in a the middle of those guys and his name didn't resonate until TC retired him.

Idk Lens.  He was a helluva player. 

Better than MU's decision to retire #11 over the moon mission.  (Can we undo that?  Look, I love space as much as anyone but cripes. )

[GGGG]

Whose jersey shouldn't be retired...

I think it should be.

[Lennys Tap]

Larry McNeil was a very, very nice player, but nowhere near the player of Chones, Luke or Bo. Jarel McNeal was a nice player and a long list of guards he does not come close to matching.

Right on both counts.

[Lennys Tap]

Jim Chones played 51 games for Marquette. We won 50 of them, and were robbed by the refs in the one we lost. Jerel McNeal is not in his league. Neither was Larry McNeill. As a college player, neither was Doc Rivers.

Al called Earl Tatum "the black Jerry West", and yes, Lens, he was that good. They used to have a "made for TV" one on one tournament for NBA players back in the day. Earl won the thing one year.

[Earl Tatum]

I don't expect many people to remember another No. 15. Had a career
total of 1309 pts and 978 rebounds in 3 seasons and scored 37 points
in MU's first NCAA Tourney Game. His Name is Terry Rand, 6-9 center.
1954-55 team was 24-3 and had a 22 game winning streak. He was third
team All-America. Averaged 20.3 and 13.1 rebounds in 1955-56. Was
from Green Bay East. Bill Russell called him the best college center he
played against when MU lost to San Francisco by 7. He should be
recognized. Another is 34 Travis Diener and 35 Damon Key.

[4everwarriors]

McNeal can't carry Chones' jockstrap. I'm in da retire #22 for the stud from Racine.

[Nukem2]

McNeal can't carry Chones' jockstrap. I'm in da retire #22 for the stud from Racine.

i would retire his jersey as well.  Al kind of steered Jimmy's decision.

[dgies9156]

With the possible exception of DWade, Jim Chones was the best ever. All you have to do is look at what happened on the Saturday after he left, We were like 21-0 before he left. The Saturday night after a still very good Marquette team played Detroit and lost 70-49. First loss of the season.

I was devastated by his turning pro but as I understood why, I gained a greater respect for what Marquette is about. I agree with glow -- had he stayed the battle between UCLA and Marquette would have been epic. Everything about the game that never was would have been on par with Bird and Magic of n 1979.

Chones left because he had a family to feed and care for. If we really are men and women for their others, we celebrate Jim Chones.

[jsglow]

I don't expect many people to remember another No. 15. Had a career
total of 1309 pts and 978 rebounds in 3 seasons and scored 37 points
in MU's first NCAA Tourney Game. His Name is Terry Rand, 6-9 center.
1954-55 team was 24-3 and had a 22 game winning streak. He was third
team All-America. Averaged 20.3 and 13.1 rebounds in 1955-56. Was
from Green Bay East. Bill Russell called him the best college center he
played against when MU lost to San Francisco by 7. He should be
recognized. Another is 34 Travis Diener and 35 Damon Key.

My dad said Rand was great.  He was also a huge fan of the Wittberger brothers.  I have to assume they were playing in the Arena by the mid 50s.

[rocket surgeon]

Should Earl Tatum be retired?  I have no feel for him.  I've heard all about Lucas / Chones / Dean + Bo & Butch but Tatum is in a the middle of those guys and his name didn't resonate until TC retired him.

earl tatum's number is retired-#43

Retired numbers[edit]
The following numbers have been retired by Marquette:

Retired Players and Coaches

Dwyane
Wade
3
2001-03   
Apollo 11
Crew
11   
Dean
Meminger
14
1968-71   
Butch
Lee
15
1974-78   
Maurice
Lucas
20
1972-74   
George
Thompson
24
1966-69

Doc
Rivers
31
1980-83   
Bo
Ellis
31
1973-77   
Bob
Weingart
38
Trainer   
Earl
Tatum
43
1972-76   
Don
Kojis
44
1958-61   
Al
McGuire
71
Head Coach
                   sorry-i read your post wrong.  i thought you were asking if it was retired-carry on

[dgies9156]

Should Earl Tatum be retired?  I have no feel for him.  I've heard all about Lucas / Chones / Dean + Bo & Butch but Tatum is in a the middle of those guys and his name didn't resonate until TC retired him.

No feel for Tatum. That's like having no feel for Jimmy Butler.

The man was incredible. One guy I wished left with an NCAA title.