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WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« on: May 22, 2017, 09:44:55 AM »
35 minute conversation with Bill Scholl.  I haven't listened yet.

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Re: WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2017, 10:04:40 AM »
I listen to it boardcast on the radio on Sunday. Glad there is a podcast for others.
Great listen on all MU sports. Dollars and cents and pre-Buzz.
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Re: WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2017, 10:17:47 AM »
Interesting comments regarding adding sports.  While nothing is close to happening, they apparently have had conversations about Men's Volleyball paired with Women's Golf.  Said we could be a power in volleyball almost immediately.

No football.  No baseball.

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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 10:39:16 AM »
Interesting comments regarding adding sports.  While nothing is close to happening, they apparently have had conversations about Men's Volleyball paired with Women's Golf.  Said we could be a power in volleyball almost immediately.

No football.  No baseball.

I think anytime you offer the only D1 sport in the state, you have a good chance of competing.  Personally, I think that's why UW football is so good.  No instate D1 competition. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2017, 11:09:07 AM »
I think anytime you offer the only D1 sport in the state, you have a good chance of competing.  Personally, I think that's why UW football is so good.  No instate D1 competition.

Ehh.  There's very limited D1 talent in men's volleyball in Wisconsin.  And for those that are D1 caliber it's very enticing to have the warm weather and nice beaches of Southern California calling your name, not to mention the prestige that many of those Southern California programs carry with them.  Plus the fact that you only have 4.5 scholarships to divide amongst your entire roster and Marquette's tuition would probably work against them.  Even for a kid who is out of state, state schools can get them in state tuition and that alone is like a half scholarship.

If Marquette wanted to build a competitive men's volleyball program, however, now would be the time.  The Midwest has produced the last 4 NCAA champions and 5 of the last 7.  Prior to the last 7 years no Midwestern team had (legally...Lewis won the championship in 2003 but vacated the title due to using ineligible players) ever won an NCAA championship.  For the first time top level players from Southern California have been packing up their bags and heading northeast to the likes of Loyola, Lewis, and Ohio State and realizing that there's more to volleyball than So Cal.  Will that continue?  We'll see.  Part of the draw was that you can either stay out west and be in a battle every night with teams that all have top talent, or come to the Midwest, dominate your conference, and just have to win 2 matches to win an NCAA Title.  Now the MPSF is splitting up into 2 conferences (MPSF and Mountain West), so one of the 2 at large bids will (presumably) go away and it will guarantee at least 2 bids stay out west.  Chances are the one remaining at large goes to the top team from the MPSF or Mountain West, leaving the MIVA back at 1 bid for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2017, 12:31:32 PM »
Ehh.  There's very limited D1 talent in men's volleyball in Wisconsin.  And for those that are D1 caliber it's very enticing to have the warm weather and nice beaches of Southern California calling your name, not to mention the prestige that many of those Southern California programs carry with them.  Plus the fact that you only have 4.5 scholarships to divide amongst your entire roster and Marquette's tuition would probably work against them.  Even for a kid who is out of state, state schools can get them in state tuition and that alone is like a half scholarship.

If Marquette wanted to build a competitive men's volleyball program, however, now would be the time.  The Midwest has produced the last 4 NCAA champions and 5 of the last 7.  Prior to the last 7 years no Midwestern team had (legally...Lewis won the championship in 2003 but vacated the title due to using ineligible players) ever won an NCAA championship.  For the first time top level players from Southern California have been packing up their bags and heading northeast to the likes of Loyola, Lewis, and Ohio State and realizing that there's more to volleyball than So Cal.  Will that continue?  We'll see.  Part of the draw was that you can either stay out west and be in a battle every night with teams that all have top talent, or come to the Midwest, dominate your conference, and just have to win 2 matches to win an NCAA Title.  Now the MPSF is splitting up into 2 conferences (MPSF and Mountain West), so one of the 2 at large bids will (presumably) go away and it will guarantee at least 2 bids stay out west.  Chances are the one remaining at large goes to the top team from the MPSF or Mountain West, leaving the MIVA back at 1 bid for the foreseeable future.

I just looked up Top 25 US HS Volleyball rankings...WOW, California dominates. 
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Re: WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2017, 01:05:50 PM »
The BE doesn't have men's volleyball.  We'd dominate.

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Re: WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2017, 01:24:02 PM »
The BE doesn't have men's volleyball.  We'd dominate.

Finishing in last every year would eventually impact attendance and recruiting.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2017, 01:41:28 PM »
Ehh.  There's very limited D1 talent in men's volleyball in Wisconsin.  And for those that are D1 caliber it's very enticing to have the warm weather and nice beaches of Southern California calling your name, not to mention the prestige that many of those Southern California programs carry with them.  Plus the fact that you only have 4.5 scholarships to divide amongst your entire roster and Marquette's tuition would probably work against them.  Even for a kid who is out of state, state schools can get them in state tuition and that alone is like a half scholarship.

If Marquette wanted to build a competitive men's volleyball program, however, now would be the time.  The Midwest has produced the last 4 NCAA champions and 5 of the last 7.  Prior to the last 7 years no Midwestern team had (legally...Lewis won the championship in 2003 but vacated the title due to using ineligible players) ever won an NCAA championship.  For the first time top level players from Southern California have been packing up their bags and heading northeast to the likes of Loyola, Lewis, and Ohio State and realizing that there's more to volleyball than So Cal.  Will that continue?  We'll see.  Part of the draw was that you can either stay out west and be in a battle every night with teams that all have top talent, or come to the Midwest, dominate your conference, and just have to win 2 matches to win an NCAA Title.  Now the MPSF is splitting up into 2 conferences (MPSF and Mountain West), so one of the 2 at large bids will (presumably) go away and it will guarantee at least 2 bids stay out west.  Chances are the one remaining at large goes to the top team from the MPSF or Mountain West, leaving the MIVA back at 1 bid for the foreseeable future.

as a parent of a HS and club Volleyball son, I'll disagree on the talent and agree on the timing.
as far as club team (not HS where team talent is water-down) rankings are concerned, WI club teams enjoy a more than respectable national ranking in boys 12-18 year old age groups:
18 years- 18th best ranked US team is from Milwaukee
17- 10th best from Milwaukee
16- #1 rated from Milwaukee
15- 15th and 16th from Milwaukee
14- 5th from Milwaukee
13- 3rd and 20th from Milwaukee
12- 11th from Milwaukee

that doesn't figure in other areas of the state or the even more generously ranked areas of Northern IL, a long time base of MU students.

if you're going HS alone, then sure-  VB at the men's level is nowhere near as popular here as in sunny CA- but there's a great deal of talent locally.

and I do agree that the timing is good to introduce mens VB if it's on the table.
talking to my son's coach (a former Michigan St. player), he laments the fact that women's VB has grown and realized recognition that men's is just starting to get and that local players stack up extremely well with national talent- they just don't have many places to play collegiately for a scholarship.
It would put MU ahead of the curve, no doubt in my mind.


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Re: WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2017, 03:02:46 PM »
Wade, on the outside chance we did add volleyball with 99% certainty we'd be in the MIVA, right?

For those of you not familiar with men's volleyball, just know that MU would be hard pressed to make a NCAA tourney for at least a decade.

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2017, 03:43:34 PM »
Wade, on the outside chance we did add volleyball with 99% certainty we'd be in the MIVA, right?

For those of you not familiar with men's volleyball, just know that MU would be hard pressed to make a NCAA tourney for at least a decade.

Kind of like the Lacrosse program?
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Re: WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2017, 04:37:55 PM »
Ehh.  There's very limited D1 talent in men's volleyball lacrosse in Wisconsin.  And for those that are D1 caliber it's very enticing to have the warm weather and nice beaches of Southern California snobbery of the East Coast calling your name, not to mention the prestige that many of those Southern California East Coast programs carry with them.  Plus the fact that you only have 4.5 scholarships to divide amongst your entire roster and Marquette's tuition would probably work against them.  Even for a kid who is out of state, state schools can get them in state tuition and that alone is like a half scholarship.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2017, 04:41:45 PM »
Volleyball is a completely different animal. Only having six guys on a court versus however many play during a lacrosse game really leaves you little room for error.

Especially since if one guy has s bad game you're entire system can be completely off.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2017, 05:02:18 PM »
as a parent of a HS and club Volleyball son, I'll disagree on the talent and agree on the timing.
as far as club team (not HS where team talent is water-down) rankings are concerned, WI club teams enjoy a more than respectable national ranking in boys 12-18 year old age groups:
18 years- 18th best ranked US team is from Milwaukee
17- 10th best from Milwaukee
16- #1 rated from Milwaukee
15- 15th and 16th from Milwaukee
14- 5th from Milwaukee
13- 3rd and 20th from Milwaukee
12- 11th from Milwaukee

that doesn't figure in other areas of the state or the even more generously ranked areas of Northern IL, a long time base of MU students.

if you're going HS alone, then sure-  VB at the men's level is nowhere near as popular here as in sunny CA- but there's a great deal of talent locally.

and I do agree that the timing is good to introduce mens VB if it's on the table.
talking to my son's coach (a former Michigan St. player), he laments the fact that women's VB has grown and realized recognition that men's is just starting to get and that local players stack up extremely well with national talent- they just don't have many places to play collegiately for a scholarship.
It would put MU ahead of the curve, no doubt in my mind.

I really don't mean to sound like a pompous ass and I know I will. But I have had some experience in both high school and club volleyball as both a coach and a player. I was a coach with the West Allis Lightning 16s team in 2010 that won the National Championship and ultimately won it again at 18s (I was not coaching them anymore at that point) and sent 6 players to D1/2 volleyball. I have also had 2 other top 5 (Gold Division) finishes and 1 other top 10 finish.

I would like to know where are you getting your club rankings from. The 18s age group has nobody remotely close to #1 in the country, let alone the top 20 from Wisconsin. 17s has a solid but inconsistent team (and also has my youngest brother on it). 16s has a very strong team that is probably a top 5 team, but not #1 (Balboa Bay). I don't know about the younger age groups so I can't say for sure. But there aren't any boys club rankings out there during the season.

Unfortunately over the past several years every coach that I consider to be a really good coach has decided to no longer coach club (I certainly do not consider myself in that group, but Eric Sullivan, Kevin Gemignani, Will Hall, and Nick Puetzer are in that group). Only Sully and Puetzer still coach high school, and they're both at MUHS. Sadly the focus on fundamentals has gone downhill and the overall boy's volleyball product has gone with it in Wisconsin. Not every year will be like the class of 2012 as they are literally the only group that has won a National Title at 15s or older from Wisconsin (so higher net/high school age), but as a whole it's just not as strong as it was. And to be fair, when I was playing it was nowhere near as good as it got to be after I went off to college.  When we were coaching at Lightning the Stanford coaches literally told us that they don't even look at any Midwest players outside of middle blockers other than from our club because the fundamentals just aren't there.  To be a middle you just have to be big and athletic and they can coach you up once in college, but to be on a pin or a setter or libero you need to be fundamental to succeed in college.  I was blessed to be surrounded by incredibly talented and dedicated athletes and to have amazing dedication from our club directors in getting GMS clinics as part of our program and having the highest level college coaches come out and teach us the most important aspects of volleyball.  Unfortunately Lightning is no more.
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Re: WTMJ conversations - Bill Scholl
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2017, 05:06:25 PM »
Wade, on the outside chance we did add volleyball with 99% certainty we'd be in the MIVA, right?

For those of you not familiar with men's volleyball, just know that MU would be hard pressed to make a NCAA tourney for at least a decade.

Yes it would be in the MIVA.  I believe Grand Canyon was at one point an independent and I'm sure throughout the history of NCAA volleyball there have been others that have been independent, but MU would be part of the MIVA, especially with GCU leaving the MIVA.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2017, 05:10:15 PM »
AES updates rankings weekly. 
I've seen some of the PR teams play and they are phenomenal at the club level... better than most all CA teams we've seen. 
Sports Performance is also a monster at nearly all levels- Aurora IL based as you surely know and features players in the region that would surely be on a MU watch list. 

I don't take your response as pompous- getting perspective from someone closer to the subject more than most is valuable. 

My point is that there is a good deal of talent and clubs ranked highly enough to reflect a potential local pool to draw from, especially if you include IL. 




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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2017, 05:17:32 PM »
AES updates rankings weekly. 
I've seen some of the PR teams play and they are phenomenal at the club level... better than most all CA teams we've seen. 
Sports Performance is also a monster at nearly all levels- Aurora IL based as you surely know and features players in the region that would surely be on a MU watch list. 

I don't take your response as pompous- getting perspective from someone closer to the subject more than most is valuable. 

My point is that there is a good deal of talent and clubs ranked highly enough to reflect a potential local pool to draw from, especially if you include IL.

There is definitely some talent in the area no doubt.  But if you really want to compete with even the top Midwest teams you're going to have to pull kids from CA and/or foreign players.

I would not recommend putting much, if any, stock into the AES rankings, unless the system has drastically changed over the last couple of years.  When I was coaching literally nobody spent the time submitting their results to AES.  You would see teams who wouldn't even come close to qualifying for nationals being ranked in the top 5 on their rankings.  It may have changed recently though.

PR teams are usually great through 15s, very competitive at 16s, and then drop off at 17s and 18s.  For whatever reason, they develop physically very early and then end up being very short with decent athleticism later on.  Usually at 17s and 18s they'll combine various teams to have one team at least compete, but it's rare that at 17s and 18s they're a true contender.  They certainly have more "flair."  Lots of swinging a thousand miles an hour and whooping it up when it works out.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2017, 08:54:20 PM »
Scholl was at ball state.  Midwestern school Top 5 program in the country.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2017, 10:45:52 PM »
Scholl was at ball state.  Midwestern school Top 5 program in the country.

Top 5 program in the country in what sport?
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2017, 10:54:11 PM »
Sand volleyball being added?

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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2017, 11:11:36 PM »
I really don't mean to sound like a pompous ass and I know I will. But I have had some experience in both high school and club volleyball as both a coach and a player. I was a coach with the West Allis Lightning 16s team in 2010 that won the National Championship and ultimately won it again at 18s (I was not coaching them anymore at that point) and sent 6 players to D1/2 volleyball. I have also had 2 other top 5 (Gold Division) finishes and 1 other top 10 finish.

I would like to know where are you getting your club rankings from. The 18s age group has nobody remotely close to #1 in the country, let alone the top 20 from Wisconsin. 17s has a solid but inconsistent team (and also has my youngest brother on it). 16s has a very strong team that is probably a top 5 team, but not #1 (Balboa Bay). I don't know about the younger age groups so I can't say for sure. But there aren't any boys club rankings out there during the season.

Unfortunately over the past several years every coach that I consider to be a really good coach has decided to no longer coach club (I certainly do not consider myself in that group, but Eric Sullivan, Kevin Gemignani, Will Hall, and Nick Puetzer are in that group). Only Sully and Puetzer still coach high school, and they're both at MUHS. Sadly the focus on fundamentals has gone downhill and the overall boy's volleyball product has gone with it in Wisconsin. Not every year will be like the class of 2012 as they are literally the only group that has won a National Title at 15s or older from Wisconsin (so higher net/high school age), but as a whole it's just not as strong as it was. And to be fair, when I was playing it was nowhere near as good as it got to be after I went off to college.  When we were coaching at Lightning the Stanford coaches literally told us that they don't even look at any Midwest players outside of middle blockers other than from our club because the fundamentals just aren't there.  To be a middle you just have to be big and athletic and they can coach you up once in college, but to be on a pin or a setter or libero you need to be fundamental to succeed in college.  I was blessed to be surrounded by incredibly talented and dedicated athletes and to have amazing dedication from our club directors in getting GMS clinics as part of our program and having the highest level college coaches come out and teach us the most important aspects of volleyball.  Unfortunately Lightning is no more.
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2017, 11:17:10 PM »
When I was in high school, Marquette High consistently won State, and produced several all-Americans.  I think men's volleyball would make sense for Marquette.  Also, womens golf makes sense as Wisconsin produces some great golf talent. 

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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2017, 11:34:30 PM »
If we add Mens Volleyball , I will make it a point to lobby for you to be our first head coach.

Thanks, but for the good of the program I'd pass. Many better candidates would be available.
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2017, 01:13:23 AM »
WTMJ angling for the broadcast rights?

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2017, 07:44:44 AM »
WTMJ angling for the broadcast rights?
Most likely not. Bucks games would get in the way. That is why the Badgers football/basketball is no longer on WTMJ.

 

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