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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2017, 01:56:40 PM »
Every year, someone is complaining about the OOC. I'll agree I',m surprised that there are as many complaints about toughness as there are but, well..... what would the off-season be if we could not complain about scheduling and recruiting.

Here's a simple rule: If we live up to our potential. If we play smart and with poise. If we play as a team and with the intensity we know we can, then we'll be fine.

We have depth this year. We also have some braun which we really didn't have last year. I'm also a believer that Mr. Cheatham will be a motivated force in 2017-2018 and our weapons will be everywhere.

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #76 on: May 23, 2017, 02:35:14 PM »
^^^ tell me more about this depth you speak of...
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2017, 02:54:15 PM »
I sure would like to get back to the days where every season doesn't start with "if this" or "if that". Let's get back to the days where you know they are in the tourney before the season starts(barring something disastrous), they are just playing for seeding. It wasn't that long ago when we as MU fans had that luxury.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2017, 03:00:53 PM »
I sure would like to get back to the days where every season doesn't start with "if this" or "if that". Let's get back to the days where you know they are in the tourney before the season starts(barring something disastrous), they are just playing for seeding. It wasn't that long ago when we as MU fans had that luxury.

I don't know that we ever consistently had that leisure. There were some years during the Buzz era where it definitely wasn't a guarantee at the beginning of the season.

It's still early, but I'm feeling very good about the 18-19 season at this point.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #79 on: May 23, 2017, 03:12:10 PM »
I sure would like to get back to the days where every season doesn't start with "if this" or "if that". Let's get back to the days where you know they are in the tourney before the season starts(barring something disastrous), they are just playing for seeding. It wasn't that long ago when we as MU fans had that luxury.

The last time it felt like a guarantee was 2013-14. Oops.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #80 on: May 23, 2017, 03:14:55 PM »
The last time it felt like a guarantee was 2013-14. Oops.
Don't know that 13-14 was a "guarantee" going in as we knew the backcourt would be a problem with Vander's departure.

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2017, 03:37:29 PM »
Not that the AP poll is any "guarantee" of anything either, but since we joined the BE we've only had one season where we went wire-to-wire being ranked -- 2011-2012.

Came close in both 06-07 and 07-08 (missed one week in each season).

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2017, 03:40:28 PM »
"The good ole days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #83 on: May 23, 2017, 04:37:34 PM »
"The good ole days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."

(Sorry for quoting Billy Joel.)

You may be right.

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2017, 04:43:28 PM »
The last time it felt like a guarantee was 2013-14. Oops.

But for that one oops, how many years did we have prior to that where the "guarantee" was actually something of value?  To me, it sure felt like that as early as '06-07 (at least once Dominic withdrew from the draft - or decided not to declare, I forget which). 

Sure, there were a few shaky years of Team Bubble Watch mixed in there where there were more questions than answers the first week of March, but when the season started, perhaps it wasn't a guarantee so much as it was comfort or confidence or the mere sentiment that - stupid metaphor warning - the only way MU was missing the dance was by playing itself out of contention - despite what Chicos and his 5-year plan had to say.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #85 on: May 23, 2017, 04:50:17 PM »
But for that one oops, how many years did we have prior to that where the "guarantee" was actually something of value?  To me, it sure felt like that as early as '06-07 (at least once Dominic withdrew from the draft - or decided not to declare, I forget which). 

Sure, there were a few shaky years of Team Bubble Watch mixed in there where there were more questions than answers the first week of March, but when the season started, perhaps it wasn't a guarantee so much as it was comfort or confidence or the mere sentiment that - stupid metaphor warning - the only way MU was missing the dance was by playing itself out of contention - despite what Chicos and his 5-year plan had to say.

Exactly Benny, and I know many here want to say they were "team bubble watch" Under Buzz. Maybe in some people's opinions they were a few years, but I never really felt like they weren't getting in at the beginning of a season under Buzz. Now, they may have made it a little dicey a few times, but again, I never really fdelt like they were in jeopardy of missing. You could just sense(at least i could), that they would right the ship and get in anyway...and that's exactly what they did. Of course '13-'14 was an unmitigated disaster.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2017, 04:54:46 PM »
I don't know that we ever consistently had that leisure. There were some years during the Buzz era where it definitely wasn't a guarantee at the beginning of the season.

It's still early, but I'm feeling very good about the 18-19 season at this point.

Sure '18-'19..but it would have been nice to have that feeling last year, and sure as hell would be nice to have that feeling this year as well...
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #87 on: May 23, 2017, 05:01:48 PM »
I have that feeling.  I expect MU to be in the tourney.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #88 on: May 23, 2017, 05:28:32 PM »
After 2 misses, 05-06 seemed like a long shot to start. A lot rested on freshmen, and no one expected that strong of a Big East start.

Felt pretty locked in until 09-10, when I don't think anyone felt very confident until February after our 11-8 (2-5) start.

10-11 was another question with no significant non-con wins and never more than 2 games over .500 in conference play en route to 9-9.

I felt confident every year until 14-15. Granted, we knew Vander left in 13-14, but anyone that didn't firmly expect a tourney bid is a liar. We were ranked to start the season and consensus favorites in the league even without Blue.

I want to get back there, but like last year, I'm hoping for but not expecting a bid in the upcoming season. I felt far more confident in each of Buzz's last three years.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #89 on: May 23, 2017, 05:35:53 PM »
I have that feeling.  I expect MU to be in the tourney.

Yeah, I'm on this side of the fence too.  Seems like muguru is not.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2017, 06:21:52 PM »
Yeah, I'm on this side of the fence too.  Seems like muguru is not.

I just don't see enough experience..and I'm not sold Haniff will be any better than he was last year, and honestly, his development, MIGHT be the key. I'm also not as sold(yet) on this Freshman class as some are...I see a bunch of "guys" but no one like a Markus, or a go to guy. IF they do get in, it won't be by much...again. Like i said abive, I'd like to get back to the not sweating selection Sundays...for a really long time.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2017, 06:23:29 PM »
Any y'all have a peaceful, easy feelin', hey?
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #92 on: May 23, 2017, 06:37:32 PM »
I just don't see enough experience..and I'm not sold Haniff will be any better than he was last year, and honestly, his development, MIGHT be the key. I'm also not as sold(yet) on this Freshman class as some are...I see a bunch of "guys" but no one like a Markus, or a go to guy. IF they do get in, it won't be by much...again. Like i said abive, I'd like to get back to the not sweating selection Sundays...for a really long time.

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #93 on: May 23, 2017, 07:18:07 PM »
I just don't see enough experience..and I'm not sold Haniff will be any better than he was last year, and honestly, his development, MIGHT be the key. I'm also not as sold(yet) on this Freshman class as some are...I see a bunch of "guys" but no one like a Markus, or a go to guy. IF they do get in, it won't be by much...again. Like i said abive, I'd like to get back to the not sweating selection Sundays...for a really long time.
I see two lead guards with experience and ridiculous range.  I see a junior to be who had a great freshman year and will want to bounce back from a sophomore slump.  I see a miniature Steve Nova at the 3.  I see a lot of size and versatility that will sort itself out up front.     
    Sure, it is possible that the young guys develop slower than we would hope.  Injuries are always concerns.  And transfers.  But I choose to be optimistic. 
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2017, 07:20:53 PM »
I just don't see enough experience..and I'm not sold Haniff will be any better than he was last year, and honestly, his development, MIGHT be the key. I'm also not as sold(yet) on this Freshman class as some are...I see a bunch of "guys" but no one like a Markus, or a go to guy. IF they do get in, it won't be by much...again. Like i said abive, I'd like to get back to the not sweating selection Sundays...for a really long time.

Well, its seems easier for me because I’m not that versed in detailed stats, and rankings beyond the top 30.

In my simple terms, I start with trusting Wojo’s evaluation of talent.  That leads me to believe this years Big’s will contribute more than last years Bigs.  I think they will benefit immensely playing with and against Ed Morrow in practice and maybe finding out the hard work of crashing boards, Especially the freshmen Bigs.

Our core 3pt shooters are returning and maybe will finding a few more driving lanes with the help of this years Bigs.

I expect Cheatham, Sacar and Elliott to provide more 2 point scoring then we had last year.  After reading Big Daddy’s post about the coaching staff giving Greg a lot of opportunity by not recruiting his position as soon as he committed.   Really excited  to see him on the court.

Anyways, not scientific, but an accumulations of my observations s as of today
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #95 on: May 23, 2017, 10:50:25 PM »
I see two lead guards with experience and ridiculous range.  I see a junior to be who had a great freshman year and will want to bounce back from a sophomore slump.  I see a miniature Steve Nova at the 3.  I see a lot of size and versatility that will sort itself out up front.     
    Sure, it is possible that the young guys develop slower than we would hope.  Injuries are always concerns.  And transfers.  But I choose to be optimistic. 
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #96 on: May 23, 2017, 11:14:13 PM »
Where will the defense improve? Our two best offensive players are short.  Nothing wrong with that, but makes switches difficult on defense when you have the two of them playing together. 

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #97 on: May 24, 2017, 07:17:39 AM »
Where will the defense improve? Our two best offensive players are short.  Nothing wrong with that, but makes switches difficult on defense when you have the two of them playing together.

Our defense will improve in the post. First, we'll have fouls to give that simply weren't available last year.  Second, and not to dump on the departed, but our pick/roll defense will get better by definition.

One other thing.  Doesn't Hanni earn his minutes as a 'shut down'?  Of course he has to work on his right hand and his mid-range on offense but doesn't he demand playing time by shutting down the Bluiett's of the world?  I sincerely hope (and expect) that he's working his arse off this summer.

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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2017, 07:45:56 AM »
Given your track record on this board I highly doubt you've ever seen Harry Froling practice.  I'm optimistic because a (self-admittedly) overweight, freshman Froling averaged 15 minutes a game on a team that went on to become a 6 seed in the NCAA Tourney.  And when he committed I immediately went to SMU boards to gauge their reactions and wouldn't you know it, most were very disappointed he was leaving.  I saw little to no "addition by subtraction" you're referring to.
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Re: Purdue @ Marquette November 14
« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2017, 08:04:15 AM »


  Certainly Defense is always a concern, but something I noticed on another Board when they were ranking their all time best players at different position.  Almost all were very high offensive calling card players.  It was striking to me that almost all Fans Talk defense but Few Vote defense. Just an observation and trying to figure out what that means in the climate of defense debate on the Boards I visited.  Seems like when push comes to shove offense wins as far as Fans are concerned. You may want to test it on yourself.
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